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Oepty
24-05-2004, 04:00 PM
This tournament has started with the first round completed. The biggest upset of the first round was Skripchenko's loss to Jackova. Skripchenko was playing as well as anybody in the field 12 months ago but seems to have hit a patch of bad form recently. Koneru, the top seed was lucky to beat Van De Merwe in the first game of their match. After slowly building up a advantage Koneru started to go astray and even gave Van De Merwe some winning chances in the game before Ven De Merwe erred and lost. My favourite for the event is Galliamova, with Lahno a very good chance of winning as well. I don't think Koneru has got a chance even thoguh she is top seed.
Internet coverage is at wwcc2004.fide.com (http://wwcc2004.fide.com)
Scott

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2004, 08:31 PM
Galliamova and Kosteniuk both lost game 1 round 2. If Kosteniuk can't win with Black FIDE will need to be finding itself a new tacky vice-world-champion pinup girl. :cool:

Garvinator
25-05-2004, 08:59 PM
Galliamova and Kosteniuk both lost game 1 round 2. If Kosteniuk can't win with Black FIDE will need to be finding itself a new tacky vice-world-champion pinup girl. :cool:
and kosteniuk lost on the white side of a pure sveshnikov too, im sure gareth will be happy ;) :eek:

Lucena
25-05-2004, 09:44 PM
and kosteniuk lost on the white side of a pure sveshnikov too, im sure gareth will be happy ;) :eek:
:eek: indeed... :doh: :mad: :evil:

Lucena
25-05-2004, 10:31 PM
Well I'm not going for Kosteniuk anyway. I'm rooting for Kosintseva - Tatiana that is. She plays almost all my openings! :clap: :owned:

Garvinator
25-05-2004, 11:03 PM
Well I'm not going for Kosteniuk anyway. I'm rooting for Kosintseva - Tatiana that is. She plays almost all my openings! :clap: :owned:
wouldnt be because she is rather good looking for an 18 year old girl ;) :lol:

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2004, 11:04 PM
Dare I say it, the live game feed's (http://wwcc2004.fide.com/games/game.asp?game=22) actually working quite well right at the moment on my computer.

Galliamova's position looks dreadful (move 25), a pawn down and under a lot of fire. I cannot see how she can hold it, let alone win.

There are some quite messy games going on and could be a few nice combos soon. Looking at the Zhao-Paehtz game I can't help thinking White's about to sac a large number of pieces for mate.

Garvinator
25-05-2004, 11:06 PM
Dare I say it, the live game feed's (http://wwcc2004.fide.com/games/game.asp?game=22) actually working quite well right at the moment on my computer.

Galliamova's position looks dreadful (move 25), a pawn down and under a lot of fire. I cannot see how she can hold it, let alone win.

There are some quite messy games going on and could be a few nice combos soon. Looking at the Zhao-Paehtz game I can't help thinking White's about to sac a large number of pieces for mate.
i usually watch on playchess so i can see the clocks as well, i cant find the clocks on fide's site :doh:

Garvinator
25-05-2004, 11:14 PM
Looking at the Zhao-Paehtz game I can't help thinking White's about to sac a large number of pieces for mate.
fritz 8 gives 0.0 only for zhao paehtz :eek:

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2004, 11:17 PM
Kosteniuk out!!! Perpetual check. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Garvinator
25-05-2004, 11:19 PM
Kosteniuk out!!! Perpetual check. :clap: :clap: :clap:
i get the feeling you are not an kosteniuk fan ;)

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2004, 11:23 PM
fritz 8 gives 0.0 only for zhao paehtz :eek:

Given that white's a pawn down, that probably means it sees a perpetual.

Does F8 ever give false perpetuals? F6 on infinite analysis will sometimes give a false reading of 0.0 if you repeat moves, even though there's no actual triple repetition coming.

Kevin Bonham
26-05-2004, 12:12 AM
Galliamova out too! :eek:

And your silicon pal was on the money, that Paehtz game just fizzed out totally.


i get the feeling you are not an kosteniuk fan ;)

And I get the feeling she'll lose a huge pile of fans just for losing that game. Or is she going to remerge as the FIDE Vice-vice-vice-vice-vice World Champion?

