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Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:41 AM
The ACF March 2007 rating lists have been sent to the State Rating Officers.

For the March 2007 rating period there were 109 Tournaments rated (57 Classic, 52 Rapid) and 7474 games of which 4580 were in the ACF Classic rating system and 2894 were in the ACF Rapid rating system.


Top Players
2621!! 11 NSW Rogers, Ian [GM]
2537!! 11 NSW Zhao, Zong-Yuan [IM]
2479! 0 NSW Wohl, Aleksander H [IM]
2469! 0 VIC Smerdon, David C [IM]
2467!! 20 VIC Johansen, Darryl K [GM]
2452! 6 NSW Lane, Gary W [IM]
2428!! 0 QLD Solomon, Stephen J [IM]
2422!! 7 NSW Bjelobrk, Igor [FM]
2397!! 0 QLD Froehlich, Peter [IM]
2375!! 17 NSW Xie, George [FM]
2368!! 22 VIC Goldenberg, Igor [FM]
2354! 0 SA Tao, Trevor
2345!! 6 VIC Sandler, Leonid [IM]
2332!! 0 NSW Canfell, Gregory J [FM]
2326!! 6 VIC West, Guy [IM]
2319! 0 NSW Reilly, Tim [FM]
2309!! 23 VIC Baron, Michael [FM]
2303!! 21 NSW Smirnov, Vladimir
2287! 0 NSW Drummond, Matthew
2283! 0 NSW Tan, Justin
2278!! 11 VIC Chow, Samuel
2258!! 7 NSW Rej, Tomek
2242!! 10 VIC Depasquale, Chris J [FM]
2242!! 4 WA Boyd, Tristan
2240!! 0 NSW Ayvazyan, Armen
2236! 0 QLD Humphrey, Jonathan [FM]
2234! 5 SA Obst, James
2230! 0 NSW Tindall, Brett [FM]
2227! 5 VIC Jordan, Bill [FM]
2227!! 11 VIC Rujevic, Mirko [IM]
2223!! 22 VIC Stojic, Dusan
2218! 7 NSW Flatow, A (Fred) [FM]
2208! 0 NSW Cook, Roger S
2196! 0 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WFM]
2192! 0 NSW Berezina - Feldman, Irina [IM]
2192! 5 WA Horstmann, Michael
2192!! 0 SA Zaric, Srboljub
2183! 0 NSW O'Chee, Kevin
2181! 0 NSW Bouchaaya, Tony
2178!! 32 VIC Wallis, Christopher
2173! 18 NSW Suttor, Vincent
2172! 6 NSW Scott, Ronald
2164!! 28 ACT Ikeda, Junta
2162!! 10 VIC Levi, Eddy L [FM]
2158!! 0 NSW Halpin, Patrick
2150! 0 NSW Ilic, Ilija
2149!! 28 ACT Wei, Michael
2143! 0 NSW Vojvodic, Branislev
2137!! 11 NSW Tredinnick, Malcolm
2135!! 18 NSW Broekhuyse, Paul
2135!! 25 VIC Pyke, Malcolm L
2133! 6 NSW Malik, Hani
2133! 0 WA Kurniawan, Stephanus
2126!! 16 VIC Dragicevic, Domagoj
2126! 0 VIC Booth, Stewart
2124!! 0 NSW Bird, Andrew
2122! 0 WA Barber, Haydn J [FM]
2118!! 7 NSW Wright, Neil S
2114! 0 NSW Koshnitsky, Ngan [WIM]
2112!! 18 NSW Morris, Michael

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:42 AM
Top Females
2196! 0 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WFM]
2192! 0 NSW Berezina - Feldman, Irina [IM]
2114! 0 NSW Koshnitsky, Ngan [WIM]
2110! 0 NSW Eriksson, Ingela
2075!! 7 NSW Moylan, Laura A [WIM]
2075! 0 NSW Dekic, Biljana [WIM]
1962!! 0 NSW Musaeva, Aina
1855! 0 NSW Lane, Nancy L [WIM]
1789!! 11 ACT Oliver, Shannon [WFM]
1761!! 6 WA Maris, Natalie A
1688!! 4 WA Payne, Sophie
1637!! 11 VIC Szuveges, Narelle S [WIM]
1612!! 32 QLD Jule, Alexandra
1589! 0 VIC Evins, Sally
1559!! 11 VIC Yu, Sally
1545!! 9 NSW Troshenkova, Irina
1543!! 31 ACT Guo, Emma
1536!! 22 QLD Kinder, Jessica
1503!! 0 TAS Martin, Janice
1492!! 19 QLD McGarity, Molly

