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Kevin Bonham
09-08-2007, 09:55 PM
Let the silly season commence!

Only odds I can find online are from bet365:

8-5 Anand
11-5 Kramnik
11-2 Aronian
8-1 Morozevich
9-1 Leko, Svidler
16-1 Gelfand
25-1 Grischuk

Desmond
09-08-2007, 10:04 PM
small things... :lol:

Garvinator
28-08-2007, 10:43 PM
KB,

When will you start changing your sleeping times so you can watch this tournament live?

Kevin Bonham
28-08-2007, 10:58 PM
KB,

When will you start changing your sleeping times so you can watch this tournament live?

Actually a combination of rostered days off and leave (though not for chess-watching reasons!) means I shouldn't have that much interference from work in watching this.

But as far as I can tell games start at 2 pm Mexico time, and Mexico is fifteen hours behind us, which means they start at 5 am here. And as far as I'm concerned, that's about as ugly as it gets. :eek:

Games will be 14-17 Sep, 19-22 Sep, 24-26 Sep and 28-30 Sep our time AFAICT.

pax
29-08-2007, 09:20 AM
But as far as I can tell games start at 2 pm Mexico time, and Mexico is fifteen hours behind us, which means they start at 5 am here. And as far as I'm concerned, that's about as ugly as it gets. :eek:

Pah. That's breakfast time in my house :lol:

ER
30-08-2007, 02:51 AM
[QUOTE=Kevin Bonham] and Mexico is fifteen hours behind us, which means they start at 5 am here. And as far as I'm concerned, that's about as ugly as it gets. :eek:
QUOTE]

No worries mate, we Mexicans here are used to the peculiarities of our hermanos overseas! :)
Cheers and good luck!

eclectic
30-08-2007, 09:03 AM
has the bulgarian chess federation lodged a protest demanding that the authorities replace escribano with topalov?

:rolleyes:

Ausknight
30-08-2007, 09:49 AM
Where and how can you watch these games 'live'?

I admit I'm always fascinated with watching good players play!

Garvinator
06-09-2007, 09:53 PM
Starts in a few days ;)

Kevin Bonham
06-09-2007, 11:48 PM
Where and how can you watch these games 'live'?

Official site is at www.chessmexico.com and doubtless a live link will appear there sometime once the games get underway, but there will probably be a better one somewhere else (often is!) Keep an eye on this thread, and the shoutbox at times when games are going.

Garvinator
07-09-2007, 01:18 AM
Keep an eye on this thread, and the shoutbox at times when games are going.
I think it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to comment that games have started when they begin at 5am EST :uhoh:

Denis_Jessop
09-09-2007, 08:16 PM
I think it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to comment that games have started when they begin at 5am EST :uhoh:

I would have agreed with you until I saw that Paulb is putting some training time on the Dosza thread (post #40) :)

DJ

Ian Rout
09-09-2007, 10:40 PM
Let the silly season commence!

Only odds I can find online are from bet365:

8-5 Anand
11-5 Kramnik
11-2 Aronian
8-1 Morozevich
9-1 Leko, Svidler
16-1 Gelfand
25-1 Grischuk


Bet-at-home also has odds which are similar except that they give Aronian a better chance and Svidler longer odds. This site (http://int.bestbetting.com/specials/current-affairs/sport/world-chess-championship/winner/all-odds) has a comparison.

Kevin Bonham
09-09-2007, 11:21 PM
Betsson had this a few weeks ago:

Anand 3
Kramnik 3.9
Aronian 5.6
Leko 10
Morozevich 15
Svidler 17.5
Grischuk 27
Gelfand 48

Pinnaclesports have this:

Viswanathan Anand (IND) +188
Vladimir Kramnik (RUS) +254
Levon Aronian (ARM) +425
Peter Leko (HUN) +859
Alexander Morozevich (RUS) +1200
Peter Svidler (RUS) +1691
Alexander Grischuk (RUS) +2305
Boris Gelfand (ISR) +4514

(I assume these are what you get back plus your stake for an investment of 100.)

I've seen a few others around - lots of variation re the longer odds but everyone has Anand slight favourite over Kramnik. Interesting how this forum is so strongly backing Kramnik to win (as I am) - Anand has had the wood on Kramnik recently.

Axiom
10-09-2007, 12:52 AM
Nice to see the bookies concur with my tip :)

Garvinator
11-09-2007, 08:45 PM
3 days to go.

Anna chess
11-09-2007, 08:52 PM
hi to everyone, i'm fresh here!just liked your chat..found lots of interesting here!
can't wait for Mexican tournament, but think that i won't watch it live, as i live in Russia and the difference in time is about 12 hours..
so i think i will see the games somewhere in the i-net and of course, reading some reviews/cmments on it. I heard that here ( www.chessok.com ) will be comments by Sergey Shipov, grandmaster and as far as I understand there will be the analysis by Rybka or some program. For me it's great advantage, as i am just a newbie at chess and hope itl let me improve my skills.
perhaps, it can also be of some use for somebody
can anybody tell me about some other interesting sites?

