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Bill Gletsos
28-10-2007, 07:53 PM
FIDE has announced the draw for the first round of the 2007 World Cup http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1491

Australia's Zong-Yuan Zhao ranked 119 is to meet the 10th seed Magnus Carlsen.

Basil
28-10-2007, 08:07 PM
That's enough to put hair on Zhao's chest! Look forward to the game with interest.

Garvinator
28-10-2007, 08:57 PM
That's enough to put hair on George's chest! Look forward to the game with interest.
Whose George?

Basil
28-10-2007, 09:14 PM
Whose George?
:doh: fixed.

Intuition
29-10-2007, 10:38 AM
That's enough to put hair on Zhao's chest! Look forward to the game with interest.

It will be very interesting...even tho im not into seeing aussies loose hopelessly..lol..but true hair might come from such an encounter :)

Davidflude
29-10-2007, 10:35 PM
In short matches shocks are possible. All it needs is for the lower rated player to come up with an opening improvement and win the first game. then the pressure really is on the other player.

Maybe I should look at what Zhong's opponents play and then look at my archives. Yes I shall do this and if I find anything post it here.

Aaron Guthrie
30-10-2007, 07:22 AM
In short matches shocks are possible. All it needs is for the lower rated player to come up with an opening improvement and win the first game. then the pressure really is on the other player.

Maybe I should look at what Zhong's opponents play and then look at my archives. Yes I shall do this and if I find anything post it here.Another thing to look at might be how often Carlsen's sacs go wrong.

Intuition
30-10-2007, 09:00 AM
Another thing to look at might be how often Carlsen's sacs go wrong.

True but this is often against 2700+ players not average IMs :)

Denis_Jessop
30-10-2007, 10:34 AM
True but this is often against 2700+ players not average IMs :)

Yuan is not an "average" IM. He is the highest rated active Australian on both the ACF and FIDE lists and if there was any justice he would have at least one (or more) GM norm(s) by now. He is rated 25 FIDE points (2491/2466) above David Smerdon and nearly 70 ACF points (2560/2471) above him.

DJ

Aaron Guthrie
30-10-2007, 10:45 AM
True but this is often against 2700+ players not average IMs :)A)What Denis said.
B)You can say the same thing about any possible way to beat him, can't you?

Aaron Guthrie
30-10-2007, 11:00 AM
I should say why I think that looking at how often Carlsen's sacs go wrong is a good idea. Firstly, it is good to know that just because it is his strength doesn't mean if he makes a sac he suddenly becomes unbeatable. Secondly I think that sacs are the type of thing that can go very wrong. Thirdly I get the impression that Zhao is a very good defender.

Intuition
30-10-2007, 11:23 AM
Yuan is not an "average" IM. He is the highest rated active Australian on both the ACF and FIDE lists and if there was any justice he would have at least one (or more) GM norm(s) by now. He is rated 25 FIDE points (2491/2466) above David Smerdon and nearly 70 ACF points (2560/2471) above him.

DJ

still saying he has a chance is a very big call to make against carlsen who is bordering on superGM..our best players simply can't match it with the worlds best..and yes i know smerdon drew kaz once (just) and that lane beat short over 10 years ago once ect but you'd have so say zhaos chances of staying alive v carlsen are close to zero....he wont make dubious sacs against a player who he knows he can beat easily

Ian Rout
30-10-2007, 01:28 PM
and that lane beat short over 10 years ago once
Lane most recently beat Short in 2004, though it may have also happened ten years ago too.

Ian Rout
30-10-2007, 02:46 PM
Yuan is not an "average" IM. He is the highest rated active Australian on both the ACF and FIDE lists and if there was any justice he would have at least one (or more) GM norm(s) by now. He is rated 25 FIDE points (2491/2466) above David Smerdon and nearly 70 ACF points (2560/2471) above him.

DJ
If we want to look at ratings, fortunately I have an envelope at hand.

Zhao is rated nearly 2500 but his performance of late is more towards 2600 - FIDE ratings take a while to catch up especially if someone doesn't play a lot. So let us say the true difference is about 150 points (Carlsen is 2714) or an expected score of 70% in round numbers.

The Elo scale doesn't (and can't) tell us the ratio of wins to draws, only the net, but let's notionally say the 70% is made up of 50% wins, 40% draws and 10% losses. On that basis the odds of the higher-rated player winning the two-game match would be 65% and of losing 9%, with a tie 26%. You can check this with your own envelope.

We then have to allocate the 26% which is even more speculative but something like 20:6 to give us a round number of 85% is probably not unreasonable (though you could argue for something more even based on the faster time limits).

Of course there are other factors: for instance the above numbers don't account for Black and White games; the loser of the first game may play more riskily in the scond game with nothing to lose; or if the first game is a draw the higher-rated player may take more chances in preference to the lottery of the rapid play-offs (e.g. Shirov - Nisipeaneau).

Metro
30-10-2007, 05:03 PM
still saying he has a chance is a very big call to make against carlsen who is bordering on superGM..our best players simply can't match it with the worlds best..and yes i know smerdon drew kaz once (just) and that lane beat short over 10 years ago once ect but you'd have so say zhaos chances of staying alive v carlsen are close to zero....he wont make dubious sacs against a player who he knows he can beat easily

What is definition of super GM?
In 2 games Zhao may draw with white but will probably lose with black.This was the result between Johansen and M.Gurevich about 2005.

Desmond
30-10-2007, 05:36 PM
What is definition of super GM?
I daresay different people will respond differently, but for me 2700+ sounds about right.

Vlad
31-10-2007, 08:10 AM
We then have to allocate the 26% which is even more speculative but something like 20:6 to give us a round number of 85% is probably not unreasonable (though you could argue for something more even based on the faster time limits).


I would probably decrease this number to 75-80 due to the fact that Zhao is hugely underrated and Calrsen is a kid. Magnus will think he will beat Zhong easily and will not try hard enough.

Basil
31-10-2007, 09:27 AM
The Gunner Vibe is also worth 1 percentage point.

Denis_Jessop
31-10-2007, 09:43 AM
My point was not that I think that Yuan will beat Carlsson in their match but that he is not just an average IM, something that Ian's figures support. Thus, though the probability is that Carlsson will win their match you can't write off Yuan or at least deny him the possibility of one win (which would be a very good achievement) especially against a player who likes to take risks.

As for the definition of "super GM", when Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Bronstein and co were the tops a rating of 2600+ was regarded as super GM status and there were only about 10 of them. Now with rating inflation 2700 or even more would probably be the rating level. There are 22 players above 2700 but, interestingly, 9 of those are below 2720. The rest are:

1 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2801
2 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2787
3 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2785
4 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2769
5 Leko, Peter g HUN 2755
6 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2755
7 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2752
8 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2742
9 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2741
10 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2739
11 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2736
12 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2732
13 Adams, Michael g ENG 2729

so it's largely a matter of opinion.

