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Kevin Bonham
26-06-2008, 11:44 PM
Starts Saturday.

Games Sat, Sun, Tues, Wed, Fri, next Sat, next Sun. Single round robin.

On ratings four of the players have not much chance but Naiditsch did win in 2005 against a slightly stronger field and Nepomniachtchi (in the top 100 at age 17) could do well.

Pairings are here (http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4728) with the game of most interest to me, Ivanchuk-Kramnik, alas occurring in the last round (let's hope one of them is in a must-win situation).

Either Ivanchuk or Kramnik could become "live-rating" #1 with a strong performance in this event.

Intuition
27-06-2008, 02:26 PM
I dont think kramnik will win, he is saving all his good chess for the world championship and will just enjoy some warm up games

Shark93
27-06-2008, 04:32 PM
Starts Saturday.
Either Ivanchuk or Kramnik could become "live-rating" #1 with a strong performance in this event.

Live rating #1 from this event is useless, as there are another 3 months of tournaments before the new list comes out. Therefore it dosen't count.

Kevin Bonham
27-06-2008, 06:17 PM
Live rating #1 from this event is useless, as there are another 3 months of tournaments before the new list comes out. Therefore it dosen't count.

This is an interesting issue. Unlike in the current ACF system, where you cannot determine the impact of a game on a player's rating until the ratings period is completed, in the current FIDE system you can. So while the so-called "live rating" (as compiled by unofficial sources like this one (http://chess.liverating.org/)) isn't an official FIDE rating, it does tell you something - that so-and-so is in the box seat to be #1 on the next list for the time being.

Some major sports release world rankings on a weekly basis. There is no in-principle reason FIDE ratings could not be done in the same way. I've already noticed a trend towards more discussion of a player's unofficial "live rating" and I suspect this will continue, unless FIDE either adopts a more rapid turnaround or else adopts a system that requires a slower turnaround.

Garvinator
03-07-2008, 11:12 AM
Thought I would give this thread a kick along.

Kramnik,V (2788) - Leko,P (2741) [E15]
Sparkassen Dortmund GER (4), 02.07.2008
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.Qc2 c5 6.d5 exd5 7.cxd5 Bb7 8.Bg2 Nxd5 9.Qb3 Nf6 10.Ne5 d5 11.Nc3 Be7 12.Qa4+ Nbd7 13.Nc6 Bxc6 14.Qxc6 Rc8 15.Qa4 d4 16.Nb5 0-0 17.0-0 Ne5 18.Qxa7 Nc6 19.Qb7 Na5 20.Qa7 Nc6 21.Qb7 Na5 22.Qa7 Nc6 23.Qb7 -.

Nepomniachtchi,I (2634) - Van Wely,L (2677) [B90]
Sparkassen Dortmund GER (4), 02.07.2008
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.Qd2 Nbd7 9.0-0-0 Be7 10.f4 Ng4 11.g3 Nxe3 12.Qxe3 b5 13.Kb1 Qb6 14.Qe2 b4 15.Na4 Qc6 16.f5 Bxf5 17.exf5 Qxa4 18.Bg2 0-0 19.Bxa8 Rxa8 20.g4 Qc6 21.Na5 Qc7 22.Nc4 a5 23.Nxd6 Bxd6 24.Qd3 Nf6 25.Qxd6 Qxd6 26.Rxd6 Nxg4 27.Rg1 Nxh2 28.f6 g6 29.Rg2 Nf3 30.Re2 h5 31.Re3 e4 32.Rxe4 g5 33.Rd3 g4 34.Rd5 Ra6 35.Rf4 Re6 36.a4 Re1+ 37.Ka2 Rh1 38.Rxa5 Kh7 39.Rd5 Kg6 40.a5 Re1 41.a6 Re8 42.a7 Ra8 43.Ra5 Nh2 44.Rxb4 g3 45.Rb8 Rxa7 46.Rg8+ Kxf6 47.Rxa7 Ng4 48.Ra3 1-0.