Axiom
11-09-2007, 09:00 PM
3 days to go.
would you believe, 1 day? !

http://www.chessmexico.com/es/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=101

Bill Gletsos
11-09-2007, 09:26 PM
would you believe, 1 day? !

http://www.chessmexico.com/es/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=101Actually the first round our time is 5am on the 14th September.

eclectic
11-09-2007, 09:33 PM
Actually the first round our time is 5am on the 14th September.

i can well imagine telstra being overburdened with early morning wake up reminder calls :rolleyes:

Garvinator
11-09-2007, 09:35 PM
i can well imagine telstra being overburdened with early morning wake up reminder calls :rolleyes:
Telstra is always overburdened :whistle:

Basil
11-09-2007, 09:45 PM
3 days to go.
would you believe, 1 day? !
How about 3 hours and grand dad's broken watch?

UELleida
13-09-2007, 06:10 PM
hi to everyone, i'm fresh here!just liked your chat..found lots of interesting here!
can't wait for Mexican tournament, but think that i won't watch it live, as i live in Russia and the difference in time is about 12 hours..
so i think i will see the games somewhere in the i-net and of course, reading some reviews/cmments on it. I heard that here ( www.chessok.com ) will be comments by Sergey Shipov, grandmaster and as far as I understand there will be the analysis by Rybka or some program. For me it's great advantage, as i am just a newbie at chess and hope itl let me improve my skills.
perhaps, it can also be of some use for somebody
can anybody tell me about some other interesting sites?

Usually I watch coverage on the ICC server because of the nice bright chessboard and also there is a simple kibitzing feature which lets all of the users watching the play interact with each other. However it took me a while to work out ways of doing stuff there because it is more command driven rather than having buttons for functions. There are so many chess sites about these days! I think Aronian will win the tournament because he is a product of the computer generation and keeps getting better with each tournament. Anand is too old, and Kramnik and Leko have reached their peaks.
Do you play online at the site mentioned on www.chessok.com?

Garvinator
13-09-2007, 10:30 PM
Draw has been done, apparently, as www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com has the first round pairings up.

I have been unable to find the other 13 round pairings. When I do, I will post the complete draw.

Round 1


Anand, Viswanathan - Gelfand, Boris
Kramnik, Vladimir - Svidler, Peter
Morozevich, Alexander - Aronian, Levon
Grischuk, Alexander - Leko, Peter

eclectic
13-09-2007, 10:33 PM
the remaining pairings should be able to be worked out if the usual pairing tables are used, no?

i know two rounds are swapped due to it being a double round robin

Garvinator
13-09-2007, 10:37 PM
the remaining pairings should be able to be worked out if the usual pairing tables are used, no? This is very true and was aware of it. Just didn't want to assume any pairings and so am willing to wait. Also did not want to have to answer later about why I put up incorrect pairings if I got them wrong :whistle:


i know two rounds are swapped due to it being a double round robinI would imagine it would just be colours reversed for rounds 8-14.

eclectic
13-09-2007, 10:45 PM
no,

according to an old stewart reuben chess organisers handbook

for an 8 player DRR the rounds 6 and 7 and thus also 13 and 14 would be reversed to prevent players getting 3 of the same color in rd 7 8 and 9

not sure if i have explained that properly

Kevin Bonham
13-09-2007, 11:06 PM
I'll be closing the poll sometime tomorrow night if I remember. If not, some other mod or admin is welcome to do it for me.

eclectic
13-09-2007, 11:12 PM
seeing that he obviously hasn't made it to mexico are those who voted for escribano able to quickly change their votes? :rolleyes: :uhoh:

Garvinator
14-09-2007, 01:33 AM
Pairings from chessbase


Round 1: Thursday, Sept. 13th 2007, 14:00h

Vladimir Kramnik Peter Svidler
Alexander Morozevich Levon Aronian
Viswanathan Anand Boris Gelfand
Alexander Grischuk Peter Leko

Round 2: Friday, Sept. 14th 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Peter Leko
Boris Gelfand Alexander Grischuk
Levon Aronian Viswanathan Anand
Vladimir Kramnik Alexander Morozevich

Round 3: Saturday, Sept. 15th 2007, 14:00h

Alexander Morozevich Peter Svidler
Viswanathan Anand Vladimir Kramnik
Alexander Grischuk Levon Aronian
Peter Leko Boris Gelfand

Round 4: Sunday, Sept 16th 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Boris Gelfand
Levon Aronian Peter Leko
Vladimir Kramnik Alexander Grischuk
Alexander Morozevich Viswanathan Anand