DJ

Intuition
31-10-2007, 10:29 AM
anyway will be interesting to see what happens..i think zhao will loose every game

Sutek
31-10-2007, 01:45 PM
The difference in world rankings is a bit of a concern!

http://www.fide.com/ratings/topl.phtml?code=%201503014


http://www.fide.com/ratings/topl.phtml?code=%203202534

The_Wise_Man
31-10-2007, 07:34 PM
I think we will have some very high quality and entertaining games at hand...

Should be a treat for Australian chess fans.... Bring it on Carlsen v Zhao!!!! :owned: :owned:

Can someone tell me who supporting Zhao as his seconds... Rogers and Weekes???

Wise

Axiom
31-10-2007, 08:26 PM
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.
Plato

With 390 posts since feb 2004, you are indeed a most very wise man .

Vlad
31-10-2007, 10:04 PM
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.
Plato

With 390 posts since feb 2004, you are indeed a most very wise man .

Hard to see what your point is in attacking completely innocent post.

Kevin Bonham
01-11-2007, 12:21 PM
still saying he has a chance is a very big call to make against carlsen who is bordering on superGM..our best players simply can't match it with the worlds best..and yes i know smerdon drew kaz once (just)

Smerdon also drew with Ivanchuk (now world #2!) not long ago and has other non-loss results against world-class opposition.

Realistically it's hard to see Zhao doing too much damage to Carlsen unless the latter gets cocky (as juniors sometimes do, however strong) but my view is along the same lines as Met's - there's no guarantee the kid will wipe him 2-0.

Axiom
01-11-2007, 01:39 PM
Hard to see what your point is in attacking completely innocent post. perhaps i should have included a ;)

WhiteElephant
01-11-2007, 02:24 PM
perhaps i should have included a ;)

Yeah I initially thought WTF but then I saw that it was from you Axiom and knew it must have been tongue in cheek.

Ian Rout
01-11-2007, 03:06 PM
Smerdon also drew with Ivanchuk (now world #2!) not long ago and has other non-loss results against world-class opposition.

Realistically it's hard to see Zhao doing too much damage to Carlsen unless the latter gets cocky (as juniors sometimes do, however strong) but my view is along the same lines as Met's - there's no guarantee the kid will wipe him 2-0.
Of course Carlsen doesn't need 2-0, 1.5-0.5 will do. If he wins the first game he should at that rating difference be able to draw the second. The interesting case is if the first game is drawn and we get the Shirov-Nisipeaneau scenario.

Vlad
01-11-2007, 11:26 PM
perhaps i should have included a ;)

Sorry, was too serious.:)

sonyrobocup
02-11-2007, 04:15 PM
I hate this. We can only send one player, and nobody from Australia has ever even won a game in World Cup. Now, this pattern may continute. Howcome everytime Australia's representative is always one of the lowest seeds.

sonyrobocup
02-11-2007, 04:17 PM
Anyone thinks this system in which the top seed plays the lowest seed (2787 vs 2352!!!) is fair?

Axiom
02-11-2007, 04:50 PM
Anyone thinks this system in which the top seed plays the lowest seed (2787 vs 2352!!!) is fair?
do you think an alternative seeded knockout format is fairer ? :doh:

Kevin Bonham
03-11-2007, 07:33 PM
Of course Carlsen doesn't need 2-0, 1.5-0.5 will do. If he wins the first game he should at that rating difference be able to draw the second. The interesting case is if the first game is drawn and we get the Shirov-Nisipeaneau scenario.

Johansen's draw against Gurevich with White last time was actually pretty comfortable (his position may have been slightly better IIRC). However the second game was pretty lopsided.

What will be really interesting is if an Australian player ever draws the first game with Black, leaving one of these super-GMs needing to win with Black to avoid a playoff where there may be a greater "random" element.


I hate this. We can only send one player, and nobody from Australia has ever even won a game in World Cup. Now, this pattern may continute. Howcome everytime Australia's representative is always one of the lowest seeds.

Because our entrants get in by winning one of the softest zones. If we had to compete on an equal footing for 128 places it is probable we would not win a spot in most years, but the Oceania Zonal makes it very likely someone from Australia will qualify.

By the way there were (however remote) possibilities for other Australian players to qualify, eg through the Asian Championships.

Johanath
24-11-2007, 12:54 PM
This tournament has started in Khanty-Mansisky in Russia. Among the list of 128 participants is none other than Australia's IM Zhao. A list of participants can be found here:

http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=1401

All the best to our Australian representative!

Denis_Jessop
24-11-2007, 05:00 PM
This tournament has started in Khanty-Mansisky in Russia. Among the list of 128 participants is none other than Australia's IM Zhao. A list of participants can be found here:

http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=1401

All the best to our Australian representative!

If you want to kill two birds etc, there is also a link on the Chess Vibes page to the World Youth website where competition is well advanced.

DJ

soupman_2
24-11-2007, 06:54 PM
I got through to this page, but no games yet

http://cup2007.fide.com/round.asp

Johanath
24-11-2007, 10:22 PM
IM Zhao faces off against the Wonder kid, GM Magnus Carlsen in Rd 1!

http://cup2007.fide.com/round.asp

Games are being broadcasted live and the game looks quite even at the moment!

Garvinator
25-11-2007, 01:43 AM
IM Zhao faces off against the Wonder kid, GM Magnus Carlsen in Rd 1!

http://cup2007.fide.com/round.asp

Games are being broadcasted live and the game looks quite even at the moment!
Zong Yuan Zhao lost his first round game to Carlsen.

[White "Zhao, Zong-Yuan"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. Nc3 Bb7 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 O-O
8. Bd3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. exd4 d5 11. Bxf6 Bxf6 12. cxd5 exd5 13. Re1
Nc6 14. Bc2 Qd6 15. Qd3 g6 16. Bb3 Na5 17. Ne5 Bg7 18. Re2 Nxb3 19.
axb3 a6 20. Rae1 Rad8 21. h3 b5 22. Qd2 Bc8 23. Na2 Rde8 24. Qb4 Re6
25. Qxd6 Rxd6 26. Nb4 g5 27. Nbd3 Bf5 28. Nc5 b4 29. g4 Bc8 30. Ncd3
a5 31. Nc5 Kh7 32. f3 f6 33. Ned3 f5 34. Re7 fxg4 35. fxg4 h5 36. Ne5
hxg4 37. hxg4 Rf4 38. Ra1 Rxd4 39. Rxa5 Rd8 40. Raa7 Rg8 41. Kf2 Kh6
42. Ncd7 Bxd7 43. Ra6+ Kh7 44. Nxd7 Kh8 45. Ne5 Rf8+ 46. Rf7 Rf4+ 47.
Rxf4 Rxf4+ 48. Nf3 Rxg4 49. Rg6 Bd4+ 50. Nxd4 Kh7 51. Rd6 Rxd4 52. Ke3
Re4+ 53. Kd3 Rf4 54. Rxd5 Kg6 55. Rb5 Rf3+ 56. Kc2 Rf4 57. Kd3 Kh5 58.
Ke2 Kg4 59. Rc5 Kh4 60. Ke3 Rg4 61. Kf2 Kh3 62. Rc4 Rg2+ 63. Kf1 Rxb2
64. Rxb4 g4 65. Rb8 Rb1+ 66. Ke2 g3 67. b4 Rb3 68. Rh8+ Kg2 69. Rb8
Kh2 70. Rh8+ Kg1 71. Rh4 g2 72. Ke1 Rb2 0-1

Capablanca-Fan
25-11-2007, 04:17 PM
Zong Yuan Zhao lost his first round game to Carlsen.

