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Garvinator
20-06-2007, 09:09 PM
Dortmund is here again, starting June 23 and so it is time for a poll.

Tournament is only seven rounds, so single round robin. A little disappointing in my opinion.


Saturday, 23rd June 3 p.m. 1st Round
Sunday, 24th June 3 p.m. 2nd Round
Monday, 25th June rest-day
Tuesday, 26th June 3 p.m. 3rd Round
Wednesday, 27th June 3 p.m. 4th Round
Thursday, 28th June rest-day
Friday, 29th June 3 p.m. 5th Round
Saturday, 30th June 3 p.m. 6th Round
Sunday, 1st July 1 p.m. Final Round

Garvinator
21-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Obviously this will effect some peoples votes, if anyone actually bothers to vote :doh:

Breaking news: will Kramnik miss Dortmund?

20.06.2007 – On the eve of the Dortmund Super-GM tournament, which begins this weekend, we learn that world champion Vladimir Kramnik has fallen ill with a severe respiratory infection, which calls his participation into question. Kramnik's illness made it necessary to cancel a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Whether he can play in Dortmund or not will be decided in the next 48 hours.

Vladimir Kramnik's illness has nothing to do with the rheumatic disease Ankylosing Spondylitis, which plagued him two years ago, and caused him to drop out of the Wijk aan Zee tournament in January 2006. That problem is under control, as he revealed to us in a recent interview.

The current problem is a severe infection of the respiratory system, accompanied by high fever, which made it necessary to administer massive antibiotics. We learn from sources in Moscow that Kramnik had to cancel a meeting with Russian President Vladimir on Wednesday because of this illness (the meeting was rescheduled for July).

When asked about his participation in the Super-GM tournament in Dortmund Kramnik's manager informed us that the situation was unclear. In his current condition playing serious chess games was out of the question. However a recovery in time for the start of the tournament on Saturday is still in the books. The next 48 hours will bring clarity. Kramnik will have to miss the press conference on Thursday and would, health permitting, arrive in Dortmund on Friday, in time for round one on Saturday at 3 p.m.

We will keep you briefed on the status of his participation.

Intuition
21-06-2007, 10:57 AM
Unable to play? This reminds me of Lleyton hewitt always injuring his ankle when he no longer wishes to play.... Kranmik just wants to save his tricks for the world championship. :uhoh:

Ian Rout
21-06-2007, 11:44 AM
Unable to play? This reminds me of Lleyton hewitt always injuring his ankle when he no longer wishes to play.... Kranmik just wants to save his tricks for the world championship. :uhoh:
I doubt that, otherwise why enter at all.

Any rumours about who would replace him? This doesn't seem to be mentioned on chessbase.

Kevin Bonham
21-06-2007, 02:04 PM
Garvin, was your vote for Mamedyarov partly influenced by his outrageously favourable draw? (4-3 colour split, white vs Kramnik and Anand)? I was thinking of tipping him anyway even before I saw that. :lol:

pax
21-06-2007, 03:24 PM
Garvin, was your vote for Mamedyarov partly influenced by his outrageously favourable draw? (4-3 colour split, white vs Kramnik and Anand)? I was thinking of tipping him anyway even before I saw that. :lol:

Is white vs Anand and Kramnik all that favourable? In these supertournaments the winning strategy usually seems to be draw the big guys and pound on the little guys. From that point of view, Kramnik with white against Carlsen, Naiditsch and Gelfand looks pretty good.

Igor_Goldenberg
21-06-2007, 04:18 PM
Is white vs Anand and Kramnik all that favourable? In these supertournaments the winning strategy usually seems to be draw the big guys and pound on the little guys. From that point of view, Kramnik with white against Carlsen, Naiditsch and Gelfand looks pretty good.
Hmm... I did not know Naiditch(2654), Carlsen(2693), let alone Gelfand(2733) are little guys, even for Kramnik. Well, Carlsen maybe (in terms of age:) )

Kevin Bonham
21-06-2007, 04:24 PM
Naiditsch and Alekseev do look like the outsiders in this bunch. Any of the others could win it.

Garvinator
21-06-2007, 04:52 PM
Garvin, was your vote for Mamedyarov partly influenced by his outrageously favourable draw? (4-3 colour split, white vs Kramnik and Anand)? I was thinking of tipping him anyway even before I saw that. :lol:
Nope, wasnt aware of the draw. I voted even before the chessbase article.

My reasoning is that Kramnik, Anand and Leko will all be keeping their preparations a secret until Mexico. Mamedyarov will be out to enhance his reputation as a player of the top class, which a win in this tournament would certainly do.

Regarding the colour split- of course if Kramnik withdraws, then it is 3-3. Then the question becomes, where do the players get the bye in terms of a favourable draw?

Still dont understand why this tournament is SRR, instead of DRR.

Kevin Bonham
21-06-2007, 04:55 PM
My reasoning is that Kramnik, Anand and Leko will all be keeping their preparations a secret until Mexico.

