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BennyG
06-10-2008, 03:05 PM
All info on the website

http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html
NZ $50,000 guaranteed prize money
The 10 round tournament will be played from 15th-24th January 2009

Miranda
06-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Sounds great. I hoped to play in it, but won't be able to.

Ian Murray
06-10-2008, 08:03 PM
International tournaments are a whole new experience, if you've never played overseas.

Queenstown is really great, while staying well within your comfort zone. Relatively cheap to get there, they speak English (if sometimes strangely) and accept Oz currency.

eclectic
11-10-2008, 07:00 PM
why isn't there a secure page provided for credit card payments?
i understand it is most unwise to provide such details via email

BennyG
11-10-2008, 07:34 PM
why isn't there a secure page provided for credit card payments?
i understand it is most unwise to provide such details via email

I had a look on there website http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entryform.html and there doesn't seem like another option than paying via email. But sending you credit card number via email to Paul Spiller doesn't seem like much risk because of these entries already http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html:owned:

Tony Dowden
11-10-2008, 09:15 PM
sending you credit card number via email to Paul Spiller doesn't seem like much risk because of these entries already

It's no risk at all. Paul Spiller is a respected businessman and the President of the New Zeland Chess Federation :cool:

Miranda
11-10-2008, 09:57 PM
just so long as you don't type the wrong address!

Basil
11-10-2008, 10:09 PM
It's no risk at all. Paul Spiller is a respected businessman and the President of the New Zeland Chess Federation :cool:
If I may ...

ISP staff, in many instances may access anyone's e-mails. Depending on location of server and protocols etc etc.. The security issue isn't just about the reliability of the final recipient.

Further (although I'm sure nor relevant here) an admin of a local network may in many instances read the e-mails of individuals on the network (at server level, prior to arrival at the e-mail client). Specifically, this is what I can do if I wish with my staff's e-mails. In fact I think I'll go and check on that saucy little thing's e-mails in the admin department right now!

1. No I won't.
2. All staff are warned very clearly about this facility on induction and told to keep personal matters off the work emails.
3. All staff are shown exactly how its done with a visual presentation.
4. Our system is set up such that I am not the only one who can do this (all passwords are identical and known (except mine and administration)).

Miranda
11-10-2008, 10:10 PM
Yeah, our school can read our emails. :/ which has led to some awkward meetings with teachers in the past...

BennyG
12-10-2008, 08:03 PM
If anyone was interested on looking at the tournament games from 2006 here is the link
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?page=1&tid=51341

Qbert
17-10-2008, 10:10 AM
I had a look on there website http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entryform.html and there doesn't seem like another option than paying via email. But sending you credit card number via email to Paul Spiller doesn't seem like much risk because of these entries already http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html:owned:
For those concerned about credit card fraud, you can always fax your account details to Fax 00 64 (0)9 5347885 - the number provided on the entry form. A bit harder to intercept.

Watto
17-10-2008, 10:16 AM
For those concerned about credit card fraud, you can always fax your account details to Fax 00 64 (0)9 5347885 - the number provided on the entry form. A bit harder to intercept.
I'd be reluctant to send them by email too - thanks Qbert.

BennyG
17-10-2008, 02:43 PM
thanks Qbert

Adamski
17-10-2008, 03:37 PM
Sounds great. I hoped to play in it, but won't be able to.Ditto. new job means no leave. Will hacve to content myself with the lightning at Manly on 6 Jan.

Adamski
17-10-2008, 03:39 PM
For those concerned about credit card fraud, you can always fax your account details to Fax 00 64 (0)9 5347885 - the number provided on the entry form. A bit harder to intercept.True, Quentin. But if faxing from Aus, use 0011 64 9 5347885.

Watto
11-11-2008, 09:29 AM
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html

Entries are looking good two months out. :) They got 193 players in 2006 so hopefully they'll match that at least. Such a beautiful place for a tournament...

Ivanchuk_Fan
04-12-2008, 04:03 PM
/bump/

Currently there are 102 players entered in the Queenstown Chess Classic.

GMs Rozentalis, Johansen, Jones, Bischoff, Wells, Johannessen, Hecht, Mikhalevski, Potkin, Mastrovasilis and Chandler are all playing.

Tony Dowden
20-12-2008, 09:36 AM
/bump/

Currently there are 102 players entered in the Queenstown Chess Classic.

GMs Rozentalis, Johansen, Jones, Bischoff, Wells, Johannessen, Hecht, Mikhalevski, Potkin, Mastrovasilis and Chandler are all playing.

Dec 20: Numbers are a bit soggy this time around (maybe the financial crisis is biting). There are now 105 players entered in the main event and 9 players in the junior.

MichaelBaron
21-12-2008, 09:57 PM
Dec 20: Numbers are a bit soggy this time around (maybe the financial crisis is biting). There are now 105 players entered in the main event and 9 players in the junior.

Still..a very strong field

chesstash
21-12-2008, 10:44 PM
wow thats a strong tournament. I reackon its going to be full of surprizes. something to look forward to.

Tony Dowden
22-12-2008, 08:46 AM
Still..a very strong field

Very strong, absolutely.

But I understand GM Murray Chandler wanted 200 players for the first Queenstown Classic. Even with the new junior event I doubt if 150 entries will be reached this time.

Watto
22-12-2008, 09:20 AM
Dec 20: Numbers are a bit soggy this time around (maybe the financial crisis is biting).
Maybe there’s something in that, I can't think of anything else. There's the Australian Open and the juniors earlier in the month so some players would be picking one or the other but that works both ways of course.

The 2006 Classic tops my list of favourite tournaments for a whole lot of reasons: venue, location (breathtaking), playing conditions, camaraderie, ‘excitement factor’ (apart from an Olympiad I attended as a spectator) so I can’t recommend it highly enough for those who can afford a trip to NZ… :D

Afitz
22-12-2008, 07:11 PM
Queenstown is going to be awesome fun :) Great place and even some chess thrown in..... I believe they are using the NCF followed by ACF and finally FIDE for the rating prizes is that right?

Look forward to seeing some of the users from this forum over there!

chesstash
22-12-2008, 07:16 PM
when is it on? the queensland tournament i mean:uhoh:

Watto
22-12-2008, 09:26 PM
when is it on? the queensland tournament i mean:uhoh:
Hi chesstash. If you go to the first post in a tournament thread you'll usually find out.

The Queenstown tournament runs from the 15th January until the 24th Jan 2009. It's in Queenstown, New Zealand, not Queensland btw. :) Anyway, here's the link to the Queenstown Classic website... http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/index.html

Solo
25-12-2008, 12:03 AM
I hope the organisers don't mind me advertising here.

We have booked a time share place for a week, as we did 3 years ago. Then my wife and her parents stayed as well, but this year it is just myself. I have room for 2 people, or a couple - or just a single person is OK. It is for seven nights, the night of Fri 16/1 to the night of Thu 22/1, an apartment very close to the venue. The one night before and the 3 nights after I am staying at a smaller place. Cost for us was $770, so we'll offer $250 per person for those 7 nights:)

PM me if you like.

Regards, Stephen Solomon.

AzureBlue
02-01-2009, 05:23 PM
Yeah, our school can read our emails. :/ which has led to some awkward meetings with teachers in the past...
lol thats rather awkward..
im not sure if my school reads our emails, but I barely used my school email.

AzureBlue
02-01-2009, 05:24 PM
Still..a very strong field
Yeh definitely.
ENTRIES TO DATE

GM Victor Mikhalevski 2608 Israel
GM Eduardas Rozentalis 2590 Lithuania
GM Dimitrios Mastrovasilis 2580 Greece
GM Klaus Bischoff 2545 Germany
GM Gawain Jones 2540 England
GM Leif Erlend Johannessen 2539 Norway
GM Murray Chandler 2518 New Zealand
GM Peter Wells 2513 England
IM David Smerdon 2463 Australia
IM Stephen Solomon 2460 Australia
GM Darryl Johansen 2455 Australia
FM Igor Goldenberg 2398 Australia
IM Merijn van Delft 2397 Netherlands
GM Hajo Hecht 2394 Germany
IM Herman Van Riemsdijk 2392 Brazil
WGM Jolanta Zawadzka 2385 Poland
WGM Alina Motoc 2358 Romania
IM Guy West 2346 Australia
WGM Jana Krivec 2343 Slovenia
IM Alex Wohl 2342 Australia
IM Paul Garbett 2329 New Zealand
IM Anthony Ker 2321 New Zealand
IM Lawrence Cooper 2313 England
FM Nic Croad 2305 New Zealand
FM Mark Lyell 2287 England
FM Robert Smith 2281 New Zealand
Freddie van der Elburg 2277 Netherlands
Michael Steadman 2273 New Zealand
Sam Chow 2267 Australia
WGM Anya Corke 2260 Hong Kong
FM Tim Reilly 2256 Australia
WGM Karolina Smokina 2251 Moldova
Max Illingworth 2250 Australia
FM Stephen Lukey 2247 New Zealand
Junta Ikeda 2247 Australia
Matthew Drummond 2236 Australia
Sven Bakker 2233 Netherlands
Alan Goldsmith 2226 Australia
Dusan Stojic 2219 Australia
FM Peter Hohler 2214 Switzerland
Domagoj Dragicevic 2205 Australia
Malcolm Pyke 2182 Australia
WIM Ingrid Lauterbach 2154 England
Daniel Baider 2125 New Zealand
Eugene Schon 2115 Australia
Mehmedalija Dizdarevic 2102 Bosnia & Herzegovina
Daniel Shen 2098 New Zealand
Matthew McNabb 2095 New Zealand
Martin Post 2094 New Zealand
WFM Meri Grigoryan-Lyell 2092 England
Peter Stuart 2076 New Zealand
John Duneas 2075 New Zealand
FM Brian Jones 2074 Australia
WFM Eva-Maria Zickelbein 2070 Germany
Alek Safarian 2068 Australia
Malcolm Armstrong 2060 England
Gavin Marner 2049 New Zealand
Hilton Bennett 2032 New Zealand
Henrik Mortensen 2022 Denmark
Ross Jackson 2020 New Zealand
Neil Markovitz 2015 Australia
Nathan Goodhue 2009 New Zealand
Andrew Fitzpatrick 2008 Australia
Peter Willer Svendsen 2007 Denmark
Adrian Flitney 1990 Australia
Andrew Brown 1987 Australia
Jeremy Watson 1986 New Zealand
WFM Helen Milligan 1976 New Zealand
Richard Voon 1976 Australia
WFM Rebecca Harris 1975 Australia
Svetozar Stojic 1972 Australia
Dennis Holland 1969 Australia
Michael Nyberg 1969 New Zealand
Amiel Rosario 1969 Australia
Edward Tanoi 1956 New Zealand
Fedja Zulfic 1956 Australia
Justin Davis 1955 New Zealand
Bill Forster 1955 New Zealand
Oleg Korenevski 1954 Australia
Alan Aldridge 1946 New Zealand
WFM Shannon Oliver 1937 Australia
Mathew King 1934 New Zealand
Russell Murray 1933 Australia
Angelo Tsagarakis 1927 Australia
Sherab Guo-Yuthok 1913 Australia
Judy Gao 1911 New Zealand
Dave Capper 1880 New Zealand
Justin Tan 1870 Australia
Bruce Kay 1862 New Zealand
WFM Vivian Smith 1836 New Zealand
Robin Shaw 1831 Australia
Nikola Ivanov 1795 Australia
Roland Brockman 1786 Australia
Emma Guo (also Junior Classic) 1778 Australia
Bill Egan 1776 Australia
Owen Pritchard 1735 New Zealand
Bob Mitchell 1719 New Zealand
Sarah Anton 1682 Australia
Roy Seabrook 1680 New Zealand
Paul Williams 1633 New Zealand
Stephen Watson 1586 New Zealand
Tony Booth 1559 New Zealand
Jean Watson 1504 Australia
Gary Judkins 1405 New Zealand
Ben Gavine 1310 Australia
Alan Ansell (also Junior Classic) 1300 New Zealand
George Trundle 1117 New Zealand
Peter Theodosiou 1020 Australia
James Brennan 692 Australia
Sophie Fechner Germany
Nitin Khera India
Henk Riepma Netherlands
Huseyin Yeten Cyprus

Dougy
07-01-2009, 01:09 PM
Fantastic field! Go Aussie!!!

Intuition
12-01-2009, 03:42 PM
A really impressive field, should be a great tourney :) Will be interesting to see if any aussies can finish in the top 5

AzureBlue
12-01-2009, 03:44 PM
A really impressive field, should be a great tourney :) Will be interesting to see if any aussies can finish in the top 5
GO AUSSIES!!
:) :) :) :) :P :P :P

Tony Dowden
14-01-2009, 07:47 AM
Yes, plenty of Aussies (44 at last count).

