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Spiny Norman
13-04-2007, 09:02 AM
As currently named, "The 1337 Lounge" is a honey pot for all sorts of crap. Is there any particular reason it couldn't be renamed to something that doesn't have the 1337 moniker?

Rincewind
13-04-2007, 09:36 AM
As currently named, "The 1337 Lounge" is a honey pot for all sorts of crap. Is there any particular reason it couldn't be renamed to something that doesn't have the 1337 moniker?

I don't think the name has much to do with it. As an experiment we would try renaming it for a week and see if it makes any difference.

Aaron Guthrie
13-04-2007, 03:47 PM
As currently named, "The 1337 Lounge" is a honey pot for all sorts of crap. Is there any particular reason it couldn't be renamed to something that doesn't have the 1337 moniker?I presume you mean attract to the chesschat site. But it would be interesting if rather it just attracted the posts from the spammers that already were going to post on chesschat. In that case it might be an idea to create a new subforum (is that what it's called?) with an interesting name. I suggest the simple "teh pr0n bannana-lounge."

Desmond
13-04-2007, 03:59 PM
or, PEWPEWPEW WTF P@WND OWND N00B LOL LFG SIF PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER

Rincewind
13-04-2007, 04:34 PM
or, PEWPEWPEW WTF P@WND OWND N00B LOL LFG SIF PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER

You'll pay for that, especially the "purple monkey dishwasher" comment. ;)

Basil
13-04-2007, 04:44 PM
I'm glad you broke the ice, Barry. It takes quite a bit to slow me up, but that is exactly what Brian managed to do with his hitherto new-to-me offering.

Quality all 'round gents. Dare I say, 'keep it up!'

Spiny Norman
14-04-2007, 07:27 AM
I don't think the name has much to do with it.
I thought that it was the forum of choice for inane/spame "first posts" from many new users? I suspected that many of these new accounts are auto-registered by spam bots. If I'm wrong on those counts, feel free to ignore me!


As an experiment we would try renaming it for a week and see if it makes any difference.
I don't think that will make a difference at all in the short term. The URL will be in Google and other search engines by now, in the following format:

http://www.chesschat.org/forumdisplay.php?f=61

So renaming "1337" to "IT" or something else will take some time to have an effect. If you want an immediate effect, you could try creating a brand new forum with a new name, move all the threads from OLD to NEW, then delete the empty old forum ... at least then the "f=N" will be a new number which should confuse the search engines enough to protect the board a little more.

Rincewind
14-04-2007, 09:48 AM
I thought that it was the forum of choice for inane/spame "first posts" from many new users? I suspected that many of these new accounts are auto-registered by spam bots. If I'm wrong on those counts, feel free to ignore me!

Maybe a direct link is in a list of forums to spam somewhere. I thought they might have more sophisticated bots which look for the forum with the least activity or something.


I don't think that will make a difference at all in the short term. The URL will be in Google and other search engines by now, in the following format:

http://www.chesschat.org/forumdisplay.php?f=61

So renaming "1337" to "IT" or something else will take some time to have an effect. If you want an immediate effect, you could try creating a brand new forum with a new name, move all the threads from OLD to NEW, then delete the empty old forum ... at least then the "f=N" will be a new number which should confuse the search engines enough to protect the board a little more.

OK I've done this. The new forum id is 77. We'll see if that makes a difference. I'm cynically optimistic. :)

Spiny Norman
14-04-2007, 06:09 PM
Feel free to rename this thread too ... just to remove the 1337 bit ... I'm feeling paranoid! :eek:

Basil
14-04-2007, 06:30 PM
... I'm feeling paranoid! :eek:
Frosty, meet Axiom
Axiom, meet Frosty ;)

Aaron Guthrie
14-04-2007, 06:36 PM
Feel free to rename this thread too ... just to remove the 1337 bit ... I'm feeling paranoid! :eek:I think it'd be hilarious if spammers posted in this 31337 h4x0r thread.

