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pax
23-07-2007, 10:12 AM
Smerdon is now on 3/3 in the super strong Czech Open after a win over GM Mikhailo Oleksienko (2567).
http://www.czechopen.net/results/results_en.php?id_turnaje=1

Smerdon is chasing his third and final GM norm, and is off to a flyer. He plays GM Gajewski (2556) in round 4.

There are a few interesting titles in this event: GMs Espig (2320), Malinin (2375), Meduna (2392), Plachetka (2414), Shtyrenkov (2435) and several more under 2450. IMs Volodin (2254), Vavra (2268), Dovzhenko (2280), Grabinsky (2288).

Watto
23-07-2007, 10:38 AM
Smerdon is now on 3/3 in the super strong Czech Open after a win over GM Mikhailo Oleksienko (2567).
http://www.czechopen.net/results/results_en.php?id_turnaje=1

Smerdon is chasing his third and final GM norm, and is off to a flyer. He plays GM Gajewski (2556) in round 4.
Go David!!!



There are a few interesting titles in this event: GMs Espig (2320), Malinin (2375), Meduna (2392), Plachetka (2414), Shtyrenkov (2435) and several more under 2450. IMs Volodin (2254), Vavra (2268), Dovzhenko (2280), Grabinsky (2288). Espig was born in 1949. Malinin in 1956. Meduna 1950. Plachetka in 1945. Shtyrenkov in 1958. Haven’t looked at the rest but with these ones I think age might just have wearied them.

pax
23-07-2007, 10:40 AM
Espig was born in 1949. Malinin in 1956. Meduna 1950. Plachetka in 1945. Shtyrenkov in 1958. Haven’t looked at the rest but with these ones I think age might just have wearied them.

Good on them for hanging in there. Mind you - 60 isn't so old any more..

Igor_Goldenberg
23-07-2007, 11:23 AM
Smerdon is now on 3/3 in the super strong Czech Open after a win over GM Mikhailo Oleksienko (2567).


Good luck to David!

Capablanca-Fan
23-07-2007, 11:40 AM
Yeah, he better not return to Oz without a GM title!

Garvinator
23-07-2007, 11:44 AM
Yeah, he better not return to Oz without a GM title!
well at least not without the third GM norm ;)

pax
23-07-2007, 12:12 PM
Yeah, he better not return to Oz without a GM title!

I hear there is an opening for another GM. Seriously, though, with Rogers' retirement it will be interesting to see what Australia's Olympiad team looks like over the next few years. I note that there are many players in Australia's top twenty who are at or near their rating peaks, including Smerdon, Zhao, Solomon, Xie and Goldenberg.

Basil
23-07-2007, 01:36 PM
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In all seriousness ...

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MichaelBaron
23-07-2007, 05:25 PM
Smerdon is now on 3/3 in the super strong Czech Open after a win over GM Mikhailo Oleksienko (2567).
http://www.czechopen.net/results/results_en.php?id_turnaje=1

Smerdon is chasing his third and final GM norm, and is off to a flyer. He plays GM Gajewski (2556) in round 4.

There are a few interesting titles in this event: GMs Espig (2320), Malinin (2375), Meduna (2392), Plachetka (2414), Shtyrenkov (2435) and several more under 2450. IMs Volodin (2254), Vavra (2268), Dovzhenko (2280), Grabinsky (2288).

Espig won East Germany championship a few times in the late 70's-early 80's
Plachetka played for the Chech Republic Ollympiad team in the 60's-70's Shtyrenkov won russian federation championship around 1986

Malinin is a candidate master who bought his grandmaster title. I will be surprised if his performance rating in the event will be above 2300

Kevin Bonham
23-07-2007, 11:31 PM
Anyone know where I can grab a PGN of Smerdon's win over Oleksienko?

I wish (he said foolhardily) to attempt to analyse it.

Spiny Norman
24-07-2007, 06:41 AM
Amiel has the PGN at his blog: http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com/ (if you asked him nicely, I'm sure he'd post it here for you!).

The tournament website shows, as at end of round 4:

Name SMERDON DAVID
Rating international 2461
Rating performance 2759



Rd. SNo Name RtgI FED Pts. Res.
1 285 STEINER BRUNO 2260 AUT 2,0 w 1
2 215 RAMESA DAVOR 2310 CRO 2,5 s 1
3 11 GM OLEKSIENKO MIKHAILO 2567 UKR 3,0 w 1
4 17 GM GAJEWSKI GRZEGORZ 2556 POL 3,5 s ½
5 35 IM VOVK ANDRIY 2504 UKR 3,5 w

Hope he can keep up the good work!

Phil Bourke
24-07-2007, 09:21 AM
[Event "Pardubice Open"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.07.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Smerdon, David"]
[Black "Oleksienko, M."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Annotator ""]
[PlyCount "101"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]

{32MB, 2Openings.ctg} 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb4+ 6. Bd2
Be7 7. e4 d5 8. cxd5 Bxf1 9. Kxf1 exd5 10. e5 Ne4 11. Nc3 Nxc3 12. bxc3 c5 13.
Kg2 Nc6 14. h4 Qd7 15. Rae1 Qe6 16. Ng5 Bxg5 17. hxg5 cxd4 18. f4 g6 19. cxd4
Rc8 20. Qd3 Ne7 21. Rc1 O-O 22. Bb4 Rxc1 23. Rxc1 Rc8 24. Rxc8+ Nxc8 25. Qe2
Qc6 26. g4 a5 27. Ba3 Qa4 28. Qe3 Qd7 29. Qf3 Na7 30. f5 Nb5 31. e6 fxe6 32.
fxe6 Qe8 33. e7 Nxa3 34. Qxd5+ Kg7 35. Qe5+ Kg8 36. Qe6+ Kg7 37. Qf6+ Kg8 38.
Qe6+ Kg7 39. Qf6+ Kg8 40. Qe6+ Kg7 41. d5 Nc4 42. Qf6+ Kg8 43. Qe6+ Kg7 44. a4
b5 45. axb5 a4 46. d6 Nb6 47. Qe3 Nd7 48. b6 h6 49. gxh6+ Kh7 50. g5 a3 51. Qc3
1-0

This was done by writing the moves down from TCG, thanks Amiel :)
Thinking that Amiel has been given the right moves, both players missed a draw by threefold repetition, or perhaps they both ignored it thinking they could win in which case Smerdon was the only one that was right :)

arosar
24-07-2007, 10:43 AM
I took the moves from the site.