This was also a large part of my reasoning.

pax
21-06-2007, 05:01 PM
Hmm... I did not know Naiditch(2654), Carlsen(2693), let alone Gelfand(2733) are little guys, even for Kramnik. Well, Carlsen maybe (in terms of age:) )

Come on, Igor - it's all relative. Note that nobody has backed Naiditsch or Gelfand to win, and only one has backed Carlsen. The three I mentioned are all in the bottom half of the seedings along with Alekseev.

Oepty
21-06-2007, 06:24 PM
Naiditsch and Alekseev do look like the outsiders in this bunch. Any of the others could win it.

Kevin. Naiditsch won the tournament 2 years ago ahead of Kramnik, Topalov, Leko, Svidler and Adams. I would not right him off.
Scott

Kevin Bonham
21-06-2007, 06:55 PM
Kevin. Naiditsch won the tournament 2 years ago ahead of Kramnik, Topalov, Leko, Svidler and Adams. I would not right him off.

:eek: I had forgotten that; there's probably a thread about it somewhere.

All the same, while no-one in such a field can be written off entirely, a surprise victory in a particular event doesn't make another surprise win in the same event much more likely in future.

Watto
22-06-2007, 10:46 AM
Come on, Igor - it's all relative. Note that nobody has backed Naiditsch or Gelfand to win, and only one has backed Carlsen. The three I mentioned are all in the bottom half of the seedings along with Alekseev.
Four of us have backed Carlsen now. :)
He’s still very much an improving player so I like his chances enough to back him. Wouldn’t put my house on it though.

btw, how did Intuition get to vote twice? :confused:

Garvinator
22-06-2007, 11:11 AM
btw, how did Intuition get to vote twice? :confused:
The first vote was his gut feel and the second was his sixth sense :whistle:

Intuition
22-06-2007, 02:49 PM
The first vote was his gut feel and the second was his sixth sense :whistle:

;)

Garvinator
23-06-2007, 01:02 PM
Round 1: Saturday, June 23, 15:00h Round 2: Sunday, June 24, 15:00h

Vladimir Kramnik Vishy Anand Vishy Anand Peter Leko
Boris Gelfand Evgeny Alekseev Arkadij Naiditsch Magnus Carlsen
Shak. Mamedyarov Arkadij Naiditsch Evgeny Alekseev Shak. Mamedyarov
Magnus Carlsen Peter Leko Vladimir Kramnik Boris Gelfand


Round 3: Tuesday, June 26, 15:00h Round 4: Wednesday, June 27, 15:00h

Boris Gelfand Vishy Anand Vishy Anand Arkadij Naiditsch
Shak. Mamedyarov Vladimir Kramnik Evgeny Alekseev Peter Leko
Magnus Carlsen Evgeny Alekseev Vladimir Kramnik Magnus Carlsen
Peter Leko Arkadij Naiditsch Boris Gelfand Shak. Mamedyarov

Round 5: Friday, June 29, 15:00h Round 6: Saturday, June 30, 15:00h

Shak. Mamedyarov Vishy Anand Vishy Anand Evgeny Alekseev
Magnus Carlsen Boris Gelfand Vladimir Kramnik Arkadij Naiditsch
Peter Leko Vladimir Kramnik Boris Gelfand Peter Leko
Arkadij Naiditsch Evgeny Alekseev Shak. Mamedyarov Magnus Carlsen

Round 7: Sunday, July 1, 13:00h

Magnus Carlsen Vishy Anand
Peter Leko Shak. Mamedyarov
Arkadij Naiditsch Boris Gelfand
Evgeny Alekseev Vladimir Kramnik

Kevin Bonham
23-06-2007, 01:14 PM
I see that Kramnik has recovered, at least to the point of playing.

Garvinator
23-06-2007, 01:21 PM
I see that Kramnik has recovered, at least to the point of playing.
and he gets an easy warm up first game :whistle:

Jesse Jager
23-06-2007, 02:19 PM
I find it interesting that Carlsen has polled considerably higher than Mamedyarov
:eek:. I certainly would not underestimate Mamedyarov's chances.

Kevin Bonham
23-06-2007, 03:57 PM
I suspect people are influenced by Carlsen's performance in the match with Aronian. That was a terrific match; it was a shame one of them had to be eliminated at that point.

Germany is 8 hours behind us so I believe games begin at 11 pm our time.

Garvinator
23-06-2007, 08:37 PM
Just found this from looking through the main website:


Live-Games Transmission starts at 3.15 pm local time (GMT+1) 15 Minutes after the beginning of the round.

http://www.sparkassen-chess-meeting.de/index.html

Kevin Bonham
23-06-2007, 08:46 PM
Playchess who are also broadcasting give no indication of a late start time. Wonder what the reason for the delay is - too many moves to keep up with? :eek:

Aaron Guthrie
23-06-2007, 08:49 PM
Playchess who are also broadcasting give no indication of a late start time. Wonder what the reason for the delay is - too many moves to keep up with? :eek:Kramnik mentions this as a cheating prevention method in one of the recent chessbase interviews I think (internet running to slowly for me to check that.)

Kevin Bonham
23-06-2007, 08:53 PM
So I wonder if that means the whole broadcasts runs 15 mins late or if they just don't start until 15 mins in.

Kevin Bonham
23-06-2007, 11:06 PM
Playchess also has the 15 min delays.