ElevatorEscapee
14-04-2007, 08:15 PM
I vaugely recall suggesting something very similar to the mods/admins a once or twice. Thanks for trying the experiment Barry. :)

PS Manga, wanna buy some cheap Viagra? I've got some links for discount online pharmacies! :P

Aaron Guthrie
14-04-2007, 08:24 PM
I vaugely recall suggesting something very similar to the mods/admins a once or twice. Thanks for trying the experiment Barry. :)

PS Manga, wanna buy some cheap Viagra? I've got some links for discount online pharmacies! :PMy linguistic training has enabled me to detect that you are not a real spam-bot. If you were, you would have spelt "Viagra" differently- There are 600,426,974,379,824,381,952 ways to spell Viagra (http://www.cockeyed.com/lessons/viagra/viagra.html)

Bill Gletsos
14-04-2007, 08:58 PM
Even after the rename we are still getting spammers in the renamed forum.

Spiny Norman
15-04-2007, 07:12 AM
Even after the rename we are still getting spammers in the renamed forum.
What do you put this down to Bill? Do you think they are "real" people, or bots?

Over at Unwired's board, I took the rather ruthless step of banning every class-A size IP range (1-254.*.*.*) and then re-enabled access for those IP ranges that I identified as "Aussies" or existing legit posters. Would be happy to post the list here if anyone is interested. About once every couple of months I get an enquiry from people who've been knocked back by the filter, upon which I allow them in. On only one occasion has that resulted in a spammer getting through again, and in that situation I then re-blocked a number of class-B size networks from which the spammer originated. Spam at Unwired's board is virtually zero now.

Rincewind
15-04-2007, 09:09 AM
What do you put this down to Bill? Do you think they are "real" people, or bots?

I suspect there is bot software which is able to navigate the vBulletin system, register, find a forum based on mystic bot criteria and make postings. Whatever the criteria was which picked up The 1337 Lounge previously is still identifying General IT Discussion.


Over at Unwired's board, I took the rather ruthless step of banning every class-A size IP range (1-254.*.*.*) and then re-enabled access for those IP ranges that I identified as "Aussies" or existing legit posters. Would be happy to post the list here if anyone is interested. About once every couple of months I get an enquiry from people who've been knocked back by the filter, upon which I allow them in. On only one occasion has that resulted in a spammer getting through again, and in that situation I then re-blocked a number of class-B size networks from which the spammer originated. Spam at Unwired's board is virtually zero now.

I started to do this but when people got annoyed they emailed Karthick and he got annoyed and told me not to do it. My protocol was pretty simply.

If we get multiple spammers from a single IP address I ban that address.
If we get multiple spammers from a class C IP address I then ban that range.

I used to cascade up to class B and A but Karthick requested that I stop at C due to the complaints.

Basil
15-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Frosty, I did a similar thing with my board. Similar results. No spam.

Over the ensuing months I found (and met) a number of ppl who had tried to access the board but had been locked out. They didn't contact the admin (me). They just didn't do anything and kept rolling to the next board - a competitors, among others. Human nature.

From then on I maintained an IP register of offenders, but broadened the string 124.55.x.x wa locked out and so. I have quite a list! Spambots are now down to an acceptable level. Say 3 a day.

Spiny Norman
16-04-2007, 08:32 AM
FWIW, here's the list of what I allow:

10.*.*.* <-- private, non-routable
58.*.*.* <-- public, Bigpond ADSL users
-- rebanned 58.48-55.*.* (spammer from China)
59.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
60.*.*.* <-- public, Bigpond ADSL users
61.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
72.*.*.* <-- public, (one user request)
124.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
125.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
127.*.*.* <-- localhost
134.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
138.*.*.* <-- public, Bigpond users
143.*.*.* <-- public, Adelaide-based ISP
144.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
150.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
156.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
163.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
165.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
172.*.*.* <-- private, non-routable
192.*.*.* <-- private, non-routable
202.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
203.*.*.* <-- public, used by Unwired
210.*.*.* <-- public, some Australian ISPs
211.*.*.* <-- public (one user request)
218.*.*.* <-- public, used by Unwired
220.*.*.* <-- public, used by Unwired

Kevin Bonham
16-04-2007, 05:25 PM
The name of the Lounge has little or nothing to do with the spammer hits; rather, the forum gets spammers because it is a relatively inactive forum near the top of the page. Other forums I am on have exactly the same situation.

