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Garvinator
26-03-2007, 04:47 PM
All those who wish to play in the 2nd freestyle tournament, please reply here or by pm.

If there is sufficent interest, I will set up a freestyle tournament.

Desmond
26-03-2007, 05:44 PM
here or by pm.

Kevin Bonham
26-03-2007, 06:24 PM
Would like another crack sometime but can't start before around 8 May based on current commitments.

ElevatorEscapee
26-03-2007, 06:54 PM
Am pretty busy myself the moment Garv, so fear I must decline even though I would love to play. I wish you luck with running it and appreciate your efforts to put these correspondence tournaments together. :)

Would you please define "freestyle"? (I am sure you have defined it elsewhere, I just can't be bothered searching the site!)... but it might help others who also encounter it for the first time if you were to re-define it here in the original post. :)

Cheers,

~EE

PS (I am guessing freestyle is something to do about no restrictions on using books or computers... or something along similar lines).

Garvinator
26-03-2007, 06:57 PM
PS (I am guessing freestyle is something to do about no restrictions on using books or computers... or something along similar lines).Anything goes I think describes it best. Bring your best engines, books, even play as a team if you wish.

Garvinator
27-03-2007, 12:38 AM
Would like another crack sometime but can't start before around 8 May based on current commitments.
I dont think it will start for a couple of weeks at least. I would like to try and get more entrants than the first competition.

Already yourself and EE have stated that they could play if the competition doesnt start for a little while.

I want mangafranga and HD to play. How about it guys?

Basil
27-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Thanks GG. I am specifically, but most politely expressing DISinterest!

Thanks anyway
H

Aaron Guthrie
27-03-2007, 12:45 PM
Interested, but unsure. I'll have to think about it and figure out how much of my time it would take.

Tyson
27-03-2007, 04:47 PM
Hey, im interested. How long do these tournaments usually last, and how often would i have to make a move? (Just general estimates are fine, they dont have to be accurate)

Garvinator
27-03-2007, 05:19 PM
Hey, im interested. Good to see.
Please send me an email at garvingray@optusnet.com.au to tell me what your full name is please.


How long do these tournaments usually last, Quite a while, sometimes a few months for the final game to finish. Does not mean your commitment will be that long. If you make your moves quickly, your games will be over sooner.

and how often would i have to make a move? You must make one move per seven days in each of your remaining games.

Computer assistance is allowed. In fact, being a freestyle tournament, it is essential to be competitive in your games as everyone else will be using computer 'assistance'.

Garvinator
27-03-2007, 05:21 PM
If tournament becomes single round robin, players will be arranged in the draw according to order of confirmation of entry.

So far confirmed

ggrayggray
Boris

Garvinator
27-03-2007, 08:46 PM
If tournament becomes single round robin, players will be arranged in the draw according to order of confirmation of entry.

So far confirmed

ggrayggray
Boris
Tyson

Desmond
27-03-2007, 09:24 PM
Wouldn't say I'm confirmed so much as that I have expressed an interest. Apprearance fees and associated conditions are yet to be finalised. ;)

Garvinator
28-03-2007, 10:52 PM
Wouldn't say I'm confirmed so much as that I have expressed an interest. Apprearance fees and associated conditions are yet to be finalised. ;)
And what conditions are you after?

Garvinator
01-04-2007, 12:11 AM
Bump.

Zwischenzug
01-04-2007, 10:24 AM
If there is at least 4 entrants in this tourney, I play as well. So is Boris in or out?

Garvinator
01-04-2007, 01:32 PM
If there is at least 4 entrants in this tourney, I play as well. So is Boris in or out?

My first post in this thread was:


All those who wish to play in the 2nd freestyle tournament, please reply here or by pm.

If there is sufficent interest, I will set up a freestyle tournament.

Four entrants was the number I was thinking about. It would be much more appreciated Zwischenzug if you confirmed that you are in, with the knowledge that if there are less than four entrants, the tournament will be cancelled.

Unless I get a deluge (read 5 or so entries ;) ), we won't be starting until at least after SIO.

Zwischenzug
01-04-2007, 03:22 PM
Okay, I'll commit to entering. I'm in.

Garvinator
01-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Okay, I'll commit to entering. I'm in.
Thank you :clap:

Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug

Probables:

Boris
Kevin Bonham
Mangafranga

CameronD
01-04-2007, 08:46 PM
Please enter me into your tournament as well Garvin

Garvinator
01-04-2007, 08:50 PM
Please enter me into your tournament as well Garvin
CameronD,

Please send me an email at garvingray@optusnet.com.au so I know who you are. I will not reveal your identity on here.