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:43 AM
Top Under 20
2278!! 19 VIC Chow, Samuel
2234! 16 SA Obst, James
2223!! 17 VIC Stojic, Dusan
2183! 19 NSW O'Chee, Kevin
2178!! 16 VIC Wallis, Christopher
2173! 18 NSW Suttor, Vincent
2164!! 15 ACT Ikeda, Junta
2149!! 17 ACT Wei, Michael
2112!! 18 NSW Morris, Michael
2103!! 13 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
2065!! 19 NSW Hu, Jason
2065! 18 VIC Jager, Jesse
2057!! 18 ACT Oliver, Gareth
1995! 19 ACT Lattimore, Tor
1983! 16 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1981! 16 QLD Lazarus, Benjamin
1965! 19 SA Stevens, Tristan
1963!! 14 NSW Illingworth, Max
1942! 18 VIC Lindberg, Douglas
1916!! 12 VIC Morris, James

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:43 AM
Top Under 18
2234! 16 SA Obst, James
2223!! 17 VIC Stojic, Dusan
2178!! 16 VIC Wallis, Christopher
2164!! 15 ACT Ikeda, Junta
2149!! 17 ACT Wei, Michael
2103!! 13 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1983! 16 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1981! 16 QLD Lazarus, Benjamin
1963!! 14 NSW Illingworth, Max
1916!! 12 VIC Morris, James
1912!! 14 ACT Brown, Andrew
1909!! 16 WA Donaldson, Thomas
1836! 15 NSW Levin, Joshua
1831! 16 NSW Boyce, Jamie
1827!! 17 WA Haselgrove, Miles
1822! 17 WA Viswanath, Ganesh
1819!! 14 NSW Harris, Benjamin
1815! 13 NSW Xu, William
1811!! 12 VIC Schon, Eugene
1810! 15 NSW Tse, Jeffrey

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:44 AM
Top Under 16
2164!! 15 ACT Ikeda, Junta
2103!! 13 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1963!! 14 NSW Illingworth, Max
1916!! 12 VIC Morris, James
1912!! 14 ACT Brown, Andrew
1836! 15 NSW Levin, Joshua
1819!! 14 NSW Harris, Benjamin
1815! 13 NSW Xu, William
1811!! 12 VIC Schon, Eugene
1810! 15 NSW Tse, Jeffrey
1805! 14 NSW Wu, Edwin
1802! 14 WA Choong, Yita
1786!! 14 VIC Yu, Derek
1778! 15 ACT Hoang, Khoi
1774!! 11 ACT Yuan, Yi
1773! 15 NSW Hoving, Eliot
1760! 12 VIC Antolis, Cedric
1719! 14 SA Zulfic, Fedja
1708!! 13 VIC Vijayakumar, Rengan
1703!! 11 QLD Nakauchi, Gene

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:44 AM
Top Under 14
2103!! 13 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1916!! 12 VIC Morris, James
1815! 13 NSW Xu, William
1811!! 12 VIC Schon, Eugene
1774!! 11 ACT Yuan, Yi
1760! 12 VIC Antolis, Cedric
1708!! 13 VIC Vijayakumar, Rengan
1703!! 11 QLD Nakauchi, Gene
1690!! 13 VIC Tang, Jason
1622!! 13 VIC Buda, Alexander
1586!! 13 QLD Grigg, Sam
1581!! 13 VIC Dalton, Samuel
1559!! 12 VIC Yu, Sally
1557!! 13 QLD Lei, Yitao
1549!! 13 NSW Papp, Alexander
1543!! 11 ACT Guo, Emma
1509! 13 VIC Tambasco, Jean-Luc
1492!! 13 QLD McGarity, Molly
1475!! 12 ACT Xing, Edward
1467!! 12 ACT Chow, Justin