AR

Capablanca-Fan
24-07-2007, 11:07 AM
[Event "Pardubice Open"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.07.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Smerdon, David"]
[Black "Oleksienko, M."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Annotator ""]
[PlyCount "101"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb4+ 6. Bd2
Be7 7. e4 d5 8. cxd5 Bxf1 9. Kxf1 exd5 10. e5 Ne4 11. Nc3 Nxc3 12. bxc3 c5 13.
Kg2 Nc6 14. h4 Qd7 15. Rae1 Qe6 16. Ng5 Bxg5 17. hxg5 cxd4 18. f4 g6 19. cxd4
Rc8 20. Qd3 Ne7 21. Rc1 O-O 22. Bb4 Rxc1 23. Rxc1 Rc8 24. Rxc8+ Nxc8 25. Qe2
Qc6 26. g4 a5 27. Ba3 Qa4 28. Qe3 Qd7 29. Qf3 Na7 30. f5 Nb5 31. e6 fxe6 32.
fxe6 Qe8 33. e7 Nxa3 34. Qxd5+ Kg7 35. Qe5+ Kg8 36. Qe6+ Kg7 37. Qf6+ Kg8 38.
Qe6+ Kg7 39. Qf6+ Kg8 40. Qe6+ Kg7 41. d5 Nc4 42. Qf6+ Kg8 43. Qe6+ Kg7 44. a4
b5 45. axb5 a4 46. d6 Nb6 47. Qe3 Nd7 48. b6 h6 49. gxh6+ Kh7 50. g5 a3 51. Qc3
1-0

Thanx Phil :)

arosar
24-07-2007, 11:49 AM
You guys seem to have an extra move. My version ends at 50. Qc3.

AR

pax
24-07-2007, 01:51 PM
Wow, I see in Chessbase that Fabiano Caruana - the winner of the recent first Saturday tournament (ahead of Smerdon) was just 14 years old:

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3999

His win makes him the youngest US and Italian GM in history. I wonder where his loyalties lie, give he lives in Hungary?

Kevin Bonham
24-07-2007, 06:48 PM
Amiel has the PGN at his blog: http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com/ (if you asked him nicely, I'm sure he'd post it here for you!).

I saw the moves on the TCG display board but couldn't find the notation anywhere. Couldn't see it anywhere on the official site (but maybe that was because one of the sites being used was down).

Thanks Phil and Jono for posting the game. White's piece sac in the endgame was absolutely sound.

Elwood Bendigo
25-07-2007, 01:02 AM
Chess is covering some of the games live-right now Smerdon vs IM Andrey Vovk 2484

Elwood Bendigo
25-07-2007, 01:03 AM
Sorry I mean chessbase ie fritz server

Phil Bourke
25-07-2007, 03:35 AM
[Event "Pardubice Open"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.07.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Smerdon, David"]
[Black "Oleksienko, M."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Annotator ""]
[PlyCount "101"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb4+ 6. Bd2
Be7 7. e4 d5 8. cxd5 Bxf1 9. Kxf1 exd5 10. e5 Ne4 11. Nc3 Nxc3 12. bxc3 c5 13.
Kg2 Nc6 14. h4 Qd7 15. Rae1 Qe6 16. Ng5 Bxg5 17. hxg5 cxd4 18. f4 g6 19. cxd4
Rc8 20. Qd3 Ne7 21. Rc1 O-O 22. Bb4 Rxc1 23. Rxc1 Rc8 24. Rxc8+ Nxc8 25. Qe2
Qc6 26. g4 a5 27. Ba3 Qa4 28. Qe3 Qd7 29. Qf3 Na7 30. f5 Nb5 31. e6 fxe6 32.
fxe6 Qe8 33. e7 Nxa3 34. Qxd5+ Kg7 35. Qe5+ Kf7 36. Qf6+ Kg8 37. Qe6+ Kg7 38.
Qf6+ Kg8 39. Qe6+ Kg7 40. d5 Nc4 41. Qf6+ Kg8 42. Qe6+ Kg7 43. a4
b5 44. axb5 a4 45. d6 Nb6 46. Qe3 Nd7 47. b6 h6 48. gxh6+ Kh7 49. g5 a3 50. Qc3
1-0

Thanx Phil :)
Attempting to fix game, my mistake in transcribing from notepad to here that I added a move in around 34-39. Think this eradicates the triple repetition.

WhiteElephant
25-07-2007, 07:07 AM
What a great start to the day.....

SMERDON DAVID 3˝ 1 - 0 3˝ IM VOVK ANDRIY


He is on Board 1 next round:

LAZNICKA VIKTOR 4˝ 4˝ IM SMERDON DAVID

Go Dave! :clap:

Spiny Norman
25-07-2007, 07:43 AM
He's definitely having a blinder thus far ... tournament files show:

Rating Performance: 2805

Time for a couple more quick GM draws! ;)

Spiny Norman
25-07-2007, 08:02 AM
Here's last night's win over the 2504-rated IM. Haven't Fritzed it yet ... but at first glance:
-- bold move to sac the exchange for positional compensation early (is it sound?)
-- increases positional advantage and wins the exchange back
-- gets to a piece up for pawns
-- beautiful technique to convert R+B+pawns vs R+pawns into a win!

1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.cxd4 d6 7.Bc4 Nb6 8.Bb5 Bd7 9.Nc3 e6 10.0-0 a6 11.Bd3 dxe5 12.dxe5 Nb4 13.Bg5 Be7 14.Ne4 Nc8 15.Rc1 Nxd3 16.Qxd3 Bb5 17.Qb3 Qd5 18.Bxe7 Qxb3 19.axb3 Bxf1 20.Ba3 Bb5 21.Rc7 h6 22.Nd4 Bc6 23.Nxc6 bxc6 24.Bc5 a5 25.f4 Rb8 26.b4 axb4 27.g4 h5 28.f5 hxg4 29.f6 g6 30.Ng5 Rh5 31.Nxf7 Rh7 32.Nd6+ Nxd6 33.Rxh7 Nf7 34.Rg7 Rb5 35.Rg8+ Kd7 36.Rg7 Ke8 37.Rg8+ Kd7 38.Rf8 Nxe5 39.f7 Nxf7 40.Rxf7+ Ke8 41.Rf8+ Kd7 42.Bf2 g5 43.Rg8 Ra5 44.Rg7+ Ke8 45.Rc7 Ra1+ 46.Kg2 Rb1 47.Rxc6 Rxb2 48.Rxe6+ Kf7 49.Rb6 b3 50.Kg3 Rc2 51.Rxb3 Kg6 52.Re3 Kf5 53.Re8 Rc3+ 54.Kg2 Rb3 55.Rf8+ Kg6 56.Bg3 Rb2+ 57.Kf1 Ra2 58.Rf2 Ra1+ 59.Ke2 Ra3 60.Rf8 Rb3 61.Rd8 Kf5 62.Rd5+ Kg6 63.Rd3 Rb7 64.Rd6+ Kh5 65.Ke3 Rb3+ 66.Rd3 Rb1 67.Ke4 Rf1 68.Rd2 Rf7 69.Rf2 Rf6 70.Rf5 Ra6 71.Rf8 Rf6 72.Rd8 Rf1 73.Ke5 Kg6 74.Rg8+ Kh5 75.Ke6 Rf3 76.Be5 Kh6 77.Bf6 Ra3 78.Kf7 Ra7+ 79.Be7 Kh7 80.Rxg5 Kh6 81.Rxg4 Line

Basil
25-07-2007, 08:09 AM
Wow.

