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Simon
11-04-2009, 11:50 AM
Hi,

I am looking for details on a telex match held in 1974 featuring Mikhail Tal and some Australian players. The only game I have is vs William Jordan:

[Event "telex"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Mikhail Tal"]
[Black "William Jordan"]
[ECO "B33"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "59"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6
7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 Be6 9.Nc4 Rc8 10.Nd5 Bxd5 11.exd5 Ne7 12.Qd3
Nexd5 13.O-O-O Be7 14.Bxf6 Nxf6 15.Nxd6+ Qxd6 16.Qxd6 Bxd6
17.Rxd6 Ke7 18.Rd2 Rhd8 19.Bd3 Rc5 20.Re1 Rd4 21.c3 Kd6 22.Kc2
Nd5 23.Kb1 Rh4 24.Be4 Ke6 25.c4 Nb4 26.a3 Nc6 27.g3 Rg4 28.h3
Rxe4 29.Rxe4 f5 30.Rh4 1-0

Does anyone have any more details on the match, like other games scores etc. I would like to hear from anyone that was involved in the match. I have read Damskys account in his 'Chess Records' book.

Thanks

Rincewind
11-04-2009, 12:01 PM
M Tal - W Jordan, Telex Match, 1974
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6
7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 Be6 9.Nc4 Rc8 10.Nd5 Bxd5 11.exd5 Ne7 12.Qd3
Nexd5 13.O-O-O Be7 14.Bxf6 Nxf6 15.Nxd6+ Qxd6 16.Qxd6 Bxd6
17.Rxd6 Ke7 18.Rd2 Rhd8 19.Bd3 Rc5 20.Re1 Rd4 21.c3 Kd6 22.Kc2
Nd5 23.Kb1 Rh4 24.Be4 Ke6 25.c4 Nb4 26.a3 Nc6 27.g3 Rg4 28.h3
Rxe4 29.Rxe4 f5 30.Rh4

Denis_Jessop
11-04-2009, 05:40 PM
Hi,

I am looking for details on a telex match held in 1974 featuring Mikhail Tal and some Australian players. The only game I have is vs William Jordan:

[Event "telex"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Mikhail Tal"]
[Black "William Jordan"]
[ECO "B33"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "59"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6
7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 Be6 9.Nc4 Rc8 10.Nd5 Bxd5 11.exd5 Ne7 12.Qd3
Nexd5 13.O-O-O Be7 14.Bxf6 Nxf6 15.Nxd6+ Qxd6 16.Qxd6 Bxd6
17.Rxd6 Ke7 18.Rd2 Rhd8 19.Bd3 Rc5 20.Re1 Rd4 21.c3 Kd6 22.Kc2
Nd5 23.Kb1 Rh4 24.Be4 Ke6 25.c4 Nb4 26.a3 Nc6 27.g3 Rg4 28.h3
Rxe4 29.Rxe4 f5 30.Rh4 1-0

Does anyone have any more details on the match, like other games scores etc. I would like to hear from anyone that was involved in the match. I have read Damskys account in his 'Chess Records' book.

Thanks

The Australian players involved were -

Doug Hamilton
Normand Maclaurin
Max Fuller
Richard Lilly
Juan Kloostra
Noel Craske
Bill Jordan
Abraham Sztern

The scores of the games can be found on Ozbase via the ACF website as a pgn download. An easy way to locate them is to look at the chronological list.

I was involved, being the ACTCA President or Secretary, probably the former, in organising the Canberra game played by Noel Craske, then resident here. It was played in a local department store JB Young's, then a well known local store but now defunct after a take-over years ago.

The event being a telex simul the games took a long time and not all of them were finished. Noel's was one such which was adjudicated as a draw. I don't remember who did the adjudications but i think it was a Russian GM. Looking at the scores it seems that only the Kloostra, Jordan and Sztern games were played to a result, all others being adjudicated.