Garvinator
23-06-2007, 11:28 PM
Their off and running.

bergil
24-06-2007, 07:15 AM
Vladimir Kramnik 1/2-1/2 Vishy Anand
Boris Gelfand 1/2-1/2 Evgeny Alekseev
Shak. Mamedyarov 1-0 Arkadij Naiditsch
Magnus Carlsen 1/2-1/2 Peter Leko

Aaron Guthrie
24-06-2007, 11:28 PM
Here is the relevant section of the Kramnik interview explaining the 15 minute delay of the broadcast-

One thing which I like, which is what will happen in Dortmund, is that they will delay the Internet transmission by fifteen minutes. So it will be actually live for people, but just with a fifteen-minute delay. Let’s say if the game starts at two for them the game will start at two fifteen. Then it would go live. This fifteen minute – or maybe even half an hour – delay of each move makes it impossible to transmit moves [to accomplices working with computers]. At least it is something.http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3911

Kevin Bonham
24-06-2007, 11:31 PM
Yes, last night it was on delay the whole game - I know because the time scramble occurred at c. 3:15.

Garvinator
26-06-2007, 11:06 PM
Round 3 starts soon.

Garvinator
26-06-2007, 11:17 PM
and there off.

bergil
27-06-2007, 09:59 AM
and there off.
Boris Gelfand ˝-˝ Vishy Anand
Shak Mamedyarov ˝-˝ Vladimir Kramnik
Magnus Carlsen ˝-˝ Evgeny Alekseev
Peter Leko ˝-˝ Arkadij Naiditsch

Garvinator
30-06-2007, 03:09 PM
Big night tonight for the tournament leaders.


Round 6: Saturday, June 30, 15:00h

Vishy Anand Evgeny Alekseev
Vladimir Kramnik Arkadij Naiditsch
Boris Gelfand Peter Leko
Shak. Mamedyarov Magnus Carlsen

From my own tipping perspective, Mamed needs a win against Carlsen to have any hope of at least equal first.

Kevin Bonham
30-06-2007, 03:29 PM
From my own tipping perspective, Mamed needs a win against Carlsen to have any hope of at least equal first.

He started well enough but the loss to Alekseev put him back in his box right away.

It's a very drawish tournament (15/20 drawn so far) which plays into Kramnik's hands as he is quite good at winning tournaments with plus-one or plus-two scores but can struggle to rack up wins when it comes to chasing down a tearaway leader.

Igor_Goldenberg
01-07-2007, 10:09 AM
Vishy Anand ˝-˝ Evgeny Alekseev
Vladimir Kramnik 1-0 Arkadij Naiditsch
Boris Gelfand 0-1 Peter Leko
Shak. Mamedyarov ˝-˝ Magnus Carlsen

Kevin Bonham
01-07-2007, 11:13 PM
I didn't think Leko was actually going to win that at one point.

Kramnik-Naiditsch

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 dxc4 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Qa4 Nd7 7. Qxc4 Nb6
8. Qb5 a6 9. Qd3 e5 10. Nxe5 Nb4 11. Qd1 Qxd4 12. Qxd4 Nc2+ 13. Kd1 Nxd4
14. Be3 Nf5 15. Bxb6 cxb6 16. Nc3 Bc5 17. e3 O-O 18. Ke2 Re8 19. Nd3 Rb8
20. Rhc1 Be6 21. Bd5 Bd7 22. Ne4 Bf8 23. Rc7 Rbd8 24. Nc3 Nd4+ 25. Kd2 Be6
26. exd4 Bxd5 27. Nxd5 Rxd5 28. Rxb7 b5 29. a4 Rxd4 30. axb5 Red8 31. bxa6
Rxd3+ 32. Ke1 Re8+ 33. Kf1 Rdd8 34. a7 Ra8 35. b4 Re7 36. Rxe7 Bxe7 37. b5
Bc5 38. Rc1 Bd4 39. Rc4 Bxa7 40. Ra4 Rb8 41. Rxa7 Kf8 42. Ra5 Ke7 43. Ke2
Rb6 44. Kd3 Rd6+ 45. Kc4 Rd2 46. b6 Kd6 47. Rb5 Rc2+ 1-0

32...R3d4 33.a7 Rb4 is being claimed as a draw.

Can anyone tell me how white wins after 37...Bd8 ? Looks drawn to me.

Aaron Guthrie
01-07-2007, 11:31 PM
Can anyone tell me how white wins after 37...Bd8 ? Looks drawn to me.38.Rd1 with the same idea I guess, e.g. 38...Bb6 39.Rd6 and if 39...Bc7 then 40.b6! :)

Kevin Bonham
01-07-2007, 11:50 PM
38.Rd1 with the same idea I guess, e.g. 38...Bb6 39.Rd6 and if 39...Bc7 then 40.b6! :)

Black plays 38...Bc7 not ...Bb6.

Aaron Guthrie
02-07-2007, 12:01 AM
Black plays 38...Bc7 not ...Bb6.OK I thought Rc1 would end up being equivalent to the game but then Ba5 and I see no way to make progress. So I am out of ideas.