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Bill Gletsos
03-09-2008, 03:20 PM
The Category XXII Bilbao Grand Slam is on from 1st-13th September 2008.
The event is a double round robin and the 6 players are:
Viswanathan Anand 2798
Levon Aronian 2737
Magnus Carlsen 2775
Vasily Ivanchuk 2781
Teimour Radjabov 2744
Veselin Topalov 2777

The average rating is 2769.

The time limit is 90 minutes for the first 40 moves and another 60 minutes to finish the game.

The players will score three points for a win, one point for a draw and zero points for a loss. The players are not allowed to agree to a draw without arbiter´s permission.

The prize fund is:
1st place: 150.000 €
2nd place: 70.000 €
3rd place: 60.000 €
4th place: 50.000 €
5th place: 40.000 €
6th place: 30.000 €

Tiebreak are as follows:

If two players tie for first, they´ll play a blitz match immediately after the last round finishes. They´ll play two games at the rate of all the moves in 4 minutes add-on 3 seconds for each move from the first, alternating colors, which shall be decided for the first game by draw. If this match is tied, they shall play a one game Armageddon (sudden death), White will have 5 minutes and Black 4, in the case of a draw Black wins first place. This game´s colors shall be decided by draw. If more than two players tie for first, only the two first classified players according to the systems listed bellow shall play the match.

In case of tie for third to sixth places, the following tie-breaks will be applied:
1. Traditional scoring. Players get one point for each game won and 0.5 points for each game in draw.
2. Particular result (based on traditional scoring).
3. Koya system (based on traditional scoring).
4. Sonneborn-Berger (based on traditional scoring)

Ivanchuk_Fan
03-09-2008, 03:50 PM
Round 1 Results:

Aronian-Carlsen 0-3 (Symmetrical English)
Anand-Ivanchuk 1-1 (Marshall Gambit)
Radjabov-Topalov 1-1 (Scotch Game)

Kevin Bonham
03-09-2008, 03:57 PM
Is this unrated on account of the scoring system?

Bill Gletsos
03-09-2008, 04:06 PM
Is this unrated on account of the scoring system?Using a scoring system other than the traditional 1, 0.5, 0 is permitted under Article 11.1 of the FIDE Laws of Chess and the FIDE rating regulations simply say the FIDE Laws of Chess must apply.

As such it would seem it can be FIDE rated.

Bill Gletsos
03-09-2008, 04:10 PM
Aronian - Carlsen Round 1

1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e6 5.g3 Bb4+ 6.Nd2 Nc6 7.Nc2 Be7 8.Bg2 0–0 9.0–0 Rb8 10.Ne4 b5 11.cxb5 Rxb5 12.Nd6 Bxd6 13.Qxd6 Bb7 14.Na3 Rb6 15.Be3 Rxb2 16.Bc5 Re8 17.Rab1 Rxb1 18.Rxb1 Ba6 19.Nb5 Bxb5 20.Rxb5 Qc8 21.a4 h6 22.Ba3 Qa6 23.Bb2 Qxa4 24.Bxc6 dxc6 25.Rb4 Qa5 26.Bxf6 gxf6 27.Rg4+ Kh7 28.Qxc6 Rd8 29.Qc2+ f5 30.Ra4 Qe1+ 31.Kg2 Rd1 32.Qc7 Kg6 33.Kf3 Qh1+ 34.Ke3 Ra1 35.Qc2 Rxa4 36.Qxa4 Qc1+ 37.Kf3 Qc3+ 38.Kg2 a5 39.g4 Qe5 40.gxf5+ Kxf5 41.Qe8 Kg6 42.Qf8 a4 43.e3 Qe4+ 44.Kg3 Qd3 45.h4 a3 46.Kh2 Qf5 47.Qxa3 Qxf2+ 48.Kh3 Qf3+ 49.Kh2 Kh5 50.Qf8 Qf2+ 51.Kh1 Kg4 0–1