Aaron Guthrie
25-07-2007, 09:51 AM
That is a nice game.

Igor_Goldenberg
25-07-2007, 10:12 AM
The sacrifice, while objectively not the strongest move, is perfectly sound. It leads to a roughly equal position which is much more difficult (and unpleasant!) to play for black.

27...h5 was a bit premature as it weakens g5 square. On the other hand, it's hard to recommend something useful in that position.

Black missed an interesting resource on move 38 ...Ng5 instead of 38...Ne5 could save the game as 39.f7 could be met with 39...Nh7. It is not easy to find over the board.

All in all very good game for white!

pax
25-07-2007, 10:15 AM
Another great result for the Smurf!

It looks to me as though 1.5/4 from here will probably be enough to secure the norm (assuming about 2480 rating average for his last three opponents). It might be prudent for him to knuckle down for some draws, but I don't know if that approach is in David's nature!

Incidentally, a GM result would probably also result in 15-20 rating points so he wouldn't be over the line just yet..

CameronD
25-07-2007, 12:21 PM
All the key mistakes moves 35-39 occured when smerden was down to under a minute on the clock and the other guy to 3 miutes, so its understandable that they miss the best move.

Capablanca-Fan
25-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Another great result for the Smurf!
That was an ingenious long-term positional sacrifice of the exchange in a queenless middlegame. And he didn't care about Black picking up some pawns to go with it, as long as he kept the bind.

It might be prudent for him to knuckle down for some draws, but I don't know if that approach is in David's nature!


Incidentally, a GM result would probably also result in 15-20 rating points so he wouldn't be over the line just yet..
Not sure. He did sacrifice unsoundly in the last round of the Aussie Ch. against Igor, who defended too well and handed him his only defeat. But in the last round of the Day of Knights, he made a quick draw with me as white to gain first place.

Desmond
25-07-2007, 12:49 PM
Go David! :clap:

pax
25-07-2007, 04:47 PM
That was an ingenious long-term positional sacrifice of the exchange in a queenless middlegame. And he didn't care about Black picking up some pawns to go with it, as long as he kept the bind.

It was beautiful. You sense that Smerdon understood the position completely, and his 2500 opponent just didn't.

D Dragicevic
26-07-2007, 08:11 AM
what are the requirements for a GM norm... i know that you have to play certain number of GM's and/or IM's.. and does the rating performance have to be 2550...

Capablanca-Fan
26-07-2007, 09:00 AM
what are the requirements for a GM norm... i know that you have to play certain number of GM's and/or IM's.. and does the rating performance have to be 2550...
GM norm is >=2600 performance. The title will not be awarded until the player's rating reaches >=2500.

pax
26-07-2007, 09:23 AM
GM norm is >=2600 performance. The title will not be awarded until the player's rating reaches >=2500.

Performance must be 2600 over at least 9 games according to the FIDE tables here:
http://fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=B0101

For example, 6/9 against minimum 2476 rated opposition. For this rating calculation, the two lowest-rated opponents (unrated or otherwise) may have their ratings lifted to 2250. Any win may be excluded from the calculations if required, as long as at least 9 games are included in the calculation.

It is also required that 3 opponents have GM titles, and that 50% of all opponents have FIDE titles (not including CM and WCM). The average rating of opponents must be at least 2381 (including the 2250 uplift). Opponents must come from at least two federations other than the applicant's own.

David will have satisfied all of the above conditions if he satisfies the performance requirement. 1.5/3 will be enough if his last two opponents average over about 2495. If they don't he will need 2/3.

I think he will push for a win with white against Evgeni Sveshnikov (GM, 2504), who hasn't had a great tournament so far.

Capablanca-Fan
26-07-2007, 09:34 AM
I think he will push for a win with white against Evgeni Sveshnikov (GM, 2504), who hasn't had a great tournament so far.
That will be interesting, playing Sveshnikov's own opening against him (c3 Sicilian).

FWIW, I beat Svesh in a simul in the former USSR in 1988.

Basil
26-07-2007, 10:24 AM
One thing about our David ...

He'll never die wondering ;)

Johanath
26-07-2007, 12:55 PM
Actually, the rating performance is not 2600, but 2601 (following rounding). At the moment - based on the current average of Dave's opponents, he has to score another 2 out of 3 points to grab his final norm. Check here for the details!

http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=b0101

pax
26-07-2007, 03:25 PM
Actually, the rating performance is not 2600, but 2601 (following rounding). At the moment - based on the current average of Dave's opponents, he has to score another 2 out of 3 points to grab his final norm. Check here for the details!

http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=b0101

As I said, 1.5/3 will be enough if his last two opponent's are rated over 2495 average (quite likely, especially if he wins tonight).

Spiny Norman
27-07-2007, 07:09 AM
Smerdon wins. Now on 5.5/7 with rating performance to date of 2701. Is it two rounds to go? Looks like he just needs a solid performance in the next round, against an IM rated 2492, also on 5.5/7 obviously. I think the next game is a danger game for him. Fortunately he has White, so perhaps a quick draw?

iatrosH
27-07-2007, 07:12 AM
SMERDON DAVID 4½ 1 - 0 4½ GM SVESHNIKOV EVGENI (rating 2378)

His next round (8),

SMERDON DAVID 5½ v 5½ IM KRAVTSIV MARTYN,
whose rating is 2349

Some of you guys who are good at maths could perhaps tell me what this does for getting his GM norm.