[White "Zhao, Zong-Yuan"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. Nc3 Bb7 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 O-O
8. Bd3 c5 9. O-O cxd4 10. exd4 d5 11. Bxf6 Bxf6 12. cxd5 exd5 13. Re1
Nc6 14. Bc2 Qd6 15. Qd3 g6 16. Bb3 Na5 17. Ne5 Bg7 18. Re2 Nxb3 19.
axb3 a6 20. Rae1 Rad8 21. h3 b5 22. Qd2 Bc8 23. Na2 Rde8 24. Qb4 Re6
25. Qxd6 Rxd6 26. Nb4 g5 27. Nbd3 Bf5 28. Nc5 b4 29. g4 Bc8 30. Ncd3
a5 31. Nc5 Kh7 32. f3 f6 33. Ned3 f5 34. Re7 fxg4 35. fxg4 h5 36. Ne5
hxg4 37. hxg4 Rf4 38. Ra1 Rxd4 39. Rxa5 Rd8 40. Raa7 Rg8 41. Kf2 Kh6
42. Ncd7 Bxd7 43. Ra6+ Kh7 44. Nxd7 Kh8 45. Ne5 Rf8+ 46. Rf7 Rf4+ 47.
Rxf4 Rxf4+ 48. Nf3 Rxg4 49. Rg6 Bd4+ 50. Nxd4 Kh7 51. Rd6 Rxd4 52. Ke3
Re4+ 53. Kd3 Rf4 54. Rxd5 Kg6 55. Rb5 Rf3+ 56. Kc2 Rf4 57. Kd3 Kh5 58.
Ke2 Kg4 59. Rc5 Kh4 60. Ke3 Rg4 61. Kf2 Kh3 62. Rc4 Rg2+ 63. Kf1 Rxb2
64. Rxb4 g4 65. Rb8 Rb1+ 66. Ke2 g3 67. b4 Rb3 68. Rh8+ Kg2 69. Rb8
Kh2 70. Rh8+ Kg1 71. Rh4 g2 72. Ke1 Rb2 0-1
Strange game. White seemed to be doing OK, with two well placed Ns, active Rs and reduced material.

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2007, 07:43 PM
Those RP v RP endings where one side has a more dangerous passed pawn are nasty.

According to mangafranga (I think) in the shoutbox it was a tablebase draw but 67.b4 blew it. The issue is whether White can arrange to give up rook for pawn in such a way that he attains a drawn KP vs KR. Having the king cut off by ...Rb3 did not assist this mission.

Damn shame that; he fought well.

soupman_2
25-11-2007, 08:09 PM
From 22.11.07 to 18.12.07 Khanty-Mansiysk will conduct World Chess Cup
and welcome 128 chess players on the land of Ugra. FIDE finalized the format of the World Cup as follows: It will be the format of Knock-Out system : seven rounds of matches with two game each except the Last Round (the final match),which will include FOUR games. This decision was taken during WCCC meeting and approved on 18.07.07 by FIDE President.
In the first round 128 players.
In the second round 64 players.
In the third round 32 players.
In the fourth round16 players.
In the fifth round 8 players.
In the sixth round 4 players.
In the seventh round 2 players.
In September FIDE representatives will visit the capital of Ugra with the inspection of preparation process for Chess World Cup 2007 and Chess Olympiad.

Competition program of Chess World Cup 2007

Date Event
22.11.07 Arrival
23.11.07 Opening ceremony
24.11.07 Round I- game 1
25.11.07 Round I- game 2
26.11.07 Tie break
27.11.07 Round II- game 1
28.11.07 Round II- game 2
29.11.07 Tie break
30.11.07 Round III- game 1
1.12.07 Round III- game 2
2.12.07 Tie break
3.12.07 Round IV- game 1
4.12.07 Round IV- game 2
5.12.07 Tie break
6.12.07 Round V- game 1
7.12.07 Round V- game 2
8.12.07 Tie break
9.12.07 Round VI- game 1
10.12.07 Round VI- game 2
11.12.07 Tie break
12.12.07 Free day
13.12.07 Round VII- game 1
14.12.07 Round VII- game 2
15.12.07 Round VII- game 3
16.12.07 Round VII- game 4
17.12.07 Tie break. Closing Ceremony
18.12.07 Departure

Source: http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/main_e.htm
***************
ChessBase has a map http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4278

Does anyone know the daily starting time?

Leonid Sandler
25-11-2007, 08:21 PM
Games are starting at 9-00pm AEST or 1-00pm moscow time.(time difference 8 hours)

Desmond
25-11-2007, 10:21 PM
http://www.ugra-chess.ru/foto/1_day/23.jpg

Igor_Goldenberg
26-11-2007, 09:46 AM
Zhao went down in another close game. Despite disappointing result he played well. I doubt any Australian player would be able to do better.

Event: World Cup
Site: Khanty-Mansiysk RUS
Date: 2007.11.25
Round: 1.2
White: Carlsen,M
Black: Zhao Zong Yuan
Result: 1-0
WhiteElo: 2714
BlackElo: 2491
EventDate: 2007.11.24
ECO: E11

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. d4 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 Qe7 5. g3 Nc6 6. Nc3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 Ne4
8. Qc2 Nxc3 9. Qxc3 O-O 10. Bg2 d6 11. d5 Nb8 12. O-O e5 13. c5 Bg4 14.
Rac1 a5 15. Rfe1 Na6 16. cxd6 cxd6 17. Nd2 b6 18. Qe3 Nc5 19. b3 Bd7 20. a3
Bb5 21. b4 axb4 22. axb4 Nd7 23. Ne4 Rfb8 24. Rc7 Qd8 25. Rc6 Bxc6 26. dxc6
d5 27. cxd7 dxe4 28. Bxe4 Ra4 29. Bc6 Rxb4 30. Qxe5 Qf8 31. Rd1 Rd8 32. Rd3
Rg4 33. Re3 Rg6 34. Qe7 Re6 35. Rxe6 fxe6 36. Qxe6+ 1-0

Intuition
26-11-2007, 11:03 AM
2-0 nice games by carlsen.....guess i guessed right ......aussie players simply are no match against the top players...our tops can generally only get a rare draw at best..zhao played bravely

Basil
26-11-2007, 11:38 AM
2-0 nice games by carlsen...
Certainly the second.


aussie players simply are no match against the top players ... our tops can generally only get a rare draw at best
Then I suggest you look up the meaning of 'no match'. The first game was a clear indication that ZYZ is a match.