I'd prefer putting up with the spammers (work though it is) to missing out on genuine posters, even if the number missed out on was small. As Howard mentions, effort barriers to entry do cause some posters to simply not bother signing up.

Spiny Norman
16-04-2007, 06:05 PM
The name of the Lounge has little or nothing to do with the spammer hits; rather, the forum gets spammers because it is a relatively inactive forum near the top of the page. Other forums I am on have exactly the same situation.
Ah, I see, that makes sense. I wonder whether one could confuse the bots by putting a honey-pot forum near the top of the list and hiding it somehow in a 1x1 frame, or a hidden frame or later, or something weird like that. I don't know enough about HTML to know. Anyway, I guess my attempt to confusel them has been futile ... sorry for the distraction guys.

Basil
16-04-2007, 06:09 PM
Ah, I see, that makes sense. I wonder whether one could confuse the bots by putting a honey-pot forum near the top of the list and hiding it somehow in a 1x1 frame, or a hidden frame or later, or something weird like that. I don't know enough about HTML to know. Anyway, I guess my attempt to confusel them has been futile ... sorry for the distraction guys.
I'm tempted to say that I've just "wasted the last 20 minutes of my life" reading ways to defeat bots (refer Frosty's comment in *******s - oh you can't!) ;) , but instead pay:
1) 20 HCDs for confusel :P
2) 20 HCDs for a dastardly suggestion!

Kevin Bonham
16-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Ah, I see, that makes sense. I wonder whether one could confuse the bots by putting a honey-pot forum near the top of the list and hiding it somehow in a 1x1 frame, or a hidden frame or later, or something weird like that. I don't know enough about HTML to know. Anyway, I guess my attempt to confusel them has been futile ... sorry for the distraction guys.

A honeypot forum invisible to all users except mods and those with 0-1 posts would be the most effective solution in terms of cutting any annoyance spam causes to regular users. (The reason for 0-1 and not 0 is that spammers often check their post to make sure it has appeared.)

Rincewind
16-04-2007, 08:00 PM
Are we all happy for me to rename the forum back then?

Spiny Norman
16-04-2007, 08:02 PM
I have no objection, now that my speculative move has been refuted OTB. :)

Basil
16-04-2007, 08:06 PM
Are we all happy for me to rename the forum back then?
Are you proposing a travel back in time, or simply to name the forum 'Back Then'?

Sorry, Bill got me in the swing when he said 'Muster Doesn't Post Here' last night.

Aaron Guthrie
16-04-2007, 08:08 PM
Are you proposing a travel back in time, or simply to name the forum 'Back Then'?No no, now with what we know are we happy with the choice, back then, that was made to rename the forum temporally :)

Basil
16-04-2007, 08:10 PM
temporally :)
Yellow Card! Dreadful Punning! That's the worst I've seen for a long time :clap:
Take 20 HCDs (in today's money) :uhoh:

ElevatorEscapee
18-04-2007, 06:20 PM
Ah well, was worth a try if nothing else, thanks for trying out the renaming. :)

I like the idea of the 'honeypot' forum. :)

Aaron Guthrie
15-05-2007, 04:34 PM
Is "The Chum Bucket" new?

Rincewind
15-05-2007, 05:52 PM
Is "The Chum Bucket" new?

Actually it is old. It is the old 1337 lounge. It acts as the repository for deleted spam threads so that the rest of the board is not littered with them. It doesn;t make much difference to the regular members but the mods and admins still see the deleted threads.

If one of us forget to delete a spam thread and and just move it to the chum bucket then you will see it in the New Posts screen. But in general you wont see it.