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Rincewind
12-05-2004, 07:39 PM
As threatened...

Cox - Kerr, 2002 (corr).

Analysis left to the reader any insights appreciated by the author. Motto: Beware the mighty Svesh!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6 6.N1c3 Nf6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3
b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 f5 11.Bd3 Be6 12.O-O Bxd5 13.exd5 Ne7 14.Nxb5 Bg7
15.Nc3 e4 16.Bc4 Ng6 17.Qh5 Bxc3 18.bxc3 Qf6 19.f4 O-O 20.Bb3 Rfc8 21.g4
Rxc3 22.Kh1 fxg4 23.Qxg4 Qh4 24.Rg1 Qxg4 25.Rxg4 f5 26.Rg5 Kg7 27.Rxf5 e3
28.Rg1 Re8 29.Rfg5 Kf6 30.R5g4 Kf5 31.Ba4 Re4 32.Bd7+ Kf6 33.Kg2 e2 34.Kf2
Rxc2 35.Re1 Nxf4 0-1

Reader from the other thread will notice this was in fact a Kalashnikov which transposed back into the Svesh. Perhaps I should have played 6.c4, but I was happy with previous Svesh outing and so was happy to transpose back to the mainline.

Garvinator
12-05-2004, 09:36 PM
should this be, how not to play against the svesh?

Rincewind
12-05-2004, 09:38 PM
should this be, how not to play against the svesh?

Picky, picky, picky. ;)

Garvinator
12-05-2004, 10:12 PM
Picky, picky, picky. ;)
sorry, wasnt meaning to be picky, i was wondering whose play im trying to improve?

Sutek
16-05-2004, 07:10 PM
If you want to see another good Svesh take a look at this :)
M.Martin (2454) v Steve Kerr
(Email) IECG 2001

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Nd5 Nxd5 8.exd5 Nb8 9. Be3 a6 10. Na3 Nd7 11. Qd2 Be7 12. Nc4 O-O 13. Be2 f5 14. f4 exf4 15. Bxf4 Nc5 16. O-O-O a5 17. Na3 Ne4 18. Qe1 Bd7 19. Rf1 Bf6 20. Nc4 Rc8 21.Be3 Re8 22. g3 b5 23. Nb6 Nc3 24. bxc3 Rxe3 25. Nxc8 Bxc3 26. Qf2 Re4 27. Rd3 Qxc8 28. Qf3 Bf6 29. Kd1 Qc4 30. Rb3 Qd4+ 31. Ke1 b4 32.Rd3 Qa1+ 33. Rd1 Qxa2 34. Qb3 Bb5 0-1

Lucena
16-05-2004, 11:10 PM
This is no good, no good at all :naughty: . I wan't to see some good games by WHITE here!

Rhubarb
17-05-2004, 01:57 AM
This is no good, no good at all :naughty: . I wan't to see some good games by WHITE here!

Perhaps then you'll have to convince Sutek, the No.1 email player in the world, to take up 1.e4.

Garvinator
17-05-2004, 02:38 AM
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8. Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 f5 11. c3 Bg7 12. exf5 Bxf5 13. Nc2 0-0 14. Nce3 Be6 15. Bd3 f5 16. 0-0 Ne7 17. Nxe7 Qxe7 18. Bxf5 Bxf5 19. Nxf5 Qe6 20. Ne3 Rac8 21. Qb3 Qf7 22. Rfd1 Rfd8 23. Qxf7 Kxf7 24. a4 bxa4 25. Rxa4 Rc6 26. Rb4 Rd7 27. c4 Rdc7 28. g3 Bh6 29. Nf5 Bf8 30. Rb8 Rxc4 31. Nxd6 Bxd6 32. Rxd6 R4c6 33. Rb6 Rxd6 34. Rxd6 Rb7 35. Rxa6 Rxb2 36. h4 Rc2 37. h5 Kg7 38. Re6 Rc5 39. Kg2 Kf7 40. Ra6 Kg7 41. f3 e4 42. h6 Kf7 43. fxe4 Rc3 44. Kf2 Rb3 45. g4 Rc3 46. g5 Rc5 47. Rf6 Ke7 48. Rf5 Rc3 49. Rf3 Rc4 50.Ke3 Rc5 51. Kf4 Rc6 52. Ra3 1-0

There you go Gareth a white win, dont ask for many more though :hand: i had to do quite a bit of searching for a white win, i could find quite a few black wins though :uhoh: :doh:

Sutek
17-05-2004, 06:42 AM
This is no good, no good at all :naughty: . I wan't to see some good games by WHITE here!