Free day: Monday, Sept. 17th 2007


Round 5: Tuesday, Sept. 18th 2007, 14:00h

Viswanathan Anand Peter Svidler
Alexander Grischuk Alexander Morozevich
Peter Leko Vladimir Kramnik
Boris Gelfand Levon Aronian

Round 6: Wednesday, Sept. 19th 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Levon Aronian
Vladimir Kramnik Boris Gelfand
Alexander Morozevich Peter Leko
Viswanathan Anand Alexander Grischuk

Round 7: Thursday, Sept. 20th 2007, 14:00h

Alexander Grischuk Peter Svidler
Peter Leko Viswanathan Anand
Boris Gelfand Alexander Morozevich
Levon Aronian Vladimir Kramnik

Round 8: Friday, Sept. 21st 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Vladimir Kramnik
Levon Aronian Alexander Morozevich
Boris Gelfand Viswanathan Anand
Peter Leko Alexander Grischuk

Free day: Saturday, Sept. 22nd 2007


Round 9: Sunday, Sept. 23th 2007, 14:00h

Vladimir Kramnik Peter Svidler
Alexander Morozevich Levon Aronian
Viswanathan Anand Boris Gelfand
Alexander Grischuk Peter Leko

Round 10: Monday, Sept. 24th 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Peter Leko
Boris Gelfand Alexander Grischuk
Levon Aronian Viswanathan Anand
Vladimir Kramnik Alexander Morozevich

Round 11: Tuesday, Sept. 25th 2007, 14:00h

Alexander Morozevich Peter Svidler
Viswanathan Anand Vladimir Kramnik
Alexander Grischuk Levon Aronian
Peter Leko Boris Gelfand

Free day: Wednesday, Sept. 26th 2007


Round 12: Thursday, Sept 27th 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Boris Gelfand
Levon Aronian Peter Leko
Vladimir Kramnik Alexander Grischuk
Alexander Morozevich Viswanathan Anand

Round 13: Friday, Sept. 28th 2007, 14:00h

Viswanathan Anand Peter Svidler
Alexander Grischuk Alexander Morozevich
Peter Leko Vladimir Kramnik
Boris Gelfand Levon Aronian

Round 14: Saturday, Sept. 29th 2007, 14:00h

Peter Svidler Levon Aronian
Vladimir Kramnik Boris Gelfand
Alexander Morozevich Peter Leko
Viswanathan Anand Alexander Grischuk

Garvinator
14-09-2007, 01:40 AM
I'll be closing the poll sometime tomorrow night if I remember. If not, some other mod or admin is welcome to do it for me.
Why tomorrow night? Play starts in just over 3 hours I think :uhoh:

EGOR
14-09-2007, 11:24 AM
Anyone else looked at the four draws in the first round?
Look kind of boring to me.

Kevin Bonham
14-09-2007, 12:52 PM
Why tomorrow night? Play starts in just over 3 hours I think :uhoh:

You're right; I got confused and thought it didn't start til tomorrow morning, but looked like I didn't miss much.

Poll now closed.

Garvinator
14-09-2007, 01:05 PM
You're right; I got confused and thought it didn't start til tomorrow morning, but looked like I didn't miss much.

Poll now closed.
I thought play was still a day away until I looked at the date for the first round when putting up the pairings.

I think what fooled us was that normally drawing of lots is done the day before, so there is a full day between drawing of lots and start of round one.

Kruupy
14-09-2007, 10:05 PM
anyone seen kramnik's game??? - soft.....I heard reports on ICC Kasparov was going off his tree about it...

Garrett
15-09-2007, 06:19 AM
The Kramnik - Svidler game proves what a complete wank having a tournament for the world championship really is.

Two mates agreeing to a draw. I thought this crap was all sorted in the time of Fischer.

Garvinator
15-09-2007, 01:03 PM
Games from round 1.

Round: 1
White: Kramnik,V
Black: Svidler,P
Result: 1/2-1/2
[
1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bxf6 Qxf6 7. e3 Nd7 8.
Bd3 g6 9. e4 dxc4 10. e5 Qe7 11. Bxc4 Bg7 12. O-O O-O 13. Re1 Rd8 14. Qe2
b6 15. Rad1 a5 16. Bd3 Bb7 17. Be4 b5 18. h4 Nb6 19. Bb1 c5 20. Nxb5 Ba6
21. h5 g5 22. Nh2 Rxd4 23. Rxd4 1/2-1/2

Round: 1
White: Morozevich,A
Black: Aronian,L
Result: 1/2-1/2

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. e3 g6 8.
h4 Bg7 9. h5 Nd7 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. bxc3 e5 12. Qc2 Qe7 13. Be4 Bxe4 14. Qxe4
O-O 15. hxg6 hxg6 16. a4 c5 17. Ba3 Rfe8 18. Rc1 exd4 19. Qxe7 Rxe7 20.
cxd4 Re4 21. Kf1 cxd4 22. exd4 Nf8 23. g3 Rd8 24. Rc7 Ree8 25. Rxa7 Ra8
1/2-1/2