Nothing against her play, she's no better or worse than any of a few dozen others. And that's the issue. If you're (and I mean FIDE here) going to push a hyped-up glamour image of a strong female player for PR purposes, then at least make sure it's in some sort of proportion to her acheivements. Kosteniuk coming second in one of these squiddy little knockouts got her more media space than Judit Polgar has received for being an elite GM for a decade and in the process overturning all kinds of myths about women's capacity in chess. The KOs are fun to watch, but they don't sort the field very well.

Also I found all her posing much more tacky than glamorous or sexy. It seemed to be pitched to the sort of leering geezers who, out of all the games going on in the hall, always crowd around the one involving the pretty girl.

Bill Gletsos
26-05-2004, 12:54 AM
I see they finally fixed up the moves in the Kosintseva game and also in the Krush game. Prior to them correcting them, some of the moves were just rubbish.

Kevin Bonham
26-05-2004, 01:01 AM
Yes, I posted wondering why Kosintseva (T) was shown as 1-0 while dead lost on the board, and deleted the post after they fixed it. Actually that game got messed around with at least twice while I was watching.

Kevin Bonham
26-05-2004, 01:35 AM
Surprising save by Black in Danielian-Xu to go through to the next round from this position. 74.Bb5?? - 74.Kf3 still looks winning here. [EDIT: This claim is a rotten goose egg, see below]

66...Ne5 67.Be8 Kc7 68.Kc5 Nd3+ 69.Kd4 Nf4 70.a5 h5 71.Ke4 Ne2 72.Ke3 Nc1 73.b4 h4 74.Bb5 Na2 75.Kd4 Nxb4 76.Kc5 h3 77.Bf1 h2 78.Bg2 Nd3+ 79.Kb5 Nf2 80.a6 h1=Q

Lucena
26-05-2004, 10:54 AM
wouldnt be because she is rather good looking for an 18 year old girl ;) :lol:
I admit it hadn't escaped my attention. :D

Oepty
26-05-2004, 12:53 PM
My predictions on the BB of late have all turned out wrong. I guess I should give up, but I won't. Before the 2nd round I had a look at the players and my top five chances were, Galliamova, Lahno, Stefanova, Kosteniuk and Dzagnidze. Well two out, three to go. On Kosteniuk, she did just win the Womens European Championships and it was quite a strong field. I must though agree that she has been overhyped, there are plenty of strong young women players around.
My picks for this round are
Kosintseva, Dzagnidze, Chiburdanidze, Bojkovic, Lahno, Cmilyte, Stefanova and Xu. I will be happy with 6 of them being right.
Scott

Kevin Bonham
26-05-2004, 04:32 PM
I didn't realise the playoffs were on the same night. Matveeva gone as well now.

Don't know if the high casualty rate at the top end is a good reflection of the depth of women's chess or an indictment of the lack of serious GM-level talent. Perhaps a bit of both. It seems like there's no-one in this field who couldn't lose a short match to a 2300 on a bad day.

Oepty
26-05-2004, 05:49 PM
Kevin. I think it is more a question of the depth of the womens game. There are a lot of newer players, and alot of the lower rated players are younger and improving. Also the ratings of those just below the top are a bit more fluid than that of the men because if there rating has never reached 2500 they have a k of 15 not 10. Of the players in the second round I think Jackova would have been the only player never to have their rating over 2400 and her best is 2380. As to potential GMs well there is Lahno, Galliamova, Zhao Xue, both the Kosinteva's although Tatiana is more likely, Dzagnidze, Dronavalli Harika in this field.

Also I can't find a win after 74. Kf3 in the game above.
Scott

Bill Gletsos
26-05-2004, 06:12 PM
Actually their K is 15 if they have never reached 2400 not 2500. Once a player reachs 2400 their K becomes 10 and remains there even if their rating subsequently drops below 2400.

Kevin Bonham
26-05-2004, 07:04 PM
Also I can't find a win after 74. Kf3 in the game above.


Actually you're right. I had in mind 74...Nd3 75.b5 Ne5+ 76.Kf4 (or 76.Kg2) Nc4 77.a6 Kb6 78.Bc6 and White catches the Black pawn while keeping both pawns intact and immune from sacrifices. However I didn't look any further than that - Black can put K on a7 and hop her N between b6 and various white squares for a perfect blockade two pawns down. There are six white squares and the W K+B cannot patrol all of them so it is an obvious draw. :wall:

My apologies to Ms Danielian. :oops:

Oepty
27-05-2004, 10:20 AM
Actually their K is 15 if they have never reached 2400 not 2500. Once a player reachs 2400 their K becomes 10 and remains there even if their rating subsequently drops below 2400.