Ian Rout
26-11-2007, 02:01 PM
If we want to look at ratings, fortunately I have an envelope at hand.

Zhao is rated nearly 2500 but his performance of late is more towards 2600 - FIDE ratings take a while to catch up especially if someone doesn't play a lot. So let us say the true difference is about 150 points (Carlsen is 2714) or an expected score of 70% in round numbers.

The Elo scale doesn't (and can't) tell us the ratio of wins to draws, only the net, but let's notionally say the 70% is made up of 50% wins, 40% draws and 10% losses. On that basis the odds of the higher-rated player winning the two-game match would be 65% and of losing 9%, with a tie 26%. You can check this with your own envelope.

We then have to allocate the 26% which is even more speculative but something like 20:6 to give us a round number of 85% is probably not unreasonable (though you could argue for something more even based on the faster time limits).

Of course there are other factors: for instance the above numbers don't account for Black and White games; the loser of the first game may play more riskily in the scond game with nothing to lose; or if the first game is a draw the higher-rated player may take more chances in preference to the lottery of the rapid play-offs (e.g. Shirov - Nisipeaneau).
Now that the first round at normal time is over I thought it might be interesting to check the above theorising against the practice where the differences really were about 150.

There are no pairings with an exact difference of 150 and one wouldn't be much use anyway, but there are thirteen with a difference between 120 and 180.

Compared to a 65:26:9 breakdown, which translates to 8.4-3.4-1.2, the actual results were 7-4-2. This isn't exactly as per the forecast but it also isn't hugely removed from it.

Obviously there are several simplifications and assumptions but looking at both the theory and practice I think it's fair to conclude that the two-game matches give the underdog a real chance to win or at least get to a tie-break. In fact there was even one tie among the top ten boards.

sonyrobocup
26-11-2007, 03:32 PM
The second game was totally dominated by Carslen. Zhao could only put up some resistance when he had white, so I think the word "no match" is appropriate.

Igor_Goldenberg
26-11-2007, 03:49 PM
The second game was totally dominated by Carslen.
Disagree

soupman_2
26-11-2007, 05:51 PM
I'm not really sure of the time factor, as there were delays in receiving some of the moves, but my impression is that Magnus Carlsen spent some time (30 mins?) calculating variations before making the rook sacrifice 25. Rc6. I think that move won him the game.

soupman_2
26-11-2007, 06:46 PM
The endgame in zhao-carlsen game 1 gets a special mention on Susan Polger's blog
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/search/label/Khanty-Mansiysk

Magnus Carlsen's blog (written by his father) rates move 25. Rc6, in Game 2, very highly.
http://blog.magnuschess.com/

Johanath
27-11-2007, 08:53 PM
Press conference in Russian, with Zhao and Yuhua

http://www.ugra-chess.ru/rus/interv_3_r.htm

An overview of all the other press conferences (including the above) can be found here:

http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/interv_e.htm

Desmond
27-11-2007, 08:59 PM
Press conference in Russian, with Zhao and Yuhua

http://www.ugra-chess.ru/rus/interv_3_r.htm

An overview of all the other press conferences (including the above) can be found here:

http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/interv_e.htm

Judging by their page naming convention, the translation of ZHZ's interview will be: http://www.ugra-chess.ru/rus/interv_3_e.htm but it not done yet.

Rhubarb
27-11-2007, 09:12 PM
Judging by their page naming convention, the translation of ZHZ's interview will be: http://www.ugra-chess.ru/rus/interv_3_e.htm but it not done yet.
There's always Babel Fish (snigger) ...


Syuy Of yukhua: "Chinese hegemony will not interrupt"

The champion of peace among the women Of syuy Of yukhua proved to be by the only representative of the fair sex among 126 participants in the goblet of peace. Alas, in so representative man a company she was held not long, whereas in the first circle after yielding Malakhovu. And nevertheless mood in Chinese woman was excellent, it leaves Khanty Mansiysk with the highly raised head. Chinese woman with the pleasure arrived to the press conference. Alas, in contrast to his predecessors on the throne Se Of tszyun' and Chzhu Of chen', Syuy it insufficiently rapidly tells in English; therefore as the translator from the Chinese appeared Chzhon Of yuan Chzhao, represented at the tournament Australia and also departed in the first circle by hand Karlsena.

How did influence the generation of child your career?

After the appearance of a child i not had sufficient time so that it is serious to work at chess. Before the arrival in it is Khanty Mansiysk 4, certainly, it were occupied, but, possibly, insufficiently much. Malakhov - strong rival; therefore nothing surprising it occurred, although I tried.

For you it already was necessary to play in Russia - in the Urals, in Krasnotur'inske. We could compare their impressions from the visit on that tournament and in it was Khanty Mansiysk?

A main difference in these tournaments in the fact that here I was only girl, while in the tournaments in their Krasnotur'inske somewhat more. As far as the general organization of the goblet of peace is concerned, everything was pleased to me, it is conducted at the very high level.

You do not fear to repeat the way of other Chinese chess players, who, after conquering chess crown, did then create family and their results dispatch to the loss?

First of all, it is necessary to say that this sufficiently normal phenomenon. When man vzrosleyet, he where more than time gives to the family and the children. But, in spite of this, I still hope that I still will continue chess. And if sometimes I want to leave from chess, this will occur not because of the competition, but because to me simply it will tire to play...

Do not have you fear that the Chinese hegemony in female chess can interrupt: you yielded "gold" at the last Olympiad to the Ukraine, and now still lustrously began to play the team of Russia, which conquered in the championship of Europe. You do attempt to make what so that this it would not occur?

Russia won the command championship of Europe because China simply could not participate in it! Now the entire generation of young chess players grows. And in the future they undoubtedly have good chances to continue victorious tradition. However, that before our reaction, about this it is necessary to ask in trainers, but not in players.

(Question Of chzhon To yuanu Chzhao): Did not influence the result of the elections of prime minister in Australia for your game in the first party with Magnus Karlsenom?

Really you in the course?! Certainly, I was very contented by the result of elections, they speak, that in our country democracy reigns... But it is generally difficult to find the dependence of the results of my game on the change of the government of Australia. In the first party, possibly, me it was to be not persisted and agree on by nich'yu. But the secondly Of karlsen it deserved victory; therefore result is completely valid.