DJ

eclectic
11-04-2009, 05:45 PM
in his finger notes at fics ( vampyr ) the late noel craske states:

6: Tal was Aust Vs USSR 1973 - adjudicated draw (Tal was LOST!)

eclectic
11-04-2009, 06:55 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Craske, Noel Gregory"]
[Black "Tal, Mihail"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B08"]
[Annotator "Chessbase"]
[PlyCount "50"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nf3 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. h3 O-O 6. Be3 c6 7. Qd2 b5 8. Bd3
Nbd7 9. O-O e5 10. dxe5 dxe5 11. Rad1 Qe7 12. Bh6 a5 13. Bxg7 Kxg7 14. Rfe1 Re8
15. Bf1 Nc5 16. Qd6 b4 17. Nb1 Ncxe4 18. Qxe7 Rxe7 19. Bd3 Nc5 20. Rxe5 Rxe5
21. Nxe5 Be6 22. Nd2 Bxa2 23. Bc4 Bxc4 24. Ndxc4 Re8 25. Nxc6 Re2 {Adjudicated}
1/2-1/2

eclectic
11-04-2009, 07:01 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Tal, Mihail"]
[Black "Fuller, Maxwell L"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B09"]
[PlyCount "60"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 c5 6. dxc5 Qa5 7. Bd3 Qxc5 8. Qe2
O-O 9. Be3 Qa5 10. O-O Bg4 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Nbd7 13. g4 h6 14. a3 a6 15.
Rae1 b5 16. Bd2 Qc7 17. Qg3 Nb6 18. Qh4 Nc4 19. Bc1 Rac8 20. Rf2 e6 21. e5 dxe5
22. fxe5 Nxe5 23. Rxf6 Bxf6 24. Qxf6 Nxd3 25. cxd3 Qg3+ 26. Kf1 Qxh3+ 27. Kf2
Qh2+ 28. Kf1 Qg3 29. Re2 Qxg4 30. Rf2 Rc5 {Adjudicated} 0-1

eclectic
11-04-2009, 07:03 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "2"]
[White "MacLaurin, Normand"]
[Black "Tal, Mihail"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E61"]
[PlyCount "58"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. e3 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. g3 cxd4 7. exd4 d5 8. cxd5
Nxd5 9. Bg2 Nc6 10. O-O Bf5 11. Nxd5 Qxd5 12. Ne5 Qxd4 13. Nxc6 bxc6 14. Bxc6
Rab8 15. Qxd4 Bxd4 16. Re1 Rfc8 17. Ba4 e5 18. Re2 Bd3 19. Rd2 e4 20. Kg2 Rc5
21. Bb3 Rbc8 22. Rd1 Rf5 23. Rd2 Rc6 24. g4 Rf4 25. Bc2 Rcf6 26. Bxd3 exd3 27.
g5 Rxf2+ 28. Kh3 R6f3+ 29. Kh4 Rf1 {Adjudicated} 0-1

eclectic
11-04-2009, 07:06 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Tal, Mihail"]
[Black "Hamilton, Douglas Gibson"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B07"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Bg5 Bg7 5. f4 O-O 6. e5 Ng4 7. Qd2 f6 8. exf6
exf6 9. Bh4 Re8+ 10. Be2 c6 11. O-O-O d5 12. Bd3 Na6 13. h3 Nh6 14. g4 b5 15.
Nf3 b4 16. Ne2 b3 17. axb3 Rb8 18. Nc3 Qa5 19. Na4 Nb4 20. f5 Nxd3+ 21. Qxd3
Ba6 22. Qd2 Qxd2+ 23. Rxd2 gxf5 24. Nc5 Bc8 25. g5 fxg5 26. Bxg5 Nf7 27. Bf4
Rb5 28. Rg1 Kh8 29. Rdg2 Bh6 30. Bxh6 Nxh6 31. Rg7 Ra5 32. Kd2 f4 33. Rc7 Bf5
34. Rxc6 Re3 35. Ne5 Rg3 {Adjudicated} 1-0

