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Basil
12-03-2008, 05:58 AM
My, aren't we I having fun!? With 'The 3' dedicated to the marginal swingers, 'Wall To Wall Labor' supposedly dedicated to the bungling entirely free from finger-pointing at the Libs, I now present 'Teflon Kev' where, for the time being it seems no matter how transparent the slip-up, back flip or bungle, nothing sticks! Oh how we'll wear anything when we're infatuated.

I'll start.

1) Kyoto backflip (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22669296-5012863,00.html). What Johnny said along.
2) Friday parliamentary sessions - disposed of after 1 sitting. Apparently because of the cardboard cutout affair!
3) The carer and pensioner bonus backflip - yep the one he tried to have taken out with the trash while he was OS

Approval rating? Should be around 135% methinks!

Kevin Bonham
12-03-2008, 11:46 AM
Oh how we'll wear anything when we're infatuated.

Or when the opposition is an uncompetitive mess.

Garvinator
12-03-2008, 11:50 AM
2) Friday parliamentary sessions - disposed of after 1 sitting. Apparently because of the cardboard cutout affair!
Hello Howard,

If my reading of some articles was correct (and I did read them closely because of the content).

The idea was that the Friday sessions were abandoned not because of the cardboard cut-out affair, but because without a quorum and question time, it breached the constitution and so was 'illegal'. How illegal you or I can only guess at.

And no this did not come from some far right or left paper. I recall one of the articles in The Australian.

Basil
12-03-2008, 12:30 PM
Or when the opposition is an uncompetitive mess.
I appreciate and acknowledge (and will even pay) that in its own right. But there's a world difference between selecting the better of two evils and a myopic infatuation! Evidence supports that this country is in the fervent grip of the latter.

Basil
12-03-2008, 12:44 PM
The idea was that the Friday sessions were abandoned not because of the cardboard cut-out affair, but because without a quorum and question time, it breached the constitution and so was 'illegal'.
Thanks. Really? A quorum of who?

Garvinator
12-03-2008, 12:55 PM
Thanks. Really? A quorum of who?
I would imagine it would be when divisions and votes are required.

Garvinator
12-03-2008, 12:56 PM
I think it would reek of hypocrisy if the real reason had to do with the cutout Kev, because if we remember back, Labor used cutouts of 2 cent coins to highlight the spotlight company contract changes under workchoices in question time.

Basil
12-03-2008, 04:17 PM
I think it would reek of hypocrisy if the real reason had to do with the cutout Kev, because if we remember back, Labor used cutouts of 2 cent coins to highlight the spotlight company contract changes under workchoices in question time.
Right. So the choice is for Rudd to pick
Box A - A flash in the pan idea poorly thought out (illegality)
Box B - Crying foul in the ace of hypocrisy

Rudd really is a dumbo. Sooner or later people will wize to the idea that he is shallow goose. I suspect the likes of Laurie Oaks are just waiting for enough rope before they call him on the whole lot put together.

- Kyoto flip
- Hammering the budget surplus and then being intent on delivering one themselves
- The bonuses flip
- The 'stunt' of sending his troops to visit the homeless before day 1 of parliament
- The rushed 'sorry' job that was years in the making and minutes in the framing (without releasing the words for the opposition's input). He had a mandate to say sorry - but not to write the thing himself - that's just self-glorification
- The man must be the first in history to write his own book on the first 100 days! Rudd must have been having fantasies about this for years - and it's starting to show [/puke].

Capablanca-Fan
17-03-2008, 06:02 PM
If only the Tibetans were whales (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_only_the_tibetans_were_whales/)
Andrew Bolt
17 March 2008


Kevin Rudd is horrified by recent killings:


I don’t have a magic wand, but the Australian Government will do everything within our power to put pressure on the .... .... to bring this slaughter to an end.

Fill in those missing two words. Did he damn the:

A: “Chinese Government”, now killing Tibetan protesters (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/15/world/main3941253.shtml?source=mostpop_story).

B: “Japanese Government”, now killing whales (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23145164-5001021,00.html).

Now contrast those fighting words with this mild caution:



...from my point of view, I would call upon the ... ... to exercise restraint.

Again fill in the missing words. Was Rudd tut-tutting the:

A: “Chinese authorites”, for killing people protesting its occupation of Tibet (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/tibet-crackdown-disturbing-rudd-says/2008/03/17/1205602241011.html).

B: “Japanese authorites”, for killing animals for food (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2077818.stm).

Does something seem seriously out of whack here?

Axiom
17-03-2008, 07:12 PM
If only the Tibetans were whales (http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_only_the_tibetans_were_whales/)
Andrew Bolt
17 March 2008


Kevin Rudd is horrified by recent killings:


I don’t have a magic wand, but the Australian Government will do everything within our power to put pressure on the .... .... to bring this slaughter to an end.