(Question Of syuy Of yukhua): Do plan you to continue to play for the Russian command OF "AVS"?

Me it pleases itself to play for this command. 4 thus far was not obtained invitation for following yr, but I hope that our collaboration will continue.

It is known that in China Chinese chess enjoy large popularity. But is there sufficient whether financing in international chess ?

Beginning from 1991, when Chinese chess player won champion title, in the development of international chess in our country gigantic jump occurred. I hope, the chess players of China will continue to gladden their fans, also, subsequently.

(Question Of chzhon To yuanu Chzhao): You participated in the demonstration program of chess during the sidneyskoy Olympiad. Can describe about your experience?

When this happened, to me it was years 14. I obtained invitation at the quite last moment, after the refusal of Alexandra Kostenyuk, and this was for me a good experience. It goes without saying, greatly it was pleased to me.

Desmond
27-11-2007, 09:18 PM
:lol:

Basil
27-11-2007, 09:25 PM
The English Language Dies A Thousand ... forget it - I dunwanna go there ;)

WhiteElephant
27-11-2007, 10:08 PM
Zhou got asked 2 questions - whether the Australian elections affected his games and whether he participated in the chess demonstration program at the Sydney Olympics.

Desmond
28-11-2007, 12:00 AM
From the official website:

The Round One of the World Cup has officially ended today. 62 players were eliminated from the contention. Not everyone is going home; some players will stay to assist their friends during the further stages. The field is now narrowed to 64.
What happened to the other 2 players?

Garvinator
28-11-2007, 01:03 AM
From the official website:

What happened to the other 2 players?
From chessbase:

The FIDE World Cup started on Saturday in Khanty Mansiysk, with 126 participants (instead of the 128 scheduled players, due to withdraws by Zamora because of illness and Izoria because of visa problems). There was a lot of tension on the remaining 62 tables,

Denis_Jessop
28-11-2007, 03:19 PM
I quickly dowloaded a translator for the Mac and got the following regarding Yuan



(Question Jong Yuanu Zhao): Do not influenced the outcome of the elections, Prime Minister of Australia on your game in the first installment of Magnus Carlsen?

Of course, I was very pleased with the result of the election, they say that in our country there is democracy ... And even difficult to find my game dependence results from the change of government of Australia. In the first installment, perhaps I should not persist and agree to a draw. And in the second Carlsen deserved victory, so the result is true.


(Question Jong Yuanu Zhao): You have participated in the demonstration program of chess during the Sydney Olympics. Can you tell about their experiences?

When that happened, I was in summer 14. I received an invitation at the last moment, after refusing Alexandra Kosteniuk, and this was a good experience for me. Obviously, I am very upset.

Something like Shirty's with Babel Fish though I prefer Yuan's apparent opinion that he was very upset at having refused Alexandra Kosteniuk - who wouldn't be?

More to the point did Carlsen offer a draw in the first game?

DJ

soupman_2
29-11-2007, 07:42 PM
Does anyone have any details re the tiebreaks: Format? Times?

soupman_2
29-11-2007, 07:52 PM
A quote from the Magnus Carlsen blog (written by his father):
Most of Friday night was spent for accreditation, the Players meeting, Opening ceremony and the Governor's reception, and Magnus was very tired when preparing for black in the first game against IM Zhao from Australia.
He got a long night sleep but still felt a bit exhausted during the long tense game today.
Missing several of white's continuation he managed to pull him self together to put up sufficient resistance to avoid a loss. In the slightly better endgame he tried a last trick Bd4+. Young Zhao thought both Ke2 and Nxd4 would draw and he chose Nxd4 having missed Kh7 with a very promising rook endgame for black.
Zhao defended quite well but in the end the black g-pawn decided the game. 0-1 and the best possible start for Magnus.
All credits to the most likeable young Australian, who is clearly underrated and more than ready to play for his GM-norms in Europe this winter.
Henrik Carlsen
Khanty-Mansiysk, November 24th
http://blog.magnuschess.com/

Kevin Bonham
29-11-2007, 09:34 PM
Major upset in round two (as major as anything can really be an upset when you only have two game matches): Radjabov out of business, beaten 2-0 by Macieja.

In his not-so-upset round 1 win over Short, Baramidze turned up 24 minutes late to his 25 minute rapid playoff game ... and won it! Baramidze had overslept owing to jetlag.

Macieja-Radjabov

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. d3 fxe4 5. dxe4 Nf6 6. O-O Bc5 7. Bxc6 bxc6 8.
Nxe5 O-O 9. Bg5 Qe8 10. Bxf6 Rxf6 11. Nd3 Bd4 12. c3 Bb6 13. Nd2 d6 14. c4 Qg6
15. Kh1 Bg4 16. f3 Be6 17. f4 Bg4 18. Qe1 Re8 19. c5 Bxc5 20. Nxc5 dxc5 21. h3
Bc8 22. Qe3 Qh6 23. Rf3 Rd8 24. Nc4 Rd4 25. b3 Qh4 26. Raf1 Rf8 27. Ne5 Qf6 28.
Rc1 Qd6 29. Nxc6 Rd1+ 30. Rxd1 Qxd1+ 31. Kh2 Qd6 32. Ne5 Bb7 33. Nd3 c4 34. bxc4
Re8 35. Ne5 c5 36. Rf2 Rd8 37. Rb2 Ba8 38. Nf3 Rf8 39. e5 Qe6 40. Qxc5 Qf5 41.
Qe3 Be4 42. c5 Bd5 43. Rd2 Ba8 44. Nd4 Qxf4+ 45. Qxf4 Rxf4 46. Ne6 Rc4 47. Ng5
1-0

Radjabov-Macieja

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Bg2 dxc4 7. O-O Nbd7 8.
Qa4 a5 9. a3 Nb6 10. Qc2 Be7 11. e4 Bd7 12. Be3 h6 13. Ne5 Qe8 14. f4 Ba4 15.
Qe2 Bb3 16. f5 Ra6 17. Ng4 Nxg4 18. Qxg4 exf5 19. Rxf5 Nd7 20. e5 Rg6 21. Qe2 c6
22. Raf1 b5 23. Ne4 c3 24. Nxc3 Bc4 25. Qh5 Bxf1 26. Rxf1 c5 27. Bf4 cxd4 28.
Nxb5 Nc5 29. Nxd4 Ne6 30. Nf5 Nxf4 31. gxf4 Bc5+ 32. Kh1 Qb5 33. Ng3 Rd8 34. Qh4
Rd2 35. f5 Rg5 36. e6 Rxg2 0-1