eclectic
11-04-2009, 07:07 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Lilly, Richard"]
[Black "Tal, Mihail"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B85"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Be2 Nf6 7. O-O Be7 8.
Nb3 O-O 9. Be3 a6 10. f4 b5 11. a3 Bb7 12. Bf3 Qc7 13. Rf2 Rac8 14. Rd2 Rfd8
15. Qe2 Nd7 16. Qf2 Rb8 17. Rad1 Ba8 18. Qg3 Nb6 19. f5 Ne5 20. Bh6 Bf6 21. Be2
Qe7 22. fxe6 fxe6 23. Bf4 Nbc4 24. Bxc4 bxc4 25. Nd4 Rxb2 26. Nf3 Nf7 {
Adjudicated} 1/2-1/2

eclectic
11-04-2009, 07:09 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Tal, Mihail"]
[Black "Kloostra, Juan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E61"]
[PlyCount "57"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Bg5 c5 5. e3 O-O 6. Be2 d6 7. Nf3 h6 8. Bh4
Qa5 9. O-O cxd4 10. exd4 Bf5 11. Re1 Nc6 12. d5 Ne5 13. Nxe5 dxe5 14. Qd2 Qb6
15. Rad1 Rfe8 16. Bf3 Nd7 17. g4 e4 18. Be2 e3 19. fxe3 Bxc3 20. Qxc3 Be4 21.
Rd4 f5 22. b4 a5 23. a3 axb4 24. axb4 g5 25. Bg3 Rec8 26. gxf5 Nf6 27. c5 Bxf5
28. Bc4 Qd8 29. d6+ 1-0

eclectic
11-04-2009, 07:12 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Sztern, Abraham"]
[Black "Tal, Mihail"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B16"]
[PlyCount "61"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ gxf6 6. d4 Bg4 7. Bc4 Qc7
8. h3 Bh5 9. Be3 e6 10. Qe2 Nd7 11. g4 Bg6 12. Nh4 Be4 13. f3 Bd5 14. Bd3 b5
15. Rg1 Nb6 16. b3 Bb4+ 17. Bd2 Bxd2+ 18. Qxd2 Qd6 19. c3 O-O-O 20. O-O-O a6
21. Kb2 c5 22. Bc2 c4 23. b4 Bc6 24. f4 Nd5 25. Rgf1 Kb7 26. g5 f5 27. Nf3 h6
28. Ne5 Qc7 29. g6 fxg6 30. Nxg6 Rhg8 31. Rg1 1/2-1/2

TrueBeliever
12-04-2009, 06:51 AM
The simul was the brainchild of the late John Engelander then VCA president. It was sponsored by Mc Ewans stores with associated companies in other states. It was an organisational nightmare. All traffic was between Melbourne and Moscow with the moves being redirected from Melbourne to the other venues. As Denis said it was slow. Slow to start and when the Telex traffic thickened up during the European day it became even slower. I was ACF secretary at the time [there was no president than] and I was heavily involved in the organisation but can remember little of it.
Averbach was the arbiter and adjudicator.
The simul started midnight Moscow time
Tal send me a signed photo of himself [which I still have somewhere]
Hamilton told me afterwards that he had enjoyed it
The venue was the McEwans hardware store in Bourke Street
GNH

Denis_Jessop
12-04-2009, 01:19 PM
The simul was the brainchild of the late John Engelander then VCA president. It was sponsored by Mc Ewans stores with associated companies in other states. It was an organisational nightmare. All traffic was between Melbourne and Moscow with the moves being redirected from Melbourne to the other venues. As Denis said it was slow. Slow to start and when the Telex traffic thickened up during the European day it became even slower. I was ACF secretary at the time [there was no president than] and I was heavily involved in the organisation but can remember little of it.
Averbach was the arbiter and adjudicator.
The simul started midnight Moscow time
Tal send me a signed photo of himself [which I still have somewhere]
Hamilton told me afterwards that he had enjoyed it
The venue was the McEwans hardware store in Bourke Street
GNH


Thanks, Gerry, for the extra information - it brought back memories! I had forgotten whose idea it was but I'm not surprised to find it was John Engelander who was full of ideas and energy. He played at the StKilda CC where I also played until returning to Canberra in 1968.

DJ

Simon
15-04-2009, 01:28 PM
Hi,

Thank you all for posting such interesting information! A fascinating time I am sure, does anyone know of any of the Australian players recollections about the match?

