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Alan Shore
06-06-2004, 08:47 PM
The Gold Coast Open, June 26-27th, Gardiner Chess Centre, Gold Coast.

Full details at http://www.gardinerchess.com/brochures/2004/gc%20open%2004.pdf

Open Division and U1600 Division, rating prizes, $3000 total.



but no free beer ;) :lol:

Well it does say there is a Happy Hour from 7pm on the Saturday, so here's hoping!

Garvinator
06-06-2004, 08:54 PM
The Gold Coast Open, June 26-27th, Gardiner Chess Centre, Gold Coast.
Full details at http://www.gardinerchess.com/brochures/2004/gc%20open%2004.pdf
Open Division and U1600 Division, rating prizes, $3000 total.
reminder to all posters and readers that the 2004 gold coast open is a grand prix event.

Alan Shore
06-06-2004, 08:56 PM
reminder to all posters and readers that the 2004 gold coast open is a grand prix event.

Are you going to play Garvin? I will most likely play since I will have finished my exams just before then.

jenni
06-06-2004, 11:08 PM
Well it does say there is a Happy Hour from 7pm on the Saturday, so here's hoping!

There is always a nice social get together on the Saturday evening with wine and nibbles - as long as your game doesn't go too long. :)

Garvinator
06-06-2004, 11:14 PM
There is always a nice social get together on the Saturday evening with wine and nibbles - as long as your game doesn't go too long. :)
or if you have to leave to go back to brissie ;)

arosar
27-06-2004, 08:24 PM
What's this I hear James Obst beat Solo at this tourn?

AR

Garvinator
27-06-2004, 08:28 PM
What's this I hear James Obst beat Solo at this tourn?

AR
this is correct and then wongwichit was two pawns up against solo in round three and cold blundered his knight to lose the game. I will have further information when I get the sp files from charles.

But results as I know them:

Gold Coast Open:

1st: Ian Rogers
Equal 2nd: S. Soloman, D. Smerdon

The other results I will update when I get the information.

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 12:30 AM
In the other section, 10 yr old James Morris from Victoria was outright first on 6.5/7. His one draw was with some patz that came outright 3rd on 5.5/7. My friend Nenad was outright 2nd with 6/7.


*(BD = 'Some patz')

Bill Gletsos
28-06-2004, 01:01 AM
Open Division results:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