Fill in those missing two words. Did he damn the:

A: “Chinese Government”, now killing Tibetan protesters (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/15/world/main3941253.shtml?source=mostpop_story).

B: “Japanese Government”, now killing whales (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23145164-5001021,00.html).

Now contrast those fighting words with this mild caution:



...from my point of view, I would call upon the ... ... to exercise restraint.

Again fill in the missing words. Was Rudd tut-tutting the:

A: “Chinese authorites”, for killing people protesting its occupation of Tibet (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/tibet-crackdown-disturbing-rudd-says/2008/03/17/1205602241011.html).

B: “Japanese authorites”, for killing animals for food (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2077818.stm).

Does something seem seriously out of whack here?
and john howard would have been any different ??
when will you and others realise there is no difference in our fake 2 party democracy ?

Basil
17-03-2008, 07:35 PM
and john howard would have been any different ??
Before anyone has a stab at your question, do you care to answer the original? I appreciate that doing so is not your strong suit.

Axiom
17-03-2008, 07:37 PM
Before anyone has a stab at your question, do you care to answer the original? I appreciate that doing so is not your strong suit.
oh sorry honest john was very hard on the chinese govt ! :lol:
you idiot

Basil
17-03-2008, 07:39 PM
oh sorry honest john was very hard on the chinese govt ! :lol:

Have you actually answered a direct question on this BB ever, once?

Axiom
17-03-2008, 07:40 PM
Have you actually answered a direct question on this BB ever, once?
why dont you try asking it !

and maybe you could outline howard's response to chinese tyranny ?

Basil
17-03-2008, 08:12 PM
why dont you try asking it !
I did. At post #11. You can't be that dense, so I assume this is humour.

Axiom
17-03-2008, 08:40 PM
I did. At post #11. You can't be that dense, so I assume this is humour.
im still waiting for you to substantiate j. howard's position on chinese tyranny !
:lol:

Basil
17-03-2008, 08:50 PM
im still waiting for you to substantiate j. howard's position on chinese tyranny !
:lol:
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Axiom
17-03-2008, 09:32 PM
http://faultgame.com/images/tenbilln.wav
its only courteous that you respond to me first !

now stop prevaricating and tell me how howard dealt with china any more sternly than rudd !

gd- life is not arsenal ,bi partisan politics, and an informing media !
smell the arsenic , then the coffee!

Capablanca-Fan
17-03-2008, 10:02 PM
now stop prevaricating and tell me how howard dealt with china any more sternly than rudd !
How can we prove conditionals? What remains is that KRudd has a soft spot for the Communist murderers while he is harsh on Japanese non-murderers. It would appeal to his Green constituency that regards humans as no better than animals.

Axiom
17-03-2008, 10:09 PM
How can we prove conditionals? What remains is that KRudd has a soft spot for the Communist murderers while he is harsh on Japanese non-murderers. It would appeal to his Green constituency that regards humans as no better than animals.
of course !
my point is that there is no material difference whether its howard or rudd !

Capablanca-Fan
21-03-2008, 01:24 AM
A. Kevin Rudd promises to keep petrol prices down:


Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says he’ll be keeping a close eye on oil companies in coming days (http://www.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=223537), amid fears that the price of petrol will rise over Easter.

B. Kevin Rudd plans to make petrol prices rise:


ELECTRICITY and petrol prices would soar (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23408692-662,00.html)under plans to combat global warming through carbon trading, a government discussion paper has warned.

Yet his devotees continue to worship the ground he walks on, even when he manages to hold mutually contradictory thoughts in the same skull.

Desmond
21-03-2008, 08:21 AM
A. Kevin Rudd promises to keep petrol prices down:


Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says he’ll be keeping a close eye on oil companies in coming days (http://www.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=223537), amid fears that the price of petrol will rise over Easter.The link did not open the article for me. On the face of it, saying that he would keep an eye on the prices over Easter (which everyone know they do go up every year) is different to promising to stop it.


B. Kevin Rudd plans to make petrol prices rise:


ELECTRICITY and petrol prices would soar (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23408692-662,00.html)under plans to combat global warming through carbon trading, a government discussion paper has warned.

Yet his devotees continue to worship the ground he walks on, even when he manages to hold mutually contradictory thoughts in the same skull.He just can't win with you can he. The gov't does an economic analysis on the proposal, and before they can respond to it your slamming them for ignoring it.

Also, the paper did say that it wouldn't make the price double, which is more than we can say for Howard's tenure.

Capablanca-Fan
21-03-2008, 10:48 AM
The link did not open the article for me. On the face of it, saying that he would keep an eye on the prices over Easter (which everyone know they do go up every year) is different to promising to stop it.
What do you think he meant? Putting his ocular globe on it?