WhiteElephant
01-04-2007, 09:04 PM
Why is revealing your identity a prerequisite of playing in this tournament?

Garvinator
01-04-2007, 09:18 PM
Why is revealing your identity a prerequisite of playing in this tournament?
I ask new posters on here to send me an email so I know that they are actually interested in playing (indicates intent).

Another factor is that I don't want to make decisions about formats ie Single round robin v Double round robin and then find out that one or more players are not going to play their games.

Garvinator
01-04-2007, 09:19 PM
Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug
CameronD

Probables:

Boris
Kevin Bonham
Mangafranga

Garvinator
17-04-2007, 09:06 PM
Time to get started with serious efforts to get this tournament going.

The current list of entries is:


Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug
CameronD

Probables:

Boris
Kevin Bonham
Mangafranga

If anyone else wants to play, please say so in this thread.

Kevin Bonham
17-04-2007, 09:29 PM
If the time limit is the usual (default after 7 days) then I can start on 29 April (or even notionally a few days earlier if absolutely necessary, although I won't make any moves until 29/4) but opponents should expect slow play from me (5 days or so between moves) until I clear some work commitments during the first week of May.

I'm a definite entry if the start date and time limit are suitable for these circumstances.

Garvinator
17-04-2007, 09:32 PM
If the time limit is the usual (default after 7 days) then I can start on 29 April (or even notionally a few days earlier if absolutely necessary, although I won't make any moves until 29/4) but opponents should expect slow play from me (5 days or so between moves) until I clear some work commitments during the first week of May.

I'm a definite entry if the start date and time limit are suitable for these circumstances.
In this case, I will do the draw on May 1st. Therefore, should I move you to the confirmed list Kevin?

Kevin Bonham
17-04-2007, 09:34 PM
In this case, I will do the draw on May 1st. Therefore, should I move you to the confirmed list Kevin?

Yep. Thanks.

Garvinator
17-04-2007, 10:23 PM
Latest list:


Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug
CameronD
Kevin Bonham

Probables:

Boris
Mangafranga

Aaron Guthrie
18-04-2007, 04:08 AM
When are you looking to start the tourney?

Garvinator
18-04-2007, 10:46 AM
When are you looking to start the tourney?
From post 27:


In this case, I will do the draw on May 1st

Aaron Guthrie
18-04-2007, 02:06 PM
From post 27::doh:
OK I'll play.

Garvinator
18-04-2007, 03:12 PM
Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug
CameronD
Kevin Bonham
Mangafranga

Probables:

Boris

Garvinator
18-04-2007, 03:13 PM
Is there anyone else interested in playing?

Bring anything you want, use your latest engine if you wish. It is all good.

Desmond
18-04-2007, 10:42 PM
Thanks, but I shall decline.

Garvinator
18-04-2007, 11:26 PM
Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug
CameronD
Kevin Bonham
Mangafranga

Garvinator
20-04-2007, 04:42 PM
Reminding everyone that entries are still being taken up until May 1st server time.

We have six players confirmed so far, still want more entries. If 9 or more confirmed entries are received, draw will be single round robin and seed number is based on order of entry.

CameronD
20-04-2007, 05:28 PM
I reserve last seed, so that I've got nothing to lose and all to gain :D

Garvinator
23-04-2007, 10:49 PM
I reserve last seed, so that I've got nothing to lose and all to gain :D
In round robin touraments, your seed number has nothing to do with your rating.

Garvinator
23-04-2007, 10:51 PM
Draw will be done May 1st. So far six confirmed entries.

I am still calling for expressions of interest from those who maybe considering playing but aren't sure.

If number of confirmed entries gets to 9, tournament will become a single round robin with seed number decided by order of entry.

CameronD
23-04-2007, 11:35 PM
In round robin touraments, your seed number has nothing to do with your rating.

Don't worry, you dont get the humor of it.

CameronD
24-04-2007, 11:26 AM
Hi

I'm going to have to withdraw as I feel that 10 game moves a week will be too much a time commitment for me, and I didn't think it would be that many and that a round would be played at a time.

Garvinator
24-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Confirmed entries:

ggrayggray
Tyson
Zwischenzug
Kevin Bonham
Mangafranga

Garvinator
28-04-2007, 02:23 AM
I dont think there will be anymore entries, so I will now post the games and everyone can get started.

Kevin Bonham
28-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Good luck to all my opponents again.

Kevin Bonham
02-05-2007, 09:52 PM
Is Tyson fully aware of what playing in the tournament entails? At this stage he has made one move in two of his games and none in the rest; does he realise he has to play 8 games at once?