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:44 AM
Top Under 12
1774!! 11 ACT Yuan, Yi
1703!! 11 QLD Nakauchi, Gene
1543!! 11 ACT Guo, Emma
1429!! 10 QLD Stahnke, Alexander
1428! 11 VIC Liu, Nicholas
1395!! 10 VIC Matheson, Laurence
1383! 10 TAS Horton, Vincent
1346! 9 QLD Liu, Yi
1329!! 9 NSW Wang, Oscar
1279! 10 NSW Lau, Joshua
1269!! 11 ACT Li, James
1239! 9 WA Sam, Ryan
1169! 10 ACT Zhang, Taiyang
1137! 10 QLD van den Bergh, Lachlan
1136! 8 NSW Koh, Cedric
1130! 11 VIC Feng, Thomas
1097!! 10 ACT Setiabudi, Megan
1084! 10 NSW Perera, Pasan
1014! 9 VIC Ng, Isaac
1013! 10 QLD Chan, Keith

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:45 AM
Top Under 10
1346! 9 QLD Liu, Yi
1329!! 9 NSW Wang, Oscar
1239! 9 WA Sam, Ryan
1136! 8 NSW Koh, Cedric
1014! 9 VIC Ng, Isaac
943!! 9 ACT Zhang, Yijun
836! 9 NSW Zhang, Daniel
800! 9 NSW Shan, Caroline
799! 9 NSW Koh, Clarise
798!! 9 ACT Gupte, Niranjan

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:45 AM
Top Females Under 20
1612!! 17 QLD Jule, Alexandra
1559!! 12 VIC Yu, Sally
1543!! 11 ACT Guo, Emma
1536!! 15 QLD Kinder, Jessica
1492!! 13 QLD McGarity, Molly
1432!! 15 ACT Oliver, Tamzin L
1430!! 14 NSW Ng, Deborah
1411! 17 ACT Ikeda, Miona
1374!! 13 SA Eustace, Sophie
1329!! 15 ACT Chibnall, Alana
1316! 13 ACT Smith, Kayleigh
1248!! 14 NSW Behne-Smith, Sarah
1218!! 13 ACT Russell, Luthien
1097!! 10 ACT Setiabudi, Megan
994! 12 SA Knapp, Katrina
951! 14 ACT McGuirk, Savannah
893! 13 TAS Horton, Nina
885!! 12 QLD Kinder, Danielle
837! 12 ACT Khoo, Karen
824! 10 QLD Kanagarajah, Abbie

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:46 AM
Top Seniors
2227!! 60 VIC Rujevic, Mirko [IM]
2218! 69 NSW Flatow, A (Fred) [FM]
2192!! 66 SA Zaric, Srboljub
2143! 60 NSW Vojvodic, Branislev
2074! 63 NSW Capilitan, Romeo
2048! 61 NSW Wettstein, Marcus
2038!! 69 WA Partis, Michael T
2024! 68 NSW Ghenzer, Charles
2010! 62 NSW Degroen, Mark S
2005!! 66 WA Ellis, David
1985! 72 NSW Jens, Henk W
1954! 71 NSW Purdy, John S
1950!! 79 NSW Viner, Phillip J
1937! 60 NSW Chen, Yu-Shiun
1906! 70 NSW Hutchings, Frank P
1889!! 78 WA Leonhardt, Wolfgang
1885!! 62 QLD Lovejoy, David
1882! 68 NSW Benson, Lachlan
1857! 60 QLD Myers, John
1857!! 67 NSW Tulevski, Vasil G

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:46 AM
Top Improvers
1760 389 VIC Antolis, Cedric
1476 330 ACT Setiabudi, Allen
764 205 QLD Karibasic, Sabin
1825 161 VIC Ferris, Shaun
1269 153 ACT Li, James
1271 145 QLD Ng, Erich
1386 143 NSW Nguyen, Dominic
978 131 NSW Wan, Kinto
1153 125 NSW Kumar, Sanjesh
996 124 ACT Redpath, Nicholas
732 123 QLD Onoda, Tomotaka
1660 118 VIC Holden, Greg
1492 117 QLD McGarity, Molly
1144 114 NSW Graham, Jacob
1013 114 QLD Chan, Keith
1509 112 VIC Tambasco, Jean-Luc
1365 106 VIC Auimatagi, Joshua
1719 105 SA Zulfic, Fedja
1756 99 NSW Van Der Kolff, Michael
1247 99 QLD Eriksson, Caleb
1316 93 ACT Smith, Kayleigh
943 90 ACT Zhang, Yijun
1815 88 NSW Xu, William
1708 88 VIC Vijayakumar, Rengan
787 87 QLD Jack, Curtis
1415 85 WA Gilmetdinov, Edik
2112 82 NSW Morris, Michael
1234 80 VIC Watson, Jean
1407 80 QLD Barrett, Daniel J (Somerset)
1397 80 SA McPherson, Erick