Spiny Norman
27-07-2007, 08:25 AM
IM KRAVTSIV MARTYN, whose rating is 2349
Where did you get that rating from? The tournament website says he is 2492. Are you sure you looked up the right guy?

http://chess-results.com/tnr7209.aspx?tnr=7209&art=9&lan=1&flag=30&mm=1&m=-1&snr=45

Johanath
27-07-2007, 09:05 AM
Currently the average rating of Dave's opponents is 2471 (the 2435-2475 rating bracket). He would then require 1 point out of 2 in the final 2 rounds to score his GM norm. If he is bumped up to the next rating bracket based on his next 2 opponents, (that is 2476-2520) then a draw should be sufficient. In other words, if Dave wins in his next match (or the match thereafter), he will DEFINITELY clinch the final norm immediately. If a draw in the next round were to bring him a match against an opponent rated at least 2497 (I believe) then he also scores a norm! That is, he doesn't need any more wins. I base the number 2497 on the calculation below:

(2476.0 x 9 - (2310+2260+2567+2556+2504+2594+2504+2492) = 2497

(Note that I haven't taken into account any rounding which may occur, which should be negligible. 2492 I think if the rounding is allowed?)

Dave's coming opponent has not played one GM thus far, definitely an 'easier' tournie than what Dave has had. Surely this is in favour of Dave!

Gee this is exciting stuff!!! Go Smerdon!

Desmond
27-07-2007, 09:15 AM
Is that the Sveshnikov?

pax
27-07-2007, 09:18 AM
By my calculations, if Smerdon's final round opponent is rated 2492 or higher, then the average rating of his opponents will be above 2475.5 and hence he would require only 0.5/2 for the GM norm. If, however the final round opponent is rated lower than 2492 he will need 1/2.

Supposing he takes an easy draw tonight. That would put him on 6/8, and it looks pretty likely, but by no means certain that his final round opponent would be high enough.

For reference, of the 17 players currently on 5.5 or higher only 6 apart from Smerdon are rated below 2492. Of the 37 players on 5, 26 are rated below 2492 - but I guess the expectation is that the higher rated players are more likely to win to go to 6/8. I would rate the odds at about 2:1 in favour of Smerdon facing a high enough rated opponent in round 9. But again, can anyone really see him playing for a draw with the white pieces?

Desmond
27-07-2007, 09:20 AM
But again, can anyone really see him playing for a draw with the white pieces?
In this sort of form, it'd be hard to believe he shouldn't go for a win.

Basil
27-07-2007, 09:25 AM
All this analysis! Perhaps he'll lose his last two :whistle: :rolleyes:

<<< Snagglepuss

Desmond
27-07-2007, 09:45 AM
Yeah, he could play the tromp! :P

Igor_Goldenberg
27-07-2007, 09:59 AM
Is that the Sveshnikov?
Probably yes. 2504 - must be him

Igor_Goldenberg
27-07-2007, 10:01 AM
By my calculations, if Smerdon's final round opponent is rated 2492 or higher, then the average rating of his opponents will be above 2475.5 and hence he would require only 0.5/2 for the GM norm. If, however the final round opponent is rated lower than 2492 he will need 1/2.

Supposing he takes an easy draw tonight. That would put him on 6/8, and it looks pretty likely, but by no means certain that his final round opponent would be high enough.

For reference, of the 17 players currently on 5.5 or higher only 6 apart from Smerdon are rated below 2492. Of the 37 players on 5, 26 are rated below 2492 - but I guess the expectation is that the higher rated players are more likely to win to go to 6/8. I would rate the odds at about 2:1 in favour of Smerdon facing a high enough rated opponent in round 9. But again, can anyone really see him playing for a draw with the white pieces?

I hope he doesn't read or do any calculations (at least until last round). Just have two good games to get over the line.

Watto
27-07-2007, 10:27 AM
Dave's coming opponent has not played one GM thus far, definitely an 'easier' tournie than what Dave has had. Surely this is in favour of Dave!

Gee this is exciting stuff!!! Go Smerdon!
Yes, very exciting!! I think he’s going to do it.

And great that it’s Friday so we don’t have to worry about work the next day…

pax
27-07-2007, 12:12 PM
Anyone got the moves from the game vs Sveshnikov?

Garvinator
27-07-2007, 12:54 PM
I hope he doesn't read or do any calculations (at least until last round). Just have two good games to get over the line.
Yeah, just win the tournament as well ;) :)

iatrosH
27-07-2007, 01:21 PM
Frosty, I was looking up http://chess-results.com/tnr7209.aspx?tnr=7209&art=4&lan=1&flag=30&mm=1&m=-1

I'm new at all this so perhaps I don't get it, but the crosstable there indicates 2349 under the Tb2 column. Is this not his rating? If it is, what accounts for the variation? I see in the games I downloaded that the 2492 you refer to is shown as his rating. So maybe there's a discrepancy in what the site shows at different places, or maybe it's a simple matter of explaining to this newbie how to read the info.

Garvinator
27-07-2007, 01:24 PM
Frosty, I was looking up http://chess-results.com/tnr7209.aspx?tnr=7209&art=4&lan=1&flag=30&mm=1&m=-1

I'm new at all this so perhaps I don't get it, but the crosstable there indicates 2349 under the Tb2 column. Is this not his rating? If it is, what accounts for the variation? I see in the games I downloaded that the 2492 you refer to is shown as his rating. So maybe there's a discrepancy in what the site shows at different places, or maybe it's a simple matter of explaining to this newbie how to read the info.
In that crosstable, tb2 refers to average rating of opponents. So KRAVTSIV's average rating of opponents has been 2349.

iatrosH
27-07-2007, 01:24 PM
>Anyone got the moves from the game vs Sveshnikov?

I don't have them, but presumably they'll be available from http://www.czechopen.net/results/games.php fairly soon.

iatrosH
27-07-2007, 01:25 PM
>In that crosstable, tb2 refers to average rating of opponents.

Ah, I get it. Thanks.

Igor_Goldenberg
27-07-2007, 01:40 PM
Yeah, just win the tournament as well ;) :)
That would be good!

Afitz
27-07-2007, 06:29 PM
Smerdon doesn't go for draws normally....He enjoys his crazy positions way too much:lol:

Elwood Bendigo
27-07-2007, 06:34 PM
Does anybody know the start time tonight?

Axiom
27-07-2007, 06:59 PM
david smerdon is the light at the end of the ian rogers tunnel

Metro
27-07-2007, 08:21 PM
Does anybody know the start time tonight?

11 pm Melbourne(I think).

As Igor says, I don't think it's a good idea to get distracted by numbers and ratings etc. Just concentrate on the game at hand.


And by the way, :P GO DAVID!