Okay Bill. I wasn't 100% sure and I knew you would correct me if I was wrong
Thanks
Scott

Bill Gletsos
28-05-2004, 12:53 AM
Well Koneru lost her first game in this Championship to Kosintseva in the 2nd game of round 3.
Being the top seed it will be interesting to now see how well Koneru handles the pressure of the tiebreaks for the first time.

Kevin Bonham
28-05-2004, 01:30 AM
Kosintseva, Dzagnidze, Chiburdanidze, Bojkovic, Lahno, Cmilyte, Stefanova and Xu. I will be happy with 6 of them being right.
Scott

You're 3/4 going into the playoffs: Dzagnidze, Chiburdanidzu and Xu through but Bojkovic out.

Kevin Bonham
28-05-2004, 01:36 AM
On this report (http://wwcc2004.fide.com/main.asp?id=476) Jana Jackova is wearing what looks to me like a rock band t-shirt of some kind. If so, anyone recognise it and able to name the band? Not a lot to go on but someone might know it.

Kevin Bonham
28-05-2004, 04:16 AM
The playoffs are entertaining but there are some biiiiiiig blunders happening. Just watched rd 3 tiebreak game 1, Cmilyte-Cramling. It was about even then White let a piece get pinned. Trying to get out of it her position got worse and worse until she had just about walked into a mating net ... then Black in a completely won position (...h5+, ...f6+, N fork picks up Q) just snatched off the bishop and allowed an obvious perpetual. As Garvin pointed out FIDE site doesn't have clocks (haven't got around to signing up to playchess yet) - I can only assume it was extreme time trouble.

Kevin Bonham
28-05-2004, 03:31 PM
Rd 4 pairings are:

Koneru, Humpy - Xu, Yuhua
Stefanova, Antoaneta - Dzagnidze, Nana
Chiburdanidze, Maia - Cmilyte, Viktorija
Kovalevskaya, Ekaterina - Kachiani-G., Ketino

Oepty
28-05-2004, 04:42 PM
Well I think I got my 6 out of 8, failing with 2 upset predictions. I predict Xu, Stefanova, Chiburdanidze and Kovalevskaya.

Kevin. You can perhaps half withdraw you apologies to Miss Danielian. She did miss a win on move 74. I believe 74. Bf7 wins. Blacks only option is 74... h3 when 75. b5 the move Fritz 7 recommends and 75 Kd2 the move I analysed both win.

Scott

Garvinator
28-05-2004, 04:48 PM
Kevin. You can perhaps half withdraw you apologies to Miss Danielian. She did miss a win on move 74. I believe 74. Bf7 wins. Blacks only option is 74... h3 when 75. b5 the move Fritz 7 recommends and 75 Kd2 the move I analysed both win.

Scott
i looked at this position and also let fritz 8 lose on it and fritz 8 came up with the same line as scott has mentioned and it couldnt find a save for black, more ideas needed.

Oepty
28-05-2004, 04:54 PM
There was some talk about future women GM's. I had a look at the FIDE website and they only have one GM norm listed there for a female which is for Lahno. This list is far from comprehensive.
Scott

Rincewind
28-05-2004, 05:09 PM
There was some talk about future women GM's. I had a look at the FIDE website and they only have one GM norm listed there for a female which is for Lahno. This list is far from comprehensive.

They could do what Sasha does and conveniently leave the W off their title whenever she can get away with it. In which case there are lots of women GMs. ;)

Kevin Bonham
28-05-2004, 06:05 PM
Kevin. You can perhaps half withdraw you apologies to Miss Danielian. She did miss a win on move 74. I believe 74. Bf7 wins. Blacks only option is 74... h3 when 75. b5 the move Fritz 7 recommends and 75 Kd2 the move I analysed both win.

Well done. 75.b5 looks like a sure win to me too and I assume 75.Kd2 wins in a similar way.

