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Alan Shore
08-06-2004, 01:04 AM
Can someone tell me what white is supposed to play in this position? What's the idea?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4

Rincewind
08-06-2004, 01:51 AM
There are two schools of thought

(A) 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Be2 (say, 6.Nb5 also playable) Qxe4 7.Nb5 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Kd8 9.o-o

and

(B) 5.Nb5 which gives Black more options like 5...Qxe4, 5...Bb4+ and also 5...Bc5 which looks testing for White.

Oepty
08-06-2004, 05:02 PM
I had a look in the chesslab database and it seems that white wins a very high number of games between higher rated players. Here is one game that black would rather forget. White is GM Kuloats and black was rated over 2400.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Nc3 Bc5 6. Be3 Nge7 7. Nf3 Qh5 8. g4

Scott

jase
08-06-2004, 07:18 PM
Do you have the rest of the game to post? (beacuse you said its one that black would like to forget)

Id like to see it complete here if possible.

Look a little more closely at the final position. What should Black play? What will White's response be?

JGB
08-06-2004, 10:27 PM
Sorry Jase. yeah im an idiot. :wall: I didnt see the queen or the bishop was lost on the next move.

JGB
03-11-2004, 09:00 PM
We have a strong new member at our club who does not mind playing the following line in Blitz games. I find this relevant enough to the thread topic.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3 Qf6 6.Nb5!?

From here the game can become a real bloodbath after 6...Bxe3 7.fxe3 Qh4+ and Qxe3 or Black can opt for a mild and safer variation with Qd8.

This variation actually exists although it seems a little dodgy for Whte.

Rincewind
03-11-2004, 10:15 PM
I assume you mean 7...Qh4+ (not Qxe3+ which is not legal). Also, 7...Kd8 is interesting. However, 7...Qh4 seems to be the main try for Black.

This line (Blomenfeld Attack) in hasn't seen a lot of action in top flight competition since the 20's but here are a couple of recent games I could find in my database.

Nataf, I - Onischuk, A
Montreal, 2003

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3 Qf6 6.Nb5 Bxe3 7.fxe3 Qh4+ 8.
g3 Qd8 9.Qg4 Kf8 10.Qf4 d6 11.N1c3 Nge7 12.Bc4 f6 13.O-O-O Ng6 14.Qf1 Nce5
15.Bb3 Bg4 16.Rd2 Bd7 17.h3 h5 18.Nd4 c6 19.Nf5 Bxf5 20.exf5 Ne7 21.e4 a5
22.Be6 Qc7 23.g4 g5 24.h4 gxh4 25.Rxh4 Qb6 26.Nd1 Kg7 27.gxh5 Kh7 28.Rg2
Rhg8 29.Rg6 Qd8 30.Qf4 Qf8 31.Rh2 Rh8 32.Ne3 Re8 33.Rhg2 N5xg6 34.fxg6+
Kg7 35.Rh2 f5 36.exf5 Nxg6 37.f6+ 1-0

Ponomariov, R - Godena, M
Plovdiv, 2003

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3 Qf6 6.Nb5 Bxe3 7.fxe3 Qh4+ 8.
g3 Qd8 9.Qg4 g5 10.N1c3 d6 11.Qe2 a6 12.Nd4 Ne5 13.Qg2 Be6 14.O-O-O Qd7
15.h4 gxh4 16.gxh4 Bg4 17.Be2 Ne7 18.Bxg4 Qxg4 19.Qf2 O-O-O 20.Qf6 Qd7 21.
h5 Rhg8 22.Rhg1 Qh3 23.Rge1 Rde8 24.Qh6 Rg2 25.Rh1 Qg3 26.Qxh7 Qxe3+ 27.
Kb1 Reg8 28.Nf5 Nxf5 29.Qxf5+ Kb8 30.h6 R2g6 31.Nd5 Qg5 32.Rdf1 Rh8 33.h7
c6 34.Nf6 Qxf5 35.Rxf5 Kc7 36.b3 Kd8 37.Ng8 Rg7 38.Rd1 Rgxh7 39.Rxd6+ Kc7
40.Rd2 Rxg8 41.Rxe5 f6 42.Rf5 Re8 43.Rf4 Rhe7 44.Rd4 Rd7 45.c3 Re5 46.Kc2
c5 47.Rxd7+ Kxd7 48.Kd3 Re6 49.Ke3 Rd6 50.Rf5 b6 51.Rd5 Ke6 52.c4 Rd7 53.
Kf4 Rh7 54.Rd8 Rh4+ 55.Kf3 Rh3+ 56.Kg4 Rh2 57.Re8+ Kd6 58.Kf5 Rf2+ 59.Kg6
Rxa2 60.Kf7 b5 61.Re6+ Kd7 62.Kxf6 Rf2+ 63.Ke5 Rb2 64.Rd6+ Kc7 65.Rd3 Kc6
66.Ke6 bxc4 67.bxc4 Rc2 68.Rd6+ Kc7 69.Rxa6 Rxc4 70.e5 Rh4 71.Kd5 Rd4+ 72.
Kxc5 Rd1 73.Rd6 Rxd6 74.exd6+ Kd7 75.Kd5 Kd8 76.Ke6 Ke8 77.d7+ Kd8 78.Kd6
1/2-1/2


Enjoy.

bobby1972
04-11-2004, 11:52 PM
anand won in corsica with this opening incredible coincidence since chess is so very big , amazing game funny he makes rublesky look like a bunny lately have a look at other recent games between them.

JGB
05-11-2004, 01:49 AM
anand won in corsica with this opening incredible coincidence since chess is so very big , amazing game funny he makes rublesky look like a bunny lately have a look at other recent games between them.

... and Anand had the White peices I presume?

bobby1972
05-11-2004, 08:11 AM
[Event "Corsica Masters KO"]
[Site "Bastia FRA"]
[Date "2004.11.04"]
[Round "4.1"]
[White "Rublevsky,S"]
[Black "Anand,V"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2649"]
[BlackElo "2781"]
[EventDate "2004.11.02"]
[ECO "C45"]




1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 Bb6 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. Qe2 O-O
8. Bg5 h6 9. h4 d6 10. f3 hxg5 11. hxg5 Ng4 12. fxg4 Qxg5 13. Qf3 Bxg4 14.
Qg3 Ne5 15. Be2 f5 16. exf5 Qxf5 17. O-O-O Bxe2 18. Nxe2 Qf2 19. Qh2 Qxe2
20. Qh8+ Kf7 21. Rdf1+ Bf2 22. Qh7 Ke6 23. Kb1 Qg4 0-1

JGB
05-11-2004, 10:55 AM
But thats a completly different ball game where White plays the solid (perhaps main line) 5.Nb3 and not 5.Be3 followed by the risky 6.Nb5.
Is there any case of Anand playing the Blomenfeld Attack as White of Black?

Rincewind
05-11-2004, 11:00 AM
But thats a completly different ball game where White plays the solid (perhaps main line) 5.Nb3 and not 5.Be3 followed by the risky 6.Nb5.
Is there any case of Anand playing the Blomenfeld Attack as White of Black?

I didn't find any. The two games I posted are the only recent top-flight games I found. There are some games from the 20's too, Rubenstein-Spielman rings a bell, but I can't be sure at the moment. If you're interested in these I can post them up later.