1 Rogers, Ian NSW 2646 7 30:W 17:W 9:W 10:W 2:W 5:W 4:W
2 Smerdon, David C VIC 2389 5.5 6:W 5:W 11:W 3:D 1:L 9:W 12:W
3 Solomon, Stephen J QLD 2466 5.5 22:W 20:L 19:W 2:D 17:W 7:W 11:W
4 Caoili, Arianne B OS 2275 5 24:W 18:W 20:W 0:D 9:D 13:W 1:L
5 Myers, John QLD 1899 4.5 23:W 2:L 32:W 8:W 10:W 1:L 6:D
6 Kimura, Toshi QLD 1730 4.5 2:L 23:W 8:L 34:W 15:W 17:W 5:D
7 Compton, Alistair OS 2112 4.5 25:W 14:W 10:L 17:D 18:W 3:L 19:W
8 Lip, Michael NSW 2061 4.5 28:W 10:L 6:W 5:L 22:W 19:D 18:W
9 Edwards, Jacob A QLD 2041 4 32:W 19:W 1:L 20:W 4:D 2:L 13:D
10 Ly, Moulthun QLD 1838 4 31:W 8:W 7:W 1:L 5:L 11:L 21:W
11 Casey, Kevin QLD 2022 4 26:W 21:W 2:L 18:D 12:D 10:W 3:L
12 O'Brien, John WA 1620 4 15:D 13:D 14:D 30:W 11:D 20:W 2:L
13 Bourmistrov, Denis VIC 2079 4 21:L 12:D 27:W 16:W 14:W 4:L 9:D
14 Lovejoy, David QLD 1853 4 29:W 7:L 12:D 21:W 13:L 24:D 22:W
15 Tankel, Alan NSW 1901 4 12:D 33:D 21:L 25:W 6:L 28:W 24:W
16 Hardy, Christopher QLD 1631 4 17:L 30:D 26:W 13:L 25:D 29:W 20:W
17 Pengelley, Justin QLD 1905 3.5 16:W 1:L 22:W 7:D 3:L 6:L 31:W
18 Barnard, Casey T QLD 1840 3.5 35:W 4:L 33:W 11:D 7:L 27:W 8:L
19 Wongwichit, Phachara QLD 1798 3.5 34:W 9:L 3:L 32:W 28:W 8:D 7:L
20 Obst, James SA 1891 3 27:W 3:W 4:L 9:L 21:W 12:L 16:L
21 [Alex] QLD 1684 3 13:W 11:L 15:W 14:L 20:L 34:W 10:L
22 Lazarus, Benjamin QLD 1735 3 3:L 26:W 17:L 33:W 8:L 32:W 14:L
23 Ruddy, Alex QLD 1580 3 5:L 6:L 31:L 0:W 33:W 25:D 32:D
24 Rogers, Cathy L NSW 1727 3 4:L 27:D 28:D 31:D 29:W 14:D 15:L
25 Weller, Tony QLD 1725 3 7:L 29:D 35:W 15:L 16:D 23:D 27:D
26 Davidson, Nathan P QLD 1649 3 11:L 22:L 16:L 29:L 0:W 30:W 34:W
27 Anderson, Daniel C QLD 1542 3 20:L 24:D 13:L 35:W 30:W 18:L 25:D
28 Jempson, Ross QLD 1673 2.5 8:L 31:W 24:D 0:D 19:L 15:L 33:D
29 Ross, Bill NSW 1518 2.5 14:L 25:D 30:L 26:W 24:L 16:L 0:W
30 Raham, Akeel NSW 1740 2.5 1:L 16:D 29:W 12:L 27:L 26:L 35:W
31 Bender, Peter G QLD 1251 2.5 10:L 28:L 23:W 24:D 32:L 0:W 17:L
32 Saavedra, Bernard QLD 1672 2.5 9:L 34:W 5:L 19:L 31:W 22:L 23:D
33 Stokes, Mark C QLD 1610 2.5 0:D 15:D 18:L 22:L 23:L 35:W 28:D
34 Blundell, Jian QLD 1094 2 19:L 32:L 0:W 6:L 35:W 21:L 26:L
35 Kaspar, Ric QLD 1473 .5 18:L 0:D 25:L 27:L 34:L 33:L 30:L

Bill Gletsos
28-06-2004, 01:03 AM
U1600 Division results:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