Round: 1
White: Anand,V
Black: Gelfand,B
Result: 1/2-1/2

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3 Nxc3 6. dxc3 Be7 7. Be3
Nd7 8. Qd2 Ne5 9. O-O-O O-O 10. h4 Re8 11. h5 Bf6 12. Nh2 h6 13. Be2 Be6
14. f4 Nc4 15. Bxc4 Bxc4 16. b3 Bb5 17. Rhg1 Re4 18. Ng4 Qe7 19. Rde1 Re8
20. Bf2 Qd8 21. Rxe4 Rxe4 22. Re1 Rxe1+ 1/2-1/2

Round: 1
White: Grischuk,A
Black: Leko,P
Result: 1/2-1/2

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8.
h3 Bb7 9. d3 d6 10. a3 Qd7 11. Nc3 Rfe8 12. a4 b4 13. Ne2 d5 14. exd5 Nxd5
15. Ng3 Bf8 16. a5 Nd4 17. Nxd4 exd4 18. Bd2 Nf6 19. Rxe8 Rxe8 20. Bg5 Qc6
21. Qf1 Qd6 22. Re1 Re5 23. Rxe5 Qxe5 24. Bxf6 Qxf6 25. Qe2 g6 26. Qg4 Bd6
27. Ne4 Qf4 28. Qxf4 1/2-1/2

Garvinator
15-09-2007, 01:04 PM
The Kramnik - Svidler game proves what a complete wank having a tournament for the world championship really is.

Two mates agreeing to a draw. I thought this crap was all sorted in the time of Fischer.
Two mates agreeing to a draw can occur in a one on one match for the World Championship. The issue is more to do with the draw agreement rules. Bring on Sofia rules.

Davidflude
15-09-2007, 01:14 PM
The Kramnik - Svidler game proves what a complete wank having a tournament for the world championship really is.

Two mates agreeing to a draw. I thought this crap was all sorted in the time of Fischer.

Ah so. Reminds me of the two central european Gm's. One offered the draw by saying "shall we go and watch the World Cup (soccer).

Davidflude
15-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Anand and Kramnik win.

Games in PGN attachedEvent: WCC 2007
Site: ?
Date: 2007.??.??
Round: ?.2
White: SVIDLER, Peter (RUS)
Black: LEKO, Peter (HUN)
Result: 1/2-1/2
PlyCount: 85
EventDate: 2007.??.??

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15.
Qe2 Bg4 16. Qf1 Qh5 17. Nd2 Rae8 18. Rxe8 Rxe8 19. f3 Bf5 20. Ne4 Bc7 21. Bd2
Qg6 22. Re1 Bxe4 23. Rxe4 Rxe4 24. Bc2 f5 25. fxe4 fxe4 26. Qg2 Nf6 27. Qh3 Ng4
28. Bb3+ Kf8 29. Bd1 e3 30. Bc1 h5 31. Bxg4 hxg4 32. Qf1+ Ke8 33. Bxe3 Kd7 34.
Qe2 Qf5 35. b3 g6 36. Bf2 Bd6 37. c4 bxc4 38. bxc4 Bc7 39. d5 cxd5 40. cxd5 Bd6
41. a4 Qb1+ 42. Kg2 Qf5 43. Kg1 1/2-1/2

Event: WCC 2007
Site: ?
Date: ????.??.??
Round: ?.2
White: GELFAND, Boris (ISR)
Black: GRISCHUK, Alexander (RUS)
Result: 1/2-1/2
PlyCount: 45

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb7 6. Bg2 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 c5 8. Bxb4
cxb4 9. O-O O-O 10. Qd3 Be4 11. Qe3 Nc6 12. Nbd2 d5 13. Rfc1 Rc8 14. cxd5 Bxd5
15. Qd3 Bxf3 16. Nxf3 Nd5 17. Rc4 Nc3 18. a3 b5 19. Rxc6 Rxc6 20. Ng5 Qxg5 21.
Bxc6 Rc8 22. Bb7 Rc7 23. axb4 1/2-1/2

Event: WCC 2007
Site: ?
Date: ????.??.??
Round: ?.2
White: ARONIAN, Levon (ARM)
Black: ANAND, Viswanathan (IND)
Result: 0-1
PlyCount: 82