Bill Gletsos
03-09-2008, 04:11 PM
Anand - Ivanchuk Round 1

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0–0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0–0 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Nd2 Re6 18.Qf1 Qh5 19.f3 Rf6 20.Qe2 Bxf3 21.Nxf3 Rxf3 22.Bxd5 Qxd5 23.Bf2 Rf6 24.b3 Qf5 25.Rad1 h5 26.Rd3 h4 27.Re3 Rg6 28.c4 hxg3 29.hxg3 bxc4 30.bxc4 c5 31.Qf3 Qh3 32.Qg2 Qd7 33.dxc5 Bxc5 34.Re4 Qc7 35.Kh2 Rh6+ 36.Kg1 Rf6 37.Be3 Rd8 38.Kh2 Bxe3 39.R4xe3 Rh6+ 40.Kg1 Qc5 41.Qf2 Qh5 42.Qg2 Rd2 43.Re8+ Kh7 44.R8e2 Qc5+ 45.Qf2 Rxe2 46.Rxe2 Qxc4 47.Qf5+ g6 48.Qe4 Qc5+ 49.Kg2 Rh5 50.Rc2 Qb6 51.Rd2 Rb5 52.a4 Rb4 53.Qe7 Qc6+ 54.Kh2 Rb7 55. Qh4+ Kg7 56. Qd4+ f6 57. a5 g5 58. Qd5 Qb5 ˝–˝

Bill Gletsos
03-09-2008, 04:12 PM
Radjabov - Topalov Round 1

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.e5 Qe7 7.Qe2 Nd5 8.Nd2 a5 9.c4 Nb6 10.Qe4 d5 11.exd6 cxd6 12.Be2 Qxe4 13.Nxe4 Be6 14.c5 dxc5 15.Be3 Nd5 16.Bxc5 Nf4 17.Bxf8 Kxf8 18.g3 Nxe2 19.Kxe2 Re8 20.f3 Bd5 21.Kf2 Bxe4 22.fxe4 Rxe4 23.Rac1 Ke7 24.Rxc6 Rd8 25.Rc2 Rd5 26.Rhc1 Rf5+ 27.Kg2 h5 28.Rc7+ Kf6 29.R1c6+ Re6 30.b3 g5 31.Rxe6+ fxe6 32.Rc2 Ke7 33.Rd2 g4 34.h3 gxh3+ 35.Kxh3 Kf6 36.g4 hxg4+ 37.Kxg4 Rb5 38.Kf4 a4 39.bxa4 Ra5 40.Ke3 Rxa4 41.Rb2 Kf5 42.Rf2+ Ke5 43.Kd3 Kd5 44.Rb2 Ra3+ 45.Rb3 Rxb3+ 46.axb3 Kc5 47.Ke4 Kb4 48.Ke5 Kxb3 49.Kxe6 ˝–˝

Kevin Bonham
03-09-2008, 04:25 PM
Using a scoring system other than the traditional 1, 0.5, 0 is permitted under Article 11.1 of the FIDE Laws of Chess and the FIDE rating regulations simply say the FIDE Laws of Chess must apply.

As such it would seem it can be FIDE rated.

OK, I expect it will be rated then.

Garvinator
03-09-2008, 08:31 PM
Interesting little article by Susan:
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2008/09/rules-need-fine-tuning.html

5. - Players are not allowed to agree draw without arbiter’s permission. In case both players request it to him, the arbiter will make his decision after consulting with a technical assistant.


The faster than usual time control (90 minutes for the first 40 moves and another 60 minutes to finish the game) created an interesting “situation” in round 1.

After the Radjabov - Topalov game reached a drawish looking Rook endgame, typically for tournaments with no “Sofia rules” the players would have agreed to a draw. But in this case, they needed the approval of the technical assistant’s (Javier Moreno). They did not get the “permission” needed and had to fight on, until King versus King!

So far, so good! And here comes to “controversial” part…

A bit later, after Ivanchuk playing a good game versus the reining World Champion Anand, he reached a Q+R+ps vs. Q+R+ps endgame with an extra Pawn.

As I found out at the after-the-game interview from Vassily, he forgot that in this tournament there are no increments. It is a sudden-death time control! He left himself with only 24 seconds versus Anand’s 25+ minutes for the rest of the game! Ivanchuk being a Pawn up, offered a draw, which Anand accepted!

Here is the situation.

What would have happened if Anand would have decided to play on – for time? He would have had excellent chances to win on time. He certainly had the right to do so, according to the rules, but I guess he felt “it’s low blow”.

Anand said after the game that perhaps at another time or in another tournament, he may have played on. However, in this game, he didn’t feel that he deserved to win this way because he was hanging on for a draw. It was certainly excellent sportsmanship on Vishy’s part.