Hi Gareth, Greg

Well one way to rattle a Svesh player is to play the Rossolimo (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5!?)
This usually leads to a more quiet and positional struggle which is very unlike the main lines of the Svesh!
Here's an example against Japan's number one CC player Senior International Master Kiyotaka Sakai.
Sakai is not only an expert at the Sveshnikov but currently rated 2637 at ICCF.

Steve Kerr v K.Sakai (2637)
Email IECG 2004

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. d3 Bg7 6. h3 Nf6 7. Nc3 O-O 8.Be3 b6 9. Qd2 e5 10. Bh6 Qd6 11. O-O-O a5 12. Bxg7 Kxg7 13. Nh2 a4 14. f4 exf4 15. Nf3 Nh5 16. Rhe1 a3 17. b3 f6 18. e5 fxe5 19. Rxe5 Bf5 20. Rde1 Kg8 21. Na4 Rab8 22. Qc3 Nf6 23. Re7 h6 24. h4 h5 25. Ra7 Rfd8 26. Ree7 Rd7 27. Raxd7 Bxd7 28. Qe5 Qxe5 29. Nxe5 Be8 30. Nc3 Rd8 31. Ra7 Ng4 32. Nf3 Bf7 33. Rxa3 Ne3 34. Ra6 Rb8 35. Na4 Nxg2 36. Rxb6 Re8 37. Nxc5 Bd5 38. Ne4 Bxe4 39. dxe4 Nxh4 40. Nxh4 g5 41. Nf5 f3 42. Kd2 Rxe4 43. Rb8+ Kh7 44. Ng3 Rf4 45. Ke3 f2 46. Nf1 Rf7 47. Rc8 Rf6 48. a4 g4 49. a5 h4 50. a6 g3 51. a7 1-0

Lucena
17-05-2004, 02:08 PM
i had to do quite a bit of searching for a white win, i could find quite a few black wins though :uhoh: :doh:

well that's encouraging :(

Lucena
17-05-2004, 02:11 PM
Hi Gareth, Greg

Well one way to rattle a Svesh player is to play the Rossolimo (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5!?)
This usually leads to a more quiet and positional struggle which is very unlike the main lines of the Svesh!
Here's an example against Japan's number one CC player Senior International Master Kiyotaka Sakai.
Sakai is not only an expert at the Sveshnikov but currently rated 2637 at ICCF.

Steve Kerr v K.Sakai (2637)
Email IECG 2004

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. d3 Bg7 6. h3 Nf6 7. Nc3 O-O 8.Be3 b6 9. Qd2 e5 10. Bh6 Qd6 11. O-O-O a5 12. Bxg7 Kxg7 13. Nh2 a4 14. f4 exf4 15. Nf3 Nh5 16. Rhe1 a3 17. b3 f6 18. e5 fxe5 19. Rxe5 Bf5 20. Rde1 Kg8 21. Na4 Rab8 22. Qc3 Nf6 23. Re7 h6 24. h4 h5 25. Ra7 Rfd8 26. Ree7 Rd7 27. Raxd7 Bxd7 28. Qe5 Qxe5 29. Nxe5 Be8 30. Nc3 Rd8 31. Ra7 Ng4 32. Nf3 Bf7 33. Rxa3 Ne3 34. Ra6 Rb8 35. Na4 Nxg2 36. Rxb6 Re8 37. Nxc5 Bd5 38. Ne4 Bxe4 39. dxe4 Nxh4 40. Nxh4 g5 41. Nf5 f3 42. Kd2 Rxe4 43. Rb8+ Kh7 44. Ng3 Rf4 45. Ke3 f2 46. Nf1 Rf7 47. Rc8 Rf6 48. a4 g4 49. a5 h4 50. a6 g3 51. a7 1-0

That's some game! :clap:

Rincewind
17-05-2004, 02:21 PM
That's some game! :clap:

It is nice, isn't it. So "quite and positional"...