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 c6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 dxc4 7. e4 g5 8. Bg3 b5
9. Ne5 h5 10. h4 g4 11. Be2 Bb7 12. O-O Nbd7 13. Qc2 Nxe5 14. Bxe5 Bg7 15. Rad1
O-O 16. Bg3 Nd7 17. f3 c5 18. dxc5 Qe7 19. Kh1 a6 20. a4 Bc6 21. Nd5 exd5 22.
exd5 Be5 23. f4 Bg7 24. dxc6 Nxc5 25. Rd5 Ne4 26. Be1 Qe6 27. Rxh5 f5 28. Kh2
Rac8 29. Bb4 Rfe8 30. axb5 axb5 31. Re1 Qf7 32. Rg5 Nxg5 33. fxg5 Rxc6 34. Bf1
Rxe1 35. Bxe1 Re6 36. Bc3 Qc7+ 37. g3 Re3 38. Qg2 Bxc3 39. bxc3 f4 40. Qa8+ Kg7
41. Qa6 fxg3+ 0-1

Event: WCC 2007
Site: ?
Date: ????.??.??
Round: ?.2
White: KRAMNIK, Vladimir (RUS)
Black: MOROZEVICH, Alexander (RUS)
Result: 1-0
PlyCount: 53

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. d4 dxc4 5. Bg2 a6 6. Ne5 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nd5 8. O-O
O-O 9. Qc2 b5 10. Nxd5 exd5 11. b3 c6 12. e4 f6 13. exd5 fxe5 14. bxc4 exd4 15.
dxc6 Be6 16. cxb5 d3 17. c7 Qd4 18. Qa4 Nd7 19. Be3 Qd6 20. Bxa8 Rxa8 21. Bf4
Qf8 22. b6 Ne5 23. Bxe5 Qf3 24. Qd1 Qe4 25. b7 Rf8 26. c8=Q Bd5 27. f3 1-0

Garvinator
15-09-2007, 01:23 PM
I notice that the organisers seem to be 'slow' in updating the official results on the website. I went looking for the second round games and there arent even the four results in the crosstable.

eclectic
15-09-2007, 01:24 PM
has anyone stopped to consider that perhaps the players took short draws in the first round because they are still trying to acclimatise to both mexico city's altitude (2240 m) and air quality?

rob
15-09-2007, 02:38 PM
Kramnik's 2nd round win over AM was the most entertaining top-level game I've seen for a long time :)

ElevatorEscapee
15-09-2007, 05:19 PM
Is the arbiter a Mexican? :P

Garvinator
15-09-2007, 05:43 PM
Is the arbiter a Mexican? :P
I think it highly unlikely that they are using a Victorian chief arbiter ;)

Who is the chief arbiter, btw?

Kevin Bonham
15-09-2007, 10:28 PM
Kramnik's 2nd round win over AM was the most entertaining top-level game I've seen for a long time :)

Yes, and another one for the the "Kramnik isn't boring (well not always)" file.

Aaron Guthrie
16-09-2007, 10:19 PM
I thought the most recent Kramnik game was a bit weird in the end. I thought the pawn push to a2 was too quick (when the computers on ICC used to do that against me I would laugh and draw the game easily), but Kramnik is the endgame man so I guess that means my knowledge of that endgame is deficient.

Bill Gletsos
17-09-2007, 02:12 AM
You will find blog entries on the rounds so far by Ian Rogers at http://main.uschess.org/content/blogsection/31/141/

Aaron Guthrie
17-09-2007, 03:33 AM
Mihail Marin in a chessbase report explains why Kramnik pushed all the way to a2, after 39.h4


White is out of any danger now. The kingside is practically frozen and the huge advantage of space prevents the standard plan: push the pawn to a3, in order to leave the a2-square available for the transfer of His Majesty. If Black tries to do so, he would lose the g7-pawn, after which White's counterplay (for instance g4) is much more dangerous than in the standard position (pawns on f2, g3, h4 and symmetrical for Black).

UELleida
19-09-2007, 11:39 AM
Grischuk is playing very well so far in this tournament and could end up being the dark horse. Aronian needs to focus on his chess more.

ER
19-09-2007, 03:11 PM
Go Grischuk!
Cheers and good luck!

Garvinator
20-09-2007, 03:36 PM
Six rounds down and cross table posted.

There was a report that Aronian is sick, did not say with what exactly.

If this is the case, then I have caught KB's habit of stopping the person I picked :doh:

Denis_Jessop
20-09-2007, 11:05 PM
There was a report that Aronian is sick, did not say with what exactly.

The tournament being in Mexico, the odds favour Montezuma's Revenge :evil:

DJ

eclectic
20-09-2007, 11:07 PM
The tournament being in Mexico, the odds favour Montezuma's Revenge :evil:

DJ

altitude sickness might be another possibility :hmm:

Garvinator
22-09-2007, 11:11 PM
Is the arbiter a Mexican? :P
One of the arbiters is from Mongolia. Does that make a difference to you ee :uhoh:

pax
24-09-2007, 11:07 AM
Gee, Anand didn't have to do anything today. He takes a quick draw with Aronian, and watches while both Kramnik and Gelfand go down! Now only two players have a + score, and Anand has a clear point over Gelfand.