Basil
02-05-2007, 09:55 PM
If it's Tyson Walker (from BCC) then all is normal. He perennially in time trouble! Perhaps a PM.

Desmond
02-05-2007, 09:58 PM
If it's Tyson Walker (from BCC) then all is normal. He perennially in time trouble! Perhaps a PM.He'd have to make a post for that. ;) Judging by the pic it is though.

Basil
02-05-2007, 10:01 PM
He'd have to make a post for that. ;) Judging by the pic it is though.
Hadn't seen that. Yup, that's Tyson awright. Perhaps Garvinator can have a word in his shell-like tomorrow night.

Kevin Bonham
02-05-2007, 10:03 PM
If it's Tyson Walker (from BCC) then all is normal. He perennially in time trouble! Perhaps a PM.

As his postcount is zero (posts in this section not counting) he has no PM rights here yet, so I raised it so Garvin could email him if needed.

Garvinator
02-05-2007, 10:39 PM
Obviously this situation has cleared and Tyson has made multiple moves in all his games.

Kevin Bonham
02-05-2007, 10:53 PM
Whoops! Hadn't checked again before I posted. Sorry.

Tyson
02-05-2007, 11:16 PM
I was positive i had made moves in all my games before the any of the posts on this page. I was a bit busy over the past couple of days but dont worry, ill be making my moves on a regular basis. :)

Garvinator
03-05-2007, 12:09 AM
:hmm: so it looks like I am in for a tame series of games-
1 black benoni, 1 black from's gambit, 1 Alekhine Chatard attack, a couple of white yugoslav dragons and a black sicilian schev keres attack.

Kevin Bonham
03-05-2007, 10:54 PM
I was positive i had made moves in all my games before the any of the posts on this page.

That's correct. I had a "new posts" page showing that hadn't been refreshed for several hours and confused it for a more recently refreshed one.

Kevin Bonham
03-05-2007, 11:55 PM
:hmm: so it looks like I am in for a tame series of games-
1 black benoni, 1 black from's gambit, 1 Alekhine Chatard attack, a couple of white yugoslav dragons and a black sicilian schev keres attack.

I've just played a TN on move five in one of mine. Bizarrely, one of the two previous games in the same position involved another Tasmanian.

Aaron Guthrie
04-05-2007, 12:40 AM
You missed the opportunity to say If Kxf2 :)

Zwischenzug
12-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Question, if it is 10 moves a week and I make 20 moves this week, does that mean I can spend next week making no moves?

Kevin Bonham
12-05-2007, 12:35 PM
I think the rule is you can't go more than seven days without a move in any one game or you forfeit that game.

I'm pretty relaxed about it if any of my opponents are very busy or away and want (slightly) longer at some stage, so long as they ask in advance.

Garvinator
12-05-2007, 01:13 PM
Question, if it is 10 moves a week and I make 20 moves this week, does that mean I can spend next week making no moves?
Hello Zwischenzug,

Each player has to make one move per week in each and every game, the week begins in each different game when your opponent makes their move.

Time in not accrued or added together. So if you make 5 moves in one day in a game, this does not mean you can spend five weeks on a move later on.

Kevin Bonham
20-05-2007, 09:03 PM
How's this for "topical"?

The position after mangafranga's 14.Qc1 against me has 11 games in Chessbase, many of them featuring super-GMs. All of them date from 2006-7 with four in April 2007! (The stats are +6=3-2 for white.)

Desmond
20-05-2007, 09:07 PM
Good opportunity to create some theory. :)

Garvinator
20-05-2007, 09:32 PM
How's this for "topical"?

The position after mangafranga's 14.Qc1 against me has 11 games in Chessbase, many of them featuring super-GMs. All of them date from 2006-7 with four in April 2007! (The stats are +6=3-2 for white.)
Next article in informator ;) Freestyle chess game played on chesschat ;) :whistle:

Kevin Bonham
20-05-2007, 10:55 PM
There must be lots of potentially theoretically useful games played that never get databased. Chance for one of us to anticipate the next brilliant "grandmaster novelty" perhaps. :D

Aaron Guthrie
20-05-2007, 11:01 PM
Chance for one of us to anticipate the next brilliant "grandmaster novelty" perhaps. :DTo anticipate in an actual game rather than our own private databases!

Kevin Bonham
20-05-2007, 11:09 PM
I may be a few days over move ...14.

Aaron Guthrie
20-05-2007, 11:12 PM
I may be a few days over move ...14.I was referring to other openings than this btw, oh painful memories.

Aaron Guthrie
25-05-2007, 05:23 PM
Thought I'd let people know that I am going to be taking my time over moves for the next 3 weeks.