Sutek,

I assume by your intimate knowledge of the games of Steve Kerr, you are infact he. As you can tell, I still bear the scars from our game. ;)

Garvinator
17-05-2004, 03:10 PM
well that's encouraging :(
ok just to cheer you up gareth ;) :D

White Parligras
Black Milanovic

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8. Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 f5 11. Bd3 Be6 12. 0-0 Bg7 13. Qh5 h6 14. c3 0-0 15. Nc2 f4 16. a4 bxa4 17. Rxa4 a5 18. Rfa1 Rb8 19. b4 axb4 20. Ncxb4 Nxb4 21. cxb4 Bxd5 22. exd5 e4 23. Bxe4 Re8 24. Ra7 Qf6 25. f3 Rxb4 26. h3 Rb2 27. Kh1 Rbb8 28. Rc1 Re5 29. Qg4 Rd8 30. Rc8 Rxc8 31. Qxc8 Bf8 32. Ra8 Qe7 33. Kh2 Kg7 34. Bb1 Rg5 35. Qc2 Qe1 36. Qh7 Kf6 37. Qh8 Bg7 38. Qd8 Qe7 39. Qb6 Rxd5 40. Ba2 Rd1 41. Ra7 Qe1 42. Qb2 Kg6 43. Bxf7 Kf5 44. Qc2 1-0

Rincewind
17-05-2004, 07:22 PM
Here is a win for white over the Svesh with which to balance post 1. This game and one or two others like it, are what encouraged me to guide that fateful game vs Kerr towards the Svesh.

Cox - Manhood, 2001 (corr)

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 f5 11.Bd3 Be6 12.O-O f4 13.c4 Rg8 14.cxb5 Bh3 15.g3 Nd4 16.b6 Be7 17.Qa4+ Kf8 18.Rfc1 Nf3+ 19.Kh1 fxg3 20.fxg3 Bh4 21.Qd1 Bg4 22.Be2 Nxh2 23.Bxg4 Nxg4 24.Qf3 Bxg3 25.Qxg3 Ne3 26.Qh3 Ng4 27.Rf1 Rg7 28.Qh5 Rc8 29.Rf5 Qd7 30.Rg1 Qc6 31.Rxf7+ 1-0

Lucena
18-05-2004, 10:48 AM
Here is a win for white over the Svesh with which to balance post 1. This game and one or two others like it, are what encouraged me to guide that fateful game vs Kerr towards the Svesh.

Cox - Manhood, 2001 (corr)



Nice game. :clap: Was that really your opponent's name?

Rincewind
18-05-2004, 04:05 PM
Nice game. :clap: Was that really your opponent's name?

Thanks. Yep, both players' names have a similar "theme", you could say, :D

I played the white side of the Svesh against Clive Manhood a couple of times but this was my favourite. 21.Qd1 was for my money the move that made the game.

Lucena
18-05-2004, 10:08 PM
Thanks. Yep, both players' names have a similar "theme", you could say, :D


Yes, I was trying to work out a way to comment on that :D. I guess yours was bigger than his - I mean the attack, of course :uhoh: :D .

Garvinator
18-05-2004, 10:15 PM
Yes, I was trying to work out a way to comment on that :D. I guess yours was bigger than his - I mean the attack, of course :uhoh: :D .
i wanna know how he knows this :eek: :lol:

Lucena
18-05-2004, 10:46 PM
i wanna know how he knows this :eek: :lol:

Well it's fairly clear that after Rxf7 Qxg4 Ke8 Qg8+ Rf8 Qe6+ will force mate, so White's attack was stronger.

Garvinator
18-05-2004, 11:03 PM
Well it's fairly clear that after Rxf7 Qxg4 Ke8 Qg8+ Rf8 Qe6+ will force mate, so White's attack was stronger.
i was talking about the other implication ;)

Lucena
18-05-2004, 11:29 PM
i was talking about the other implication ;)

Oh that :idea:. Well I'm very pleased to tell you I have no knowledge whatsoever of Barry's genitalia :eek: :eek: . And I resent your implication mr gray :snooty: :D although I guess I was kind of asking for it :D

arosar
19-05-2004, 05:03 PM
Oh that :idea:. Well I'm very pleased to tell you I have no knowledge whatsoever of Barry's genitalia :eek: :eek: . And I resent your implication mr gray :snooty: :D although I guess I was kind of asking for it :D

Eeewwww....Yuck! Geez, Gareth . . . get a hold of yourself!

Btw, did you ever read Donner's rather paedophilic annotations in 'Sweet Little Thing'?

AR

Garvinator
27-05-2004, 08:47 PM
currently playing short- shirov, pure sveshinokov.