Garvinator
24-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Gee, Anand didn't have to do anything today. He takes a quick draw with Aronian, and watches while both Kramnik and Gelfand go down! Now only two players have a + score, and Anand has a clear point over Gelfand.
Hey, I was about to make a similar post ;) Also was going to comment that I am starting to lick chops at prospect of match between Anand and Kramnik, with Topalov getting shafted :owned: :clap:

Garvinator
24-09-2007, 12:18 PM
After nine rounds.

Intuition
24-09-2007, 04:40 PM
Good to see moro win...just goes to show noboday is invincible when you play something a bit different..not the typical super GM openings which they have studied for years....it would be good to see a anand v kramnik match after this tourney...anand deserves a crack at no. 1

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2007, 08:39 PM
Anand would seem to have this in the bag; I guess stranger things have happened than him not winning from here, but not often. One player +3 with the next best +1 by himself speaks pretty loudly.

Yes, the Anand-Kramnik match to follow (if Anand wins) should be excellent - where is Topalov if that happens? Playing the winner of the next World Cup for the right to be the next challenger, is that correct or has that been overtaken?

Garvinator
25-09-2007, 08:42 PM
Where is Topalov if that happens? Playing the winner of the next World Cup for the right to be the next challenger, is that correct or has that been overtaken?By the time they get that far it will have changed again ;)

Intuition
26-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Andad just won..nice game...should definately be in the bag now...:) he can even afford one of his black out losses and still win

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2007, 01:10 PM
Yes, nice win by Anand and it would appear it is all over. I didn't tip him to win because he hasn't seriously threatened to win anything resembling a real world title before, but he really has made this look easy.

Davidflude
27-09-2007, 12:55 PM
Yes, nice win by Anand and it would appear it is all over. I didn't tip him to win because he hasn't seriously threatened to win anything resembling a real world title before, but he really has made this look easy.

What I like was the way he played in his last game. He did not wimp out but went for the full point even though it looked scary.

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2007, 08:08 PM
What I like was the way he played in his last game. He did not wimp out but went for the full point even though it looked scary.

Yes, Marin on chessbase wrote:


An important moment in modern chess history. Anand's most dangerous trailers, Kramnik and Gelfand, had finished their games hours earlier and a draw would have maintained his comfortable lead in the tournament. The ambitious decision to play on will lead to a slightly irrational position, without any safety net for White. Therefore, Anand deserves the highest praise for the way he chose to climb up to the highest peak of the chess pyramide[sic]. This is the kind of World Champion the public needs.

Garvinator
28-09-2007, 01:16 AM
From Susan Polgar's website, reporting on the mood of the players etc at the WC.

In the mean time, after the Anand's victory two nights ago against Morozevich, all the players and their seconds seemed to be more relaxed. My guess is the World Championship is just about sewn up. Kramnik was in a relaxing mood, the most since I arrived in Mexico City. (Garvin italics) He was constantly smiling and laughing with his team and manager.
Regarding the comment in italics, I would imagine this is because he knows for certain that he wont have to deal with Topalov and management :owned:

Bill Gletsos
28-09-2007, 01:20 AM
Regarding the comment in italics, I would imagine this is because he knows for certain that he wont have to deal with Topalov and management :owned:Of course if Kramnik then defeats Anand in their match next year he will have to face the prospect of dealing with Topalov and Danilov in a match if Topalov beats the winner of the upcoming World Cup in their scheduled match.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2007, 08:00 AM
Anand has taken a quick draw with black against Svidler this morning, rather hard to blame him for that as the work is done.

WhiteElephant
28-09-2007, 11:04 AM
Go Gelf, about time for another jewish world champ. :) :owned:

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Gelfand's game was great fun to watch. By the time I logged on Kramnik was already winning but Gelfand's was wildly unclear. Looking forward to analysis.

EGOR
28-09-2007, 03:45 PM
The big question is, can Gelfand catch Anand?
I liked Gelfand's game as well.

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2007, 12:15 AM
Remaining pairings

Round 13 (starts in a bit under five hours)
Aronian-Svidler
Gelfand-Kramnik
Leko-Morozevich
Grischuk-Anand

Round 14
Svidler-Grischuk
Anand-Leko
Morozevich-Gelfand
Kramnik-Aronian

As for round 13, if Anand wins, Kramnik is eliminated, and Gelfand must beat Kramnik to stay in touch.
If Anand draws, a win for Kramnik eliminates Gelfand, any other result eliminates Kramnik.
If Anand loses, a win for Gelfand ties the lead and eliminates Kramnik, any other result keeps Anand as sole leader while keeping both Gelfand and Kramnik in contention.
Hopefully I can get up in time to watch some of the fun!