Regards

Simon

morebeer
20-04-2009, 11:04 AM
I remember talking to Noel Craske a few years back at Elwood CC and he mentioned his game against Tal, (I had no idea Noel was such a strong player as a junior). I think he said the relay for his game was interrupted - he suggested (possibly facetiously) that it was due to his superior/winning position at the time.

Am too dim to access the game myself (plus the reader is not working on my Mac for some reason) so maybe someone who can actually play can comment.

Adamski
20-04-2009, 12:40 PM
[Event "Tal-AUS"]
[Site "telex"]
[Date "1974.05.14"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Sztern, Abraham"]
[Black "Tal, Mihail"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B16"]
[PlyCount "61"]
[EventDate "1974.05.14"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.11.15"]

1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ gxf6 6. d4 Bg4 7. Bc4 Qc7
8. h3 Bh5 9. Be3 e6 10. Qe2 Nd7 11. g4 Bg6 12. Nh4 Be4 13. f3 Bd5 14. Bd3 b5
15. Rg1 Nb6 16. b3 Bb4+ 17. Bd2 Bxd2+ 18. Qxd2 Qd6 19. c3 O-O-O 20. O-O-O a6
21. Kb2 c5 22. Bc2 c4 23. b4 Bc6 24. f4 Nd5 25. Rgf1 Kb7 26. g5 f5 27. Nf3 h6
28. Ne5 Qc7 29. g6 fxg6 30. Nxg6 Rhg8 31. Rg1 1/2-1/2Well done, Ec, in posting all those simul games. :clap:

ER
20-04-2009, 04:37 PM
This game vs the legendary Tahl was remembered with fondness and enthusiasm by Abraham "the Wizzard" Sztern during our endless nights at various spots of Bondi Beach after the Hakoah CC meetings in the early 80s!
The Gil brothers, Vas Vasilev, Michael Basic, myself and others were always an interested audience!
I hope Abraham will make an appearance here and tell us about it himself!

Ian Murray
23-04-2009, 01:29 PM
I was having a beer or three with Juan Kloostra last night. He remembers the match well - losing in 32 moves. The score shows he actually lost in 29 - never believe what a chessplayer tells you :)

He actually met Tal ten years earlier, in a lift in Amsterdam.

Basil
23-04-2009, 05:36 PM
He actually met Tal ten years earlier, in a lift in Amsterdam.
I hope Tal wasn't Kloostraphobic.

ER
23-04-2009, 06:49 PM
I hope Tal wasn't Kloostraphobic.

Classic Gunner !!!! :lol: :clap: Good to see you back in form! :)

Ian Murray
23-04-2009, 11:49 PM
I hope Tal wasn't Kloostraphobic.
Classic Post contender! As good as they get

kjenhager
24-04-2009, 12:16 AM
Classic Post contender! As good as they get
Kloos , but no cigar

ER
24-04-2009, 12:46 AM
hmm another Klooset case then??? :P

Basil
24-04-2009, 02:59 AM
Well one of you bozos have the decency to drag it across then!

Please!

Ian Murray
24-04-2009, 07:10 PM
Well one of you bozos have the decency to drag it across then!

Please!
So be it

FM_Bill
24-11-2009, 09:01 AM
I remember being told after the match Tal had 'cheated' he hadn't been using clocks. Not that it mattered but it adds to the story.

The Wizard
05-06-2010, 10:30 PM
I knew Tal was a tricky fellow. But I faintly remember him offering the draw because there was no play left. Later I received an autographed photograph with his compliments.

ER
05-06-2010, 11:42 PM
I knew Tal was a tricky fellow. But I faintly remember him offering the draw because there was no play left. Later I received an autographed photograph with his compliments.

Well Abraham, you 're not less a legend in Australia than Tal was in the USSR and the world.
Nice to see you posting here Abraham Sztern!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

FM_Bill
02-07-2010, 10:29 PM
Just had a quick look at the craske game and it does look like he was clearing winning and the adjudication as a draw looks a bit sus.

Anyone want to put the position on rybka?