Basil
27-07-2007, 08:52 PM
As Igor says, I don't it's a good idea to get distracted by numbers and ratings etc. Just concentrate on the game at hand.

Which is what the Oracle was intimating 1/2 an hour before that rank amateur said it ;)


All this analysis! Perhaps he'll lose his last two :whistle: :rolleyes:

<<< Snagglepuss

Everybody carry on!

pax
27-07-2007, 09:04 PM
Which is what the Oracle was intimating 1/2 an hour before that rank amateur said it ;)
Yah, I'm sure David scours chesschat for advice on the eve of what could be the most significant game of his career :rolleyes:

Kevin Bonham
27-07-2007, 09:10 PM
What's the deal? Does he only need a draw tonight? AR hinted as much on his blog but I have not done the calculations.

Basil
27-07-2007, 09:14 PM
Yah, I'm sure David scours chesschat for advice on the eve of what could be the most significant game of his career :rolleyes:
Oooooh, and you've been doing so well recently, Jon.

With your comment, I'd be checking the cranium for the slightest early signs of protuberances. Not quite full-blown pointy - but cause for concern and a good night's sleep.

Yes, I think it's fairly safe to say that David neither scours the BB, nor takes advice from me :rolleyes:

Johanath
27-07-2007, 10:22 PM
Smerdon doesn't go for draws normally....He enjoys his crazy positions way too much:lol:

Yes, quite odd that he took a 7 move draw in an earlier round. Was a novelty that was played too! His opponent must have been mortified to realise that he was already out of familiar territory so soon! Haha!!!

Kevin Bonham
27-07-2007, 10:22 PM
Yes, I think it's fairly safe to say that David neither scours the BB, nor takes advice from me :rolleyes:

He is a member but I haven't seen him online for a while.

Johanath
27-07-2007, 10:26 PM
What's the deal? Does he only need a draw tonight? AR hinted as much on his blog but I have not done the calculations.

As was mentioned from the previous post Kevin, it all depends on the rating of Dave's opponent in the final round if he draws tonight. His opponent needs to be at least 2492 in the final round (if rounding is allowed... otherwise 2497) for him to be guaranteed the norm even if he loses in the 9th round. If he wins tonight, then his destiny is clear, irrespective of his final round result - the coveted GM norm is his!

Basil
27-07-2007, 10:27 PM
He is a member but I haven't seen him online for a while.
One more post from anyone regarding whether David Smerdon reads this BB or takes advice from it, no matter how oblique, and I will nominate this thread for the:

It Shouldn't Be Possible, And I Had To See It To Believe It, For This Many Intelligent People To Consistently Misunderstand Each Other In Such A Short Space Of Time, Over Such A Non Issue HADBBA

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

Desmond
27-07-2007, 10:37 PM
I hope David doesn't take that comment to heart Howard. If he reads it that is.

arosar
27-07-2007, 10:39 PM
Righto...an emergency request to Smerdon is on its way for that Sveshi game.

Hopefully I'll get is some time tomorrow morning.

See youse!!

AR

pax
27-07-2007, 11:18 PM
Draw!

EGOR
27-07-2007, 11:22 PM
In only 11 moves!

pax
27-07-2007, 11:33 PM
The final position is a classic. Lasker played both sides of it, Chigorin and Spielmann played it, Marshall beat Capablanca and Tarrasch with it. Statistically, it doesn't look great for white.

Garvinator
27-07-2007, 11:39 PM
Draw!
If I have remembered your previous posts correctly, now we await to see what rating David's last round opponent is? If he gets an opponent who is rated high enough, does he already have the GM norm?

Desmond
27-07-2007, 11:40 PM
The final position is a classic. Lasker played both sides of it, Chigorin and Spielmann played it, Marshall beat Capablanca and Tarrasch with it. Statistically, it doesn't look great for white.Yes, but, you know, kids and their computers, you never know what he had in store.

Johanath
27-07-2007, 11:59 PM
If I have remembered your previous posts correctly, now we await to see what rating David's last round opponent is? If he gets an opponent who is rated high enough, does he already have the GM norm?

Yep. If you check the posts a few above yours, all is explained.

Phil Bourke
28-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Yes, but, you know, kids and their computers, you never know what he had in store.
Perhaps it was something similar to this :)
[Event "Australian Open"]
[Site "Canberra AUS"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[White "Smerdon,D"]
[Black "Heidenfeld,M"]
[Round "11"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2315"]
[BlackElo "2375"]
[ECO "C55"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O
Bc5 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. Ng5
Qd5 10. Nc3 Qf5 11. Nce4 O-O-O 12. g4 Qe5 13. Nxe6
fxe6 14. fxg7 Rhg8 15. Bh6 d3 16. c3 d2 17. Re2
Rd3 18. Qf1 Qd5 19. Rd1 Be7 20. Qg2 Ne5 21. Rexd2
Nf7 22. g5 Nxh6 23. Rxd3 cxd3 24. gxh6 Qh5 25. Rxd3
Qxh6 26. Rg3 Bh4 27. Rg4 Qc1+ 28. Qf1 Qh6 29. Qc4
Rxg7 30. Nc5 Qf6 31. f3 e5 32. Rxg7 Qxg7+ 33. Kf1
Qe7 34. Qg4+ Kb8 35. Nd7+ Ka8 36. Nf6 1-0

bergil
28-07-2007, 12:35 AM
One more post from anyone regarding whether David Smerdon reads this BB or takes advice from it, no matter how oblique, and I will nominate this thread for the:

It Shouldn't Be Possible, And I Had To See It To Believe It, For This Many Intelligent People To Consistently Misunderstand Each Other In Such A Short Space Of Time, Over Such A Non Issue HADBBA

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:Yeah yeah but only if there are another HADBBA published :hand: ;)

Garvinator
28-07-2007, 12:41 AM
Yeah yeah but only if there are another HADBBA published :hand: ;)
but would it be a hadbba now? Or would it be gdbba?

Kevin Bonham
28-07-2007, 01:17 AM
In his blog, AR now says:


Contrary to our post yesterday he actually still needs a draw against someone rated at least 2497 in the 9th and final round. But if the opponent is below 2497, then a win is required.

I'm checking to see what the correct situation is.

[EDIT: As far as I can tell AR's colleague is incorrect. 6/9 vs 2476-2520 is a norm and Smerdon currently has 6/8 vs average rating 2473.3.]

D Dragicevic
28-07-2007, 01:34 AM
Ok, I have done some calculations, but I would like someone to double check it as one of them does seem a bit odd....