Kruupy
29-09-2007, 12:21 AM
Bring on those Sicilians!!!!

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2007, 12:29 AM
This is Gelfand's win over Aronian. I thought it was pretty messy while watching it but I now think Aronian was losing by move 21 if not before.

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.e3 Nd7 8.Bd3 dxc4 9.Bxc4 g6 10.0-0 Bg7 11.Rc1 0-0 12.Ne4 Qe7 13.Bb3 Rd8 14.Qc2 e5 15.Rfe1 Kh8 16.g4 Rf8 17.g5 f5 18.gxf6 Bxf6 19.Kg2 Bg7 20.h4 Nb6 21.dxe5 Bg4 22.Ned2 Nd7 23.e6 Ne5 24.Nh2 Qxh4 25.f4 Bf5 26.Ne4 Qh3+ 27.Kg1 Nf3+ 28.Nxf3 Qxf3 29.Ng5 hxg5 30.Qh2+ Qh5 31.Qxh5+ gxh5 32.e7 Rfe8 33.Rc5 Bg4 34.Rxg5 Rxe7 35.Kg2 Bf6 36.Rg6 Rf8 37.e4 Bf5 38.Rh6+ Kg7 39.Rxh5 Bxe4+ 40.Kh2 Bd5 0-1

Basil
29-09-2007, 12:40 AM
This is Gelfand's win over Aronian.
Cheers. Just about to request the link. I dream of playing like that ;) (and of meeting Miffy of course).

Garvinator
29-09-2007, 07:06 AM
Gelfand-Kramnik draw.

So if Anand can win, it is all over for the title.

Garvinator
29-09-2007, 07:07 AM
Of course if Kramnik then defeats Anand in their match next year he will have to face the prospect of dealing with Topalov and Danilov in a match if Topalov beats the winner of the upcoming World Cup in their scheduled match.
True, but that is a lot of ifs ;) :whistle:

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2007, 09:44 AM
Gelfand-Kramnik draw.

So if Anand can win, it is all over for the title.

He didn't, but it is all over for Kramnik!

Davidflude
29-09-2007, 12:19 PM
Anand certainly knows how to play rook and pawn endings. That last game he showed great technique to draw.

Well it now a case of him playing keepings off in the last game.

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Urgh, if Anand loses and Gelfand wins then the world championship is most likely determined by Neustadtl tiebreak (incorrectly aka Sonneborn-Berger) rather than playoff. Only if that tiebreak produces a tie (which would require Aronian and Svidler to score exactly 1.5 points between them, I think) would there then be a playoff match.

Personally I would prefer a playoff match to Neustadtl tiebreak as I think the latter has no mathematical validity whatsoever.

Capablanca-Fan
29-09-2007, 03:24 PM
Urgh, if Anand loses and Gelfand wins then the world championship is most likely determined by Neustadtl tiebreak (incorrectly aka Sonneborn-Berger) rather than playoff. Only if that tiebreak produces a tie (which would require Aronian and Svidler to score exactly 1.5 points between them, I think) would there then be a playoff match.

Personally I would prefer a playoff match to Neustadtl tiebreak as I think the latter has no mathematical validity whatsoever.
None of these "tiebreak" systems do. And for something as important as the world champs, there needs to be a real match if the tourney was indecisive.

eclectic
29-09-2007, 06:01 PM
None of these "tiebreak" systems do. And for something as important as the world champs, there needs to be a real match if the tourney was indecisive.

there will be no "real match" tie break

much as i disagree with the tiebreak system being used it's what's been decided as the method to be used

once you seek to change the setup midstream you are then playing into the hands of the likes of topalov and danailov

personally, i don't think that blitz games or games not needing to be notated by the player should EVER be a part of world championship tournaments or matches

if it's a match between a world champion and a challenger then the former should prevail in the event of a drawn match

if the title is vacant then the career history of the two challengers should be analysed to determine in advance who will get precedence if the match is drawn with the length of the match perhaps being determined by their comparative strength

Axiom
29-09-2007, 06:27 PM
So who were the other 3 wise tipsters? ;)

eclectic
29-09-2007, 06:34 PM
just click on the number of votes

ziah sleepless and spiny norman

Axiom
29-09-2007, 07:03 PM
just click on the number of votes

ziah sleepless and spiny norman
:doh: thankyou ec

Phil Bourke
29-09-2007, 08:02 PM
Doesn't Kramnik have an option of playing in the next level/round. I recall reading something about the contracts written up for Kramnik-Topalov 2006 whereby the loser forfeited the right to play in next cycle but the winner got two bites at the cherry.
Willing to be corrected on this, as I could well be operating on a broken memory chip :)

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2007, 08:07 PM
Doesn't Kramnik have an option of playing in the next level/round.