1 Morris, James VIC 1433 6.5 33:W 27:W 6:W 3:D 28:W 2:W 8:W
2 Chelebichanin, Nenad QLD 1546 6 40:W 34:W 11:W 4:W 12:W 1:L 7:W
3 Sampson, Dion QLD 1537 5.5 46:W 51:D 20:W 1:D 17:D 16:W 12:W
4 Hvistendahl, Robert NSW 1556 5 23:W 24:W 17:W 2:L 13:D 15:W 10:D
5 Ritchie, Jim QLD 1534 5 55:W 21:W 13:L 18:W 11:W 7:L 22:W
6 Anderson, Nathan QLD 1573 5 31:W 16:W 1:L 20:L 25:W 19:W 17:W
7 Jule, Alexandra QLD 1411 5 43:W 0:D 30:W 14:W 9:D 5:W 2:L
8 Duffin, Mike QLD 1458 5 62:W 18:W 12:L 23:W 20:W 14:W 1:L
9 Maguire, Jesse ACT 1560 5 35:W 15:L 40:W 36:W 7:D 13:D 24:W
10 Finke, Kelvin QLD 1461 5 59:W 20:L 51:W 31:W 21:W 12:D 4:D
11 Cooke, Steven L QLD 1451 5 60:W 41:W 2:L 54:W 5:L 39:W 21:W
12 Stewart, Craig A QLD 1576 4.5 52:W 22:W 8:W 13:W 2:L 10:D 3:L
13 Chuang, Howard QLD 1430 4.5 50:W 38:W 5:W 12:L 4:D 9:D 18:D
14 Laky, Jim QLD 1497 4.5 56:W 19:W 15:D 7:L 29:W 8:L 32:W
15 Mills, Ross QLD 1328 4.5 48:W 9:W 14:D 28:L 50:W 4:L 29:W
16 Goodwin, Bob QLD 1382 4.5 45:W 6:L 35:W 29:D 32:W 3:L 30:W
17 Evans, Amy L QLD 1418 4.5 54:W 29:W 4:L 55:W 3:D 28:W 6:L
18 Lei, Yitao QLD 1103 4.5 61:W 8:L 41:W 5:L 54:W 38:W 13:D
19 Grigg-Tondeleir, Samuel QLD 1129 4.5 58:W 14:L 50:D 42:W 30:W 6:L 28:W
20 Grenfell, Regina QLD 1102 4 64:W 10:W 3:L 6:W 8:L 22:L 43:W
21 Wong, Tony QLD 1169 4 37:W 5:L 56:W 25:W 10:L 44:W 11:L
22 Korenevski, Oleg QLD 1400 4 39:W 12:L 31:L 46:W 23:W 20:W 5:L
23 Chynoweth, Ashley QLD 1053 4 4:L 47:W 34:W 8:L 22:L 42:W 44:W
24 Brown, Andrew ACT 1325 4 63:W 4:L 55:L 62:W 27:W 36:W 9:L
25 Xiao, Colin QLD 1100 4 29:L 62:W 52:W 21:L 6:L 50:W 45:W
26 Adams, Zane QLD 990 4 0:D 53:W 28:L 30:L 52:D 47:W 39:W
27 Fisher, Jayden QLD 1094 4 65:W 1:L 54:L 43:W 24:L 56:W 38:W
28 Harris, Bruce QLD 1523 3.5 32:D 42:W 26:W 15:W 1:L 17:L 19:L
29 Ford, Daniel QLD 1068 3.5 25:W 17:L 38:W 16:D 14:L 51:W 15:L
30 Haron, Peter QLD 1258 3.5 0:D 32:W 7:L 26:W 19:L 31:W 16:L
31 Chen, Shaun QLD 1058 3.5 6:L 63:W 22:W 10:L 34:D 30:L 50:W
32 Fisher, Nathan QLD 981 3.5 28:D 30:L 58:W 51:W 16:L 34:W 14:L
33 Baker, Brendan QLD 858 3.5 1:L 39:W 37:D 0:D 36:L 35:D 52:W
34 Long Hong, Stan QLD 1210 3.5 49:W 2:L 23:L 56:W 31:D 32:L 41:W
35 Thompson, Cameron M QLD 1057 3.5 9:L 48:W 16:L 58:W 38:L 33:D 51:W
36 Gray, Garvin QLD 1133 3.5 41:L 60:W 59:W 9:L 33:W 24:L 37:D
37 Kinder, Jessica QLD 1090 3.5 21:L 45:W 33:D 50:L 42:D 59:W 36:D
38 Buck, Gordon QLD 1150 3 44:W 13:L 29:L 40:W 35:W 18:L 27:L
39 Russell, Luthien QLD 1108 3 22:L 33:L 61:W 45:W 47:W 11:L 26:L
40 Solomon, John QLD 1027 3 2:L 61:W 9:L 38:L 48:W 43:L 57:W
41 Webb, Christina QLD 610 3 36:W 11:L 18:L 52:W 44:L 55:W 34:L
42 Lee, Leoma QLD 809 3 0:D 28:L 53:W 19:L 37:D 23:L 54:W
43 McCarthy, Oliver QLD 767 3 7:L 52:L 64:W 27:L 49:W 40:W 20:L
44 Wagner, Luke QLD 1128 3 38:L 50:L 48:W 59:W 41:W 21:L 23:L
45 Wu, Kantley QLD 765 3 16:L 37:L 65:W 39:L 58:W 46:W 25:L
46 Webb, Nicholas QLD 1003 3 3:L 58:L 63:W 22:L 57:W 45:L 61:W
47 Curtis, Shaun QLD 650 3 51:L 23:L 60:W 53:W 39:L 26:L 56:W
48 Barrett, Daniel J (Somerset) QLD 729 3 15:L 35:L 44:L 64:W 40:L 58:W 55:W
49 Kimura, Mikio QLD 674 3 34:L 55:L 62:L 0:W 43:L 60:W 59:W
50 Pedersen-Lee, Lachlan QLD 847 2.5 13:L 44:W 19:D 37:W 15:L 25:L 31:L
51 Soltysik, Adelaide NSW 1160 2.5 47:W 3:D 10:L 32:L 55:W 29:L 35:L
52 Haron, Adric QLD 1066 2.5 12:L 43:W 25:L 41:L 26:D 54:W 33:L
53 Jule, Sebastian QLD 804 2.5 0:D 26:L 42:L 47:L 60:L 65:W 63:W
54 McGarity, Molly QLD 254 2 17:L 0:W 27:W 11:L 18:L 52:L 42:L
55 Thompson, Ingrid QLD 998 2 5:L 49:W 24:W 17:L 51:L 41:L 48:L
56 Fisher, Ashley QLD 948 2 14:L 65:W 21:L 34:L 61:W 27:L 47:L
57 Yang, James QLD 750 2 0:D 0:D 0:L 0:L 46:L 63:W 40:L
58 Curtis, Kristen QLD 479 2 19:L 46:W 32:L 35:L 45:L 48:L 65:W
59 Solomon, Anthony QLD 935 2 10:L 64:W 36:L 44:L 63:W 37:L 49:L
60 Davies, Andrew William(BBC) QLD 885 2 11:L 36:L 47:L 63:L 53:W 49:L 64:W
61 Moren, Erik QLD 720 2 18:L 40:L 39:L 65:W 56:L 64:W 46:L
62 Smith, Bradley (Benowa) QLD 910 1.5 8:L 25:L 49:W 24:L 0:D 0: 0:
63 Anderson, Todd QLD 685 1 24:L 31:L 46:L 60:W 59:L 57:L 53:L
64 Sawyers-White, Victoria QLD 1 20:L 59:L 43:L 48:L 65:W 61:L 60:L
65 Solomon, Rachael QLD 0 27:L 56:L 45:L 61:L 64:L 53:L 58:L

