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bobby1972
17-01-2008, 02:42 PM
i had this in a game recently.
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Bf5 4. e3 e6 now i was thinking not to play why not the daring c4 it was very interesting 5. c4 Bxb1 6. Rxb1 Bb4+ 7. Ke2
i drew this game. is white in a bad way or is it only ugly looking i mean say f3 then kf2 Bd3 with g4 and h4 looks almost book.

Capablanca-Fan
17-01-2008, 03:56 PM
i had this in a game recently.
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Bf5 4. e3 e6 (now i was thinking not to play why not the daring c4 it was very interesting) 5. c4 Bxb1 6. Rxb1 Bb4+ 7. Ke2 (i drew this game. is white in a bad way or is it only ugly looking i mean say f3 then kf2 Bd3 with g4 and h4 looks almost book.)
I'd strongly advise against this. It blocks your Nf1, and Black can blast open the centre quickly with ... c5. Black probably needs to pull back the B first to d6 then castle in preparation. White might be able to struggle for equality but why go to all that effort?

Kevin Bonham
17-01-2008, 07:27 PM
I guess if you play 5.c4 you're committed to Ke2, because 6.Qxb1 can't be that appealling and 7.Ne2 just loses to ...Ne4.

Chessbase has ten games with both players >2200 but the score is in black's favour (+3=2-5 for white) and some of the games featured white outrating black.

Kamsky has played it but no-one else much over 2500 has.


{[Event "Foxwoods op 09th"] [Site "Connecticut"] [Date "2007. 04.
04"] [Round "8"] [White "Kamsky,Gata"] [Black "Shulman,Yuri"] [Result
"1-0"] [Eco "D02"]} 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Bf5 4. e3 e6 5. c4 Bxb1 6.
Rxb1 Bb4+ 7. Ke2 Bd6 8. g3 O-O 9. Qb3 Nc6 10. cxd5 Nxd5 11. Bg2 Be7 12. h4 Na5
13. Qa4 c5 14. dxc5 Bxc5 15. Ne5 Bd6 16. Rhd1 Bxe5 17. Bxe5 Nc6 18. Bd4 Qe7 19.
Rbc1 Rfd8 20. Bc5 Qf6 21. Qb3 Rab8 22. Rd2 b6 23. Bd4 Nxd4+ 24. Rxd4 g6 25.
Rcd1 Nc7 26. Rd7 Na6 27. Qc3 e5 28. Qc6 Qxc6 29. Bxc6 Rxd7 30. Rxd7 Nc5 31.
Rxa7 Rd8 32. Ra8 Rxa8 33. Bxa8 Kf8 34. b4 Na6 35. a3 Ke7 36. Bb7 Nc7 37. a4 Kd6
38. Kd3 Ne8 39. Kc4 Kc7 40. Bf3 Kd6 41. a5 bxa5 42. bxa5 f5 43. Kb5 e4 44. Be2
Kc7 45. Kc5 Nf6 46. a6 Nd7+ 47. Kd5 Kb6 48. g4 fxg4 49. Kxe4 1-0

bobby1972
17-01-2008, 08:59 PM
incredible even when you blunder its in the book.during the game after Bb4+ i felt like giving it up only the fact that it was the oz champs made me play on.i mean at the end i got .5 out of 4 by a miracle could not see anything too heavy this turny 11 round its very hard,too hard for me no excuses i am just very glad its over and to have played in one ,that was great.how do some of the older players do it man i never have experinenced such drain from chess .i now relise how very hard is this turney i mean in the open there is so many easy games here every game was hard.

MichaelBaron
17-01-2008, 09:38 PM
i had this in a game recently.
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Bf5 4. e3 e6 now i was thinking not to play why not the daring c4 it was very interesting 5. c4 Bxb1 6. Rxb1 Bb4+ 7. Ke2
i drew this game. is white in a bad way or is it only ugly looking i mean say f3 then kf2 Bd3 with g4 and h4 looks almost book.

If white has such problems so early in the game its certainly not good. May be 5.c4 is not a move to play
how about Bd3!? :hmm:

bobby1972
18-01-2008, 02:58 PM
ke2 i am told is in kovacevic book on the london and he says c4! is best can you believe it,amazing

Alexrules01
12-02-2008, 07:24 PM
I just ran it through Fritz.

After Ke2, black is about 1 pawn better (-0.98)

I suggest on move 6, play Qa4+, then 7.Rxb1. Your position still looks good.

But Fritz rathers 6.Qxb1 Bb4+ 7.Kd1 0-0.

I prefer 6.Qa4+ but thats just me. :cool:

Kevin Bonham
12-02-2008, 08:45 PM
I just ran it through Fritz.

After Ke2, black is about 1 pawn better (-0.98)

Which version are you using?

My copy of Fritz11 reckons it is virtually equal (-0.08 after a few minutes).

In any case, computer evaluations aren't always all that useful in the opening.

Alexrules01
12-02-2008, 08:48 PM
I might run it for longer and I'm using Fritz10.

And yea, I know computers see positions different, thats why I rather 6.Qa4+

CameronD
12-02-2008, 09:00 PM
Vlatko kovacevic says c4 is best, but doesn't recommend it as most readers dont have the combined defensive skill for a central king and technical skill to exploit the two bishops in this situation.

The book recommends 5.Nbd2

note- kovacevic has Qx in his book and the Queen check is given !? as an alternative without commentary.

Alexrules01
12-02-2008, 09:01 PM
OK, after 10 minutes of Fritz 10 looking at the position after 7.Ke2, black is
-0.71 better. :cool:

Alexrules01
12-02-2008, 09:06 PM
Vlatko kovacevic says c4 is best, but doesn't recommend it as most readers dont have the combined defensive skill for a central king and technical skill to exploit the two bishops in this situation.

The book recommends 5.Nbd2

note- kovacevic has Qx in his book and the Queen check is given !? as an alternative without commentary.
Yes, it is an interesting move. But I overlooked that the Kinght on c6 (if you play 6.Qa4+ Nc6) is covering the b4 square, so the bishop can check anyway.
So this has changed my opion a little, but bringing the queen out with an uncastled king my prove handy. :cool:

bobby1972
13-02-2008, 07:53 AM
to say nothing of my early (very early) K to d2 also in the championship ,this K moves scored 1.5 out of 2 in oz champs not bad,and to think all the bad press early king moves get?