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chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:13 PM
How to beat a grandmaster in chess

in queenstown classic 2009 english grandmaster jones was beaten in 15 moves

comeon everyone......


in queenstown classic 2009 english grandmaster jones was beaten in 15 moves
15 moves?

Come On Everyone...........................


Come On Everyone...........................
come on

Has anyone ever beaten a grandmaster here?????????????

no..........Nobody???????????:( :( :(

damn:(

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:27 PM
sorry :(
James came close once

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:30 PM
wow

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:32 PM
against Rogers

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:35 PM
i remember that

was it july

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:36 PM
I'm impressed...were you there?
It was the last tourny for him

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:36 PM
yep

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:38 PM
were you playing?

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:40 PM
were you playing?
yep

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:41 PM
and how did you go?

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:41 PM
it was my b/day

I cant remember

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:43 PM
:)

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:44 PM
:D :D
:)

ER
25-01-2009, 09:09 AM
I was there, there was a lovely cake and we all sang HB for Natasha ooops sorry for Tash!
I also remember that tournament because I scored my only win against her and the relevance to this thread, is that Tash will be a GM one day! :) :clap:

Igor_Goldenberg
30-01-2009, 01:07 PM
How to beat a grandmaster in chess
in queenstown classic 2009 english grandmaster jones was beaten in 15 moves

To beat a grandmaster in 15 moves:

1. Become a grandmaster with 2608 rating
2. Prepare for the game well
3. Once in a few year your grandmaster opponent might resign on move 15.

Kevin Bonham
30-01-2009, 02:21 PM
Has anyone ever beaten a grandmaster here?????????????

I have, but he was playing 30 or so other players at the time. :P

Given that chesschat has at least four GMs and several IMs in its membership there would be quite a few chesschatters who have beaten GMs.

Desmond
30-01-2009, 03:23 PM
who are the 4 GMs?

Kevin Bonham
30-01-2009, 04:24 PM
who are the 4 GMs?

Actually it may be only three. There is a poster with a very similar username to ZYZ who isn't actually ZYZ.

We definitely have:
* GM Rogers
* GM Antic (although he has only posted once)
* Another GM who is a lurker, but I know they are a GM because of their email address.

Kaitlin
31-01-2009, 10:43 AM
How to beat a grandmaster in chess?

.... wait for their clock to run out :angel:

ER
31-01-2009, 01:56 PM
GM Ian Rogers must have a few wins against fellow GMs
Also, Dr Sarfati drew with an ex World Champion!
I am also sure Guy and Solo must have had wins vs GMs
They most certainly can give us a few tips of how to do it! :)

antichrist
31-01-2009, 04:04 PM
GM Ian Rogers must have a few wins against fellow GMs
Also, Dr Sarfati drew with an ex World Champion!
I am also sure Guy and Solo must have had wins vs GMs
They most certainly can give us a few tips of how to do it! :)


don't take my advice, I tried roughing up Benjamin Joel, but didnt last first round - only one guy beat him but he had that Serbian guy as his assistant telling him all the moves from behind, what was the assistants name? You would remember Bill, about 8 years ago, he was barred for a while for something or another

ER
31-01-2009, 04:11 PM
lol good background info! I wonder why the assistant didn't play himself?

antichrist
31-01-2009, 04:35 PM
lol good background info! I wonder why the assistant didn't play himself?

coz there is a convention that players over (aprox) 2,000 rating don't play, as not fair to the champ, but KB had no such qualm,he wanted his moment of glory,

CameronD
31-01-2009, 04:37 PM
How to beat a grandmaster in chess?

.... wait for their clock to run out :angel:

smuggle a phone into his bag, then get someone to phone it

ER
31-01-2009, 04:41 PM
coz there is a convention that players over (aprox) 2,000 rating don't play, as not fair to the champ, but KB had no such qualm,he wanted his moment of glory,

Some facts please?
Do we know what was Kevin's actual rating when he played against the GM?
Do we know that similar conditions (under 2000 rating), existed in the simul Kevin played?

Kevin Bonham
31-01-2009, 06:56 PM
Some facts please?
Do we know what was Kevin's actual rating when he played against the GM?

1728. However this was before the 150 point uplift and subsequent 70 point addition for FIDE parity. Probably equivalent to about 1900-1950 now.


Do we know that similar conditions (under 2000 rating), existed in the simul Kevin played?

There were no such conditions in the simul - they would have been unnecessary since no-one much over 2000 strength would have been about.

Ian Murray
31-01-2009, 07:36 PM
GM Ian Rogers must have a few wins against fellow GMs
Also, Dr Sarfati drew with an ex World Champion!
I am also sure Guy and Solo must have had wins vs GMs
They most certainly can give us a few tips of how to do it! :)
Guy has (or had) the distinction of being the only Australian to play Kasparov

I wish I could say 'to play and beat Kasparov", but alas ...

Denis_Jessop
31-01-2009, 08:13 PM
Guy has (or had) the distinction of being the only Australian to play Kasparov

I wish I could say 'to play and beat Kasparov", but alas ...