Rincewind
28-06-2004, 08:22 AM
In the other section, 10 yr old James Morris from Victoria was outright first on 6.5/7. His one draw was with some patz that came outright 3rd on 5.5/7. My friend Nenad was outright 2nd with 6/7.

Good result (4+ 3=).

ursogr8
28-06-2004, 08:34 AM
Good result (4+ 3=).


Baz
Given that the GC OPEN was a two-division SWISS then the analysis of competitiveness would be of interest. (Only you can calculate, now that you have complexified the metric :wink: ..)

My guess is that first round looks really competitive.

starter

Rincewind
28-06-2004, 10:09 AM
Baz
Given that the GC OPEN was a two-division SWISS then the analysis of competitiveness would be of interest. (Only you can calculate, now that you have complexified the metric :wink: ..)

My guess is that first round looks really competitive.

Nay bother - if someone sends me the SP files or the round-by-round results with Name, Rating and Result.

ursogr8
28-06-2004, 12:01 PM
Nay bother - if someone sends me the SP files or the round-by-round results with Name, Rating and Result.

Tks Baz
Now all we need is for some kind Queenslander to come in out of the sun and read this.
Or, alternatively, they will pass through Bill's hands eventually and we can trap them there.

Enjoy your moderate day

starter

Garvinator
28-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Tks Baz
Now all we need is for some kind Queenslander to come in out of the sun and read this.
Or, alternatively, they will pass through Bill's hands eventually and we can trap them there.

Enjoy your moderate day

starter
could be arranged :lol:

Bill Gletsos
28-06-2004, 12:13 PM
Tks Baz
Now all we need is for some kind Queenslander to come in out of the sun and read this.
Or, alternatively, they will pass through Bill's hands eventually and we can trap them there.

Enjoy your moderate day

starter
I have sent the SP files to Barry.

ursogr8
28-06-2004, 12:43 PM
I have sent the SP files to Barry.


Thanks Bill
Enjoy your moderated day.
starter

Garvinator
28-06-2004, 12:45 PM
I have sent the SP files to Barry.
barry has gotten two sets of files then ;)

Bill Gletsos
28-06-2004, 12:52 PM
barry has gotten two sets of files then ;)
Well I thought it was obvious to everyone that I had the SP files since I posted the cross tables.

ursogr8
28-06-2004, 01:27 PM
Well I thought it was obvious to everyone that I had the SP files since I posted the cross tables.

Should have been obvious to me.
But it did not occur to me.
Do I lose rapid rating points?
starter

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 06:31 PM
Good result (4+ 3=).

Not bad, if I make the excuse I was being nice to two junior girls giving them draws, hehe. (But no, the draws were real deal.. I was a piece up in the opening against Adelaide too.. whups!)

As for James, I tip him to be a star of the future.

Bill Gletsos
28-06-2004, 06:41 PM
Should have been obvious to me.
But it did not occur to me.
Do I lose rapid rating points?
starter
No, you just lost points in my estimation of you. ;)

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 08:32 PM
Anyway, let's test out this PGN uploader with one of my games (having a bit of trouble so far)

skip to my lou
28-06-2004, 08:32 PM
Are you getting any error messages? Or not sure how to use it?