Ok, firstly a loss in the last round against 2560 would still result in performance rating of 2600.. rating average played 2483...( there are 13 players over 2560, and David has played two of them so it is unlikely he would get any of those)...

Secondly, and this does look a bit unusual, is even if David draws against 2200 player would result in a performance rating of 2609... rating average played 2443...

Now would both situations result in GM norm as performance rating is over 2600 or is rating average of opponents a factor...

Garvinator
28-07-2007, 02:19 AM
Now would both situations result in GM norm as performance rating is over 2600 or is rating average of opponents a factor...Since no one else has replied. Average rating is the factor in determining what score he needs for the standard of opposition he has/will meet.

Higher average rating field met = lower score required.

Hence why we are waiting to see what the rating of his last round opponent is.


By my calculations, if Smerdon's final round opponent is rated 2492 or higher, then the average rating of his opponents will be above 2475.5 and hence he would require only 0.5/2 for the GM norm. If, however the final round opponent is rated lower than 2492 he will need 1/2.

So this means that if David's last round opponent is rated above 2491, David has fulfilled all requirements for the GM norm part of the GM title. All he will need then if the 2500 fide rating.

pax
28-07-2007, 06:23 AM
Secondly, and this does look a bit unusual, is even if David draws against 2200 player would result in a performance rating of 2609... rating average played 2443...

You have to use the FIDE charts to do this calculation, not my performance calculator (which calculates true performance ratings rather than performance rating based on average rating which is what FIDE uses), hence why David needed a 2492 rated opponent in order not to require a draw for his norm. You are also right that a final round draw against any opponent was also sufficient.

But I see that David's final opponent is:

MASLAK KONSTANTIN 2548, so let me be the first to say:

Woohooo!!!! Well done, David congratulations on your third and final GM norm :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ian Murray
28-07-2007, 06:37 AM
Doing the sums the hard way, I come up with -
Average rating 2481
If final score 6/9 (66%) Dp = 117
So rating performance (Rp) = 2481 + 117 = 2598 (i.e. 3 short of a norm)

So he needs a draw at least in the last round. A final score of 6˝ would give him an Rp of 2647, while a win gives 2702.

Looking at Maslak's performance in this event, he has nothing to play for except the money (although greenbacks are very useful in Russia!). He drew his first two games (Swiss Gambit!?) plus two more draws along the way. He may well be amenable to another draw offer tonight.

pax
28-07-2007, 08:24 AM
You're wrong Ian - the FIDE tables are Gospel in this matter, and the average rating cutoff for a 6/9 norm is 2476.

pax
28-07-2007, 08:31 AM
The problem with your calculation is that 6/9 actually rounds to 67% rather than 66%, and hence dp should be 125 not 117.

arosar
28-07-2007, 08:34 AM
Jesus Christ....I just hope you're right!!

Anyway, game against Sveshi now up on blog!

AR

pax
28-07-2007, 08:41 AM
Jesus Christ....I just hope you're right!!
Trust me mate :)



Anyway, game against Sveshi now up on blog!

It's a ripper too!

Smerdon-Sveshnikov

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. e5 Nd5 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 d6 7. Bc4 Nb6 8. Bb3 dxe5 9. d5 Na5 10. Nc3 Bg4 11. Be3 Nxb3 12. Qxb3 Bxf3 13. gxf3 g6 14. a4 Qd7 15. a5 Nc8 16. Ne4 Nd6 17. Nc5 Qb5 18. Qxb5+ Nxb5 19. Nxb7 a6 20. Bb6 Bh6 21. O-O O-O 22. Kg2 Rfc8 23. Rfe1 f6 24. Nc5 Kf7 25. Ra4 Bf4 26. Rd1 g5 27. Rb4 Nd4 28. Ne4 Nf5 29. d6 exd6 30. Nxd6+ Nxd6 31. Rxd6 Ke7 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Rb3 Rac8 34. Rbd3 R8c6 35. b4 Kf7 36. Bc5 Kg6 37. Kg1 h5 38. Rd8 g4 39. fxg4 hxg4 40. R1d6 R6xc5 41. bxc5 e4 42. Rd4 Kf5 43. R8d5+ Ke6 44. Rh5 f5 45. Rb4 Rxc5 46. Rxe4+ Be5 47. Rb4 f4 48. Rb6+ Kd5 49. Rb1 Rxa5 50. Rg5 Ke6 51. Rb6+ Kd5 52. Rb1 Ke6 53. Rb6+ Kd5 54. Rxg4 Ra2 55. Rg5 f3 56. Rb1 Ke6 57. Re1 Re2 58. Kf1 Rxe1+ 59. Kxe1 Bxh2 60. Ra5 Bd6 61. Rxa6 Kd5 62. Kd2 Bc5 63. Ra5 Kd4 64. Rxc5 Kxc5 1-0

(sorry for stealing your traffic mate!)

Desmond
28-07-2007, 10:12 AM
MASLAK KONSTANTIN 2548 will be his opponent.

Just realized pax beat me to it. Congrats David. :clap:

Basil
28-07-2007, 10:23 AM
The lad just chucks the rule book away!! ... The 'Classical One', anyway.

I appreciate he knows exactly what he's doing and his chess is sound 99 times out 100. Seriously, 'The Bishop Pair', 'Building a Centre' ... I think he just pisses himself laughing bwa ha ha ha ha ...

Please don't anyone comment - just appreciate the sentiment.

Ian Murray
28-07-2007, 11:12 AM
Your wrong Ian - the FIDE tables are Gospel in this matter, and the average rating cutoff for a 6/9 norm is 2476.
You're right - that's what the tables show

I'm surprised the rounding is in the player's favour

Kevin Bonham
28-07-2007, 11:43 AM
But I see that David's final opponent is:

MASLAK KONSTANTIN 2548,

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Smerdon will now be a GM once he gets his rating to 2500.

Johanath
28-07-2007, 11:50 AM
Definitely a big congrats for Dave!

Bill Gletsos
28-07-2007, 12:13 PM
Your wrong Ian - the FIDE tables are Gospel in this matter, and the average rating cutoff for a 6/9 norm is 2476.Correct.

Kevin Bonham
28-07-2007, 12:33 PM
Maslak, who Smerdon plays in the last round, is only an IM despite the high rating of 2548. Also Maslak had some problems with the rats and mice in the early rounds (not that 2200s are bunnies, but any respectable 2550-odd shouldn't only draw with two of them in a row). Playing Smerdon only gets his rating average to 2377 which is just short of the 2381 minimum average to get a GM norm with a win in this game.