Yes, as has been noted in several posts above he now plays in the next title match against the champion - however as a result of this event he has lost the title until then.


I recall reading something about the contracts written up for Kramnik-Topalov 2006 whereby the loser forfeited the right to play in next cycle but the winner got two bites at the cherry.

That was correct at the time, but after losing, Topalov kicked up a stink and now gets his own second bite.

So the lineup now is:

* Either Anand or Gelfand, very probably Anand, becomes World Champion.
* Kramnik plays a match in 2008 against the new World Champion for the 2008 world title.
* Topalov plays a match against the winner of the next World Cup.
* The winner of that match plays in the next World Championship match after 2008, against the 2008 world title winner.

Garvinator
30-09-2007, 06:58 AM
So now that Anand has won this tournament, where will the Anand/Kramnik match be held next year?

Judging by past fide practices- 1996 Baghdad, also Libya, Iran etc. What do you reckon on:

2008 World Championship match to be held in Burma :whistle:

Kevin Bonham
30-09-2007, 01:03 PM
Looks like Kramnik is second beating Gelfand by a quarter of a point on Neustadtl tiebreak. Pretty silly really; is there any reason they can't just be officially =2nd?

Final scores

9 Anand
8 Kramnik, Gelfand
7 Leko
6.5 Svidler
6 Morozevich, Aronian
5.5 Grischuk

Phil Bourke
30-09-2007, 03:46 PM
* Anand, becomes World Champion.
* Kramnik plays a match in 2008 against the new World Champion for the 2008 world title.
* Topalov plays a match against the winner of the next World Cup.
* The winner of that match plays in the next World Championship match after 2008, against the 2008 world title winner.
Thanks Kevin. I know that I get the feeling that this is similar to watching a three ring circus! Dare I ask what the proposal to decide future World Champions is after all these second chance matches are finished? I was of the thought that traditional one on one matches were the best, and probably still are, way of deciding who is best between two players. Now, when you weigh in factors like expenses, player availability, etc, and having seen this tournament, I lean towards a similar format to decide future World Championships.

Kevin Bonham
30-09-2007, 04:37 PM
Thanks Kevin. I know that I get the feeling that this is similar to watching a three ring circus! Dare I ask what the proposal to decide future World Champions is after all these second chance matches are finished? I was of the thought that traditional one on one matches were the best, and probably still are, way of deciding who is best between two players. Now, when you weigh in factors like expenses, player availability, etc, and having seen this tournament, I lean towards a similar format to decide future World Championships.

The current gory details are here (http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3948). FIDE intends to have matches determining the World Champion in the future.

After the two scheduled matches I mentioned above, which essentially complete the process arising from reunification, it is proposed that the 2010 match will then be between the incumbent from the 2009 match and a qualifier determined by a match between the winner of the World Cup and the winner from a new Grand Prix series of major tournaments to commence in 2008/9. That cycle is then scheduled to rinse and repeat every two years.

Garvinator
30-09-2007, 04:54 PM
The current gory details are here (http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3948). FIDE intends to have matches determining the World Champion in the future.

After the two scheduled matches I mentioned above, which essentially complete the process arising from reunification, it is proposed that the 2010 match will then be between the incumbent from the 2009 match and a qualifier determined by a match between the winner of the World Cup and the winner from a new Grand Prix series of major tournaments to commence in 2008/9. That cycle is then scheduled to rinse and repeat every two years.
And the odds of us getting that far? :uhoh:

Bill Gletsos
30-09-2007, 10:03 PM
Interestingly in a list dated today Anand is shown as a participant in the upcoming 2007 World Cup on the FIDE website at http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1429

If he actual does play then the following situation apparently could occur.

1) Anand wins the 2007 World Cup

2) Anand plays Kramnik in a match next year for the world title.

3) Topalov plays Anand in a match to determine who plays the winner of 2) above.

4) The winner of 2) play the winner of 3)

Therefore you could have:

Kramnik V Topalov
Kramnik V Anand
Anand V Toplaov
or

Anand V Anand :hmm:

Anna chess
16-01-2008, 09:45 PM
Usually I watch coverage on the ICC server because of the nice bright chessboard and also there is a simple kibitzing feature which lets all of the users watching the play interact with each other. However it took me a while to work out ways of doing stuff there because it is more command driven rather than having buttons for functions. There are so many chess sites about these days! I think Aronian will win the tournament because he is a product of the computer generation and keeps getting better with each tournament. Anand is too old, and Kramnik and Leko have reached their peaks.
Do you play online at the site mentioned on www.chessok.com?
what a pity, that I didn't see you message before:(
yes, I play at playing zone there and I must say I like it
and sometimes I try to solve chess tasks there
I should say, it's one of my favorite site on chess