A cute study-like line is as follows:

74.Bf7 h3 75.b5 Kd6 76.a6 h2 77.Bd5! and what a dismal tale of woe we have before us. If she takes it and queens she then gets skewered losing her new queen. If she doesn't take it she can't queen but White can, and if she takes it and moves off the diagonal then she never gets to queen either. :rolleyes:

[edit: fix ridiculous gender mistakes :oops: ]

Kevin Bonham
29-05-2004, 09:56 PM
Games are now in progress - two QIs, a Tromp and an exchange Caro-Kann. Could be an interesting round because the higher seeds all have white. However the rating difference is quite small on all the boards.

Lucena
29-05-2004, 10:06 PM
Tatiana lost her match :doh: :( Oh well, Koneru's a very solid opponent.

Kevin Bonham
29-05-2004, 10:49 PM
Tatiana lost her match :doh: :( Oh well, Koneru's a very solid opponent.

I actually thought Tatiana was going to win the first playoff game, she seemed to have an advantage for a while. Then it all just slipped away at the end and finally the wheels fell off in a rather big way.

Bill Gletsos
30-05-2004, 12:06 AM
Cmilyte could have equalised against Chiburdanidze with 38.. Kg8 instead of her erroneous Kh8.

Kevin Bonham
30-05-2004, 12:32 AM
Cmilyte could have equalised against Chiburdanidze with 38.. Kg8 instead of her erroneous Kh8.

How so? I thought ...Kh8 looked bad but I still can't see how Black can save.

Kevin Bonham
30-05-2004, 12:38 AM
Yikes. Dzagnidze just made a truly enormous blunder and lost what was looking like a drawn ending on the spot. That is one of the worst endgame blunders by a quality player I have ever seen. Sad waste of a really interesting and close game too.

Bill Gletsos
30-05-2004, 12:44 AM
How so? I thought ...Kh8 looked bad but I still can't see how Black can save.
You are right it does not work.
I was getting the positions mixed up and had it with Whites Q mistakenly on b7 and not d7.

However after white played 37. Qc8+ black can play Bf8 and then it looks difficult for white to win.

Bill Gletsos
30-05-2004, 12:58 AM
Yikes. Dzagnidze just made a truly enormous blunder and lost what was looking like a drawn ending on the spot. That is one of the worst endgame blunders by a quality player I have ever seen. Sad waste of a really interesting and close game too.
True.
Stefanova would have made it easier for herself with 57. Kb4. Also Black needed to play 59. Kd8 intead of Kd7.
Blacks 63. Kc7 instead of Kb8 was horrible although I still think White can win it.

Kevin Bonham
30-05-2004, 12:59 AM
However after white played 37. Qc8+ black can play Bf8 and then it looks difficult for white to win.

Yes, the main line leads to a very strange knight ending where White is a pawn down but playing for a win because Black has to deal with the passed a-pawn. I have been looking at this and it looks drawn.

Kevin Bonham
30-05-2004, 01:18 AM
True.
Stefanova would have made it easier for herself with 57. Kb4. Also Black needed to play 59. Kd8 intead of Kd7.
Blacks 63. Kc7 instead of Kb8 was horrible although I still think White can win it.

A very interesting option was 48.Qe6 instead of 48.d5. I had a look at this while the game was going and kept getting positions where White would throw the knight and finish up with something like four pawns for it. [EDIT: This only draws, see below.]

I don't think White can win after 63...Kb8 instead of 63...Kc7??. The WN must drop back to stop the h-pawn, the BK cleans up the d-pawn, and then White can't force Black to give up the N for the a-pawn without the BK being in position to go after White's sole remaining pawn. In some lines Black will take the a-pawn first but White can still do nothing if the N is on d8 and king nearby. I've fiddled around with quite a few lines here but no wins yet.

Kevin Bonham
30-05-2004, 03:33 AM
Thought I'd put this in the Game Viewer as it's full of interesting bits and pieces. (I really like knight endings too.)