Kevin Bonham
30-11-2007, 11:07 AM
Round three matchups


Top Half - Top Quarter
Ivanchuk, Vassily UKR 2787 vs Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter ROU 2668
Bacrot, Etienne FRA 2695 vs Karjakin, Sergey UKR 2694

Alekseev, Evgeny RUS 2716 vs Fressinet, Laurent FRA 2654
Grischuk, Alexander RUS 2715 vs Bareev, Evgeny RUS 2653
Top Half - Bottom Quarter
Aronian, Levon ARM 2741 vs Inarkiev, Ernesto RUS 2674
Jakovenko, Dmitry RUS 2710 vs Almasi, Zoltan HUN 2691

Shirov, Alexei ESP 2739 vs Onischuk, Alexander USA 2674
Akopian, Vladimir ARM 2713 vs Malakhov, Vladimir RUS 2690
Bottom Half - Top Quarter
Macieja, Bartlomiej POL 2606 vs Sasikiran, Krishnan IND 2661
Ponomariov, Ruslan UKR 2705 vs Tomashevsky, Evgeny RUS 2646

Svidler, Peter RUS 2732 vs Rublevsky, Sergei RUS 2676
Kamsky, Gata USA 2714 vs Georgiev, Kiril BUL 2649

Bottom Half - Bottom Quarter
Adams, Michael ENG 2729 vs Zhou, Jianchao CHN 2566
Carlsen, Magnus NOR 2714 vs Dominguez Perez, Lenier CUB 2683

Wang, Yue CHN 2703 vs Bu, Xiangzhi CHN 2692
Cheparinov, Ivan BUL 2670 vs Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar AZE 2752

Kevin Bonham
01-12-2007, 10:42 PM
Mamedyarov will be the next big casualty by the looks of it. He lost to Cheparinov yesterday and is going to have just a straight rook for two pieces against the same opponent today.

Bacrot, Karjakin direct to playoffs with 16-move draw, doubtless of very high Chicken Factor.

Kevin Bonham
01-12-2007, 10:47 PM
Draw agreed, Mamedyarov out!

Nisipeanu - Ivanchuk drawn, to playoffs.

Aronian - Inarkiev ditto.

Kevin Bonham
02-12-2007, 11:11 AM
Onischuk - Shirov. Absolute smash in classic Shirov style (20...g5); Onischuk should have resigned at least 10 moves from the end.

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 dxc4 5. e3 b5 6. a4 Bb4 7. Bd2 a5 8. axb5
Bxc3 9. Bxc3 cxb5 10. b3 Bb7 11. bxc4 b4 12. Bb2 Nf6 13. Bd3 O-O 14. O-O Nbd7
15. Re1 Ne4 16. Qc2 f5 17. c5 Qc7 18. Bb5 Bd5 19. Qe2 Ndf6 20. h3 g5 21. Ne5 g4
22. hxg4 fxg4 23. Nd3 Qg7 24. Nf4 Qh6 25. Rf1 g3 26. Nh3 gxf2+ 27. Rxf2 Nxf2 28.
Nxf2 Bxg2 29. Kxg2 Ra7 30. Rh1 Qg6+ 31. Kf1 Ng4 32. Be8 Qb1+ 33. Kg2 Rxf2+ 34.
Qxf2 Qxh1+ 35. Kxh1 Nxf2+ 36. Kg2 Nd1 37. Bc1 b3 38. e4 b2 39. Bxb2 Nxb2 40. Bb5
a4 41. d5 exd5 42. exd5 a3 0-1

Kevin Bonham
02-12-2007, 12:02 PM
Sasikiran - Macieja. Around move 44 Gunner suggested someone should give black a slap, presumably for playing on in a lost position, but Sasikiran botched the ending and Macieja drew in 133!

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 d5 5. cxd5 Qxd5 6. Nf3 Qf5 7. Qxf5 exf5 8.
a3 Bd6 9. g3 Be6 10. Bf4 Nd5 11. e3 Nxf4 12. gxf4 c6 13. O-O-O Nd7 14. d5 cxd5
15. Nxd5 Rc8+ 16. Kb1 Rc5 17. Nc3 Ke7 18. Nd4 Nf6 19. Bg2 Bd7 20. Rc1 Rb8 21.
Rc2 a6 22. Rd1 Rcc8 23. Nb3 b5 24. Rcd2 b4 25. axb4 Bxb4 26. Rxd7+ Nxd7 27. Nd5+
Ke8 28. Bf1 a5 29. Nd4 Bc5 30. Ba6 Bxd4 31. Bxc8 Bxb2 32. Bxd7+ Kxd7 33. Ka2 a4
34. Nb4+ Ke6 35. Na6 Rc8 36. Kxb2 Rc4 37. Rd2 f6 38. Ka3 g5 39. fxg5 fxg5 40.
Nb4 Rh4 41. f3 f4 42. exf4 Rxf4 43. Rf2 g4 44. Re2+ Kf5 45. fxg4+ Kxg4 46. Nd3
Rd4 47. Re3 Kh4 48. Ne1 Kh5 49. Ng2 Rg4 50. Rh3+ Kg6 51. Ne3 Rd4 52. Rg3+ Kh5
53. Rf3 Rh4 54. Nf1 Kg4 55. Rg3+ Kf4 56. Rc3 Kg5 57. Rc5+ Kg4 58. Kxa4 Kh3+ 59.
Kb3 Rf4 60. Nd2 Kxh2 61. Kc3 Kg3 62. Kd3 Kg4 63. Ke3 Rf5 64. Rc4+ Kg5 65. Ne4+
Kg6 66. Rc6+ Kg7 67. Ng3 Ra5 68. Kf4 Kf7 69. Nf5 Ra1 70. Nd6+ Ke7 71. Ne4 Rh1
72. Ra6 Rh4+ 73. Kf5 Rh5+ 74. Kg4 Rh1 75. Nf6 Rg1+ 76. Kf5 Rf1+ 77. Ke5 Re1+ 78.
Ne4 Kf7 79. Rb6 h5 80. Kf5 Rf1+ 81. Kg5 Rg1+ 82. Kxh5 Ke7 83. Ng5 Rh1+ 84. Kg4
Rf1 85. Nf3 Ra1 86. Kf5 Rf1 87. Ke4 Ra1 88. Rh6 Kd7 89. Ne5+ Ke7 90. Nc4 Re1+
91. Ne3 Kd7 92. Rh3 Ke6 93. Kf4 Kd6 94. Rh6+ Kc5 95. Ke4 Rg1 96. Rh5+ Kc6 97.
Kd4 Ra1 98. Rh6+ Kd7 99. Nf5 Ra4+ 100. Ke5 Ra5+ 101. Ke4 Ra4+ 102. Nd4 Ra1 103.
Rb6 Rh1 104. Ke5 Rh5+ 105. Nf5 Rh1 106. Kd5 Rd1+ 107. Nd4 Ke7 108. Re6+ Kf7 109.
Re2 Kf6 110. Rf2+ Ke7 111. Rf4 Rd2 112. Rf1 Rd3 113. Ra1 Kf6 114. Ra6+ Ke7 115.
Rb6 Rd1 116. Rh6 Rd3 117. Rh1 Kf6 118. Ke4 Ra3 119. Rh6+ Kf7 120. Rb6 Ra1 121.
Nf3 Ke7 122. Kf5 Rf1 123. Kf4 Ra1 124. Ke4 Rh1 125. Ke5 Rh5+ 126. Kf4 Rh1 127.
Nd4 Rf1+ 128. Ke5 Re1+ 129. Kd5 Rd1 130. Rb3 Kf6 131. Rb2 Ke7 132. Re2+ Kd7 133.
Rh2 1/2-1/2