Garvinator
28-06-2004, 08:40 PM
Are you getting any error messages? Or not sure how to use it?
i have had the similar problems, i have tried using chessbase light, where i saved a game i played there and then tried sending it here. I cant work out how to send a game from there to here. Can someone help?

skip to my lou
28-06-2004, 08:46 PM
Firstly, did you save the game in PGN format? The file has to be whatever.pgn

Then, you need to go into advanced reply mode, you can't use quick reply. Click the PGN uploader link, click browse, select the PGN file from your computer, click upload. The file you uploaded will appear on the page. If this is the game you wanted to upload, select "send pgn" and it will appear nicely formatted on your post. Do I need to make complete instructions with screenshots?

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 08:54 PM
Firstly, did you save the game in PGN format? The file has to be whatever.pgn

Then, you need to go into advanced reply mode, you can't use quick reply. Click the PGN uploader link, click browse, select the PGN file from your computer, click upload. The file you uploaded will appear on the page. If this is the game you wanted to upload, select "send pgn" and it will appear nicely formatted on your post. Do I need to make complete instructions with screenshots?

I don't have a problem following the instructions as far as I can tell.. it all falls down when I click 'send pgn'.. nothing happens.

Garvinator
28-06-2004, 08:56 PM
I don't have a problem following the instructions as far as I can tell.. it all falls down when I click 'send pgn'.. nothing happens.
same here, i have now gotten this far with the game i want to put up saved in pgn and all that stuff. As soon as i click send pgn, i get nothing too.

skip to my lou
28-06-2004, 09:02 PM
Ok, hang on, my net is so slow tonight :(

I'll try and fix asap.

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 09:16 PM
Ok, hang on, my net is so slow tonight :(

I'll try and fix asap.

I can sympathise, I'm at my Dad's place using dial-up..! It's so hard to go back after using ADSL for so long... ah well, back home tomorrow and back to faster net ;)

Garvinator
28-06-2004, 09:19 PM
I can sympathise, I'm at my Dad's place using dial-up..! It's so hard to go back after using ADSL for so long... ah well, back home tomorrow and back to faster net ;)
arent you home yet, brisbane isnt that far from gc that it takes you 24 hours to get home :lol: ;)

skip to my lou
28-06-2004, 09:20 PM
I know what the problem is, the popup is loading "chesschat.org", and JS does not allow access to components cross domain.

I will fix it in a sec, hang on.

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 10:34 PM
arent you home yet, brisbane isnt that far from gc that it takes you 24 hours to get home :lol: ;)

Smartass :p

I'm guessing you got home fine.. what did you think of Alex? He's arrogant as anything but a funny guy, lol.

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 10:48 PM
...

Event: Gold Coast Open
Site: ?
Date: 2004.06.27
Round: 6
White: Bob Goodwin
Black: Dion Sampson
Result: 0-1

1. e4 e5 2. d4 Nf6 {Something to avoid bookbash..} 3. Bg5 Be7 4. Bxf6 Bxf6 5. d5 d6 {Philidors!} 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. Be2 Nd7 8. Nbd2 O-O 9. h3 Bh5 10. O-O c6 11. c4 a5 12. a4 Nc5 13. Qc2 Bg6 14. Ne1 cxd5 15. cxd5 Rc8 16. Bc4 Bg5 17. f3 Be3+ {The power.. of the dark side..}
18. Kh1 Qg5 19. f4 Bxf4 20. Nef3 Qh6 21. b3 f5 22. exf5 Bxf5 23. Qc3 e4 24.Nd4 Bxd2 25. Nxf5 Rxf5 26. Qg3 Rcf8 27. Rad1 Rxf1+ 28. Rxf1 Rxf1+ 29. Bxf1 Qf6 30. Be2 Bf4 31. Qg4 h6 32. Qc8+ Kh7 33. g4 Be3 34. Qf5+ Qxf5 35. gxf5 Nxb3 36. Kg2 Kg8

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 10:49 PM
Sigh.. the 'send pgn' works, but now the moves don't come up!

Rincewind
28-06-2004, 10:53 PM
23...Bxh3 seemed to be screaming to be played. Did you discount it from some reason? Would have been a nice finish I think. 23...e4 is good too of course.