Stefanova-Dzagnidze

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.Nd2 c5 4.e3 Be7 5.Bxf6 Bxf6 6.c3 cxd4 7.exd4 0-0 8.Bd3 b6 9.Qe2 Bb7 10.Ngf3 d6 11.h4 Re8 12.0-0-0 Nd7 13.Ne4 Qc7 14.Nfg5 d5 15.Nxf6+ Nxf6 16.Rde1 a5 17.Rh3 a4 18.a3 h6 19.Nf3 Ne4 20.Kb1 Rac8 21.Ne5 f6 22.Ng6 Qf7 23.h5 Qc7 24.Re3 Qd6 25.Bc2 Bc6 26.f3 Ng5 27.g4 Rc7 28.Nh4 Rcc8 29.Qd3 Qd7 30.Qg6 Rcd8 31.Ng2 Qc7 32.Bf5 exf5 33.Rxe8+ Rxe8 34.Rxe8+ Bxe8 35.Qxe8+ Kh7 36.Qg6+ Kh8 37.Qxf5 Qc4 38.Ne3 Qe2 39.Nxd5 Qd1+ 40.Ka2 Nxf3 41.Ne3 Qe2 42.Qc8+ Kh7 43.Nf5 Qd1 44.Ne3 Qe2 45.Qe8 Nd2 46.Qg6+ Kh8 47.Qe8+ Kh7 48.d5 Qd3 49.Qg6+ Qxg6 50.hxg6+ Kxg6 51.c4 Kf7 52.b4 axb3+ 53.Kb2 f5 54.gxf5 h5 55.Kc3 Nf3 56.Kxb3 Ne5 57.c5 bxc5 58.a4 Ke7 59.a5 Kd7 60.Nc4 Nf7 61.a6 Kc8 62.d6 h4 63.d7+ Kc7 64.a7 Kb7 65.Nd6+ 1-0

The action really gets going after a long k-side buildup when White plays 32.Bf5 and Black, probably sick of the pressure, takes it.

On move 41, White misses an opportunity to get four pawns for a knight with 41.Qc8+ Kh7 42.Nxf6+ etc. The last pawn to go at the end of the series of checks is the b-pawn, which stops the perpetual. However I think Black draws by simply not moving anything but the king (carefully) until White moves a pawn or stops checking. As soon as this happens, Black plays ...Nd2 with threats on both b1 and b3.

On move 48, White has the Qe6 idea I mentioned above, but it's rubbish, it's even easier to draw against this time around, just ...Qe1 works fine. White can never get the pawns rolling far enough or break up the drawing net.

I thought 51.d6 would win. It ends up in a pawn race with three connected passed pawns each - as best I can tell White does not win.

56...Ne5 is a mistake. Black should play 56...h4 which draws. As Bill points out White should play 57.Kb4 after 56...Ne5. I believe that this just wins after 57...h4 58.Kb5 Kf6 59.a4! (the crucial move) h3 60.Nf1 Kxf5 61.Kxb6 Nxc4+ 62.Kc5 and White is just winning in every line I can find (though feel free to look for draws). If this is so then it looks like 57.c5 is a mistake too - and just how bad a mistake can be seen from the next note.

Instead of 58...Ke7 (another error), Black should play 58...h4! which completely snuffs out White's winning chances, eg 59.a5 h3 60.Nf1 Ke7 61.a6 Nd7! 62.Kc4 Kd6 63.Kb5 Nf6! (this is possible because if White queens, Nc7 is check) and Black may even be able to get a NP vs N ending, although it seems to be drawn.

On move 62, White misses Ka4 which wins rather easily as the white king gets in and helps a pawn through with mate to follow even if Black queens as well.

Finally on move 63, Black misses ...Kb8 which apparently draws.

So it looks like there were at least two missed wins for White before Black blundered and lost.

Feel free to shoot holes all over the above.

Kevin Bonham
31-05-2004, 12:16 AM
Koneru has a spare rook and is about to go into the semis barring any extremely freaky mishaps. All the others are off to playoffs after reversing yesterday's outcome - great mental fortitude by Dzagnidze to beat Stefanova after yesterday's disaster. :clap:

Kevin Bonham
31-05-2004, 12:51 PM
semi-final pairings

Kovalevskaya, Ekaterina - Koneru, Humpy
Stefanova, Antoaneta - Chiburdanidze, Maia

Oepty
31-05-2004, 02:11 PM
I had a look at the online database at chessbase and found that Koneru and Kovalevskaya have no games recorded there, which doesn't surprise me. More surprising is the fact there are only 4 games for Stefanova and Chiburdanidze, with Stefanova being white in all four. 3 draws and a win to Stefanova. Well my picks for the semi finals are Koneru and Stefanova.
Scott

Bill Gletsos
01-06-2004, 12:31 AM
Well Koneru missed a win with 41. Bd6.
Then Kovalevskaya played 42. Rd1 instead of the superior Ne2.
Koneru should have played 43. Rb2 . Her 44. Rg5 is just a blunder.
Kovalevskaya could easily win with 52. Rc3 or Rg3.