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:47 AM
Busiest Players
1858 50 WA Vlietstra, Marc
1834 39 VIC Davis, Tony J
2103 35 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1835 34 ACT Ali, Mosaddeque
1886 32 VIC Voon, Richard
2178 32 VIC Wallis, Christopher
1612 32 QLD Jule, Alexandra
1847 32 WA Fedec, John
1774 31 ACT Yuan, Yi
1543 31 ACT Guo, Emma
1980 31 VIC Dizdarevic, Mehmedalija
1811 30 VIC Schon, Eugene
2065 29 NSW Hu, Jason
1915 29 VIC Raine, Marcus
1499 29 QLD Muller, Jonas
2149 28 ACT Wei, Michael
1798 28 ACT Guo-Yuthok, Sherab
2164 28 ACT Ikeda, Junta
1468 28 WA Garcia, Mat
1829 27 ACT Grcic, Milan
1912 27 ACT Brown, Andrew
1618 27 VIC Ghobrial, Adel
1916 27 VIC Morris, James
1476 26 ACT Setiabudi, Allen
1798 26 VIC Van Dijk, Devrim
1097 25 ACT Setiabudi, Megan
2135 25 VIC Pyke, Malcolm L
1457 25 VIC Gan, Zhong Hao
677 25 QLD Toda, Luke
1703 25 QLD Nakauchi, Gene
671 25 QLD Nakauchi, Kenji
764 25 QLD Karibasic, Sabin
1534 24 NSW Dickson, Ian C
1373 24 QLD Beilby, Kieton
1328 24 QLD Jule, Sebastian
787 24 QLD Jack, Curtis
1429 24 QLD Stahnke, Alexander
1714 24 WA Johnstone, Ray
1269 23 ACT Li, James
1925 23 NSW Mendes da Costa, Alex

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:47 AM
Category Players Percentage
2600..2699 1 0.04
2500..2599 1 0.08
2400..2499 7 0.36
2300..2399 11 0.81
2200..2299 21 1.66
2100..2199 38 3.20
2000..2099 78 6.36
1900..1999 80 9.60
1800..1899 144 15.44
1700..1799 198 23.46
1600..1699 226 32.62
1500..1599 224 41.69
1400..1499 245 51.62
1300..1399 221 60.58
1200..1299 194 68.44
1100..1199 128 73.62
1000..1099 107 77.96
900.. 999 115 82.62
800.. 899 82 85.94
700.. 799 81 89.22
600.. 699 55 91.45
500.. 599 58 93.80
400.. 499 65 96.43
300.. 399 34 97.81
200.. 299 26 98.87
100.. 199 28 100.00