Hope David can still focus after his acheivement as any more points on the board will assist with getting his rating to the required level (not that this should take too long when he is 2461 already and presumably gaining from this tournament.)

Basil
28-07-2007, 12:45 PM
Take this opportunity to congratulate Lionel Smerdon, David's father. He must be as proud as punch. With David not being too many years out of junior ranks, Lionel (both parents) would only just be catching his breath from all the running around and encouragement.

For that don't know Lionel was one of the four key figures on the OC of the successful AusChamps in Brisbane 2 years ago.

Well done Smerdons! (http://frogstar.soylentgeek.com/wav/smurfs1.wav) :clap:

Capablanca-Fan
28-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Take this opportunity to congratulate Lionel Smerdon, David's father. He must be as proud as punch. With David not being too many years out of junior ranks, Lionel (both parents) would only just be catching his breath from all the running around and encouragement.

Yeah, presumably Helen, his mother, deserves some of the credit too ;) Interestingly, she is quite an artist, and she painted a pic of a chessboard and chess scene when David was only 1, so maybe there was the inspiration for his career.

Ged
28-07-2007, 01:22 PM
so after smerdon hits 2500 who's next?

Capablanca-Fan
28-07-2007, 01:50 PM
so after smerdon hits 2500 who's next?
Possibly Zhao whose rating was higher than Smerdon's. Then Ly?

Johanath
28-07-2007, 03:00 PM
Zhong Yuan is most likely the next candidate, followed by Xie or Ly?

Garvinator
28-07-2007, 03:09 PM
Zhong Yuan is most likely the next candidate, followed by Xie or Ly?
I would say Ly. Simple reason, travels more, so more opportunities.

Igor_Goldenberg
28-07-2007, 05:40 PM
Woohooo!!!! Well done, David congratulations on your third and final GM norm
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Johanath
28-07-2007, 05:42 PM
Maslak, who Smerdon plays in the last round, is only an IM despite the high rating of 2548. Also Maslak had some problems with the rats and mice in the early rounds (not that 2200s are bunnies, but any respectable 2550-odd shouldn't only draw with two of them in a row). Playing Smerdon only gets his rating average to 2377 which is just short of the 2381 minimum average to get a GM norm with a win in this game.



Actually Kevin, IM Maslak hasn't gotten to play even ONE GM thus far. Even if his opponent were rated 2800 and Maslak won, he still wouldn't get a GM norm. So unless Maslak really wants to play for a place in the cash prizes I'm guessing he'd be willing to take a draw to wrap the tournament up.

Kevin Bonham
28-07-2007, 08:28 PM
Actually Kevin, IM Maslak hasn't gotten to play even ONE GM thus far. Even if his opponent were rated 2800 and Maslak won, he still wouldn't get a GM norm.

Quite correct. I forgot there was that as well.

MichaelBaron
28-07-2007, 10:28 PM
Actually Kevin, IM Maslak hasn't gotten to play even ONE GM thus far. Even if his opponent were rated 2800 and Maslak won, he still wouldn't get a GM norm. So unless Maslak really wants to play for a place in the cash prizes I'm guessing he'd be willing to take a draw to wrap the tournament up.
I think Maslak got plenty of GM norms..just waiting for his title :)

Johanath
28-07-2007, 10:38 PM
If so, he'll be a GM in the next list! ;)

Johanath
29-07-2007, 12:00 AM
From the looks of it, Dave's not going to have this final round end quietly with a quick draw!

Garvinator
29-07-2007, 01:05 PM
Czech Open website is reporting:


There were achieved following norms at Czech Open 2007 festival:

GM HAZNEDAROGLU KIVANC TUR
GM SHIMANOV ALEXANDER RUS
GM KHMELNIKER ILYA ISR
GM SMERDON DAVID AUS

IM DINGER FLORIAN GER
IM KREJCI JAN CZE
IM GREKH ANDRIJ UKR
IM GUMULA DANIEL POL
IM LOVKOV ROMAN RUS
IM WARAKOMSKI TOMASZ POL
IM ORZECH DOMINIK POL
IM NETZER JEAN FRA
IM DOLEZAL RADOSLAV CZE
IM MUSAKAEV EMIL RUS
IM SIDORENKO ILYA ISR
IM SCHNEIDER DAVID GER
IM BROKKEN DENNIS NED
IM CHUDINOVSKIKH ALEXSANDER RUS
IM SCHUH DIRK GER
IM JORCZIK JULIAN MARCEL GER
IM HOLMSGAARD HENRIK DEN
IM SPIRIN OLEG RUS
IM KAUFMAN RAYMOND USA
IM VAN OOSTEROM CHIEL NED

WGM DAULETOVA GULMIRA KAZ

WIM BORISOVA ELIZAVETA RUS

So this confirms that Pax's calculations were indeed correct as David lost his last round game.

Basil
29-07-2007, 01:17 PM
Why does Davo have GM beside his name when he apparently must wait until his rating reaches 2500? The lad is either a GM or he isn't!

Garvinator
29-07-2007, 01:23 PM
Why does Davo have GM beside his name when he apparently must wait until his rating reaches 2500? The lad is either a GM or he isn't!
The shown title indicates which norm they achieved.

Ian Murray
29-07-2007, 07:15 PM
Smerdon's rating gain from the event is 17, taking his to 2478 - a career peak so far.
(G'arn Pax - correct my sums again :) )

brett
29-07-2007, 07:21 PM
Congratulations to David on his 3rd and final GM norm performance.What a great personal achievement.
Lets hope his title will inspire others to try for their grandmaster titles too!

Metro
29-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Congratulations to David on his 3rd and final GM norm performance.What a great personal achievement.
Lets hope his title will inspire others to try for their grandmaster titles too!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap::clap: :clap:

Bill Gletsos
29-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Smerdon's rating gain from the event is 17, taking his to 2478 - a career peak so far.
(G'arn Pax - correct my sums again :) )Can I have a go? ;)
I make it that he gains 17.7 points.
Now FIDE only rounds to the nearest at the end of the period.
Therefore what he gained/lost in a previous event in the period is relevant
As such if say he gained 2.7 from a previous event then his gain for the period would be 20.4 which means he would gain only 20 points, however if he gained 2.8 in the previous event he would gain 21 points as the 20.5 is rounded up.

pax
29-07-2007, 09:06 PM
Can I have a go? ;)
I make it that he gains 17.7 points.
Now FIDE only rounds to the nearest at the end of the period.
Therefore what he gained/lost in a previous event in the period is relevant
As such if say he gained 2.7 from a previous event then his gain for the period would be 20.4 which means he would gain only 20 points, however if he gained 2.8 in the previous event he would gain 21 points as the 20.5 is rounded up.