Gustafsson,J (2603) - Ivanchuk,V (2740) [D37]
Sparkassen Dortmund GER (4), 02.07.2008
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 d5 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.e4 Bb4 6.Bg5 b5 7.a4 c6 8.e5 h6 9.exf6 hxg5 10.fxg7 Rg8 11.g3 g4 12.Nh4 Bb7 13.Bg2 Rxg7 14.axb5 Qb6 15.bxc6 Nxc6 16.0-0 Ne7 17.Qe2 Rc8 18.Qe5 Kf8 19.Na4 Qc7 20.Qxc7 Rxc7 21.Bxb7 Rxb7 22.Rfc1 Rc7 23.Nc5 c3 24.bxc3 Bxc5 25.dxc5 Rg5 26.Ra4 Nc6 27.Kg2 Rb7 28.Rc2 Rb5 29.f3 gxf3+ 30.Nxf3 Rgxc5 31.Nd4 -.

Naiditsch,A (2624) - Mamedyarov,S (2752) [B46]
Sparkassen Dortmund GER (4), 02.07.2008
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bd3 d5 8.0-0 Nf6 9.Re1 Be7 10.e5 Nd7 11.Qg4 g6 12.Na4 Qa5 13.Bh6 c5 14.b3 c4 15.Bf1 Bb7 16.Qg3 Bc6 17.Nb2 Rb8 18.Reb1 Bf8 19.Bxf8 Kxf8 20.bxc4 Kg7 21.a3 Rhc8 22.Qe3 Rc7 23.cxd5 Bxd5 24.c4 Ba8 25.Nd3 Rxb1 26.Rxb1 Rxc4 27.Nb4 Rc8 28.Re1 Bb7 29.h4 h5 30.f4 Nb6 31.Rc1 Nd5 32.Nxd5 Rxc1 33.Qxc1 Qxd5 34.Qe3 a5 35.Kf2 Qa2+ 36.Kg1 Qb2 37.Be2 Bd5 38.Bf3 Bb3 39.Qc5 Qd2 40.g3 a4 41.Bg2 Qd1+ -.

Kevin Bonham
05-07-2008, 08:43 PM
Gustaffson leading outright with two rounds to go. Short tournaments do create a greater risk of surprise winners, especially given the frequency of draws at the top level.

Garvinator
06-07-2008, 09:53 AM
Gustaffson leading outright with two rounds to go. Short tournaments do create a greater risk of surprise winners, especially given the frequency of draws at the top level.
He is ;) :hmm:

Kevin Bonham
06-07-2008, 09:07 PM
I see Leko has restored things to some semblance of order by beating him.

Leko leading Nepo and Gustaffson with a round to play would have been at extremely long odds. The Ivanchuk vs Kramnik game is irrelevant unless Leko loses with white against Naiditsch!

Kevin Bonham
08-07-2008, 12:55 AM
Well we're all a right bunch of mugs since none of the 17 tipping the winner got it right.

+2 Leko
+1 Ivanchuk, Mamedyarov, Nepomniatchi, Gustaffson
= Naiditsch
-1 Kramnik (very poor result that cannot do wonders for his confidence pre the Anand match)
-5 (ouch) Van Tournamentbunny

Garvinator
08-07-2008, 04:33 AM
-1 Kramnik (very poor result that cannot do wonders for his confidence pre the Anand match)
Or a different view and one that I hold- is that he has been so heavily involved in match prep for Anand that a tournament result like this is not a surprise.

He may have only played Dortmund to make sponsors happy as he has always played there in the past.

pax
08-07-2008, 05:31 PM
Or a different view and one that I hold- is that he has been so heavily involved in match prep for Anand that a tournament result like this is not a surprise.

He may have only played Dortmund to make sponsors happy as he has always played there in the past.

He is probably saving his preparation for Anand, but I'm pretty he would not be happy about such a performance. Even using a tired opening repertoire, he would expect to be playing a plus score against this field.