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Aaron Guthrie
27-10-2007, 10:13 AM
Do you ever find yourself have a recurring theme with another player, or perhaps just within a tournament?

I thought I had heaps of perpetuals with Song Yang, but I could only find 4 (from 15 games, though there were only 6 draws from that 15). Here are the most interesting 2.

Guthrie-Yang, Adelaide Cup 2001
20...d4+! 21.Ke4 f5+! 22.Ke5 Rc5+! 23.Kxe6 Rb6+ 24.Kxe7 Re5+ 25.Kd7 Rd5+ 26.Kc7 1/2-1/2
Yang-Guthrie, Interclub 2001
18.Bg5 Bxd4+ 19.Kh1 Rxc2 20.Qxd4 Qxg5 21.Rf8+ 1/2-1/2

Oops, I forgot to change the title. Could any mod chance it to "Themes across games"?

Kevin Bonham
27-10-2007, 10:50 PM
In this post (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=33684&postcount=15) I noted how in 2004, within a week and a half of each other, I had two games, both 19 moves long, in which, with white pawns on e4 and d4 and black pawns on e5 and d6, Black's ...a6 was too slow because after Bxc6 Bxc6 Black is unable to recover the lost e5-pawn without unpleasant complications. The strange thing about this is they arose from different openings (one a Four Knights, one a Rossolimo Sicilian).

Amiel was unlucky to be the second victim with the pattern still so fresh in my mind from cleaning up Martin Line the week before.

Capablanca-Fan
27-10-2007, 11:05 PM
In this post (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=33684&postcount=15) I noted how in 2004, within a week and a half of each other, I had two games, both 19 moves long, in which, with white pawns on e4 and d4 and black pawns on e5 and d6, Black's ...a6 was too slow because after Bxc6 Bxc6 Black is unable to recover the lost e5-pawn without unpleasant complications. The strange thing about this is they arose from different openings (one a Four Knights, one a Rossolimo Sicilian).

Amiel was unlucky to be the second victim with the pattern still so fresh in my mind from cleaning up Martin Line the week before.
Is it my browser, or does something go wrong with the PGNs when they are part of a single post?

Kevin Bonham
27-10-2007, 11:15 PM
Is it my browser, or does something go wrong with the PGNs when they are part of a single post?

No, this is quite a common problem when the link is by postcount.

Try this link to the post (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=33684#post33684) (works for me) or post 15 of this thread (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=24757).

Capablanca-Fan
27-10-2007, 11:51 PM
No, this is quite a common problem when the link is by postcount.

Try this link to the post (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=33684#post33684) (works for me) or post 15 of this thread (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=24757).
Got it, thanx. Yeah, ... a6 is often a mistake in such positions. That's why I prefer it on move three in the Ruy.

eclectic
27-10-2007, 11:54 PM
the only theme i :pray: would link my games is:

win,win,win,win,win,win,win,...

:rolleyes:

Kevin Bonham
28-10-2007, 12:08 AM
Got it, thanx. Yeah, ... a6 is often a mistake in such positions. That's why I prefer it on move three in the Ruy.

Something I should mention here - I don't play the Ruy because I'm far too lazy to learn it all, but I do get a large number of easy points from people who, familiar with ...a6 working fine on move three in the Ruy, attempt to play it on move three of the Rossolimo (where it wastes a tempo making white give up B for N when he wanted to anyway) or move four of the Four Knights after Bb5 (where it is dubious as Black either goes a pawn down or else winds up behind on tempo - perhaps not completely unplayable but anyone interested should check out the lines in Pinski's book.)

It's very important for people who want to apply general themes to a position they don't know well to make sure the theme applies the same way in that position. Often it doesn't.

Basil
28-10-2007, 12:47 AM
... where it wastes a tempo making white give up B for N when he wanted to anyway


It's very important for people who want to apply general themes to a position they don't know well to make sure the theme applies the same way in that position. Often it doesn't.

Sacré Tromp! ;)