Entries are well short of the first Queenstown Classic in 2006 but its a truly stunning field headed by a 2600+ GM.

With only a day to go the numbers are 114 in the main event and 12 in the supporting Junior Classic. The Classic includes 10 GM's, 5 WGM's, 9 IM's, 1 WIM, 8 FM's, 6 WFM's and - not noted elsewhere - 1 NM (national master) in the shape of veteran Aucklander, Peter Stuart.

Kevin Bonham
14-01-2009, 08:09 PM
Looks like games start 1 pm ADST tomorrow (3 pm NZ time). Any word on live games?

Bereaved
14-01-2009, 08:35 PM
there will be about 15 lives games if they are all working

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

ER
14-01-2009, 08:49 PM
I suggest ScarletFIRE to be the official decorator and lighting inspector of the tournament! Go Scarlet!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

black
14-01-2009, 09:52 PM
Wish I had organised to go. Excellent field.

Adamski
14-01-2009, 10:14 PM
I suggest ScarletFIRE to be the official decorator and lighting inspector of the tournament! Go Scarlet!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:
Yes, his or her contributions are very colourful! But Jak you are going to have to explain CSD and RSD in your new sig to me!

ER
14-01-2009, 11:56 PM
... But Jak you are going to have to explain CSD and RSD in your new sig to me!

Hi Jonathan, in "13-01-2009 11:14 PM - that's Melbourne time - " Shoutbox, both terms are thoroughly explained. I do not like to expand more here since, I know, it will create a divertion of the thread's topic!
CAGLES

Tony Dowden
15-01-2009, 07:39 AM
With Round 1 pairings out it looks like there are now 120 players.

GM Murray Chandler has apparently withdrawn (perhaps to concentrate on organisation) and self-styled 'Jamaican champion' Pablo Williams has entered at the last minute.

I see some potential for upsets even as early as Rd 1 ...

Davidflude
15-01-2009, 09:28 AM
This is a tremendous looking field. It is a shame that there are not more Australian juniors.

C.Antolis
15-01-2009, 09:35 AM
Hopefully the games will be entered onto computers so we can view not only the games from the top 15 boards.

AzureBlue
15-01-2009, 10:20 AM
I suggest ScarletFIRE to be the official decorator and lighting inspector of the tournament! Go Scarlet!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:
Yeah that'd be [A][W][E][S][O][M][E]!
Wish I could go to NZ :)

Adamski
15-01-2009, 11:50 AM
Hi Jonathan, in "13-01-2009 11:14 PM - that's Melbourne time - " Shoutbox, both terms are thoroughly explained. I do not like to expand more here since, I know, it will create a divertion of the thread's topic!
CAGLESWell, after 10 mins hunting around I found the folowing enlightening entry:

"ok after the successful completion of my CSD (Controlled Shoutbox Dribbling) period, I am now proceeding into the new \ RSD as in Restricted Shoutbox Dribbling!"

Now I have to seriously question if that was a productive use of my time!

But back on topic, I am looking forward to seeing some good chess from Queenstown. I am sad that GM Murray Chandler (who I first knew when he was a sub-teen) has pulled out.

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2009, 12:02 PM
Only just noticed Tasmania is represented - HICC Champion Neil Markovitz (currently #2 in state) is playing. He has a nice easy one against GM Gawain Jones first up.

It's actually very rare for a Tasmanian to play against a GM in a rated game. I know of only two other cases where this has happened.

Can't see any sign of the 15 live boards yet, only 3 (presumably the 3 used in Sydney).

Tony Dowden
15-01-2009, 12:36 PM
It's actually very rare for a Tasmanian to play against a GM in a rated game. I know of only two other cases where this has happened.

:hmm: GM Ian Rogers and I - both born in Tassie - have played several GMs. I've played half a dozen or so (um ... Beliavsky, Safin, Gavrikov, Timoshenko & Chandler ... so maybe its only five)and Ian has probably played 100 or more: so are we the two you were thinking of? ;)

ER
15-01-2009, 12:36 PM
...Now I have to seriously question if that was a productive use of my time!
...

ok final and conclusive explanatory note is given in this shout:

15-01-2009 01:02 AM justaknight

It took me more than 10 minutes to locate those two references in the Shoutbox arhcives! What's 10 minutes for a mate? :P

ER
15-01-2009, 12:38 PM
by the way Dimitrios Mastrovasilis is the one to beat! :) GO DIMITRI!!!!
Translated into English Mastrovasilis means Master Bill! Reminds you of someone? :P
CAGLES

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2009, 12:45 PM
:hmm: GM Ian Rogers and I (both born in Tassie) have played several GMs. I've played half a dozen or so and Ian has probably played 100 or more: so are we the two you were thinking of? ;)

No, what I am thinking of is cases where a player listed as Tasmanian (on the rating list) at the time of the game has played a titled GM. Ian was indeed born here but was never on any rating lists as TAS. You've been on the TAS list since about 2005-6; have you played any GMs in that time?

The two previous cases I'm aware of - Michael Rolph played Ian Rogers in the late 1980s and John Slidziunas played Johansen in Adelaide a few years ago.

Adamski
15-01-2009, 12:49 PM
...

ok final and conclusive explanatory note is given in this shout:

15-01-2009 01:02 AM justaknight

It took me more than 10 minutes to locate those two references in the Shoutbox arhcives! What's 10 minutes for a mate? :PI think you are an hour out. Maybe Melbourne changed to different timezone to Sydney without me notcing!

"and good night to you all, this shout (the 27000th) of mine, completes the CSD period and gives the signal of the new dawn of RSD to be put in operation! So from now on there will be no more than 5 shouts a day for JaK, which will not exceed the limit of 10w a shout! This, of course, does not apply to cases of my participation in quizzes! Salute!"

27000 - well done ! No doubt KB will talk about that in the stats thread!

On topic again, board 1 game very interesting. Hilton nearly lost his Q.

Tony Dowden
15-01-2009, 04:19 PM
No, what I am thinking of is cases where a player listed as Tasmanian (on the rating list) at the time of the game has played a titled GM. Ian was indeed born here but was never on any rating lists as TAS. You've been on the TAS list since about 2005-6; have you played any GMs in that time?

The two previous cases I'm aware of - Michael Rolph played Ian Rogers in the late 1980s and John Slidziunas played Johansen in Adelaide a few years ago.

Hah! With you I knew it would be a more exclusive group :lol:

But, actually, I played Chandler last January - so with Neil's match today there are now at least four cases.

Tony Dowden
15-01-2009, 04:22 PM
I see some potential for upsets even as early as Rd 1 ...

NZ's ever-popular Olympiad Team Captain, Hilton Bennett has (not) done it again. (Nearly?) a draw in the first round against a GM! (cf Doeberl Cup last year when he drew with GM Shipov)

Oops!! :wall: Hilton lost :( A good fight nonetheless :clap: :clap:

Desmond
15-01-2009, 04:33 PM
Pretty sure he lost that one Tony, judging by the final position on the live transmission.

Capablanca-Fan
15-01-2009, 04:56 PM
Pretty sure he lost that one Tony, judging by the final position on the live transmission.
Yes, sure looks like it. A clear exchange down, the K holds the enemy passed P while the R cleans up at least one more P.

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2009, 04:58 PM
But, actually, I played Chandler last January - so with Neil's match today there are now at least four cases.

Indeed, I remember that now. The Tasmanians-playing-GMs club now has a membership of four.



27000 - well done ! No doubt KB will talk about that in the stats thread!

No I won't. It is a completely irrelevant dribblestone.

Tony Dowden
15-01-2009, 05:06 PM
Indeed, I remember that now. The Tasmanians-playing-GMs club now has a membership of four.
And Dowden-Timoshenko (2007 SIO) was definitely played under the TAS flag.

Tony Dowden
15-01-2009, 05:08 PM
Yes, sure looks like it. A clear exchange down, the K holds the enemy passed P while the R cleans up at least one more P.

:( I got cmpletely taken in by the draw result that was transmitted live. Now that I think about it the final position more carefully it looks pretty easy for White!

But still, Hilton managed to mix things up fairly well :)

that Caesar guy
15-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Yeah, he did. In fact, at one point I thought he had enough for the exchange, but he played the wrong move. Actually, at two points.
Anyway, does anyone know what happened with the other games, because I am dying to know how certain people went. :whistle:

JM

pappubahry
15-01-2009, 08:48 PM
Anyway, does anyone know what happened with the other games, because I am dying to know how certain people went. :whistle:

Results here:
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/pairings.html

that Caesar guy
15-01-2009, 08:55 PM
Ty, that helps.
Well done to Andrew Brown. :clap: :clap: :clap: .
I hear that Darryl blundered though. But in the end (as I have painfully learnt countless times:( ), it is the result that counts.
So well done Andrew.:clap:

JM

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2009, 08:57 PM
Big upset by an up-and-comer: Andrew Brown defeats GM Darryl Johansen! Sherab Guo-Yuthok the only other upset winner, over WGM Karolina Smokina.

MichaelBaron
15-01-2009, 09:29 PM
Well Done, Andrew :clap:

I played Darryl several times but has never beaten him :(

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2009, 10:17 PM
Here's Sherab's win (thanks to TCG):

1.d4 b6 2.Nf3 Bb7 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 f5 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.0-0 0-0 8.Qb3 c5 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Bf4 Qe7 11.Rad1 d6 12.Na4 e5 13.Nxc5 bxc5 14.Bc1 Nc6 15.e3 Rad8 16.Nd2 Rd7 17.Nb1 e4 18.f4 exf3 19.Bxf3 Ne4 20.Nc3 Ne5 21.Nd5 Qe8 22.Qc2 Qg6 23.b3 Rdf7 24.Bb2 Nxf3+ 25.Rxf3 Ng5 26.Rff1 h5 27.Qg2 Re8 28.Bc1 Re4 29.Rf4 h4 30.Rxe4 fxe4 31.Nf4 Qh6 32.gxh4 Nf3+ 33.Kh1 Nxh4 34.Qg3 Rf5 35.Ng2 Qh5 36.Rg1 Nxg2 37.Qxg2 Qf3 38.h4 Rh5 39.Qxf3 exf3 40.Kh2 Rxh4+ 41.Kg3 Rh5 42.Bd2 Kf7 43.Bc3 g6 44.a3 a6 45.b4 Ke6 46.bxc5 Rxc5 47.Bb4 Rh5 48.Rd1 Rg5+ 49.Kf2 Rg2+ 50.Kf1 d5 51.cxd5+ Bxd5 52.Rd4 Re2 53.Bc5 Rc2 54.Bb4 Bc6 55.Rd2 Rc4 56.Kf2 Bd5 57.Rd4 Rc2+ 58.Rd2 Rc1 59.e4 Bxe4 60.Rd6+ Kf5 61.Rxa6 Rc2+ 62.Kg3 Rg2+ 63.Kh3 f2 64.Ra7 Ke6 65.Re7+ Kd5 66.Rd7+ Kc4 67.Rf7 g5 68.Bd6 Bd5 69.Rc7+ Kd3 0-1

White's play around moves 15-20 is just extravagent stuffing about (yeah, the sort of thing I do sometimes) that acheives little except giving Black time to get a really nice position. But it's one thing to have such an advantage and another thing to convert it. White never gets completely back in the game and finally blunders by grabbing the pawn on move 61 after which Sherab will promote by force. Very well played game by Sherab and a well deserved win. :clap:

Kevin Bonham
16-01-2009, 11:42 PM
Not many games available yet but a bunch from the first round have gone up.

This is the Brown - Johansen upset.

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Bd2 Qe7 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Qc2 d6 7.0-0-0 Nbd7 8.e4 e5 9.dxe5 dxe5 10.Kb1 c6 11.Nh4 Nc5 12.Nf5 Bxf5 13.exf5 a5 14.f3 Rfd8 15.Be2 e4 16.g4 e3 17.Bc1 Qe5 18.Rhf1 Bxc3 19.Qxc3 Qxc3 20.bxc3 Re8 21.Rfe1 Re7 22.Kc2 Nfd7 23.Ba3 Rae8 24.Rd4 f6 25.Red1 Kf7 26.f4 Rc8 27.g5 Rc7 28.Bh5+ g6 29.fxg6+ hxg6 30.gxf6 Kxf6 31.Rd6+ Re6 32.Bg4 Rxd6 33.Rxd6+ Kf7 34.Kd1 b6 35.Ke2 Nf6 36.Bxc5 Nxg4 37.Bxb6 Re7 38.h3 Nh6 39.Rxc6 Re4 40.Bd4 Nf5 41.Be5 Ng3+ 42.Ke1 g5 43.Rf6+ Ke8 44.Rg6 gxf4 45.Bxf4 Nf5 46.Rg4 Rxc4 47.Be5 Rc5 48.Re4 Kf7 49.c4 Rc6 50.Bc3 a4 51.Re5 Kg6 52.c5 Kg5 53.Ke2 Kf4 54.Kd3 Rc7 55.Rd5 Re7 56.c6 e2 57.Bd2+ Ne3 58.Kxe2 1-0

Close game but it seems that between moves 25-33 white is permitted to whip up some play on the kingside that leads to a strongly placed rook and a more open board for the bishops. After this white is on top for the rest of the game but black misses or declines to play 57...Re3+!! (an unbelievable only move) after which it's not even clear to me if white still wins with best play.