Also, a stupid question about the time control. If someone posts a move on the 10th, for example, do I have until the end of the 16th or the end of the 17th or the end of 7 24 hour periods to make a move?

Garvinator
25-05-2007, 06:02 PM
Also, a stupid question about the time control. If someone posts a move on the 10th, for example, do I have until the end of the 16th or the end of the 17th or the end of 7 24 hour periods to make a move?
A very good example to illustrate the time control concept is here: http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=6272

KB posted his move at: 16-05-2007, 7:00 PM

This meant that Tyson had to reply by 23-05-2007, 7:00 PM

Tyson posted his reply move at 23-05-2007, 06:10 PM and now the game continues.

Aaron Guthrie
31-05-2007, 07:57 PM
Kevin-Tyson
1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bg5 h6 4.Bxf6 exf6 5.e3 c6 6.Bd3 Bd6 7.Nf3 0-0 8.Ne2 Re8 9.Qh5!!

A fairly liberal interpretation of Freestyle, assistance of Magically moving peices!! :)

Although I agree with the sentiment that Qh5 is always good! ;)

Kevin Bonham
31-05-2007, 08:10 PM
Yes, as noted on the thread I found a fabulous new way to make a clerical error, deciding to play Nd2 and saving that move in my file, but then typing Ne2.

Fortunately 8.Ne2 makes some sort of sense itself so my position is no more uninspired than it already was. :lol:

Zwischenzug
02-06-2007, 12:06 PM
Hi. In four weeks I will be going overseas to visit my relatives and I think I would be gone for about a month. Just thought that its important for other CC players to know. I'll be making my moves like usual till then.

Aaron Guthrie
02-06-2007, 10:40 PM
By my count Zwischenzug has overstepped the time limit in both of our games.

Kevin Bonham
03-06-2007, 01:45 AM
Hi. In four weeks I will be going overseas to visit my relatives and I think I would be gone for about a month. Just thought that its important for other CC players to know. I'll be making my moves like usual till then.

Happy for you to take as much timeout in our remaining game as you need for that purpose. (Though feel free to move from overseas if able and so inclined!)

Zwischenzug
03-06-2007, 10:10 AM
Good news. There has been a change in my travel plans. My little vacation starts on the 24th of next month and last for 2 weeks. I might be able to finish a few CC games before then.

Garvinator
03-06-2007, 09:45 PM
By my count Zwischenzug has overstepped the time limit in both of our games.
I believe he has done so in my two games as well. Can someone confirm this please?

Kevin Bonham
03-06-2007, 10:29 PM
I believe he has done so in my two games as well. Can someone confirm this please?

Strictly speaking this is so as he took seven days plus eighteen minutes in one game and seven days plus fourteen minutes in the other.

I wouldn't claim in that situation (this being such a low key event and all) but he has overstepped according to the standards explained.

Garvinator
03-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Strictly speaking this is so as he took seven days plus eighteen minutes in one game and seven days plus fourteen minutes in the other.
The time limit is seven days. I have awarded two wins to mangafranga when the amount of time over the seven days was less. So have to rule the same way in this case.

Aaron Guthrie
03-06-2007, 10:40 PM
And see this post for where it was clarified- http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=155587&postcount=69

Garvinator
11-06-2007, 10:10 PM
Strongly considering new rule starting next competition. If a player times out in half their games, they are withdrawn from the tournament and results annulled.

Zwischenzug
11-06-2007, 10:20 PM
Sorry about timing out in some of my games, I got a bit too lax with my time.

Aaron Guthrie
16-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Thought I'd let people know that I am going to be taking my time over moves for the next 3 weeks.But now that I have completed my B.A. with a major in philosophy I have heaps of time spare, har, har, har.

Kevin Bonham
26-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Is winning on time mandatory when the opponent times out?

I know in OTB chess at most time limits the arbiter must step in and call flagfall, but this is just an informal forum comp with not many players two of whom are struggling with the time limit for whatever reason - I'd be happy to give Tyson a chance to continue our game if he wants to (and the other one should he time out in that), provided that he moves within, say, another three days and that I also get the right to time out once without automatically losing.

Garvinator
26-06-2007, 11:12 PM
Is winning on time mandatory when the opponent times out?

I know in OTB chess at most time limits the arbiter must step in and call flagfall, but this is just an informal forum comp with not many players two of whom are struggling with the time limit for whatever reason - I'd be happy to give Tyson a chance to continue our game if he wants to (and the other one should he time out in that), provided that he moves within, say, another three days and that I also get the right to time out once without automatically losing.
Just so you know Kevin, have seen your request and will think about it. Will reply tomorrow.