Garvinator
28-06-2004, 11:18 PM
Sigh.. the 'send pgn' works, but now the moves don't come up!
just wait bruce, Jeo is repairing codes after helping me, just type in chesschat.org without the www part

skip to my lou
28-06-2004, 11:29 PM
Don't worry Garvin, the cross-domain bug is fixed :D

I tested through http://chesschat.org/ http://www.chesschat.org/ http://www.ckserver.com/ http://ckserver.com/

Alan Shore
28-06-2004, 11:39 PM
It's all good now K, thanks!

Barry, does Bxh6 win more decisively? Can you provide some more analysis? I saw e4 won a piece so thought that was good enough for a win.

Garvinator
29-06-2004, 12:08 AM
It's all good now K, thanks!

Barry, does Bxh6 win more decisively? Can you provide some more analysis? I saw e4 won a piece so thought that was good enough for a win.
yes Bxh3 wins. if white takes the bishop its mate in 6 ;) and if not then Bxg2 works too.

Rincewind
29-06-2004, 02:24 AM
Barry, does Bxh6 win more decisively? Can you provide some more analysis? I saw e4 won a piece so thought that was good enough for a win.

Seemed to be relatively better without too much hard calculation. The B cannot be taken. Next move you have Bf5+ with a similar position except White is a pawn down around his king and e4 is probably still playable. If not you can reinforce it with Rce8.

It also just looked like it must be right. Not sure it is more decisive, but it is pretty cute you have to admit.

Rincewind
29-06-2004, 02:30 AM
yes Bxh3 wins. if white takes the bishop its mate in 6 ;) and if not then Bxg2 works too.

Bxg2 does look to work, but much more complicated to try and work out. Bf5+ seems to be good and re-threaten e4.

Kevin Bonham
29-06-2004, 01:39 PM
...Bxh3 is crushing in all variations, usually with ...Bxg2+ to follow (Qg6+ and further checks to follow if needed followed by a capture on d2 once White's king is on the f-file then the Nf3 can be taken as well is usually the way it goes.) But ...e4 is good too.

Seems like it was White who wanted to avoid the bookbash because he didn't play 3.Nf3 transposing into a Petroffs or Philidors.

Rincewind
29-06-2004, 04:22 PM
...Bxh3 is crushing in all variations, usually with ...Bxg2+ to follow (Qg6+ and further checks to follow if needed followed by a capture on d2 once White's king is on the f-file then the Nf3 can be taken as well is usually the way it goes.) But ...e4 is good too.

Like you, I never said e4 was bad but Bh3 just seemed the natural move in the position and so I was intrigued as to why it wasn't played. I think Dion answered this with something along the lines of "I saw e4 won a piece so thought that was good enough for a win". This started me thinking about the interplay between Dion's preference for Rapid chess and this thought process. Of course the time situation present on the board at that move is of interest too. However, I think a proponent of slow chess with a rating of around 1600 would have looked at Bxh3 as the first or second candidate. If it was seen e4 won a piece Bxh3 should still been calculated to see if a forced checkmate was available even if White doesn't accept the sac.

A short calculation would ascertain that gxh3 was no good for White and no other move satisfactorally prevents the e4 threat after Bxh3 and Bf5+. So Black's Bxh3 has two advantages: at worst it wins the h-pawn for little or no cost and at best you get to see White's reponse to see if there is a good forcing line in Bxg2.

After 23...Bxh3 24.Rae1 (say) Bxg2+ 25.Kxg2 Qg6+ 26.Kf2 Bxd2 27.Qxd2 Rxf3+ crashes through successfully. 28.Kxf3 is bad due to Rf8+ and mating threats with Qg4 to follow. However, this line would not have to be calculated with 100% accuracy before Bxh3 is played as the backup move Bf5 is also strong. Also other 24th moves might be played with slightly different variations but the actual continuation needed does not need to be calculated until after you see whites 24th move.

However, my original question was more motivated at thought process that caused Bxh3 NOT to be played. Whether there was
(a) a bugbear that Black saw or imagined (miscalculation mine or his) or
(b) it just didn't make it onto the list of candidate moves (oversight in selecting candidates) or
(c) after e4 was calculated as strong, the remaining candidate moves were not evaluated (pragmatic thought process).

There was a writer (perhaps CJS Purdy, no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong) who said that if you are considering your move in a game and discover a strong continuation, put it in your pocket and look for a stronger one. This maxim suffers from the pragmatism of rapid play but still (I'm sure) holds true for longer time limits. In this game there was possibly a minor opportunity lost by not following this maxim and perhaps Dion would be an even strong player in longer time limits by considering these ideas.