MichaelBaron
17-01-2009, 09:45 AM
Sarah Anton won the "battle of the ladies" :clap:

Adamski
17-01-2009, 11:00 AM
3 Illingworth, Max AUS 2250 .5:.5 Mastrovasilis, Dimitrios GRE 2580
:clap:
Great Round 2 result for the boy from Dee Why!!

Adamski
17-01-2009, 11:05 AM
12 Pyke, Malcolm L AUS 2182 .5:.5 Hecht, Hans-Joachim GER 2394
13 Van Riemsdijk, Herman BRA 2392 .5:.5 Schon, Eugene AUS 2115
:clap:

Adamski
17-01-2009, 11:07 AM
15 Motoc, Alina ROU 2358 0:1 Shen, Daniel NZL 2098
:clap: :clap:

Andrew Brown had another upset win to have 2/2:
25 van der Elburg, Freddie NED 2277 0:1 Brown, Andrew AUS 1987

Adamski
17-01-2009, 11:10 AM
And finally for Rd 2, a big result by a former Christchurch lad, whom I have played many times:

18 McNabb, Matthew David NZL 2095 .5:.5 Wohl, Aleksander H AUS 2342
:clap:

MichaelBaron
17-01-2009, 11:22 AM
12 Pyke, Malcolm L AUS 2182 .5:.5 Hecht, Hans-Joachim GER 2394
13 Van Riemsdijk, Herman BRA 2392 .5:.5 Schon, Eugene AUS 2115
:clap:

Both of them are from Melbourne ;) :clap:

Denis_Jessop
17-01-2009, 11:32 AM
15 Motoc, Alina ROU 2358 0:1 Shen, Daniel NZL 2098
:clap: :clap:

Andrew Brown had another upset win to have 2/2:
25 van der Elburg, Freddie NED 2277 0:1 Brown, Andrew AUS 1987

I predicted a good future for Andrew several years ago so I'm glad to see that he is performing very well. (Also, he's from the ACT :clap: )

DJ

Adamski
17-01-2009, 11:49 AM
battle of the top Aussie juniors:
17 Schon, Eugene AUS 2115 : Illingworth, Max AUS 2250

Tony Dowden
17-01-2009, 12:04 PM
3 Illingworth, Max AUS 2250 .5:.5 Mastrovasilis, Dimitrios GRE 2580
:clap:
Great Round 2 result for the boy from Dee Why!!

Yes, I was highly impressed with Max's active handling of the ending :clap: :clap:

Adamski
17-01-2009, 12:16 PM
Interesting Advanced french. Similar to Adams - Bonham lightning game except why does Black have to spend 2 moves playing ...Nc8 rather than earlier ...f6 ? Tony or KB maybe can advise?
Good luck Anthony there!

Garvinator
17-01-2009, 02:02 PM
battle of the top Aussie juniors:
17 Schon, Eugene AUS 2115 : Illingworth, Max AUS 2250
And same colours again too.

BearDrinkingBeer
17-01-2009, 03:30 PM
It's nice to see the live display for this tournament working flawlessly for the first two rounds. Keep it up! :clap:

Kevin Bonham
17-01-2009, 05:48 PM
Interesting Advanced french. Similar to Adams - Bonham lightning game except why does Black have to spend 2 moves playing ...Nc8 rather than earlier ...f6 ?

He doesn't. The usual move in the position where he played ...Nc8 is 8...Nf5 so ...Nc8 is probably just to get his opponent out of mainline theory.

Not everyone likes the early ...f6 lines and I think 6...Nge7 is still much commoner than 6...f6.

MichaelBaron
17-01-2009, 06:31 PM
Interesting Advanced french. Similar to Adams - Bonham lightning game except why does Black have to spend 2 moves playing ...Nc8 rather than earlier ...f6 ? Tony or KB maybe can advise?
Good luck Anthony there!

I can think of at least one more difference between that game..and Adams-Bonham :confused:

flushfyre
17-01-2009, 07:34 PM
It's nice to see the live display for this tournament working flawlessly for the first two rounds. Keep it up! :clap:
I agree. There are not many tournaments that provide working DGT boards. To have three that work is almost a once-in-a-lifetime event :)

MichaelBaron
17-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Some more interesting results That I've just spotted.

Watto drew with 1900+ rated opponent in round 2. :clap: Also the Jamaican "chess cheat" famouse for collecting money for his "dying father" is also in the event. So far, he is on 1/2

Kevin Bonham
17-01-2009, 07:53 PM
Some more interesting results That I've just spotted.

Watto drew with 1900+ rated opponent in round 2. :clap:

Yeah, I spotted this yesterday, that was great. Would be interesting to see the game.

Adamski: didn't I play an early ...Qb6 in that game anyway? I forget.

Kevin Bonham
17-01-2009, 08:25 PM
Justin Tan defeated Daniel Baider today. Won't be long before this Justin Tan is just as dangerous as the other one at this rate!

Getting serious now:


1 Smerdon, David C AUS 2463 [3] : Mikhalevski, Victor ISR 2608 [3]
2 Rozentalis, Eduardas LTU 2590 [3] : Solomon, Stephen J AUS 2460 [3]
3 van Delft, Merijn NED 2397 [3] : Jones, Gawain ENG 2540 [3]
4 Mastrovasilis, Dimitrios GRE 2580 [2.5] : Goldenberg, Igor AUS 2398 [3]
5 Bischoff, Klaus GER 2545 [2.5] : Wohl, Aleksander H AUS 2342 [2.5]

Tony Dowden
17-01-2009, 09:21 PM
Interesting Advanced french. Similar to Adams - Bonham lightning game except why does Black have to spend 2 moves playing ...Nc8 rather than earlier ...f6 ? Tony or KB maybe can advise?
Good luck Anthony there!

:hmm: I agree with KB in that ...Nc8 is hardly compulsory. I wasn't too keen on Ker's a2-a4 but maybe it was right.

My gut feeling is that if Black wanted something he should have played ...f6 or ...g5 sometime in the early middlegame. But this is only the gut feeling of a 2000ish player - not a GM ;)

Kevin Bonham
17-01-2009, 09:36 PM
Reilly-Mihalevski from yesterday. Fascinating game which white eventually resigns because he cannot avoid KBN vs K.

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Bg5 c5 7.d5 e6 8.Qd2 h6 9.Bf4 exd5 10.cxd5 a6 11.a4 Qe7 12.Nge2 Nbd7 13.Ng3 h5 14.Bg5 Re8 15.Be2 Qf8 16.0-0 Nh7 17.Be3 h4 18.Nh1 f5 19.Nf2 Ne5 20.Rab1 Qf6 21.a5 Bd7 22.b4 c4 23.Rbc1 Rac8 24.Ncd1 Bb5 25.exf5 gxf5 26.Nh3 c3 27.Rxc3 Rxc3 28.Bxb5 Nc4 29.Qxc3 Qxc3 30.Nxc3 axb5 31.Nxb5 Nxe3 32.Re1 Re5 33.Nxd6 Nxd5 34.Rxe5 Bxe5 35.Nxb7 Nxb4 36.f4 Bd4+ 37.Kf1 Kf7 38.Nd6+ Ke6 39.Nc4 Kd5 40.Nd2 Bf6 41.Nf3 Nf8 42.g3 Ng6 43.Kg2 Bd8 44.Nhg5 Nd3 45.a6 Bb6 46.Nf7 Ke6 47.N3g5+ Kd5 48.Nh6 Ne7 49.Kh3 Bf2 50.a7 Bxa7 51.Kxh4 Bd4 52.Kh5 Bg1 53.Nf3 Bb6 54.Kg5 Ke6 55.h3 Nf2 56.Kh4 Kf6 57.Ne5 Kg7 58.Nhf7 Ne4 59.Ng5 Bf2 60.Nxe4 fxe4 61.Kg4 Nd5 62.Nc4 Nf6+ 63.Kf5 Bxg3 64.Kg5 Bf2 0-1

Adamski
17-01-2009, 10:06 PM
I agree. There are not many tournaments that provide working DGT boards. To have three that work is almost a once-in-a-lifetime event :)We had 3 boards working for most of the Aus Open. Today there were 3 interesting live games and congrats to Anthony Ker for drawing that Advanced French. The black N that went from c8 to a7 never moved from a7 subsequently. So yes, Michael, many differences in the games. Black today never played .. f6. A bigger difference was the result. Ker drew and I lost!
BTW Jono once posted somewhere in this BB about a junior who played him wearing a hat. I am certain that was A ker - he often wore hats! Especialy one balaclava I recall... Nowadays he is a strong IM.

WhiteElephant
17-01-2009, 11:49 PM
Justin Tan defeated Daniel Baider today. Won't be long before this Justin Tan is just as dangerous as the other one at this rate!


I think he is already getting close to the other Justin's level and has several years head start on him.

Also Sarah Anton beat: Grigoryan-Lyell, Meri ENG 2092 [1].
Excellent work :clap:

MichaelBaron
17-01-2009, 11:50 PM
I think he is already getting close to the other Justin's level and has several years head start on him.

Also Sarah Anton beat: Grigoryan-Lyell, Meri ENG 2092 [1].
Excellent work :clap:

Yep Sarah is kicking all the gals!

ER
18-01-2009, 12:17 AM
I am anticipating a furius, relentless and merciless comeback by Guy West!
Also, sorry Igor, but watch Mastrovasilis from now on!
CAGLES

Tony Dowden
18-01-2009, 09:17 AM
Reilly-Mihalevski from yesterday. Fascinating game which white eventually resigns because he cannot avoid KBN vs K.

On the day I thought 55.h3 was wrong, as I had I thought 55.Nh4 and ganging up on the f5 pawn looked good. But now I see 55...Bd8 is a problem.

My feeling is that White can hold but it isn't easy!

Adamski
18-01-2009, 09:26 AM
Adamski: didn't I play an early ...Qb6 in that game anyway? I forget.Yep. FWIW, you did. I misplayed it all. I was quite puzzled by the way the German GM Bischoff played the Advanced French against Ker but as you said he was probably just trying to get Anthony out of the book.

Smerf and Solo on Boards 1 and 2 today I see. Good luck to them (as well as my usual suspects Max et al)! Max plays Andrew Brown today so there will be some here wanting a different ressult to me. Good luck to Igor on Board 4 - may be on the live display today. On Board 5 its Bischoff - Wohl - go Alex there!

Davidflude
18-01-2009, 09:46 AM
I agree. There are not many tournaments that provide working DGT boards. To have three that work is almost a once-in-a-lifetime event :)

We have two of our own at Box Hill/Canterbury Junior Chess which we allow Chess Victoria to use on the Premisses. Now if somehow or other some of the digital boards that are in NSW and Queensland were allocated to Chess Victoria then we would be able to show lots of games.

Capablanca-Fan
18-01-2009, 09:50 AM
We had 3 boards working for most of the Aus Open. Today there were 3 interesting live games and congrats to Anthony Ker for drawing that Advanced French. The black N that went from c8 to a7 never moved from a7 subsequently. So yes, Michael, many differences in the games. Black today never played .. f6. A bigger difference was the result. Ker drew and I lost!
Ker never had problems in that game.


BTW Jono once posted somewhere in this BB about a junior who played him wearing a hat. I am certain that was A ker he often wore hats! Especialy one balaclava I recall... Nowadays he is a strong IM.
Yes.


Nowadays he is a strong IM.
A strong IM would be over, say, 2450, since a non-zonal IM must have achieved a rating of 2400 at some time, while a GM must have achieved 2500.

Davidflude
18-01-2009, 09:52 AM
Justin Tan defeated Daniel Baider today. Won't be long before this Justin Tan is just as dangerous as the other one at this rate!



He is very dangerous and improving fast. This tournament will be a great experience for him.

Davidflude
18-01-2009, 10:32 AM
Yep. FWIW, you did. I misplayed it all. I was quite puzzled by the way the German GM Bischoff played the Advanced French against Ker but as you said he was probably just trying to get Anthony out of the book.


I looked at the early part of the game on several of my large databases.