Rhubarb
02-12-2007, 12:19 PM
Onischuk - Shirov. Absolute smash in classic Shirov style (20...g5); Onischuk should have resigned at least 10 moves from the end.
Watched this one from start to finish. Classic Shirov - overturned dogma (central preponderance is nothing if it's controlled!) and then attacked to the death.

Rhubarb
02-12-2007, 12:22 PM
Sasikiran - Macieja. Around move 44 Gunner suggested someone should give black a slap, presumably for playing on in a lost position, but Sasikiran botched the ending and Macieja drew in 133!
I could not believe Sasikiran stuffed this one up. Technique worthy of ... myself :oops:

Garvinator
02-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Of the players remaining, I think Cheparinov winning the fide world cup would be the most amusing.

Basil
02-12-2007, 10:35 PM
All credits to the most likeable young Australian, who is clearly underrated and more than ready to play for his GM-norms in Europe this winter.
Henrik Carlsen
Khanty-Mansiysk, November 24th
http://blog.magnuschess.com/
Clearly underrated? Excellent. Thanks.

Basil
02-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Would like to make mention that the design of the World Cup web-site sucks the fat one so much that it should choke with embarrassment! Equally, a number of Australian web-sites tower over it from an aesthetics perspective.

I've taken the opportunity to observe this publicly during the half-time break of our collective second favourite past-time, being 'kicking' the Australian state of affairs.

This message was brought to you by Coca Cola and the Mad Dogs and Englishmen Collective. Thank you for your attention. Carry on!

Bill Gletsos
03-12-2007, 07:34 PM
Round 4 pairings:

Karjakin, UKR 2694 - Nisipeanu, ROM 2668
Bareev, RUS 2653 - Alekseev, RUS 2716
Jakovenko, RUS 2710 - Aronian, ARM 2741
Shirov, ESP 2739 - Akopian, ARM 2713
Ponomariov, UKR 2705 - Sasikiran, IND 2661
Kamsky, USA 2714 - Svidler, RUS 2732
Adams, ENG 2729 - Carlsen, NOR 2714
Wang Yue, CHN 2703 - Cheparinov, BUL 2670

soupman_2
03-12-2007, 09:25 PM
The bulletins are interesting: packed with interviews.
http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/news_10_e.htm

A quote from Bulletin 3:
"There was a joke that no one would like to win this World Cup as nobody wants to play in a match with Topalov in Sofia."

I've been following Carlsen, now that our Zhao is out. He's pretty good that young Magnus. (He turned 17 just a few days ago.) He could be a surprise winner here.

pax
05-12-2007, 01:37 AM
I've been following Carlsen, now that our Zhao is out. He's pretty good that young Magnus. (He turned 17 just a few days ago.) He could be a surprise winner here.

I don't know that Carlsen would be any more of a surprise than anyone else. Early on, he was probably my second favourite after Ivanchuk.

Vlad
05-12-2007, 06:01 AM
Clearly underrated? Excellent. Thanks.

Great guy, Henrik Carlsen I mean, I had a quick talk to him in Moscow. He even agreed to take a picture with... Well, you know with whom.:)

http://www.chesspro.ru/_events/2007/tal14.html

Brian_Jones
05-12-2007, 07:22 AM
Great guy, Henrik Carlsen I mean, I had a quick talk to him in Moscow. He even agreed to take a picture with... Well, you know with whom.:)

http://www.chesspro.ru/_events/2007/tal14.html

Great picture of Magnus Carlsen's dad - and the russian midget next to him seems vaguely familiar?

Kevin Bonham
05-12-2007, 11:13 PM
I believe the draw for round 5 will be:

Karjakin vs Alekseev
Jakovenko vs Shirov
Ponomariov vs Kamsky
Cheparinov vs Carlsen

Kevin Bonham
06-12-2007, 10:44 AM
All discussion stemming from Nigel Short's loss to a very late arriving opponent has been moved to Arbiter's Corner here (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=7280).

Intuition
07-12-2007, 10:06 PM
carlsen will win the world cup...unlucky for zhao to draw him first

Metro
08-12-2007, 12:38 PM
carlsen will win the world cup...unlucky for zhao to draw him first

"Sunday December 9th Magnus plays white against Kamsky(2714)who has the exact same October 2007 rating as Magnus!"-Henrik Carlsen

Kevin Bonham
09-12-2007, 12:03 AM
So Carlsen vs Kamsky and Karjakin vs Shirov.

Two of the best young guns versus two relative veterans both apparently in excellent touch. Great matchups, just a shame these will only be 2-game matches (plus tiebreaks if needed) rather than, say, 6 games.

Might be interesting to look at each player's record v Topalov in full-length normal games (not blindfold or rapid). As best I can tell it's something like this:

Carlsen +1=1-1
Kamsky +0=4-4
Karjakin +1=2-6. However this is misleading as Karjakin is young and some of the games are as much as five years old
Shirov +17=19-8

I was not aware that Topalov's record against Shirov in full-length games was poor.

Desmond
09-12-2007, 08:18 AM
Shirov has had a blinder of a tournament. He must be the favourite at this point.

soupman_2
09-12-2007, 06:28 PM
more great interviews

http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/news_10_e.htm

Kevin Bonham
11-12-2007, 10:53 PM
Shirov vs Kamsky in the final (4-game match).

Kamsky dominated his mini-match with Carlsen. He equalised easily playing an unusual line against the Scotch and then won the second game in very impressive style.

The Shirov-Karjakin match was very exciting - the three games that were draws before Shirov won the second rapid to go through could all have had results and two of them were very messy indeed.

Both Shirov and Kamsky have been playing some great stuff these last few rounds and deserve to be there.

Rest day tomorrow night then final starts Thursday night.

Garvinator
11-12-2007, 11:10 PM
Rest day tomorrow night then final starts Thursday night.I seem to recall that the final is four games.

Davidflude
12-12-2007, 09:14 PM
tomorrow - change library books and read until chess starts.