Kevin Bonham
01-06-2004, 03:53 AM
Well Koneru missed a win with 41. Bd6.
Then Kovalevskaya played 42. Rd1 instead of the superior Ne2.
Koneru should have played 43. Rb2 .

Or 43...Rxg3. Both leave Black clearly much better but it's borderline whether either is winning as White has a lot of drawing tricks Black must watch for (eg in 43...Rb2 line swap stuff off, sac N for P, draw with OCBs two pawns down).

Kevin Bonham
01-06-2004, 09:13 PM
Does this opening being played in the Chiburdanidze-Stefanova game actually have a name?

1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 c6 3.Bf4 Qb6.

JGB
01-06-2004, 09:46 PM
Does this opening being played in the Chiburdanidze-Stefanova game actually have a name?

1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 c6 3.Bf4 Qb6.

Im not sure of the name, but I played this in my last tournament with black (so it was reversed)and afterwards I was talking to GM Guzman and he said its pretty pathetic for black and Qb6 is good for white, he said that black needs to try and play the position as a gambit (the b pawn that is). All the positions resulting from our anaysis were not giving me confidence in playing 3...Bf5 anymore. Maybe the 'extra' move for white makes it better to play as white but in these Queen Pawn games I dont like putting my Bishop on f4 as white of f5 as black too early due to these early queen excurions on the queens side.

JGB
01-06-2004, 10:35 PM
by the way Guzman, released a few books lately, his book on the Farowitz(?) Gambit in the Budapest game is good read (if you like that sort of thing)

Kevin Bonham
01-06-2004, 10:49 PM
Maybe the 'extra' move for white makes it better to play as white but in these Queen Pawn games I dont like putting my Bishop on f4 as white of f5 as black too early due to these early queen excurions on the queens side.

I would probably enjoy playing the Black side of the current game, I'm quite a sucker for playing early Q-QN3 moves, had to actually tone down that tendency because I was doing it unsoundly too often.

Chessbase has 31 games (+13=10-8 for White) after 1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 c6 3.Bf4 (via various move orders) but most Blacks have played ...d5 or ...d6. Five games with ...Qb6 (+3=1-1 to White) including one Gelfand-Kramnik 1994 so it has had a high level outing.

I've never seen it before.

Move 30 at the moment and I reckon Black (Stefanova) is doing rather well.

Bill Gletsos
01-06-2004, 11:54 PM
Stefanova missed 43. c2 which is winning much easier than her 43. Qc4

JGB
01-06-2004, 11:58 PM
Black can't lose this one... (time to resign)

JGB
02-06-2004, 12:13 AM
...the past pawns lust to expand will determine this game.

Kevin Bonham
02-06-2004, 12:14 AM
Kovalevskaya could have resigned several moves before the end. I had an OCB ending like that playing against connected passed R+N pawns and lost it by force even though the pawns were even. Nasty.

Kevin Bonham
02-06-2004, 12:24 AM
It's over, Stefanova is through.

Kevin Bonham
02-06-2004, 04:31 AM
Kovalevskaya won the first tiebreak and drew the second so the final will be Stefanova vs Kovalevskaya, with a 4-game match to start with.

Oepty
02-06-2004, 10:21 AM
Well just when Koneru convinces me that I was wrong about her, she goes and loses.
As to the final I think Stefanova will win. Chessbase database has 8 games between the two players. Kovelavskaya has a positive record against Stefanova +3 =4 -1, but she has been white in five of the games, and won 3 of them.
I think Kovalevskaya scored a GM norm in the 2002 Aeroflot Open

Scott

Garvinator
02-06-2004, 10:58 AM
Well just when Koneru convinces me that I was wrong about her, she goes and loses.
As to the final I think Stefanova will win. Chessbase database has 8 games between the two players. Kovelavskaya has a positive record against Stefanova +3 =4 -1, but she has been white in five of the games, and won 3 of them.
I think Kovalevskaya scored a GM norm in the 2002 Aeroflot Open

Scott
so with this 'evidence' why are you backing stefanova then :uhoh:

Oepty
02-06-2004, 11:07 AM
I think Stefanova is the slightly better player. I don't think the head to head is too much of an indication because of the uneven number of whites.
Scott

Kevin Bonham
02-06-2004, 03:29 PM
Also head-to-head history is a surprisingly weak indicator for players with similar ratings, except in some rare cases.