After 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Bd7 black appears to have equalized already judging by results from 10,000 games that reached this position. There appears to be no clear way for white to keep even a small edge.

I subscribe to Chesspublishing.com There are a mass of deeply annotated French Defence games featuring this line.

Furthermore the positions that arise look to suit French players with lots of possibilities for active play. I gave up playing the advance as white some years ago.

Maybe I should start playing the French against higher rated opponents especially juniors.

Above line against Advance.

The mysterious Hecht-Reefschaelager against 3.Nc3

The similar Guimard against 3.Nd2

The e6 lines against the kings Indian attack.

Adamski
18-01-2009, 10:39 AM
I looked at the early part of the game on several of my large databases.

After 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Bd7 black appears to have equalized already judging by results from 10,000 games that reached this position. There appears to be no clear way for white to keep even a small edge.

I subscribe to Chesspublishing.com There are a mass of deeply annotated French Defence games featuring this line.

Furthermore the positions that arise look to suit French players with lots of possibilities for active play. I gave up playing the advance as white some years ago.

Maybe I should start playing the French against higher rated opponents especially juniors.

Above line against Advance.

The mysterious Hecht-Reefschaelager against 3.Nc3

The similar Guimard against 3.Nd2

The e6 lines against the kings Indian attack.Thanks for that. It was what Balck did after Bd7 that had me puzzled - Ne7 - c8 - a7. Ker played a4 and N on a7 looked silly and was still there when draw agreed. Would have to go back to c8 to get back in the game.
BTW, good advice!!

Tony Dowden
18-01-2009, 09:27 PM
N on a7 looked silly and was still there when draw agreed. Would have to go back to c8 to get back in the game.


Hi Jonathan,

I think one of Black's ideas - if White plays pawn(a2)-a4 (which he did) - was to swap a pair of knights by playing N(c6)-b4 then second N(a7) can go to c6

Note also that both sides essentially had one 'redundant' knight so, in effect, they cancelled each other out. (The notion of redundancy is something American IM John Watson has written about.)

Hope this sheds some light on the issue :)

MichaelBaron
18-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Domagoi defeated a 2385 rated opponent and is now on 3/4. Hopefully he will win in round 5 as well. Wishing him luck.

Adamski
19-01-2009, 12:49 PM
Max Illingworth beaten by Andrew Brown. News to sadden some (like me) and excite others (like Denis).

As was said in the Shoutbox yesterday, congrats to Smerf for his draw on Board 1. Also congrats to flukey who I see is moving up the field.

I note that one of the top seeds and co-leaders has taken a half-point bye - good scheme to do some sight-seeing in Q.town - depending on the weather. I saw rain was predicted for today.

Kevin Bonham
19-01-2009, 12:54 PM
PGN feed is a little bit disappointing compared to some. I can live with only having the top 15 boards up but the speed is slow; round 4 still not available in PGN yet. Given that the DGT boards use lousy software that doesn't let you download the game, PGN files are quite useful for those following online who want to analyse.

Intuition
19-01-2009, 07:24 PM
Good to see johanen back in the hunt with 4 wins in a row...now he just have to knock off some GM competition :)

BearDrinkingBeer
19-01-2009, 08:01 PM
We had 3 boards working for most of the Aus Open.
I know it isn't the organisers' fault, but weren't they malfunctioning half the time?

Btw, I'm not sure if anyone noticed that Geoff Saw is playing again.

MichaelBaron
19-01-2009, 10:56 PM
Quite a few upsets this round. I am particularly pleased to see Domagoi on 4/5 :clap:

ER
19-01-2009, 11:04 PM
Well, your wishes came true Michael!!! :clap: Are you planning a lightning match with Dom when he returns from NZ? :)
Coming to think of it, I believe it is a good idea for clubs to organise challenge matches between top players!
Coming back to Dom, congratulations and we all hope he continues producing the goods. After all he is a very popular person!

Spiny Norman
20-01-2009, 07:01 AM
WOW! Watto's scoring well:

55 Mortensen, Henrik DEN 2022 [.5] .5:.5 Watson, Jean AUS 1504 [.5]

Davidflude
20-01-2009, 07:40 AM
great to see players that I know are doing well.

Darryl,
The Smurf,
The Garbage, always used to beat me in kiwiland
Peter Stuart, super steady positional player used to grind me into the dirt.
Sam Chow, came out of retirement to play really well in The Canterbury Xmas Swiss
Domigoi not just a good chessplayer but a good bloke as well.

too many others to mention.

Garrett
20-01-2009, 08:01 AM
Andrew Brown and Emma Goa Still powering on too !!

ER
20-01-2009, 11:38 AM
The Garbage, always used to beat me in kiwiland


who is The Garbage? By the way David, did you ever have the chance to play Sarapu?

Adamski
20-01-2009, 11:40 AM
who is The Garbage?IM Paul Garbett - a very nice guy (as no doubt you are). A term of affection!

Kevin Bonham
20-01-2009, 11:40 AM
Today's pointy end:

1 Rozentalis, Eduardas LTU 2590 [4.5] : Jones, Gawain ENG 2540 [4.5]
2 Johansen, Darryl K AUS 2455 [4] : Mikhalevski, Victor ISR 2608 [4.5]
3 Garbett, Paul NZL 2329 [4] : Mastrovasilis, Dimitrios GRE 2580 [4]
4 Bischoff, Klaus GER 2545 [4] : Saw, Geoffrey AUS 2257 [4]
5 Smerdon, David C AUS 2463 [4] : Lukey, Stephen G NZL 2247 [4]
6 Chow, Samuel AUS 2267 [4] : Hecht, Hans-Joachim GER 2394 [4]
7 Motoc, Alina ROU 2358 [4] : Dragicevic, Domagoj AUS 2205 [4]
8 Johannessen, Leif Erlend NOR 2539 [3.5] : Brown, Andrew AUS 1987 [4]

Neil Markovitz drew with Smokina yesterday and is white against Brian Jones, both on 2.5/5.

ER
20-01-2009, 12:34 PM
IM Paul Garbett - a very nice guy (as no doubt you are). A term of affection!

Thanks Jonathan!

MichaelBaron
20-01-2009, 04:06 PM
Rozentalis displayed excellent endgame technique once again!:clap:

Kevin Bonham
20-01-2009, 07:57 PM
Rozentalis - Solomon from round four:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Qxd7 5.0-0 Nc6 6.c4 Nf6 7.Nc3 g6 8.d3 Bg7 9.a3 0-0 10.Rb1 Ne8 11.Bd2 Nc7 12.b4 b6 13.Ne2 f5 14.exf5 gxf5 15.Nf4 e5 16.Nh5 Rae8 17.Nxg7 Qxg7 18.Qa4 Qd7 19.bxc5 dxc5 20.Bc3 Rf6 21.Rbe1 Ne6 22.g3 Ned4 23.Bxd4 cxd4 24.Qb5 e4 25.Qd5+ Qxd5 26.cxd5 Ne5 27.Nxd4 Nxd3 28.Re2 Kf7 29.Ne6 Rc8 30.f3 exf3 31.Ng5+ Kg6 32.Nxf3 Rd8 33.Re3 Nc5 34.Re7 Rxd5 35.Ne5+ Rxe5 36.Rxe5 h5 37.Kg2 Ne4 38.h3 Rc6 39.Rfxf5 Rc3 40.Rf3 Rc2+ 41.Kg1 Ng5 42.Rff5 Nxh3+ 43.Kf1 a5 44.Rxh5 Nf2 45.Rh2 Ng4 46.Re6+ Kf5 47.Rxc2 Kxe6 48.Rc6+ Kd5 49.Rxb6 Kc4 50.Ke2 Ne5 51.a4 Nd3 52.Rb5 Nc1+ 53.Ke3 Nb3 54.g4 Nd4 55.Rxa5 Nc2+ 56.Ke4 Kb4 57.Ra8 1-0

I was very interested in this game because it was a Moscow Sicilian (which I play a lot, though not all that aggressively) and also Rozentalis declined to play 8.d4 which virtually everyone plays and instead went for a more English-like setup with 8.d3.

At the time I thought it was a very convincing game by white but looking at it more closely it seems that black doesn't go permanently astray until moves 29-34 where he allows white to whip up some stuff with a nasty knight and has to shed the exchange to get out of it.

Smerdon - Mikhalevski same round. This is the PGN given on the site

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Nd5 Be7 10.Bxf6 Bxf6 11.c3 0-0 12.Nc2 Bg5 13.h4 Bh6 14.g4 Bf4 15.Qf3 Be6 16.Nxf4 exf4 17.Qxf4 Rb8 18.a3 a5 19.Be2 b4 20.axb4 axb4 21.Nd4 Ne5 22.Qg3 Bc4 23.Bxc4 Nxc4 24.b3 Ra8 25.Ke2 Ne5 26.c4 Re8 27.Nf5 Ra3 28.Rxa3 bxa3 29.Qc3 g6 30.Ne3 d5 31.Nxd5 Nxg4 32.f3 Ne5 33.Qc1 f5 34.Qg5 fxe4 35.fxe4 Qxg5 36.hxg5 Rb8 37.Nf6+ Kf8 38.Rxh7 Rxb3 39.Nd7+ Kg8 40.Nf6+ Kf8 41.Nd7+ -

The last move seems unlikely though as the ending is won for black after ...Nxd7 42.Rxd7 a2 43. Ra7 Rh3 with ...Rh1 to follow so I doubt whether move 41 was played.

Kevin Bonham
20-01-2009, 08:25 PM
The pointy end for tomorrow:

1 Smerdon, David C AUS 2463 [5] : Rozentalis, Eduardas LTU 2590 [5.5]
2 Dragicevic, Domagoj AUS 2205 [5] : Bischoff, Klaus GER 2545 [5]
3 Jones, Gawain ENG 2540 [4.5] : Chow, Samuel AUS 2267 [4.5]
4 Hecht, Hans-Joachim GER 2394 [4.5] : Johannessen, Leif Erlend NOR 2539 [4.5]
5 Wohl, Aleksander H AUS 2342 [4.5] : Johansen, Darryl K AUS 2455 [4.5]
6 Goldenberg, Igor AUS 2398 [4.5] : West, Guy AUS 2346 [4.5]
7 Ker, Anthony NZL 2321 [4.5] : van Delft, Merijn NED 2397 [4]

Mikhalevski and Mastrovasilis [5] are both having the day off.

chesstash
20-01-2009, 08:31 PM
Go Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d

Davidflude
20-01-2009, 10:40 PM
Rozentalis displayed excellent endgame technique once again!:clap:

I was looking at some Rozentalis games today. His opening repertoire as black is something else. I tried one of his pet lines and won with a sneaky combination that I would not have seen if it had not been previously played.

MichaelBaron
20-01-2009, 11:35 PM
Domagoi is on 5/6 and playing board2 :clap: :clap: :clap:

MichaelBaron
21-01-2009, 12:02 AM
What is this 'bye" business....two if the leaders are taking byes. more than Half of the top players have taken a bye by now...makes the tournament look funny.

Spiny Norman
21-01-2009, 05:57 AM
I presume its "sightseeing". New Zealand is a nice place for a holiday!

antichrist
21-01-2009, 07:24 AM
blah blah blah. If I say what I think I will convicted of trolling and be barred

MichaelBaron
21-01-2009, 09:53 AM
blah blah blah. If I say what I think I will convicted of trolling and be barred

Say it ;)

Watto
21-01-2009, 10:23 AM
I presume its "sightseeing". New Zealand is a nice place for a holiday!
Exactly right. It's beautiful here and the tournament has no rest day. Four of us spent the day walking along the Dart River and through the most wonderful forests yesterday (everything in the forest was covered with bright green moss.) The day before Rozentalis went to Milford Sound which is definitely not something you can accomplish in a morning. He said it was well worth it...

Davidflude
21-01-2009, 10:31 AM
What is this 'bye" business....two if the leaders are taking byes. more than Half of the top players have taken a bye by now...makes the tournament look funny.

This used to be common in tournaments in the USA. One US GM even recommended taking a bye or making a short draw about half way through a tournament as good tournament strategy.

BearDrinkingBeer
21-01-2009, 02:13 PM
Maybe I should start playing the French against higher rated opponents especially juniors.
Your suggested opening has arisen on two of the three live display boards at the moment. However, I am rather unfamiliar with these lines.

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Your suggested opening has arisen on two of the three live display boards at the moment. However, I am rather unfamiliar with these lines.

Domagoj's line is pretty unfamiliar itself; it's seldom seen and generally considered good for black.

In the Chow game, 7.Nge3 offers the Korchnoi Gambit which can be accepted with ...Qb6 8.0-0 cxd4 and then the black queen gets used as a football for most of the next ten moves. Or I'm familiar with declining by ...g6 on either move 7 or 8.