I was pretty sure that Ian Rogers had played Kasparov in the World Junior Championship. I checked his records on Chessgames.com and sure enough he did at Manila 1976. He has played Kasparov at least twice since - in 2001. Some idea of Ian's pre-eminece as an Australian player can be seen from those records. During his career he played Karpov, Spassky, Anand and Tal plus Khalifman, if he's to be counted (all more than once) and Smyslov and Bronstein, who drew a WC match v Botvinnik, once. To add spice, he has also played all three Polgar sisters and Kosteniuk.

DJ

antichrist
31-01-2009, 08:56 PM
I was pretty sure that Ian Rogers had played Kasparov in the World Junior Championship. I checked his records on Chessgames.com and sure enough he did at Manila 1976. He has played Kasparov at least twice since - in 2001. Some idea of Ian's pre-eminece as an Australian player can be seen from those records. During his career he played Karpov, Spassky, Anand and Tal plus Khalifman, if he's to be counted (all more than once) and Smyslov and Bronstein, who drew a WC match v Botvinnik, once. To add spice, he has also played all three Polgar sisters and Kosteniuk.

DJ

But how many did he win, in comparison to Eugene Torre who beat Karpov - I am only stirring of course

antichrist
31-01-2009, 08:57 PM
1728. However this was before the 150 point uplift and subsequent 70 point addition for FIDE parity. Probably equivalent to about 1900-1950 now.



There were no such conditions in the simul - they would have been unnecessary since no-one much over 2000 strength would have been about.

Dennis, there is such a convention isn't there that higher players don't play in simuls, they may not be stated but they are presumed to be known and observed as such - except for tasmanians!

CameronD
31-01-2009, 08:59 PM
Dennis, there is such a convention isn't there that higher players don't play in simuls, they may not be stated but they are presumed to be known and observed as such - except for tasmanians!

I wouldn't play someone in a simul who I thought I had a chance of beating in a normal game. I would say 600 rating points roughly.

Kevin Bonham
31-01-2009, 09:06 PM
Dennis, there is such a convention isn't there that higher players don't play in simuls, they may not be stated but they are presumed to be known and observed as such - except for tasmanians!

I am well aware of this convention but the gap between myself and a GM is large enough that I don't count as a stronger player for such purposes.

I've ducked playing in simuls given by players only 200 or so points above me but even if the simul-giver is an FM I may play; eg FM Teichmann defeated me when giving a simul (albeit against a rather small and weak field).

antichrist
31-01-2009, 09:11 PM
I am well aware of this convention but the gap between myself and a GM is large enough that I don't count as a stronger player for such purposes.

I've ducked playing in simuls given by players only 200 or so points above me but even if the simul-giver is an FM I may play; eg FM Teichmann defeated me when giving a simul (albeit against a rather small and weak field).

thanks, you just made it worth me spending the buck at the internet cafe - I have roused your feathers

MichaelBaron
31-01-2009, 10:41 PM
To beat a grandmaster in 15 moves:

3. Once in a few year your grandmaster opponent might resign on move 15.

When i saw the game, it was more like a miracle :)

Kevin Bonham
31-01-2009, 10:48 PM
thanks, you just made it worth me spending the buck at the internet cafe - I have roused your feathers

If that counts as rousing (???) feathers you must be very very desperate.

ER
31-01-2009, 10:50 PM
1728. However this was before the 150 point uplift and subsequent 70 point addition for FIDE parity. Probably equivalent to about 1900-1950 now.



There were no such conditions in the simul - they would have been unnecessary since no-one much over 2000 strength would have been about.


Thanks Kev

chesstash
03-02-2009, 09:32 PM
Did you see how jones was beaten????????

MichaelBaron
04-02-2009, 12:50 PM
Guy has (or had) the distinction of being the only Australian to play Kasparov

I wish I could say 'to play and beat Kasparov", but alas ...

Actually this was the game he probably wishes he could forget :)

Capablanca-Fan
04-02-2009, 01:11 PM
Guy has (or had) the distinction of being the only Australian to play Kasparov.
Not so. Rogers lost to him thrice (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?yearcomp=exactly&year=&playercomp=either&pid=15940&player=&pid2=&player2=rogers&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=&eco=&result=), and Hjorth once (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069861).

Capablanca-Fan
04-02-2009, 01:13 PM
I've ducked playing in simuls given by players only 200 or so points above me but even if the simul-giver is an FM I may play; eg FM Teichmann defeated me when giving a simul (albeit against a rather small and weak field).
Beating GMs and losing to FMs? :hmm:

Kevin Bonham
04-02-2009, 03:00 PM
Beating GMs and losing to FMs? :hmm:

Blunder in drawn pawn ending. Completely out of character. :wall:

Capablanca-Fan
04-02-2009, 03:35 PM
Blunder in drawn pawn ending. Completely out of character. :wall:
Indeed. OK then, beating GMs and almost drawing with FMs? :hmm:

Saragossa
04-02-2009, 04:22 PM
Ask Murray Chandler how to beat a world champion. Apparantly he did alright against Kasparov 2 wins no losses no draws.