I was puzzled about the “Sofia rules” not being enforced in this case and they were in the Radjabov - Topalov game. The first game looked more drawish to me than the Anand - Ivanchuk game.

I believe that the “Sofia rules” need some further refining to deal with similar cases. I believe the rules should be clearer to avoid misunderstandings in the future.

Garvinator
04-09-2008, 02:12 PM
I notice that chessbase are still showing results as 1/2-1/2 instead of 1-1.

Denis_Jessop
04-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Just in case you are interested here is an item from the Basque Government web site


Chess Grand Slam Final in Bilbao



Bilbao holds Grand Slam Chess Final Masters from today until 13th September. Due to the level of the participants and total prizes amount it is being one of the most important tournaments in chess history.

Bilbao will hold this year the first Grand Slam Chess Final Masters from 2nd through 13th September, which due to the level of the participants and total prizes amount it will become one of the most important tournaments in chess history.

For the first time ever in an event of such characteristics, the games will take place in the street, in the Plaza Nueva, right in the center of Bilbao’s Old Town in a huge soundproofed and air-conditioned glazed case.

This glass case placed under a marquee will also accommodate ‘The Agora’ for analysis and comments, a space located by the glass case where the audience will also be able to enjoy comments from Chess Grandmasters among whom we can name Boris Spassky and Susan Polgar. Tables and chairs arranged in a “pavement cafe” fashion will help following of the chess games in a collective, dynamic, open and participating way, all in a relaxing atmosphere, commenting the games while participating in informal gatherings and debates arisen around the competition.

This stage will accommodate a large number of activities connected to chess and addressed to very different people: I International Open “Federacion Vizcaina de Ajedrez; Rapid Game Tournament “Villa de Bilbao”; IV Euskadi Championship on Chess Problems Resolution; Activities for children; the Experts’ Space; and the Closing Ceremony.

The weekend, September 6th and 7th, and taking advantage of the opportunity given by a friendly football match organized by Bilbao’s Athletic Club in San Mames football ground, there will be an attempt to break the Guinness record for the chess game watched live by the highest number of people. It will be played right in the center of the football ground during the half time of the match.

DJ

MichaelBaron
05-09-2008, 01:54 AM
I am observing round 3 games right now. I think many of the participants appear to be exausted by the end of the year. They are trying to play fighting chess but they find it too difficult.

Ivanchuk_Fan
05-09-2008, 04:21 PM
Round 3 Results:

Carlsen-Topalov 0-3, with the other two games (Anand-Radjabov and Aronian-Ivanchuk) ending in 1-1.

So, Topalov is in the clear lead with 5/3, whereas Carlsen is just a point behind on 4/3.

pax
05-09-2008, 05:17 PM
I am observing round 3 games right now. I think many of the participants appear to be exausted by the end of the year. They are trying to play fighting chess but they find it too difficult.

Why are they any more likely to be tired at the 'end' of the year than at the beginning?

Bill Gletsos
06-09-2008, 11:39 AM
Round 4 results:

Topalov - Anand 1-0
Carlsen - Radjabov 1-0
Aronian - Ivanchuk 1-0

Bill Gletsos
06-09-2008, 11:42 AM
After the round 4 games the current live rating list now has Carlsen as unofficial world #1

1 Carlsen 2791.3
2 Anand 2790.9
3 Morozevich 2787.0
4 Topalov 2786.2
5 Ivanchuk 2781.8
6 Kramnik 2771.9
7 Aronian 2754.1
8 Radjabov 2749.5
9 Leko 2746.6
10 Wang Yue 2735.5

Bill Gletsos
06-09-2008, 11:53 AM
Round 4
Topalov - Anand

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.Qc2 Bb7 6.Bg2 c5 7.d5 exd5 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.0–0 Be7 10.Rd1 Qc8 11.a3 Nf6 12.Bg5 d5 13.Bxf6 Bxf6 14.Nc3 Bxc3 15.bxc3 Na6 16.Nh4 g6 17.Bxd5 Bxd5 18.Rxd5 0–0 19.Rad1 Nc7 20.Rd7 Ne6 21.Qe4 Qe8 22.Nf3 c4 23.Qh4 Nc5 24.Re7 Rd8 25.Rf1 1–0