Apparently Chow's 7...Be7 is now the most common response and after 8.0-0 black will most often play either ...a5 or ...g5 as in the game. I haven't come across this before despite playing/studying the Closed Tarrasch a lot.

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2009, 04:09 PM
Smerdon thrashes Rozentalis (GM):

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.exd6 cxd6 6.Nc3 g6 7.Bd3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nge2 Bg7 10.0-0 a5 11.Be3 0-0 12.b3 a4 13.Bc2 axb3 14.axb3 Rxa1 15.Qxa1 Ng4 16.Bd4 e5 17.dxe6 Bxd4 18.Nxd4 fxe6 19.h3 Nxf2 20.Nde2 d5 21.Rxf2 Rxf2 22.Kxf2 d4 23.Ne4 d3 24.Bxd3 Qxd3 25.Qe5 Bd7 26.Nf4 Qc2+ 27.Kg1 Qxb3 28.Nxe6 Bxe6 29.Qxe6+ Kf8 30.Nd6 Qd1+ 31.Kh2 Qf1 32.Qe8+ Kg7 33.Qe7+ Kg8 34.Qd8+ 1-0

Adamski
21-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Congratualations to David Smerdon on a super GM scalp. IMO he played extremely well. Great use of the Knights.

Davidflude
21-01-2009, 04:50 PM
Domagoj's line is pretty unfamiliar itself; it's seldom seen and generally considered good for black.

As I pointed out in the shout box early in the game I have played the line in correspondence and got splattered.


In the Chow game, 7.Nge3 offers the Korchnoi Gambit which can be accepted with ...Qb6 8.0-0 cxd4 and then the black queen gets used as a football for most of the next ten moves. Or I'm familiar with declining by ...g6 on either move 7 or 8.

Apparently Chow's 7...Be7 is now the most common response and after 8.0-0 black will most often play either ...a5 or ...g5 as in the game. I haven't come across this before despite playing/studying the Closed Tarrasch a lot.

I will find some games with g5 and attach them as a PGN file

Davidflude
21-01-2009, 04:59 PM
I have found over 300 games with 8...g5 on the OpeningMaster database. This is too many to post here in my opinion

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2009, 05:11 PM
As I pointed out in the shout box early in the game I have played the line in correspondence and got splattered.

So you did; whoever it was who was being cynical about that (in terms of it being evidence of the badness of the line) should have showed your CC skills a lot more respect IMO.


Congratualations to David Smerdon on a super GM scalp. IMO he played extremely well. Great use of the Knights.

Yes. It's obvious that by move 19 black is already desperate (hence ...Nxf2 which was never going to fly). He's desperate at that point because he has three pawn islands and lots of passive pieces, while white has excellent control. Yet the alternative to allowing those three pawn islands is giving white a massive outpost, so black seems to have gone wrong somewhere quite early in the game and Smerdon hasn't given him a break.

Up til now, Rozentalis has been playing very strongly.

Davidflude
21-01-2009, 05:54 PM
So you did; whoever it was who was being cynical about that (in terms of it being evidence of the badness of the line) should have showed your CC skills a lot more respect IMO.



Yes. It's obvious that by move 19 black is already desperate (hence ...Nxf2 which was never going to fly). He's desperate at that point because he has three pawn islands and lots of passive pieces, while white has excellent control. Yet the alternative to allowing those three pawn islands is giving white a massive outpost, so black seems to have gone wrong somewhere quite early in the game and Smerdon hasn't given him a break.

Up til now, Rozentalis has been playing very strongly.

As Yermolinski said "When the trend is downwards do Something". Rozentalis obviously knew that he was in trouble and set out to confuse the issue. If the Smurf had not played really well he might have got away with it.

Some chess players do not have the bottle to do such things and get slowly ground into the dirt.

Desmond
21-01-2009, 06:05 PM
I don't recall anyone doubting David's assessment.

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2009, 06:47 PM
I don't recall anyone doubting David's assessment.

The comment was "David getting smashed in a particular line does not mean the line is bad". It appears from your response to it that you thought it was referring to David Smerdon.

Pointy end for tomorrow:

1 Bischoff, Klaus GER 2545 [6] : Smerdon, David C AUS 2463 [6]
2 Mikhalevski, Victor ISR 2608 [5.5] : Jones, Gawain ENG 2540 [5.5]
3 Rozentalis, Eduardas LTU 2590 [5.5] : Goldenberg, Igor AUS 2398 [5.5]
4 Mastrovasilis, Dimitrios GRE 2580 [5.5] : Wohl, Aleksander H AUS 2342 [5.5]
5 Johannessen, Leif Erlend NOR 2539 [5.5] : Wells, Peter ENG 2513 [5]
6 Motoc, Alina ROU 2358 [5] : Reilly, Tim AUS 2256 [5]
7 Dragicevic, Domagoj AUS 2205 [5] : Krivec, Jana SLO 2343 [5]
8 Shen, Daniel NZL 2098 [5] : Ker, Anthony NZL 2321 [5]
9 Brown, Andrew AUS 1987 [5] : Saw, Geoffrey AUS 2257 [5]

No more half-point byes and the two GMs who took round 7 off have nice tough games tomorrow.

Spiny Norman
21-01-2009, 08:32 PM
Go WATTO! Go WATTO!

52 Watson, Jean AUS 1504 [1.5] .5:.5 Kay, Bruce NZL 1862 [1.5]

Kevin Bonham
21-01-2009, 08:33 PM
Go WATTO! Go WATTO!

Her FIDE rating will surely be going up substantially, whatever happens in her remaining games.

BearDrinkingBeer
21-01-2009, 09:03 PM
Smerdon thrashes Rozentalis (GM):

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.exd6 cxd6 6.Nc3 g6 7.Bd3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Nge2 Bg7 10.0-0 a5 11.Be3 0-0 12.b3 a4 13.Bc2 axb3 14.axb3 Rxa1 15.Qxa1 Ng4 16.Bd4 e5 17.dxe6 Bxd4 18.Nxd4 fxe6 19.h3 Nxf2 20.Nde2 d5 21.Rxf2 Rxf2 22.Kxf2 d4 23.Ne4 d3 24.Bxd3 Qxd3 25.Qe5 Bd7 26.Nf4 Qc2+ 27.Kg1 Qxb3 28.Nxe6 Bxe6 29.Qxe6+ Kf8 30.Nd6 Qd1+ 31.Kh2 Qf1 32.Qe8+ Kg7 33.Qe7+ Kg8 34.Qd8+ 1-0
Rozentalis goes for the more ambitious option 5...cxd6. Instead, 5...exd6 would enter into a solid manoeuvring game. Smerdon's 7.Bd3 is a little unorthodox, (7.Be3 Bg7 8.Rc1 is popular) but it turns out good for him.

George Xie
21-01-2009, 09:29 PM
This is a good tournament, I wish I was there. Anyway, is there will be another Queenstown open in the future?

MichaelBaron
21-01-2009, 09:30 PM
Andrew Brown is amazing. Also, Sarah Anton is playing consistently above her rating :clap:

antichrist
21-01-2009, 09:32 PM
This is a good tournament, I wish I was there. Anyway, is there will be another Queenstown open in the future?

There has been for the past 2 years at least. We all expect so. I feel sorry that you win the Aust Open but so very close.

chesstash
21-01-2009, 10:51 PM
probly:hmm:

Bill Gletsos
21-01-2009, 10:58 PM
There has been for the past 2 years at least. We all expect so. I feel sorry that you win the Aust Open but so very close.No it hasnt been held in the past 2 years. It has been held in 2006 and 2009.

that Caesar guy
22-01-2009, 07:37 AM
probly:hmm:
probly? maybe probably is correct.
Really wish I was there too.

JM

ER
22-01-2009, 03:30 PM
As I notice from Closet Tournament GM's blog - continuous reporting :clap: provision of interesting details :clap: results :clap: completed games :clap: webcam :clap: etc, most male participants have their shirts hanging out of their trousers, in fact only a few have them properly tucked in!
On the other hand, most ladies seem to be well dressed and presented!

ER
22-01-2009, 04:00 PM
Back to chess now and has anyone ever seen a worse pawn formation than Black's in Bischoff vs Smerdon?:rolleyes:

Sally94
22-01-2009, 04:25 PM
I think White wasted too much time. In a won position, he's let black back into the game... It's complicated now

:)

Adamski
22-01-2009, 04:28 PM
I think White wasted too much time. In a won position, he's let black back into the game... It's complicated now

:)Yes. Smerf now has a passed pawn with a Rook behind it.

Capablanca-Fan
22-01-2009, 04:53 PM
I think White wasted too much time. In a won position, he's let black back into the game... It's complicated now
28. Rfe1 was bizarre; it was doing nothing there. White should have challenged the b-file with Rfb1 to try to stop Black's activity there. Black's weak Ps would have made a very difficult R endgame.

ER
22-01-2009, 04:54 PM
I think White wasted too much time. In a won position, he's let black back into the game... It's complicated now

:)

Hi Sally and congratulations for your GREAT performance in Adelaide!!! (Neither the first nor the last!!!) :clap: :clap: :clap:
Regards to everyone in the family!
Yes, it seems like Black dictates terms now! :)

Sally94
22-01-2009, 04:59 PM
Hi Sally and congratulations for your GREAT performance in Adelaide!!! (Neither the first nor the last!!!) :clap: :clap: :clap:
Regards to everyone in the family!
Yes, it seems like Black dictates terms now! :)

Thanks :)
Smerdons won now :owned: :owned:

Davidflude
22-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Great performance.

Did you see the latest club newsletter?

Are you playing the autumn Cup?

Are you playing the Doerberl Cup?

ER
22-01-2009, 05:22 PM
looks like a multiple question exam! :P

Sally94
22-01-2009, 05:24 PM
Great performance.

Did you see the latest club newsletter?

Thanks ,
Nope, i havn't ... why?



Are you playing the autumn Cup?

Probably... not sure yet.


Are you playing the Doerberl Cup?

Yep :)

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Back to chess now and has anyone ever seen a worse pawn formation than Black's in Bischoff vs Smerdon?:rolleyes:

Winning from that position is just disgusting. :)

The thing about bad pawns like that though, is they leave you lots of room to move your pieces.

According to TCG Smurf offered a draw after 38...h5 "because he said that the German looked like he was winning."

I wonder if that provoked Bischoff to play the extremely risky 39.Ree7 which was certainly a move I thought was not on when I was playing through the game.

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2009, 06:17 PM
Bischoff - Smerdon with a first attempt to make sense of the rook ending with computer assistance (this is all provisional, some lines are examples only, corrections or suggestions very welcome). It seems like the move immediately after the draw offer was indeed a critical error; Smurf was about -1 at the time.

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Bb4 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 c5 7.e3 0-0 8.Be2 Nbd7 9.Qc2 Qa5 10.0-0 Bxc3 11.bxc3 c4 12.Nd2 Re8 13.a4 h6 14.Bh4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Rxe4 16.Bg3 Nb6 17.Bd6 Re8 18.Bb4 Qa6 19.Bf3 Be6 20.a5 Nd7 21.e4 dxe4 22.Qxe4 Rab8 23.Qf4 Nf6 24.Qd6 Red8 25.Qxa6 bxa6 26.Be7 Rd7 27.Bxf6 gxf6 28.Rfe1 Rb2 29.g3 Rc2 30.Re3 Bd5 31.Bxd5 Rxd5 32.Rf3 Rd6 33.Kg2 Kg7 34.h4 Kg6 35.Rb1 Ra2 36.Rb7 Rc6 37.Rxa7 Rxa5 38.Re3 h5 Draw offer in a very dodgy position 39.Ree7? This throws away a large part of white's advantage, creating dangerous counterplay and giving black the Big Pawn (TM). [39.Ra8 Ra3 40.Rg8+ Kh7 41.Rd8 for instance and black's position is deeply unfavourable] 39...Ra3 40.Rxf7 Rxc3 41.Rh7 Rd3 42.Rag7+ Kf5 43.Rxh5+ Ke6 44.Rh8? [44.Rg6! and now if 44...c3? (44...Rc7 is drawish eg 45.Rhh6 (45.Ra5) 45...Rf7 46.Rg8 Rxd4) 45.Rxf6+!] 44...c3 45.Re8+ Kd5 [45...Kf5 may be stronger. The lines are very unclear and even with computer assistance it is hard to get a quick definitive verdict. Main line seems to run 46.f3 Rd2+ 47.Kh3 Rxd4 48.Kg2 and now there are some options which tend to lead to favourable but not clearly won positions for black eg 48...Rcc4 (48...Rd2+ 49.Kh3 Rd3 50.Kg2 Rc4 51.Rg4 Rxg4 52.fxg4+ Kxg4 53.Re4+ Kf5; 48...c2 49.g4+ Kf4 50.Rd7! Rcc4 51.Rxd4+ Rxd4 52.Rc8 Rd2+ 53.Kh3 Ke3 54.g5 fxg5 55.hxg5) 49.g4+ Kf4 50.Re6] 46.Re2? And now black appears to be lost [46.h5!! c2 47.h6 c1=Q and the black king is so exposed that black can do nothing but draw with two tempi, eg 48.h7 Qd1 49.h8=Q Qf3+ 50.Kh3 Qh1+ 51.Kg4 Rxd4+ 52.f4 Qd1+ 53.Kh3= , there are plenty of other drawing lines] 46...Rd2! 47.Rd7+ Kc4! 48.Re4 Rc8 [48...c2 49.d5+ Kb5! and black queens at the cost of a rook; because the black h-pawn survives it does not appear white has any hope to hold the rook v queen ending.] 49.d5+ [49.Re1!? a5! (White could hope for 49...c2?! 50.Rc1 Kd3 51.Rd6 Rd1 52.Rxc2 Rxc2 53.Rxa6 f5 54.Rf6 Ke4 55.Re6+ Kd5 56.Re5+ and I suspect that white can draw with the last black pawn eliminated.) 50.h5 c2 51.Rc1 Kd3 52.h6 Rd1 53.Rxc2 Kxc2 winning] 49...Kd3 50.Re3+ Kd4! White resigns 0-1

Davidflude
22-01-2009, 07:06 PM
Thanks ,
Nope, i havn't ... why?