Kevin Bonham
04-02-2009, 06:52 PM
Indeed. OK then, beating GMs and almost drawing with FMs? :hmm:

Probably a function of field size. Easy for the simul-giver to concentrate on the really strong opponents when they're only playing half a dozen club-strength opponents and the rest are all weak juniors.

Saragossa
04-02-2009, 07:34 PM
Surely, "how to beat a world champion". Chandler is a GM.

Done:)

Goughfather
05-02-2009, 09:43 PM
Not so. Rogers lost to him thrice (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?yearcomp=exactly&year=&playercomp=either&pid=15940&player=&pid2=&player2=rogers&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=&eco=&result=), and Hjorth once (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1069861).

I have an old yearbook in which Rogers draws with Karpov while Karpov was still World Champion. It appear that they had another draw in 1996.

brett
06-02-2009, 08:19 AM
This was my quickest game. (I had the impression during the game my opponent was a bit rusty) Most likely on a good day i would have been slaughtered!



Agdestein,S - Tindall,B [B70]
Canberra Doeberl Cup (1), 1997
[Rogers]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Bg5?! A rarely used continuation whish is no better than 6. Be3 6...Bg7 7.Qd2 Nc6 8.Nb3 Be6 9.f4 0-0 10.Be2 a5!? A novelty instead of ECO's 10...a6 11.0-0 b5, unclear. [ 10...a6 11.0-0 b5] 11.a4 Blacks a-pawn must be stopped. [ 11.a3 a4 12.Nd4 Nxd4 13.Qxd4 Nd5! 14.Qd3 Nxc3 with an obvious advantage. But the text weaken the b4-square.] 11...Rc8 12.Ra3 The explanation for this ugly move is that on [ 12.0-0 Bxb3 13.cxb3 Qb6+ White loses a pawn. Clearly, White feels the absence of this dark squared Bishop from the g1-a7 diagonal.] 12...Nb4 13.Bf3 [ 13.0-0 then the typical sacrifice 13...Rxc3! destroys White's position completely.] 13...Qb6 14.f5? This desperate attempt to return the Bishop to the deadly diagonal is practically a blunder. 14...gxf5 15.Be3 Nxc2+ 16.Qxc2 Qxe3+ 17.Kd1 Nxe4 18.Bxe4 fxe4 19.Nc1 Bg4+ 20.N1e2 Qd3+ 0-1

Capablanca-Fan
06-02-2009, 11:54 AM
Agdestein,S - Tindall,B [B70]
Canberra Doeberl Cup (1), 1997
[Rogers]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Bg5?! {A rarely used continuation whish is no better than 6. Be3} 6...Bg7 7.Qd2 Nc6 8.Nb3 Be6 9.f4 0-0 10.Be2 a5!? {A novelty instead of ECO's 10...a6 11.0-0 b5, unclear} 11.a4 {Black's a-pawn must be stopped.} [ 11.a3 a4 12.Nd4 Nxd4 13.Qxd4 Nd5! 14.Qd3 Nxc3 with an obvious advantage. But the text weakens the b4-square.] 11...Rc8 12.Ra3 {The explanation for this ugly move is that on [ 12.0-0 Bxb3 13.cxb3 Qb6+ White loses a pawn. Clearly, White feels the absence of this dark squared Bishop from the g1-a7 diagonal.]} 12...Nb4 13.Bf3 [if 13.0-0 then the typical sacrifice 13...Rxc3! destroys White's position completely.] 13...Qb6 14.f5? {This desperate attempt to return the Bishop to the deadly diagonal is practically a blunder.} 14...gxf5 15.Be3 Nxc2+ 16.Qxc2 Qxe3+ 17.Kd1 Nxe4 18.Bxe4 fxe4 19.Nc1 Bg4+ 20.N1e2 Qd3+ 0-1

Rincewind
06-02-2009, 03:56 PM
My advice: Play a lot of juniors and then if you lucky, one will grow up to become a GM.

Capablanca-Fan
06-02-2009, 04:11 PM
I've followed that advice: David Smerdon vs Jonathan Sarfati, Queensland Championship 1998 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1487225).

chesstash
07-02-2009, 04:12 PM
My advice: Play a lot of juniors and then if you lucky, one will grow up to become a GM.
also play me:lol:

ER
07-02-2009, 07:57 PM
Tash you 're already a Champ, that's almost better than being a GM! or is it? :hmm:

chesstash
04-03-2009, 06:50 PM
Tash you 're already a Champ, that's almost better than being a GM! or is it? :hmm:
yep:lol:

Igor_Goldenberg
05-03-2009, 08:42 AM
in queenstown classic 2009 english grandmaster jones was beaten in 15 moves


In Aeroflot Open super GM Mamedjarov, playing white, was beaten in 21 moves, which is even harder.

Sheroff
18-07-2021, 01:54 PM
Search Chess Chat for the thread 'Fluke win against GM Rogers from 1994', and you'll find my rather fortunate win against a GM.