Friday - play at Box Hill then home to watch chess.

Saturday - watch Top Gear (alas only a repeat, Rockwiz, then the chess)

Sunday - Box Hill Chess Club birthday party then watch the chess

In between I can look at my correspondence games.

Desmond
12-12-2007, 09:49 PM
I seem to recall that the final is four games.
Yes and it seems that White is going to play 1.e4 in all 4 games:

http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/main_e.htm

;)

Metro
13-12-2007, 07:49 PM
Shirov has had a blinder of a tournament. He must be the favourite at this point.

Can someone provide link to head-to-head score between Kamsky and Shirov?
Thanks.

Kevin Bonham
13-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Can someone provide link to head-to-head score between Kamsky and Shirov?
Thanks.

You mean the head-to-head score in their past games or in this final?

Metro
13-12-2007, 08:44 PM
You mean the head-to-head score in their past games or in this final?
Past games

Kevin Bonham
13-12-2007, 09:28 PM
Past games

Based on the games in chessbase it is 6-4 to Shirov with 7 draws, excluding rapid, blindfold and blitz. However most of the games are from more than 10 years ago.

Kevin Bonham
14-12-2007, 08:32 PM
Stem game from current odd line in Kamsky-Shirov

[Event "RUS-The World"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2002.09.08"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Svidler,Peter"]
[Black "Smirin,Ilia"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B30"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Bc4 d6 5.d3 Be7 6.Nd2 Bg5 7.Qh5 Nh6 8.h3 Nd4
9.Bb5+ Kf8 10.Qd1 f5 11.Bc4 g6 12.exf5 Nhxf5 13.Nde4 Bxc1 14.Qxc1 Kg7 15.0-0 b5 16.Bxb5 d5
17.Ng3 Rf8 18.Nxf5+ Bxf5 19.f4 Qd6 20.Ba4 Be6 21.f5 Bxf5 22.Qe3 Rab8 23.Rae1 Rxb2 24.Qxe5+ Qxe5
25.Rxe5 Be6 26.Rxf8 Kxf8 27.Nxd5 Rxa2 28.Bb3 Nxb3 29.cxb3 Bf7 30.Nf6 Bxb3 31.Rxc5 a5 32.Rc7 h5
33.d4 Rd2 34.d5 Bxd5 35.Rd7 Rxg2+ 1/2

Kevin Bonham
15-12-2007, 12:00 AM
Kamsky - Shirov

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Bc4 Be7 5.d3 d6 6.Nd2 Bg5 7.Qh5 Nh6 8.h3 Nd4 9.0-0 (TN) 9...0-0 10.Nb3 Bxc1 11.Raxc1 Ne6 12.Ne2 Qf6 13.Nd2 Kh8 14.c3 g5 15.d4 Rg8 16.dxe5 dxe5 17.Nf3 Rg6 18.h4 Qg7 19.Bxe6 Bxe6 20.hxg5 f6 21.gxf6 Rxg2+ 22.Kh1 Qxf6 23.Qxe5 Qxe5 24.Nxe5 Rg5 25.f4 Rh5+ 26.Kg1 Rg8+ 27.Kf2 Rh2+ 28.Ke3 Rgg2 29.Ng1 Rxb2 30.f5 Bxa2 31.Rcd1 Rbc2? Looks like this loses 32.Rd8+ Ng8 33.Ngf3 Rxc3+ 34.Kf4 Rh6 35.Rg1 Rf6 36.Ng5 h6 37.Ngf7+ and Black resigned here to avoid 37...Bxf7 38.Nxf7+ Rxf7 39.Rgxg8+ Kh7 40.Rh8+ Kg7 41.Rdg8+ Kf6 42.e5+ Ke7 43.Re8+ Kd7 44.e6+ 1-0

Kevin Bonham
16-12-2007, 01:32 PM
Shirov - Kamsky (game 3)

Shirov should have won this game but blew it in mutual time trouble (perhaps, 32.e5 and 38.Kg2 were the main culprits). Kamsky's superior play in time trouble (despite getting way behind on the clock early in the game) has been the difference in both games 2 and 3.

Shirov must now win with Black to take the match into playoffs. Kamsky has yet to lose a game in this tournament.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.d4 Bg4 10.Be3 exd4 11.cxd4 Na5 12.Bc2 c5 13.Nc3 cxd4 14.Bxd4 Nc6 15.Bb3 Rc8 16.Re3 Nd7 17.Nd5 Bg5 18.Rc3 b4 19.Rc4 Bxf3 20.gxf3 Nxd4 21.Rxd4 a5 22.f4 Bh6 23.Qg4 Rc5 24.Ne3 Nf6 25.Qf3 Qa8 26.Rad1 g6 27.Nc4 a4 28.Nb6 Qc6 29.Nxa4 Rc1 30.Rxb4 Rxd1+ 31.Bxd1 Qc1 32.e5 dxe5 33.fxe5 Qg5+ 34.Kf1 Qxe5 35.h3 Bd2 36.Rc4 Rd8 37.Bb3 Kg7 38.Kg2 Qg5+ 39.Qg3 Qd5+ 40.Qf3 Qg5+ 41.Qg3 Qd5+ 1/2-1/2

Bill Gletsos
16-12-2007, 02:19 PM
Kamsky's superior play in time trouble (despite getting way behind on the clock early in the game) has been the difference in both games 2 and 3.Kamsky came 4th in the recent 20 player World Blitz finishing 7.5 points ahead of Shirov who was 17th.

Kevin Bonham
16-12-2007, 07:15 PM
Kamsky - Shirov[..]31.Rcd1 Rbc2? Looks like this loses

Actually I have seen some comments that suggest that ...Nf7 does not save as the passed pawns are too fast and I suspect this is indeed the case. It was a very cool game by Kamsky under pressure.

Kevin Bonham
16-12-2007, 08:21 PM
Tim Krabbe has, not surprisingly, covered the RB vs NN endgame from Shirov's playoff with Karjakin on his online chess diary (http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/diary.htm).

He finds that Shirov had a technically forced mate (albeit generally in too many) throughout the RB vs NN endgame except for one move, until he exchanged B for N because the 50-move draw rule was looming.

Garvinator
16-12-2007, 09:10 PM
Current Game 4 position.

Kamsky,Gata (2724) - Shirov,Alexei (2739)
FIDE World Cup 2007 Khanty-Mansiysk (7.4), 16.12.2007

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 g6 4.0-0 Bg7 5.c3 Nf6 6.Re1 0-0 7.d4 d5 8.e5 Ne4 9.Bxc6 bxc6 10.Nbd2 Bf5 11.Nh4 e6 12.Nxf5 exf5 13.f3

Garvinator
19-12-2007, 04:25 PM
Does anyone have a complete pgn file of all the games from each round?