I will send you a copy if you like.



Probably... not sure yet.



Yep :)

I hope that you are playing in the cup so that you get nine games.

Watto
22-01-2009, 07:31 PM
Go WATTO! Go WATTO!

52 Watson, Jean AUS 1504 [1.5] .5:.5 Kay, Bruce NZL 1862 [1.5]
Thanks :)

It's funny, something has clicked with me this tournament or perhaps it's the time limit (also I have spent an hour or two studying endgames while we've been here; maybe that's helped.) Four draws isn't too bad but now I'd like a win!

p.s. GO SMERDON!

Tony Dowden
22-01-2009, 09:39 PM
Bischoff - Smerdon with a first attempt to make sense of the rook ending with computer assistance

Thanks KB. This is very interesting analysis. I was especially impressed with the idea behind 39.Ra8! but with the minutes ticking down it is hardly surprising White missed it (GM or not).

It was astonishing seeing it all go pear-shaped for White in real time but strangely enough I think it was a much easier position for Black to play. His pawns were so bad he was completely dead unless he went for activity.

Doubling rooks on the seventh seemed intuitively wrong and I could only assume it was based on a miscalcuation (a phantom mate?). But then driving home from work I realised I had no idea what White could do instead. And by the time I arrived home David had managed to play a few (mainly) accurate moves in a row and he had won! Amazing stuff :clap: :clap:

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2009, 09:54 PM
Four draws isn't too bad but now I'd like a win!

Sounds like you drew again today in that case!


I was especially impressed with the idea behind 39.Ra8! but with the minutes ticking down it is hardly surprising White missed it (GM or not).

The more prosaic 39.Rd7 (same basic idea of bringing the d-pawn up but in less flashy and effective form) is also strong and heaps better than Ree7. 39.Rb7 (which was my instinctive first thought as an alternative when playing through the game) also can't be as bad as what was played.

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2009, 10:42 PM
Top pairings for round 9:

1 Smerdon, David C AUS 2463 [7] : Mastrovasilis, Dimitrios GRE 2580 [6.5]
2 Mikhalevski, Victor ISR 2608 [6.5] : Rozentalis, Eduardas LTU 2590 [6.5]
3 Reilly, Tim AUS 2256 [6] : Bischoff, Klaus GER 2545 [6]
4 Saw, Geoffrey AUS 2257 [6] : Johannessen, Leif Erlend NOR 2539 [6]
5 Jones, Gawain ENG 2540 [5.5] : Dragicevic, Domagoj AUS 2205 [6]
6 Wells, Peter ENG 2513 [5.5] : Chow, Samuel AUS 2267 [5.5]
7 Solomon, Stephen J AUS 2460 [5.5] : West, Guy AUS 2346 [5.5]
8 Ker, Anthony NZL 2321 [5.5] : Johansen, Darryl K AUS 2455 [5.5]
9 Goldenberg, Igor AUS 2398 [5.5] : Shen, Daniel NZL 2098 [5.5]
10 Wohl, Aleksander H AUS 2342 [5.5] : Van Riemsdijk, Herman BRA 2392 [5]

Alas I will not see the last two rounds live.

Mischa
22-01-2009, 10:47 PM
you will be dead?

MichaelBaron
22-01-2009, 10:48 PM
My friend Domagoi is keeping up the good work! :clap: He is on 6 points..and so is Jeff Saw. Very good tournaments for Victorians. Smurf is leading, Igor and Guy are both on 5.5:owned: - Half of the leading places are occupied by victorians

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2009, 10:50 PM
you will be dead?

I'll be dead OTB if it is as humid in Launceston as the last time I played there!

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2009, 10:51 PM
My friend Domagoi is keeping up the good work! :clap: He is on 6 points..and so is Jeff Saw.

Good bounce-back by Domagoi defeating Krivec after a bad game against the GM the day before.

Bereaved
22-01-2009, 11:09 PM
Hi Everyone,

Guess I will be the first to say that irrespective of his result tomorrow, Domagoj Dragicevic has achieved a nine game IM norm!! Congratulations Domagoj and many more to come

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

PS this is according to Charles Zworestine

MichaelBaron
22-01-2009, 11:13 PM
Hi Everyone,

Guess I will be the first to say that irrespective of his result tomorrow, Domagoj Dragicevic has achieved a nine game IM norm!! Congratulations Domagoj and many more to come

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

PS this is according to Charles Zworestine

This is facinatiing staff!!:clap: Next Time I play IM Dragicevic - he better give my time odds.

On a serious note, this is just great!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Garvinator
22-01-2009, 11:27 PM
Next Time I play IM Dragicevic
About 150 points premature me thinks ;)

paulb
23-01-2009, 01:18 AM
Bischoff - Smerdon with a first attempt to make sense of the rook ending with computer assistance (this is all provisional, some lines are examples only, corrections or suggestions very welcome). It seems like the move immediately after the draw offer was indeed a critical error; Smurf was about -1 at the time.

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Bb4 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 c5 7.e3 0-0 8.Be2 Nbd7 9.Qc2 Qa5 10.0-0 Bxc3 11.bxc3 c4 12.Nd2 Re8 13.a4 h6 14.Bh4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Rxe4 16.Bg3 Nb6 17.Bd6 Re8 18.Bb4 Qa6 19.Bf3 Be6 20.a5 Nd7 21.e4 dxe4 22.Qxe4 Rab8 23.Qf4 Nf6 24.Qd6 Red8 25.Qxa6 bxa6 26.Be7 Rd7 27.Bxf6 gxf6 28.Rfe1 Rb2 29.g3 Rc2 30.Re3 Bd5 31.Bxd5 Rxd5 32.Rf3 Rd6 33.Kg2 Kg7 34.h4 Kg6 35.Rb1 Ra2 36.Rb7 Rc6 37.Rxa7 Rxa5 38.Re3 h5 Draw offer in a very dodgy position 39.Ree7? This throws away a large part of white's advantage, creating dangerous counterplay and giving black the Big Pawn (TM). [39.Ra8 Ra3 40.Rg8+ Kh7 41.Rd8 for instance and black's position is deeply unfavourable] 39...Ra3 40.Rxf7 Rxc3 41.Rh7 Rd3 42.Rag7+ Kf5 43.Rxh5+ Ke6 44.Rh8? [44.Rg6! and now if 44...c3? (44...Rc7 is drawish eg 45.Rhh6 (45.Ra5) 45...Rf7 46.Rg8 Rxd4) 45.Rxf6+!] 44...c3 45.Re8+ Kd5 [45...Kf5 may be stronger. The lines are very unclear and even with computer assistance it is hard to get a quick definitive verdict. Main line seems to run 46.f3 Rd2+ 47.Kh3 Rxd4 48.Kg2 and now there are some options which tend to lead to favourable but not clearly won positions for black eg 48...Rcc4 (48...Rd2+ 49.Kh3 Rd3 50.Kg2 Rc4 51.Rg4 Rxg4 52.fxg4+ Kxg4 53.Re4+ Kf5; 48...c2 49.g4+ Kf4 50.Rd7! Rcc4 51.Rxd4+ Rxd4 52.Rc8 Rd2+ 53.Kh3 Ke3 54.g5 fxg5 55.hxg5) 49.g4+ Kf4 50.Re6] 46.Re2? And now black appears to be lost [46.h5!! c2 47.h6 c1=Q and the black king is so exposed that black can do nothing but draw with two tempi, eg 48.h7 Qd1 49.h8=Q Qf3+ 50.Kh3 Qh1+ 51.Kg4 Rxd4+ 52.f4 Qd1+ 53.Kh3= , there are plenty of other drawing lines] 46...Rd2! 47.Rd7+ Kc4! 48.Re4 Rc8 [48...c2 49.d5+ Kb5! and black queens at the cost of a rook; because the black h-pawn survives it does not appear white has any hope to hold the rook v queen ending.] 49.d5+ [49.Re1!? a5! (White could hope for 49...c2?! 50.Rc1 Kd3 51.Rd6 Rd1 52.Rxc2 Rxc2 53.Rxa6 f5 54.Rf6 Ke4 55.Re6+ Kd5 56.Re5+ and I suspect that white can draw with the last black pawn eliminated.) 50.h5 c2 51.Rc1 Kd3 52.h6 Rd1 53.Rxc2 Kxc2 winning] 49...Kd3 50.Re3+ Kd4! White resigns 0-1

Stupid question No 1: what does "TM" mean in the analysis? I've come across this before and been puzzled.

Spiny Norman
23-01-2009, 07:13 AM
It's funny, something has clicked with me this tournament or perhaps it's the time limit (also I have spent an hour or two studying endgames while we've been here; maybe that's helped.) Four draws isn't too bad but now I'd like a win!
Whatever it is, its working: bottle it ... bring some back with you ... I'll pay good money for results like that! :lol:

55 Brockman, Roland AUS 1786 [2] .5:.5 Watson, Jean AUS 1504 [2]

Good luck for today's round!

Davidflude
23-01-2009, 07:53 AM
Bischoff - Smerdon with a first attempt to make sense of the rook ending with computer assistance (this is all provisional, some lines are examples only, corrections or suggestions very welcome). It seems like the move immediately after the draw offer was indeed a critical error; Smurf was about -1 at the time.

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Bb4 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 c5 7.e3 0-0 8.Be2 Nbd7 9.Qc2 Qa5 10.0-0 Bxc3 11.bxc3 c4 12.Nd2 Re8 13.a4 h6 14.Bh4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Rxe4 16.Bg3 Nb6 17.Bd6 Re8 18.Bb4 Qa6 19.Bf3 Be6 20.a5 Nd7 21.e4 dxe4 22.Qxe4 Rab8 23.Qf4 Nf6 24.Qd6 Red8 25.Qxa6 bxa6 26.Be7 Rd7 27.Bxf6 gxf6 28.Rfe1 Rb2 29.g3 Rc2 30.Re3 Bd5 31.Bxd5 Rxd5 32.Rf3 Rd6 33.Kg2 Kg7 34.h4 Kg6 35.Rb1 Ra2 36.Rb7 Rc6 37.Rxa7 Rxa5 38.Re3 h5 Draw offer in a very dodgy position 39.Ree7? This throws away a large part of white's advantage, creating dangerous counterplay and giving black the Big Pawn (TM). [39.Ra8 Ra3 40.Rg8+ Kh7 41.Rd8 for instance and black's position is deeply unfavourable] 39...Ra3 40.Rxf7 Rxc3 41.Rh7 Rd3 42.Rag7+ Kf5 43.Rxh5+ Ke6 44.Rh8? [44.Rg6! and now if 44...c3? (44...Rc7 is drawish eg 45.Rhh6 (45.Ra5) 45...Rf7 46.Rg8 Rxd4) 45.Rxf6+!] 44...c3 45.Re8+ Kd5 [45...Kf5 may be stronger. The lines are very unclear and even with computer assistance it is hard to get a quick definitive verdict. Main line seems to run 46.f3 Rd2+ 47.Kh3 Rxd4 48.Kg2 and now there are some options which tend to lead to favourable but not clearly won positions for black eg 48...Rcc4 (48...Rd2+ 49.Kh3 Rd3 50.Kg2 Rc4 51.Rg4 Rxg4 52.fxg4+ Kxg4 53.Re4+ Kf5; 48...c2 49.g4+ Kf4 50.Rd7! Rcc4 51.Rxd4+ Rxd4 52.Rc8 Rd2+ 53.Kh3 Ke3 54.g5 fxg5 55.hxg5) 49.g4+ Kf4 50.Re6] 46.Re2? And now black appears to be lost [46.h5!! c2 47.h6 c1=Q and the black king is so exposed that black can do nothing but draw with two tempi, eg 48.h7 Qd1 49.h8=Q Qf3+ 50.Kh3 Qh1+ 51.Kg4 Rxd4+ 52.f4 Qd1+ 53.Kh3= , there are plenty of other drawing lines] 46...Rd2! 47.Rd7+ Kc4! 48.Re4 Rc8 [48...c2 49.d5+ Kb5! and black queens at the cost of a rook; because the black h-pawn survives it does not appear white has any hope to hold the rook v queen ending.] 49.d5+ [49.Re1!? a5! (White could hope for 49...c2?! 50.Rc1 Kd3 51.Rd6 Rd1 52.Rxc2 Rxc2 53.Rxa6 f5 54.Rf6 Ke4 55.Re6+ Kd5 56.Re5+ and I suspect that white can draw with the last black pawn eliminated.) 50.h5 c2 51.Rc1 Kd3 52.h6 Rd1 53.Rxc2 Kxc2 winning] 49...Kd3 50.Re3+ Kd4! White resigns 0-1

Hi all I have done some work on this analysis but have a lot more to do.