It's been very difficult to know what to expect in these matches though, it seems like a very large number of the players are all around the same level, which is about what their ratings indicate.

Oepty
02-06-2004, 05:43 PM
Also with the head to head Stefanova's win was the last game the two played as far as I can tell. Generally the players who have reached the quater final matches and beyond have not played eacgh other much. It didn't look at the head to heads much before that but with the number of young players I suspect it would be the case in the early rounds.

Scott

Bill Gletsos
04-06-2004, 11:21 AM
Well Stefanova won the first game as Black.
Will be interesting to see if she can go 2 up with the White peices.

Kevin Bonham
04-06-2004, 05:17 PM
Game 1 was very lopsided, given the strengths of the players, I thought. White gave up a pawn for a very speculative attack (or was this simply a mistake?), Black beat it off quite easily and then crashed through on the q-side giving White no real chance to recover. I wonder if Kovalevskaya is a bit surprised about getting to the final and not handling the pressure too well, I suppose if she strikes back and wins tonight we'll know otherwise.

Trent Parker
04-06-2004, 08:16 PM
The second game is being relayed to FICS.... NOW!

Rincewind
04-06-2004, 08:21 PM
The second game is being relayed to FICS.... NOW!

I thought it wasn't suppose to start until 9. Is there daylight savings in effect where they are playing?

Trent Parker
04-06-2004, 08:35 PM
I thought it wasn't suppose to start until 9. Is there daylight savings in effect where they are playing?

Dont know. I just thought i would play some chess beforehand but then it was announced that it was starting. Interesting game though. Currently white to play on move 9

Kevin Bonham
04-06-2004, 08:49 PM
I thought it wasn't suppose to start until 9. Is there daylight savings in effect where they are playing?

The games have been consistently starting one hour earlier than you'd think so I assume their statement of GMT time difference must be wrong.

Bill Gletsos
05-06-2004, 12:35 AM
Stefanova has won the second game.
She only needs to draw the next game to win the title.

Garvinator
05-06-2004, 12:36 AM
Srefanova has won the second game.
She only needs to draw the next game to win the title.
seven move draw coming up game three :uhoh: :whistle: :hand:

Trent Parker
05-06-2004, 12:40 AM
seven move draw coming up game three :uhoh: :whistle: :hand:

I was going to say something to the same effect. :lol:

Kevin Bonham
05-06-2004, 01:25 AM
That one looked a bit one-way too, like Stefanova gradually outplayed her opponent from a fairly early stage, but I haven't put it through the computer yet so this comment may be rubbish.

Rincewind
05-06-2004, 02:20 AM
That one looked a bit one-way too, like Stefanova gradually outplayed her opponent from a fairly early stage, but I haven't put it through the computer yet so this comment may be rubbish.

You're eyes deceive you, Luke. Trust your instincts.

No, you're probably right. I saw the first few moves and the last couple. Stef seems to definitely outplay Kov in the endgame. When I picked up the game again she had the extra doubled b-pawn. After Rb4 I though it looked very drawish. However Stef seemed to play the last part delightly well. g4 was a nice move keeping Black's rook busy while the nice check one g6 before Rxg5 was just nice. A little tactic at the end to get rid of the minor pieces and with it the e pawn and Black was left scratching her head I think.

Only a draw required for Stef to take the tiara. Will we see a fight or has Kov had enough?

Bill Gletsos
06-06-2004, 12:20 AM
Stefanova draws the third game and is the new Womens Champion.
Kovelavskaya's endgame technique has been disappointing in the final.

Trent Parker
06-06-2004, 12:49 AM
Yeah, Quite disappointing. Kovelavskaya had an excellent position and blew it.