Anyway, that's all I have to say. It was still a nice win, if a little pragmatic at the end. :)

Alan Shore
30-06-2004, 11:48 AM
However, my original question was more motivated at thought process that caused Bxh3 NOT to be played. Whether there was
(a) a bugbear that Black saw or imagined (miscalculation mine or his) or
(c) after e4 was calculated as strong, the remaining candidate moves were not evaluated (pragmatic thought process).


Particularly a and c in this case. I did think of it earlier (the move earlier in fact), then discounted it since I didn't think it worked with the Queen still on c2. I think my mind still held onto this once it moved onto c3 instead of viewing the new possibility. I saw the idea of what the mate involved but think I was seeing ghosts as to defence. I only briefly looked at Bxh3 before seeing e4, upon which (c) came into effect.

I will say, my concentration levels are quite poor and hence when calculating I can often miss things when trying to look too far ahead. I was thinking 'surely Bxh3' but, I have in the past played moves like this only to have overlooked something (on more than one occasion), so you could include a psychological factor! It is something however that most likely comes down to practice.. having so seldom played chess with long time controls it's probably just lack of having to calculate so far ahead (my play is much more likened to 2 or 3 move tactical manouevres (and a vast array of swindles and cheapos) than 5 or 6 move ones, even if a lot of you would think they logically follow - it's simply how my play has evolved from 99% fast chess 1% (if that) long chess.

Rincewind
30-06-2004, 01:48 PM
Particularly a and c in this case. I did think of it earlier (the move earlier in fact), then discounted it since I didn't think it worked with the Queen still on c2. I think my mind still held onto this once it moved onto c3 instead of viewing the new possibility. I saw the idea of what the mate involved but think I was seeing ghosts as to defence. I only briefly looked at Bxh3 before seeing e4, upon which (c) came into effect.

I will say, my concentration levels are quite poor and hence when calculating I can often miss things when trying to look too far ahead. I was thinking 'surely Bxh3' but, I have in the past played moves like this only to have overlooked something (on more than one occasion), so you could include a psychological factor! It is something however that most likely comes down to practice.. having so seldom played chess with long time controls it's probably just lack of having to calculate so far ahead (my play is much more likened to 2 or 3 move tactical manouevres (and a vast array of swindles and cheapos) than 5 or 6 move ones, even if a lot of you would think they logically follow - it's simply how my play has evolved from 99% fast chess 1% (if that) long chess.

Thanks for the insights. I'm sure you are right, that practice has a lot to do with it. If you are looking to concentrate more on the long game, perhaps it is an area you could look at further. Perhaps even a psychology thesis in there somewhere. ;)

Garvinator
30-06-2004, 04:23 PM
so bruce, i take youll be lining up at the door to play in the qld open championships then. 7 rounds of 40mins +30 secs in two days :D

Alan Shore
30-06-2004, 09:36 PM
Thanks for the insights. I'm sure you are right, that practice has a lot to do with it. If you are looking to concentrate more on the long game, perhaps it is an area you could look at further. Perhaps even a psychology thesis in there somewhere. ;)

Hehe, many things I could do a psych thesis on ;)

To be honest, I've never taken chess too seriously or done any study and have only ever played for a bit of fun; but perhaps some time later in life I could concentrate on the game in that respect if my interest ever reignited. Playing on the weekend reminded me of how stressful chess can be too!

Alan Shore
30-06-2004, 09:41 PM
so bruce, i take youll be lining up at the door to play in the qld open championships then. 7 rounds of 40mins +30 secs in two days :D

Firstly, I think that GC Open is enough chess for me for a while. Unless something miraculous happens I think I'll be avoiding tourns for a bit.

Secondly, What the #&@# is with that time control??? WHY DO PEOPLE NEVER LEARN?? The last time I played with that time control there was a 120 move game that held up the tournament for over an hour. Why do people feel it so necessary to repeat the mistakes of the past?? :rolleyes:

Garvinator
30-06-2004, 10:37 PM
Secondly, What the #&@# is with that time control??? WHY DO PEOPLE NEVER LEARN?? The last time I played with that time control there was a 120 move game that held up the tournament for over an hour. Why do people feel it so necessary to repeat the mistakes of the past?? :rolleyes:
so it can breed more discontent and help us in the future :lol: ;)