Just a few points

39 Ree7 was not the best move for white but white was still winning. The big mistake came later. 44. Rh8 was the big error. Furthermore white has a much stronger move than 44.Rg6.

I have to have my two yearly eye test later today and cannot drive and have an hour long walk each way. So I will not post my ideas until tomorrow.

On hint. Both players were running short of time. White did not understand what his plan should have been in the position.

What should have been white's plan?

Why would a talented inexperienced junior have been more likely to find it than an experienced Grandmaster? *That is a really big hint to help you find the idea.

Adamski
23-01-2009, 08:32 AM
Anyone know what would be a GM norm for Smerdon? He looks to be in with a good show.

Ian Rout
23-01-2009, 08:38 AM
Anyone know what would be a GM norm for Smerdon? He looks to be in with a good show.
No doubt he is, but he already has three norms so it doesn't matter. He needs to get his rating to 2500.

Spiny Norman
23-01-2009, 08:39 AM
Hi Adamski ... not sure what the norm qualification is ... but he already has the 3 he needs, so he's hunting for rating points now (needs to get to 2500 I believe to get the title).

Re: DF's question above about "what is the correct plan for White"? ... I'm guessing at "passed pawns must be pushed ... so should he have placed a rook on d2 behind his passed pawn? He already has his other rook behind Black's passed a-pawn, so that seems ideal as a defensive posting.

Adamski
23-01-2009, 08:44 AM
No doubt he is, but he already has three norms so it doesn't matter. He needs to get his rating to 2500.Ta, Ian. 37 points (and holding the 2500 for the required period I assume) should not take him too long at his current rate of progress. Here's hoping.

ER
23-01-2009, 08:46 AM
Anyone know what would be a GM norm for Smerdon? He looks to be in with a good show.

In a discussion earlier this morning I was told that if David beats Dimitri (*) tonight (the Greeks see this game as an interesting Aus/Hellenic derby) he has good chances to the rating required to achieve the GM title
Is that the case?

(*) Their odds are: Dimitri to win 40%, Draw 35%, David to win 25%

PS There is extensive coverage of the event in the Greek Chess Media with references to Closet GM's Blog and of course the beauty of Queenstown!

Adamski
23-01-2009, 08:49 AM
In a discussion earlier this morning I was told that if David beats Dimitri (*) tonight (the Greeks see this game as an interesting Aus/Hellenic derby) he has good chances to get closer to GM norm.
Is that the case?

(*) Their odds are: Dimitri to win 40%, Draw 35%, David to win 25%I would give David better odds - he is white. I assume a draw would not help him get to 2500 so maybe he will be after blood.

Ian Rout
23-01-2009, 09:15 AM
Ta, Ian. 37 points (and holding the 2500 for the required period I assume) should not take him too long at his current rate of progress. Here's hoping.I believe he merely needs to have had 2500 at any point, not necessarily published or even at the end of a tournament. This can be demonstrated as the FIDE system works incrementally. Other more knowledgeable people may be able to confirm or correct that.

Desmond
23-01-2009, 09:42 AM
On hint. Both players were running short of time. White did not understand what his plan should have been in the position.

What should have been white's plan?

Why would a talented inexperienced junior have been more likely to find it than an experienced Grandmaster? *That is a really big hint to help you find the idea.
I guess my plan would be to push the d-pawn. 40.d5 looks ok at first sight. Having the rooks doubled on the 7th rank will allow the white rook to be challenged in case of 40...Rd6 with 41.Rd7.

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2009, 09:51 AM
Stupid question No 1: what does "TM" mean in the analysis? I've come across this before and been puzzled.

Trademark. It's a joke.

As distinct from TN (Theoretical Novelty).


Guess I will be the first to say that irrespective of his result tomorrow, Domagoj Dragicevic has achieved a nine game IM norm!! Congratulations Domagoj and many more to come

Brilliant!


I believe he merely needs to have had 2500 at any point, not necessarily published or even at the end of a tournament.

I haven't checked but this is also my memory of how it works.

Bill Gletsos
23-01-2009, 11:12 AM
In a discussion earlier this morning I was told that if David beats Dimitri (*) tonight (the Greeks see this game as an interesting Aus/Hellenic derby) he has good chances to the rating required to achieve the GM title
Is that the case?

(*) Their odds are: Dimitri to win 40%, Draw 35%, David to win 25%

PS There is extensive coverage of the event in the Greek Chess Media with references to Closet GM's Blog and of course the beauty of Queenstown!Davids current rating is 2463 so he is 37 points short of the required 2500.

So far in queenstown he has gained 23.15 points after 8 rounds.
If he beats Dimitrios today then he will have 29.75 points.

By my calculations he cannot get to 2500 even if he wins today and tomorrow as he would need to play at least a 2592 in the last round and there is no such opponent available.

Bill Gletsos
23-01-2009, 11:14 AM
I believe he merely needs to have had 2500 at any point, not necessarily published or even at the end of a tournament.This is correct.
If FIDE did not allow this and required it to be a published rating then as soon as a player reached the required rating in an event they would simply withdraw from the event and not enter any further events in the rating period.

pax
23-01-2009, 11:19 AM
I believe he merely needs to have had 2500 at any point, not necessarily published or even at the end of a tournament. This can be demonstrated as the FIDE system works incrementally. Other more knowledgeable people may be able to confirm or correct that.

This is correct. A mid-tournament rating is sufficient. I suppose the reasoning is to prevent players from withdrawing from tournaments in order to preserve a rating for title purposes.

My calculations are that David has earned just over 20 rating points so far, so he will need another big tournament to squeeze over the 2500 mark. A classy result though.

pax
23-01-2009, 11:20 AM
This is correct.

This is correct.
:doh: :doh:

Bill Gletsos
23-01-2009, 11:23 AM
:doh: :doh:;)

Garvinator
23-01-2009, 11:37 AM
Snap

Ian Murray
23-01-2009, 11:47 AM
Davids current rating is 2463 so he is 37 points short of the required 2500.

So far in queenstown he has gained 23.15 points after 8 rounds.
If he beats Dimitrios today then he will have 29.75 points.
Hi Bill

As far as ratings are concerned, you're the Man! However I can't replicate your +23.15 so far

Av rating of opponents is 2387 (Rd 1 player's rating adjusted from 2007 to 2113, i.e. -350 max below David), so scoring probability (Pd) = 0.6, Expected score = 0.6 x 8 = 4.8. Actual score = 7, +2.2 Rating gain = 2.2 x K(10) = 22

Rating calculator at www.aeroflotchess.com/echessbook/products/prod0021.htm agrees - see attached

So what am I missing?

Ian Murray
23-01-2009, 11:54 AM
I just saw your shouts at 11:32, which might make a difference :)

Desmond
23-01-2009, 12:01 PM
I just saw your shouts at 11:32, which might make a difference :)Are you trying to confuse the mexicans, Ian? ;)

[23-01-2009 11:32 AM] Bill Gletsos: BTW for all those doing fide rating adjustments for Smerdon - remember FIDE now does it on a game by game basis and not based on average of opponents ratings

Since when?

Bill Gletsos
23-01-2009, 12:27 PM
Hi Bill

As far as ratings are concerned, you're the Man! However I can't replicate your +23.15 so farActually due to FIDE only working to two decimal places on expected percentages their calculation only gives 23.1.

Av rating of opponents is 2387 (Rd 1 player's rating adjusted from 2007 to 2113, i.e. -350 max below David), so scoring probability (Pd) = 0.6, Expected score = 0.6 x 8 = 4.8. Actual score = 7, +2.2 Rating gain = 2.2 x K(10) = 22

Rating calculator at www.aeroflotchess.com/echessbook/products/prod0021.htm agrees - see attached

So what am I missing?FIDE no longer use averages but calculate based on individual games.


opp rating expected actual rating points
rating diff score - expected
2113 350 0.89 0.11 1.1
2219 244 0.81 0.19 1.9
2260 203 0.76 0.24 2.4
2608 -145 0.30 0.20 2.0
2513 -50 0.43 0.07 0.7
2247 216 0.78 0.22 2.2
2590 -127 0.33 0.67 6.7
2545 -82 0.39 0.61 6.1
Total = 23.1

bobby1972
23-01-2009, 02:10 PM
well done Domagoj :clap:

ER
23-01-2009, 02:35 PM
Davids current rating is 2463 so he is 37 points short of the required 2500.

So far in queenstown he has gained 23.15 points after 8 rounds.
If he beats Dimitrios today then he will have 29.75 points.

By my calculations he cannot get to 2500 even if he wins today and tomorrow as he would need to play at least a 2592 in the last round and there is no such opponent available.

Thanks Bill!

MichaelBaron
23-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Smerdon is incredible!:clap:

BearDrinkingBeer
23-01-2009, 09:23 PM
Smerdon is incredible!:clap:
Yes, he has outplayed someone more than 100 points above him.

chesstash
23-01-2009, 09:25 PM
Go Smerdon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d :d :d :d
He Is Surely Gonna Get A Grand Master Title:d :d :d
:d :d
:d

Basil
23-01-2009, 09:33 PM
;)
;)

chesstash
23-01-2009, 09:40 PM
;)
:D :D

Basil
23-01-2009, 09:41 PM
:D :D
:D :D

chesstash
23-01-2009, 09:44 PM
:D :D
:D :D :D

chesstash
23-01-2009, 09:45 PM
:D :D :D
:D :D :D :D

BearDrinkingBeer
23-01-2009, 09:47 PM
:D :D :D :D
Yes, anyway, I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this result as well:
4 Saw, Geoffrey AUS 2257 [6] .5:.5 Johannessen, Leif Erlend NOR 2539 [6]

chesstash
23-01-2009, 09:49 PM
Yes, anyway, I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this result as well:
4 Saw, Geoffrey AUS 2257 [6] .5:.5 Johannessen, Leif Erlend NOR 2539 [6]
:D :D :D :D :D
Smerdon is the best

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:15 PM
Is it usual for a player to play "down" twice in a row?

chesstash
23-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Is it usual for a player to play "down" twice in a row?
dont know

Oepty
23-01-2009, 10:44 PM
Is it usual for a player to play "down" twice in a row?

It is sometimes unavoidable.
Do you have a particular case in mind?
Scott

Bill Gletsos
23-01-2009, 10:45 PM
It is sometimes unavoidable.
Do you have a particular case in mind?
ScottThis was just discussed in the shoutbox.

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:45 PM
Bill expalined the last round thing

Mischa
23-01-2009, 10:46 PM
snap

Oepty
23-01-2009, 10:58 PM
This was just discussed in the shoutbox.

Okay, don't read the shoutbox much.
Scott

Mischa
23-01-2009, 11:00 PM
wise

MichaelBaron
23-01-2009, 11:03 PM
Many australians appear to be playing well above their ratings!

Metro
24-01-2009, 01:07 AM
Thanks :)

It's funny, something has clicked with me this tournament or perhaps it's the time limit (also I have spent an hour or two studying endgames while we've been here; maybe that's helped.) Four draws isn't too bad but now I'd like a win!

p.s. GO SMERDON!
Good on you,Jean:clap: Study is paying off:) Modest too:D

Metro
24-01-2009, 01:10 AM
My friend Domagoi is keeping up the good work! :clap: He is on 6 points..and so is Jeff Saw. Very good tournaments for Victorians. Smurf is leading, Igor and Guy are both on 5.5:owned: - Half of the leading places are occupied by victorians
Domagoj will be very happy:clap:

Garrett
24-01-2009, 06:54 AM
I don't know David's personality but there must be a temptation just to draw today seeing as

A/ He's Black against another higher rated young GM.
B/ A half point will assure outright first.
C/ He can't get the required rating points.
D/ He can't get a picket fence.