Kevin Bonham
27-06-2007, 12:03 AM
Thanks - and I much appreciate the effort you put into running the comps (and doubtless your desire to not have them strung out too endlessly!)

Garvinator
27-06-2007, 01:16 AM
Thanks - and I much appreciate the effort you put into running the comps (and doubtless your desire to not have them strung out too endlessly!)
My current thinking is that the rules agreed to at the start of the tournament will stand.

The move rate is 1 move every seven days, that is not too onerous. Plus, if someone needs more time, they can pm or email me to notify of their 'difficulties' before they time out.

If both players wish to continue their 'timed out' games, they can transfer them to social games.

Will still think about this some more and reply officially tomorrow.

Tyson
28-06-2007, 11:38 AM
Sorry to everyone whoes games i've overstepped the time limit in. I've been on holidays since last week and after a tough semester of uni i guess i got preoccupied with everything i've been doing since.

Thanks Kevin for your generous offer to continue our games but i'll have to decline as i can see myself overstepping the limit again.

Kruupy
11-09-2007, 07:55 PM
Hi all,

I would like to try to play some correspondence....anyone up for a game?

Garvinator
11-09-2007, 11:24 PM
Hi all,

I would like to try to play some correspondence....anyone up for a game?
Hello Kruupy,

This is a special tournament thread, with one game still going in the tournament- myself v mangafranga.

Ahh ok, I see you have found the general section for corro games :)

Aaron Guthrie
16-09-2007, 09:35 AM
Just though I should let everyone that is still playing games in the tournament know that I am well aware how both the time control and the conditional moves work. Comments on the lack of conditional moves do not make any sense (as just because you know what move you will make, I do not necessarily know my reply, and even if I do it can still be not best to offer a conditional), nor do they encourage me to move any quicker or change my habits. I would recommend to every single one of my remaining opponents to only make such comments if they wish to slow the game down.

Aaron Guthrie
21-09-2007, 12:21 AM
Are we allowed to announce "mate in x", like they did in the old days? :D

Garvinator
21-09-2007, 12:59 AM
Are we allowed to announce "mate in x", like they did in the old days? :D
Ok, that clarifies matters. I wasnt sure if you had tablebases and if so, how far ahead :)

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2007, 11:22 AM
Congratulats to Mangafranga. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Aaron Guthrie
25-09-2007, 12:34 PM
Indeed, yay for me!

And yay to garvin for running it!

Aaron Guthrie
25-09-2007, 01:00 PM
Some thoughts on the tournament. Regarding the forfeiting on time that happened, I wasn't very impressed. I don't understand why it happened, there were a bunch of ways to avoid it.

1)secure the option of taking time off before the tournament began (I considered this, but decided to take another route).
2)Prepare moves ahead of time. This is what I did when essay time came around. To get 3 weeks off all I needed was to prepare 3 moves ahead.
3)Just make a quick choice of move, like you do in OTB time trouble (so about 1-2 minutes per game per week)
4)Ask during the tournament, but before one's time ran out for extra time (this would take all of 1 minute, and could cover all games)

Now, regarding how to play good freestyle, aside from the issues with strength of players and computers. I think a great thing to do is to be aware that one can get into a rhythm with the computer that can be harmful. So what I am thinking of here is just that you and the computer will end up only having certain ideas about the position, and can miss obvious things. And since the computer has different ideas to you, and gives you good reason to believe it (e.g. top 4 moves are +1, next best is 0.00, so you just stick to the top 4), this can give you assurance that you are covering everything, whereas in fact you are not.

So to combat this I suggest occasionally seeing what other engines think, if you have them, or other players. In one instance I showed the position I had against Kevin in the game where I was Black. After Bxh6 I showed the position to Scott. The computer and I thought Kevin was going to play 18.d4. Scott suggested he might just be trying to nick a pawn. When I had a look at this it didn't look as bad as I, and the computer, originally thought. Thus I played Qxf8 which works better against dc4 than my original plan of Kxf8 would have.

I also checked amongst my engines to see if any liked dc4. Only one did, fritz 7. Now from memory I already knew that Kevin has at least had once had Fritz 6. But from now on I occasionally checked with fritz 7 to see what ideas it had for the position. I didn't do this beforehand since I did not realize the large difference's engines have.

Garvinator
25-09-2007, 08:00 PM
I am certainly interested in running another freestyle tournament, with starting to get entries in a couple of weeks or so.

Aaron Guthrie
26-09-2007, 12:14 AM
I am certainly interested in running another freestyle tournament, with starting to get entries in a couple of weeks or so.I'll be taking a pass on this one.