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Zwischenzug
30-11-2008, 10:05 PM
I see, gay group is not representative because they are conservative. To be representative they have to be socialist:doh: :doh:


Everyone is equal, but some are more equal then others.

I think it is because conservative gays a minor in number compared to liberal gays. Because of this, liberal gay groups better represent gays.

Igor_Goldenberg
30-11-2008, 10:30 PM
I think it is because conservative gays a minor in number compared to liberal gays. Because of this, liberal gay groups better represent gays.
I think lefties, by their nature, are much noisier.
Special interest groups are always much more active that people who want to be left alone.

Capablanca-Fan
30-11-2008, 10:45 PM
I think lefties, by their nature, are much noisier.
Special interest groups are always much more active that people who want to be left alone.
Exactly. Just another example of concentrated benefits v diffused costs applied outside the economic sphere to politics.

Also, the Leftmedia gives other leftists more publicity. Similarly, radical feminazis are portrayed as "speaking for women", and conservative women like Sarah Palin are demonized or accused of not being real women. Blacks are the same: the grievance mongers claim to be the "black voice", while conservative blacks like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are "uncle Toms" or "white on the inside".

Capablanca-Fan
30-11-2008, 10:48 PM
Of course the "gay" group doing the welcoming is Gay Patriot which is a conservative gay group, or more pertinently, a group of conservatives who just happen to be gay.
Precisely their point! Lefties do just what gays ostensibly don't want to happen: characterize gays only by their sexuality, instead of treating them as individuals. Yet identity politics destroys individual freedom.

Kevin Bonham
01-12-2008, 12:12 AM
I see, gay group is not representative because they are conservative. To be representative they have to be socialist:doh: :doh:

Not at all, indeed it is quite common for gay people to be quite affluent and decidedly not pro-socialist.


Everyone is equal, but some are more equal then others.

My suggestion was facetious; I was just pointing out the potential consequences of taking the argument that gun rights protect gays from gay-bashing into account.


Blacks are the same: the grievance mongers claim to be the "black voice", while conservative blacks like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are "uncle Toms" or "white on the inside".

I certainly don't support the line of thought that says that Williams and Sowell are race traitors, or Gay Patriot traitors to their sexuality, or any other rubbish like that. (I leave aside the Palin question for the time being.)

That said, after an election where, as you kept telling us, black people voted so overwhelmingly for Barack Obama, it would not be right to consider the opinions of Williams and Sowell as reliably those of black people generally and no-one in their right mind would portray them as such.

Similarly, simply referring to "gay groups" when you linked to Gay Patriot was pretty misleading.