It's a crass idea to interfere with the free market anyway. There were reports of petrol stations running short because they didn't dare raise prices because of the risk of government regulators accusing them of price gouging.


He just can't win with you can he. The gov't does an economic analysis on the proposal, and before they can respond to it your slamming them for ignoring it.
No, this doom-mongering Guano Garnaut report that presupposes that an organization as corrupt as the UN prints gospel truth in the IPCC report.


Also, the paper did say that it wouldn't make the price double, which is more than we can say for Howard's tenure.
What, doubling over 12 years is worse (i.e. ~6% pa) than KRudd's doubling in one year because of his green obsession and irrational nuclear fear?

pax
22-03-2008, 09:48 AM
It's a crass idea to interfere with the free market anyway. There were reports of petrol stations running short because they didn't dare raise prices because of the risk of government regulators accusing them of price gouging.

This sounds like complete fiction to me. In Perth, prices rose by about 10-15 cents per litre right before the Easter break and they are now as high as they have ever been.

Capablanca-Fan
22-03-2008, 10:52 AM
This sounds like complete fiction to me. In Perth, prices rose by about 10-15 cents per litre right before the Easter break and they are now as high as they have ever been.
It is no fiction, these shortages really happened.

The lefty blind spot still stands: when petrol stations put up prices, it's "greedy gouging", when government puts up prices by a much greater amount, it's responsible policy.

pax
22-03-2008, 11:01 AM
It is no fiction, these shortages really happened.
Where? And what was the price? Sounds to me like it could easily have been simply stations that failed to arrange sufficient supplies for the long weekend rather than necessarily anything to do with the price. But you are very quick to blame the guvm'nt without knowing all the facts.

Capablanca-Fan
22-03-2008, 11:06 AM
Where? And what was the price? Sounds to me like it could easily have been simply stations that failed to arrange sufficient supplies for the long weekend rather than necessarily anything to do with the price. But you are very quick to blame the guvm'nt without knowing all the facts.
There is ample precedent. So much so that with any shortage, one can be pretty sure that there are price controls, whether official or just brought about by threats to "keep an eye out for gouging".

pax
22-03-2008, 03:59 PM
There is ample precedent. So much so that with any shortage, one can be pretty sure that there are price controls, whether official or just brought about by threats to "keep an eye out for gouging".
In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that there was any connection at all with the (barely evident) threat of investigations into pricing practices.

Capablanca-Fan
22-03-2008, 10:26 PM
In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that there was any connection at all with the (barely evident) threat of investigations into pricing practices.
Our premier Anna Bligh was threatening, and we all know about the hypocritical Graham Samuel of the ACCC with his tough talk about petrol prices hurting consumers. It makes more business sense for stations to lose customers by running out than raising prices and risking millions in fighting the government.

pax
23-03-2008, 01:02 AM
It makes more business sense for stations to lose customers by running out than raising prices and risking millions in fighting the government.
Are you talking about individual stations, or petrol companies? Independent stations have probably zero to fear from any government enquiry etc. Petrol companies are hardly likely to change prices in response to blustering politicians - much more likely they would spend the millions fighting the case rather than just roll over. You don't build a billion dollar business by rolling over at the first sign of trouble..

Capablanca-Fan
23-03-2008, 01:15 AM
Are you talking about individual stations, or petrol companies? Independent stations have probably zero to fear from any government enquiry etc. Petrol companies are hardly likely to change prices in response to blustering politicians — much more likely they would spend the millions fighting the case rather than just roll over.
It depends. If the government bureaucrats can impose huge costs in time and money at no risks to themselves, it may be best to roll over.

pax
23-03-2008, 06:40 PM
It depends. If the government bureaucrats can impose huge costs in time and money at no risks to themselves, it may be best to roll over.
At the moment there is nothing but rhetoric about petrol prices. I doubt that it has any teeth unless additional regulations are imposed. Actions by the CCC against petrol companies have so far been unsuccessful (for the CCC).

My view (which may surprise you) is that we need to get over the notion that there is something wrong if petrol prices go up at Easter or at the weekend through independent commercial decisions.

Capablanca-Fan
23-03-2008, 06:45 PM
At the moment there is nothing but rhetoric about petrol prices. I doubt that it has any teeth unless additional regulations are imposed. Actions by the CCC against petrol companies have so far been unsuccessful (for the CCC).
Good. Even better would be to end this pathetic department that wastes taxpayers' money to intimidate businesses.


My view (which may surprise you) is that we need to get over the notion that there is something wrong if petrol prices go up at Easter or at the weekend through independent commercial decisions.
It does surprise me, but pleasantly.