I'll take your word for it ;)

I seem to recall he did earn a couple of points from the first Saturday event, but can't recall how many.

Basil
29-07-2007, 09:07 PM
This is much better gents (pills remain in pocket).

Bill Gletsos
29-07-2007, 09:44 PM
I seem to recall he did earn a couple of points from the first Saturday event, but can't recall how many.I thought he only gained 0.5 rating points from that event.

D Dragicevic
29-07-2007, 10:35 PM
David also played in Victorian Open which is to be rated on the October list. By my calculations, he gained 4 points there....

bobby1972
30-07-2007, 10:00 AM
so very young and a GM .fantastic beautiful attacking chess .great result david .

pax
30-07-2007, 10:15 AM
I thought he only gained 0.5 rating points from that event.

Ok, so "a couple" is perhaps overstating a little..

peter_parr
30-07-2007, 11:39 AM
Australian International Master David Smerdon (2461) scored his third and final Grandmaster norm in Pardubice, Czech Republic.

Smerdon, seeded 72nd, started the event with three wins beating GM M.Oleksienko (UKR 2567) in round 3. A draw with GM G.Gajewski (POL 2556) in round 4 was followed by a win against IM A.Vovk (UKR 2504).

A GM norm is a +2600 performance - so far Smerdon was performing at 2805. Smerdon lost to GM V.Laznicka (CZE 2594), beat GM E.Sveshnikov(LAT 2504), drew with IM M.Kravtsiv (UKR 2492) and lost to IM K.Maslak (RUS 2548) in the final four rounds for an overall score of 6/9 (placed 30th-64th equal) and a performance rating of 2607.

Smerdon's latest result will push his rating up to about 2485.

His GM title application form when received by FIDE will appear on the FIDE website for a minimum of 60 days prior to finalisation by the FIDE Qualifications Commission.

Smerdon will also need to achieve a minimum 2500 rating to be awarded the GM title.

FM Manuel Weeks (AUS 2200) scored 3˝/9 performance 2203 in Pardubice.

More – See SMH http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/2007.htm

Tony_Chow
30-07-2007, 05:48 PM
Good to see that IM David Smerdon has attained his 3rd and final GM norm.

I first saw a young David Smerdon (aka Smurf) at the Australian Juniors in Hervey Bay, Queensland (where he won the Aust. junior title) and have seen him grow from a pleasant teenager, into a pleasant young man over the years.

Achieving 3 GM norms and having recently completed his University degree in Melbourne University, clearly demonstrates his abilities and intellect.

Again, heartiest congratulations. :clap:

Igor_Goldenberg
31-07-2007, 10:12 AM
Achieving 3 GM norms and having recently completed his University degree in Melbourne University, clearly demonstrates his abilities and intellect.


while the former is an outstanding and applauded achievement, the latter is more important.

pax
31-07-2007, 10:44 AM
while the former is an outstanding and applauded achievement, the latter is more important.

And the former is all the more remarkable for the fact that he did it while completing the latter!

WhiteElephant
31-07-2007, 10:47 AM
while the former is an outstanding and applauded achievement, the latter is more important.

While the latter may make him more employable, as a personal achievement, I would say the former is well head.

arosar
31-07-2007, 10:56 AM
It looks like David is back in HUN for another tourn. As I received the info indirectly, I can't provide more info than that.

I'll find out more then get back to you all, either here or on the blog.

AR

Capablanca-Fan
31-07-2007, 11:03 AM
while the former is an outstanding and applauded achievement, the latter is more important.
I agree. And Smurf gained a double degree.

WhiteElephant
31-07-2007, 11:05 AM
What was he studying? Engineering?

Capablanca-Fan
31-07-2007, 11:22 AM
While the latter may make him more employable, as a personal achievement, I would say the former is well head.
I agree with that too! But this is compatible with what Igor said. A number of GMs have given away chess as a profession, taking up finance (David Norwood) or poker (Roland Schmalz).

Capablanca-Fan
31-07-2007, 11:24 AM
What was he studying? Engineering?
Hmm, he did tell me :$ Finance/economics was part of it IIRC.

Watto
31-07-2007, 11:54 AM
while the former is an outstanding and applauded achievement, the latter is more important.
Have to say this issue reminds me of Cat Stevens ‘Father and son’… ;)

Why try to rate two such different achievements in Smerdon’s life? No doubt they’re both important to him.

Fact is with the GM title he’ll achieve something that only 3 Australians have. As far as personal achievements over a lifetime go, it’s way up there with the best of them...

WhiteElephant
31-07-2007, 12:09 PM
I guess it depends on how you prioritise things. Personally I look back on my state junior titles more fondly than my uni degrees.

Capablanca-Fan
31-07-2007, 12:54 PM
I guess it depends on how you prioritise things. Personally I look back on my state junior titles more fondly than my uni degrees.
And I look more fondly on winning the NZ Championship than earning a Ph.D., but the latter is the main reason for my employment.

So both you and Igor are right.

Johanath
01-08-2007, 07:16 PM
It seems as if Australia's 3rd GM-to-be and his efforts have not escaped notice! Some of his games and some nice tournament photos are shown here:

http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=1080#more-1080

pax
01-08-2007, 09:26 PM
So it appears this is Smerdon's next engagement:
http://www.ase.hu/marxgy/2007/index.html

A good performance there could put him over the line for the title.

Ian Murray
02-08-2007, 12:33 PM
There was a post here, now deleted, expressing concerns over the half-life of David's norm at the Hungarian tourney and more in a similar vein.

Made no sense to me at the time, but the penny has since dropped. The major sponsor is the local nuclear power plant.

Whether or not they are playing in the reactor room is unclear.

Capablanca-Fan
02-08-2007, 12:45 PM
It seems as if Australia's 3rd GM-to-be and his efforts have not escaped notice! Some of his games and some nice tournament photos are shown here:

http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=1080#more-1080
Good link, thanx. It related to another thread (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=163378&postcount=24).

Ian Murray
02-08-2007, 12:50 PM
There was a post here, now deleted, expressing concerns over the half-life of David's norm at the Hungarian tourney and more in a similar vein.

Made no sense to me at the time, but the penny has since dropped. The major sponsor is the local nuclear power plant.

Whether or not they are playing in the reactor room is unclear.
Eclectic has owned up. It was in the shoutbox, not a deleted post.

Sharp work on his part, picking up on it so quickly