Although having said all that by the openings he plays he there could well be a fight on.

fight, fight, fight
ha haha
Cheers
Garrett.

Spiny Norman
24-01-2009, 06:56 AM
Watto's on fire ... she got that win she was after:

55 Watson, Jean AUS 1504 [2.5] 1:0 Cooper, Nigel NZL 1872 [2]

Go WATTO! Go WATTO!!!

Garrett
24-01-2009, 06:58 AM
Watto's on fire ... she got that win she was after:

55 Watson, Jean AUS 1504 [2.5] 1:0 Cooper, Nigel NZL 1872 [2]

Go WATTO! Go WATTO!!!

yes well done Watto !

Nice tough game against Rebecca Harris today.

Davidflude
24-01-2009, 08:25 AM
Aussies are going well. Domigoy was right up with the leaders until he lost his last game. As for Geoff Saw he is having a tremendous tournament. I think that he is a little unlucky being paired downwards and getting Darryl.

Go the Smurf.

chesstash
24-01-2009, 09:10 AM
smerdon is the best,,,he should get a grandmaster norm:D

chesstash
24-01-2009, 09:18 AM
Aussies are going well. Domigoy was right up with the leaders until he lost his last game. As for Geoff Saw he is having a tremendous tournament. I think that he is a little unlucky being paired downwards and getting Darryl.

Go the Smurf.
jefrey is doing well:D
GO AUSSIES!!!!!!!!:D

antichrist
24-01-2009, 09:56 AM
the Victorians are trying to play catch-up, the Aussie Open was won by NSW men

that Caesar guy
24-01-2009, 10:36 AM
the Victorians are trying to play catch-up, the Aussie Open was won by NSW men
Whoa, hold it right there :hand: !
What's there to catch up on, we're naturally better!
Just look at Eugene's results, and I haven't done that bad either.
Cedric just won the Aus Juniors as well, beat Yi in the play-off.
Dragicevic and Saw are doing very well in Queenstown as well.
Conclusion: Victoria are better! :owned:

JM

Denis_Jessop
24-01-2009, 11:41 AM
smerdon is the best,,,he should get a grandmaster norm:D

He already has three GM norms. What he needs is to get his rating to 2500 FIDE whereupon he becomes a GM as his entitlement subject to achieving 2500 FIDE has already been recognised by FIDE.

DJ

chesstash
24-01-2009, 12:37 PM
He already has three GM norms. What he needs is to get his rating to 2500 FIDE whereupon he becomes a GM as his entitlement subject to achieving 2500 FIDE has already been recognised by FIDE.

DJ
I know that, I saw that on the internet,,,,,,
he just needs to get that rating over 2500:lol:

Elwood Bendigo
24-01-2009, 06:22 PM
So I assume Smerdon has won queenstown?

:clap:

Tony_Chow
24-01-2009, 07:08 PM
Congratulations to Igor Goldenberg, who has secured his 3rd IM norm and enough rating points for his IM title, from this Tournament. :clap:

IM David Smerdon has won the Tournament outright, on 8/10; collecting NZ$10,000 as a prize. :clap: He still needs a few more rating points to reach 2500 before his GM title. The Doeberl 2009 should facilitate that final hurdle.

Dragicevic and Sam finished equal 3rd, with GM Johansen and IM Wohl; on 7/10. The former two achieved an IM norm in the process.

Goughfather
24-01-2009, 07:14 PM
No wonder nobody has been talking about GM norms. I had no idea that Smerdon had already secured three.

Anyone in the know how close this tournament will get him to the 2500 mark?

Garvinator
24-01-2009, 07:31 PM
Anyone in the know how close this tournament will get him to the 2500 mark?I take it you have not bothered to read any of the last forty or so posts, cause if you had you would already know the answer.

I suggest you go back and do some reading.

pax
24-01-2009, 08:02 PM
Dragicevic and Sam finished equal 3rd, with GM Johansen and IM Wohl; on 7/10. The former two achieved an IM norm in the process.

Try =8th, but a great performance nonetheless.

Oepty
24-01-2009, 08:39 PM
I take it you have not bothered to read any of the last forty or so posts, cause if you had you would already know the answer.

I suggest you go back and do some reading.

A bit harsh Garvin. The calculations in this thread say nothing about how many points his loss to Jones today impacts his rating gain.
Scott

Leonid Sandler
24-01-2009, 08:57 PM
With two days to go before Australia Day our chess players performed very well in New Zealand.
Fantastic performance by GM elect David Smerdon who in a process of changing a bit his opening repertuare.No doubts he will get his 10 odd Elo rating points very soon.
Well done David!
It was nice to see Igor Goldenberg make his final International Master norm -an excellent present to his birthday(Igor turned 40 mid January).Well deserved result!
For the last 20 years we have 4 new IMs in Victoria(G.West,L.Sandler,M.Rujevic,I.Goldenberg). Hopefully next 20 years will be more productive.
Sam Chow and Domagoi Dragicevic who made IM norms in New Zealand showed that they are capable getting coveted IM title in not to distant future.
Canberra junior Andrew Brown also make IM norm which was an excellent effort!
Well done aussies!

Bill Gletsos
24-01-2009, 09:15 PM
No wonder nobody has been talking about GM norms. I had no idea that Smerdon had already secured three.

Anyone in the know how close this tournament will get him to the 2500 mark?He gained 25.8 points from Queenstown.
He needs another 11.2 points to get to 2500.

MichaelBaron
24-01-2009, 09:44 PM
Domagoi is my superhero :clap:

Also congratulations to Igor and Sam:clap:

chesstash
24-01-2009, 10:53 PM
OMG
Smerdon won the tourny!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

Metro
24-01-2009, 11:20 PM
It was nice to see Igor Goldenberg make his final International Master norm -an excellent present to his birthday(Igor turned 40 mid January).Well deserved result!

Well done to Igor,you deserve the title:clap:

Garrett
25-01-2009, 06:25 AM
Well done to David, Igor, and everyone who acheived norms !!

Cheers
Garrett.

Spiny Norman
25-01-2009, 07:07 AM
+1 from me ... wonderful to see Igor achieve such a great milestone!

Tony Dowden
25-01-2009, 07:34 AM
Congratulations to Igor Goldenberg, who has secured his 3rd IM norm and enough rating points for his IM title, from this Tournament. :clap:

Hey, congratulations Igor! :clap: :clap: :clap:

When you beat me at the Doeberl Cup last year I was quite surprised to discover you weren't an IM yet - it certainly felt like I'd been worked over by an IM :eek:

PS 40 isn't all that old ...

Desmond
25-01-2009, 07:41 AM
Congrats IM Goldenberg!

BearDrinkingBeer
25-01-2009, 08:11 AM
Canberra junior Andrew Brown also make IM norm which was an excellent effort!
Wow, nice!

The final standings can be found at http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/crosstable.htm.

antichrist
25-01-2009, 08:29 AM
Why is it left up to Antichrist to call a spade, admit it, smurf played terrible in that last game, chess is like boxing, you must have defense as well as attack, he left his king exposed, his rook idle to late in game (both due to not castling). Maybe he could have protected pawn base with rook to rank 7 instead of ineffective queen moves. When sacking (exchanging) rook for knight meant nothing, further isolated king. Maybe he was just too tired

Davidflude
25-01-2009, 10:23 AM
Why is it left up to Antichrist to call a spade, admit it, smurf played terrible in that last game, chess is like boxing, you must have defense as well as attack, he left his king exposed, his rook idle to late in game (both due to not castling). Maybe he could have protected pawn base with rook to rank 7 instead of ineffective queen moves. When sacking (exchanging) rook for knight meant nothing, further isolated king. Maybe he was just too tired

It was a dead rubber. Smurf must have had a reaction after winning the tournament with a round to spare. There is a history of AFL sides losing a game just before the finals and then going on to win the flag.

Well done Smurf.

Basil
25-01-2009, 11:15 AM
Gunner luvs Igor.

Goughfather
25-01-2009, 02:23 PM
He gained 25.8 points from Queenstown.
He needs another 11.2 points to get to 2500.

Thanks Bill.

Just out of interest, I'm guessing that the FIDE ratings have some sort of incorporated "k" factor, just like the ACF ratings? I know David's obviously played a lot of FIDE rated games, but looking at your calculation a few pages back, it seemed like the FIDE rating system is much less responsive to results than the ACF system.

Ian Murray
25-01-2009, 02:48 PM
Thanks Bill.

Just out of interest, I'm guessing that the FIDE ratings have some sort of incorporated "k" factor, just like the ACF ratings? I know David's obviously played a lot of FIDE rated games, but looking at your calculation a few pages back, it seemed like the FIDE rating system is much less responsive to results than the ACF system.
K=10 for 2400+ players - extra rating points have to be really earned

Bill Gletsos
25-01-2009, 03:04 PM
K=10 for 2400+ players - extra rating points have to be really earnedActually it is a K of 10 for anyone who has ever had a 2400 rating even if their current rating is now below 2400.

Bill Gletsos
25-01-2009, 03:04 PM
Thanks Bill.

Just out of interest, I'm guessing that the FIDE ratings have some sort of incorporated "k" factor, just like the ACF ratings? I know David's obviously played a lot of FIDE rated games, but looking at your calculation a few pages back, it seemed like the FIDE rating system is much less responsive to results than the ACF system.Correct.

Under the FIDE system any player who ever gets a published rating of 2400 or higher and a total of at least 30 games then they have a lifetime K factor of 10 from then on even if their rating subsequently drops below 2400.
The K factor is 15 for a player below 2400 who have never had a rating of 2400.
For players new to the rating list with less than 30 games it is K factor of 25.

A few years back Jeff Sonas suggested that a far better K factor for all players would have been 24. In fact he showed that any K factor greater than 10 and even up to 40 was better than a K of 10. It also appears that K factors greater than 15 and up to about 35 are better than a K of 15.

Capablanca-Fan
25-01-2009, 03:11 PM
It was a dead rubber. Smurf must have had a reaction after winning the tournament with a round to spare. There is a history of AFL sides losing a game just before the finals and then going on to win the flag.

Well done Smurf.
Indeed. He would hardly be the first player to lose some motivation once the tournament is in the bag. Botvinnik lost his first game to Keres after he'd won the 1948 World Championship Match Tournament with rounds to spare.

Spiny Norman
25-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Gunner luvs Igor.
Tart!

CameronD
25-01-2009, 03:56 PM
Technically, if a players rating drops below 1400, then they are treated as unrated and the whole process starts from beginning.




Correct.

Under the FIDE system any player who ever gets a published rating of 2400 or higher and a total of at least 30 games then they have a lifetime K factor of 10 from then on even if their rating subsequently drops below 2400.
The K factor is 15 for a player below 2400 who have never had a rating of 2400.
For players new to the rating list with less than 30 games it is K factor of 25.

A few years back Jeff Sonas suggested that a far better K factor for all players would have been 24. In fact he showed that any K factor greater than 10 and even up to 40 was better than a K of 10. It also appears that K factors greater than 15 and up to about 35 are better than a K of 15.

Capablanca-Fan
25-01-2009, 04:16 PM
A few years back Jeff Sonas suggested that a far better K factor for all players would have been 24. In fact he showed that any K factor greater than 10 and even up to 40 was better than a K of 10. It also appears that K factors greater than 15 and up to about 35 are better than a K of 15.
How good is Sonas' "chessmetrics" system?

Tony Dowden
25-01-2009, 05:05 PM
Congratulations to IM Anthony Ker who has apparently won the 2009 NZ championship title. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Does anyone know how many NZ title wins Ker has now? (Maybe six?)

Bill Gletsos
25-01-2009, 05:10 PM
Technically, if a players rating drops below 1400, then they are treated as unrated and the whole process starts from beginning.So what.
It is has little relevance to the K factor discussion.

CameronD
25-01-2009, 05:19 PM
So what.
It is has little relevance to the K factor discussion.

well the k factor would be reset to 25 once the player has established a new starting rating. So the k of 10 is theritical not set for life.

Kevin Bonham
25-01-2009, 11:02 PM
It is great to see so many players getting IM norms in this event - especially amazing when one of the players getting an IM norm is not yet that high-rated (Andrew Brown.)

Congratulations Igor!

What is Igor's situation as regards needed ratings points? I assume he is well within striking distance.