Bill Gletsos
06-09-2008, 11:54 AM
Round 4
Carlsen - Radjabov

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0–0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0–0–0 Rb8 11.Bb3 Na5 12.Kb1 b5 13.h4 Nc4 14.Bxc4 bxc4 15.Ka1 h5 16.Rb1 Qa5 17.Bh6 Bxh6 18.Qxh6 Rb6 19.g4 hxg4 20.Qe3 Rfb8 21.h5 g5 22.fxg4 Nxg4 23.Qd2 f6 24.Nf3 Ra6 25.Rhg1 Rb4 26.a3 Be6 27.e5 dxe5 28.Nxg5 Bf5 29.Nge4 Kh7 30.Qe2 Nh6 31.Rg3 Be6 32.Rg6 Nf5 33.Qg4 Nh4 34.Ng5+ fxg5 35.Qxg5 Nxg6 36.Qxg6+ Kh8 37.Rg1 1–0

Bill Gletsos
06-09-2008, 11:55 AM
Round 4
Aronian - Ivanchuk

1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 e6 4.e3 Nf6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.0–0 a6 7.a4 Nc6 8.Qe2 Qc7 9.Rd1 Be7 10.dxc5 0–0 11.b3 Ne4 12.Ba3 Rd8 13.Rxd8+ Qxd8 14.Qc2 Nxc5 15.Nbd2 Nd7 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.Rd1 Nf6 18.Ne4 Nd5 19.Bxd5 exd5 20.Nc3 Be6 21.h3 h6 22.Qb1 Nb4 23.Ne2 Rc8 24.Nf4 Qc5 25.Nd4 Bd7 26.g4 a5 27.Kg2 b6 28.Kg1 Qd6 29.Qb2 Rc5 30.Nf3 Qe7 31.Nd4 Qe5 32.Qe2 Qe7 33.Qf3 Qe5 34.Nfe2 Kf8 35.Nf4 Kg8 36.Nfe2 Kf8 37.Kg2 Kg8 38.Nf4 Rc3 39.Qg3 Rc5 40.h4 g6 41.Kh2 Qc7 42.g5 h5 43.Nfe2 Kf8 44.Qxc7 Rxc7 45.Kg2 Ke7 46.Kf1 Bg4 47.f3 Bd7 48.Ke1 Rc8 49.Kd2 Rc7 50.Nc3 Rc5 51.Rf1 Bc8 52.f4 Ba6 53.Rf3 Nd3 54.Ncb5 Nb4 55.f5 Nc6 56.fxg6 fxg6 57.Rf6 Bxb5 58.Nxb5 Ne5 59.Nd4 Kd7 60.Rxb6 Rc8 61.Rb5 Kd6 62.Rxa5 Rf8 63.Ra6+ Kd7 64.Rf6 Rxf6 65.gxf6 Ke8 66.a5 Kf7 67.a6 Nd7 68.a7 Nb6 69.Kc3 Kxf6 70.Kb4 1–0

MichaelBaron
06-09-2008, 12:20 PM
Topalov-Anand was a surprisingly quck affair :clap:

Ivanchuk_Fan
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
The game Topalov-Anand was particularly amazing - Anand lost in only 25 moves!

Also, Carlsen is now the unofficial world number 1 on the Live Ratings list at 2791, just ahead of Anand at 2790.

soupman_2
06-09-2008, 08:12 PM
what time of the day, Brisbane time, are these games being played?

Ivanchuk_Fan
07-09-2008, 07:41 AM
what time of the day, Brisbane time, are these games being played?

The games start at 11:00 AM Internet Chess Club time, so therefore the games start at about 1:00 AM in Brisbane, Canberra, Melbourne and Sydney.

Capablanca-Fan
07-09-2008, 12:44 PM
The game Topalov-Anand was particularly amazing - Anand lost in only 25 moves!
Interesting gambit play, making no attempt to recover the P immediately or even attack right away. I suppose Anand gave up because 25... Qc6 26. Ng5 h5 27. Nxf7!

Garvinator
07-09-2008, 02:00 PM
Interesting gambit play, making no attempt to recover the P immediately or even attack right away. I suppose Anand gave up because 25... Qc6 26. Ng5 h5 27. Nxf7!
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4892

And now if 25...Qc6 26.Ng5 h5 27.Nxf7 Rxf7 28.Rxf7 Kxf7 29.Qxd8+–. 1-0. The entire game was played by Topalov with the utmost precision. He probably had most of it on his Fritz or Rybka computer screen in his home preparation (both programs reproduce every white move after the novelty). Excellent preparation once again by former FIDE world champion Topalov, a painful defeat for the current champion Vishy Anand.

Kevin Bonham
07-09-2008, 02:54 PM
He probably had most of it on his Fritz or Rybka computer screen in his home preparation (both programs reproduce every white move after the novelty).

Of course by Danailov's standards as seen against Kramnik this means that Topalov is a computer-cheat!

Garvinator
07-09-2008, 03:27 PM
It does seem that the 3-1-0 scoring system is having an effect on getting the players to play a full game as the players who are behind have to win to catch up, but with 3 points for a win, there is plenty to gain with a victory.

For round robin tournaments, 3-1-0 might be the way to go. Would need to see it more in a general swiss tournament to draw conclusions.

Kevin Bonham
07-09-2008, 03:40 PM
It does seem that the 3-1-0 scoring system is having an effect on getting the players to play a full game as the players who are behind have to win to catch up, but with 3 points for a win, there is plenty to gain with a victory.

For round robin tournaments, 3-1-0 might be the way to go. Would need to see it more in a general swiss tournament to draw conclusions.

It might be forcing players to play longer games in search of a win but you can also make them play longer games by forcing them to not agree draws before move X and controlling artificial repetitions.

There's no evidence so far that it is making draws less common. So far there have been 5 won games and 10 drawn games and that is much the same as for any other top level tournament these days.

Intuition
07-09-2008, 10:34 PM
Interesting tourney and to see carlsen the live no1 player is a great achivement at any age let alone 17 :clap:

Can anybody identify the EXACT chess set being used in this tournament? I like it, I would buy one if I could

Denis_Jessop
07-09-2008, 10:57 PM
Of course by Danailov's standards as seen against Kramnik this means that Topalov is a computer-cheat!

Moreover, it makes chess as a game/contest between two individuals a bit of a joke. I wonder how much of Topolov's game was original thought by him. The suggestion seems to be none of it.

DJ

Intuition
08-09-2008, 03:15 PM
Moreover, it makes chess as a game/contest between two individuals a bit of a joke. I wonder how much of Topolov's game was original thought by him. The suggestion seems to be none of it.

DJ

Thats why it is refreshing to watch moro play..out of book early and a couple moves later a 2700+ cant cope a looses a piece, too bad for the term chess 'professional' :wall:

pax
09-09-2008, 11:41 AM
Carlsen wins again..

Capablanca-Fan
09-09-2008, 12:13 PM
It does seem that the 3-1-0 scoring system is having an effect on getting the players to play a full game as the players who are behind have to win to catch up, but with 3 points for a win, there is plenty to gain with a victory.

For round robin tournaments, 3-1-0 might be the way to go. Would need to see it more in a general swiss tournament to draw conclusions.
It is a crappy system though. Not all draws are "grandmaster draws", and should not be penalized as if they were. The system could lead to a lack of objectivity. And it could paradoxically lead to less enterprising play since the "safety nets" (draw in hand if intended attack doesn't work) would not be as worthwhile. Even Kasparov in his famous "immortal" against Topalov didn't calculate everything to the end, but knew he had a safety net; once the game progressed, he was able to work out the win.

Samson
13-09-2008, 12:44 PM
I have yet to see an objective reason for dismissing this system. The Sofia rule I dislike however. Who are we to judge other people's chess games?

MichaelBaron
13-09-2008, 10:07 PM
Live ratings show that the fight to finish 2008 as number 1 is getting closer and closer with each round.

Ivanchuk_Fan
14-09-2008, 07:05 AM
Round 10 Results:

Carlsen-Anand 1-1 (fairly quiet Exchange Slav; both players seemed happy with a draw)
Aronian-Radjabov 0-3 (a Fianchetto KID, where Radjabov managed to survive Aronian's initiative to start his own attack, and Aronian missed a draw)
Topalov-Ivanchuk 3-0 (a very nice game by Topalov in a Meran Semi-Slav; Topalov diffused Ivanchuk's pawn sacrifice and converted the point with excellent technique)

So Topalov won the tournament, whereas Carlsen and Aronian were equal second, with Carlsen being awarded second on tiebreak.