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:48 AM
Normal Tournaments Rated
ACF
12/12/2006 18 6 2006 ASTC - Girls Secondary
12/12/2006 27 5 2006 ASTC - Open Secondary
06/01/2007 8 7 2006-07 Australian Seniors
26/01/2007 22 11 2007 Australian Juniors Under 12 Girls
26/01/2007 78 11 2007 Australian Juniors Under 12 Open
26/01/2007 25 11 2007 Australian Juniors Under 18 Girls
26/01/2007 85 11 2007 Australian Juniors Under 18 Open
06/01/2007 22 6 Australian Major 2006-07
31/12/2006 24 6 Australian Minor 2006-07
09/01/2007 58 11 Australian Open 2006-07
ACT
06/12/2006 12 7 2006 Charity Cup
27/11/2006 22 5 2006 Hetherington Memorial
03/12/2006 35 6 2006 Vikings Weekender
NSW
28/01/2007 62 7 Australia Day Weekend Tournament 2007
11/12/2006 18 9 Berger Cup 2006
04/12/2006 21 7 Canterbury 2006 Open
12/12/2006 13 13 Coffs Harbour Chess Club Championship 2006
05/12/2006 11 6 Gosford Championship 2006
18/12/2006 29 9 Manly Spring Tournament 2006
03/12/2006 20 5 NSW Country Teams 2006
28/02/2007 37 6 Newcastle Open 2007
30/01/2007 47 7 St. George Summer Open 2006-07
QLD
20/02/2007 15 6 2007 Redcliffe Summer Swiss
04/12/2006 18 8 Junior Masters T4 2006
04/12/2006 15 8 Super Junior Masters T4 2006
18/02/2007 66 6 Tin Cup 2007
SA
12/08/2006 11 7 Modbury Chess Club Championship 2006
01/09/2006 2 2 Modbury Chess Club Championship Playoff 2006
TAS
11/12/2006 14 13 HIJCC Championship 2006
28/01/2007 23 6 Launceston Australia Day Weekender 2007
VIC
23/12/2006 13 11 Australian Masters 2006
23/12/2006 10 9 Australian Masters Reserves 2006
15/12/2006 39 5 Box Hill Christmas Swiss
07/01/2007 74 6 Canterbury Summer Open 2007
19/12/2006 23 4 Canterbury Summer Swiss
06/12/2006 45 9 Dandenong Club Championship 2006
09/12/2006 7 7 Elwood Club Championship
12/12/2006 8 7 Hobsons Bay/Yarraville Club Championship
17/12/2006 8 7 Hobsons Bay/Yarraville Junior Club Championship
12/12/2006 12 7 Hobsons Bay/Yarraville Reserves Club Championship
28/01/2007 26 7 MCC Australia Day Weekender 2007
17/12/2006 26 5 MCC Christmas Swiss 2006
12/01/2007 12 11 MCC FIDE Invitational 2007
11/12/2006 6 5 MCC Fitzroy Open (Group 1)
11/12/2006 6 5 MCC Fitzroy Open (Group 2)
11/12/2006 5 5 MCC Fitzroy Open (Group 3)
11/12/2006 6 5 MCC Fitzroy Open (Group 4)
WA
07/12/2006 12 11 2006 Metro Respini B
07/12/2006 12 11 2006 Metro Respini C
07/12/2006 10 9 2006 Metro Respini D
03/12/2006 22 6 2006 Xmas Open
05/12/2006 14 7 City of Fremantle
10/10/2006 10 7 Fremantle Club Championship 2006
03/12/2006 47 6 Harris Edwardes Interclub
06/12/2006 8 7 Perth Club Best Results A
06/12/2006 8 7 Perth Club Best Results B
06/12/2006 6 5 Perth Club Best Results C

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:48 AM
Rapid Tournaments Rated
ACF
12/12/2006 55 5 2006 ASTC - Primary Sections
17/01/2007 132 7 2007 Australian Junior Rapid Championship
ACT
08/12/2006 34 11 2006 ACT Rapid Championship
NSW
19/02/2007 21 9 2007 Canterbury Rapid Play Championship
28/02/2007 27 9 Ryde Eastwood Rapid 2007
QLD
01/12/2006 14 5 fr011206adv
01/12/2006 10 5 fr011206int
17/11/2006 18 3 fr171106adv
17/11/2006 12 5 fr171106int
24/11/2006 11 4 fr241106adv
24/11/2006 10 4 fr241106int
04/12/2006 29 3 mon041206adv
04/12/2006 14 5 mon041206int
13/11/2006 22 4 mon131106adv
13/11/2006 14 4 mon131106int
20/11/2006 20 4 mon201106adv
20/11/2006 13 5 mon201106int
27/11/2006 14 5 mon271106adv
16/11/2006 19 3 th161106adv
16/11/2006 12 4 th161106int
23/11/2006 21 4 th231106adv
23/11/2006 13 4 th231106int
30/11/2006 21 4 th301106adv
30/11/2006 16 5 th301106int
07/12/2006 10 5 th71206int
14/11/2006 15 4 tue141106adv
14/11/2006 12 5 tue141106int
21/11/2006 17 4 tue211106adv
21/11/2006 11 4 tue211106int
05/12/2006 38 4 tue51206adv
15/11/2006 12 5 wed151106adv
15/11/2006 13 4 wed151106int
22/11/2006 8 4 wed221106adv
22/11/2006 15 4 wed221106int
27/11/2006 17 4 wed271106int
06/12/2006 8 4 wed61206adv
06/12/2006 16 4 wed61206int
SA
26/12/2006 56 7 Australian Allegro Chess Championship 2006
12/12/2006 11 6 December Rapid 2006
30/01/2007 20 5 January Allegro 2007
28/11/2006 13 5 Lidums Allegro 2006
TAS
16/12/2006 17 17 Burnie Allegro 2006
13/02/2007 9 9 HICC Rapid 2006-7
13/02/2007 9 9 HICC Rapid 2006-7
VIC
30/01/2007 17 5 Canterbury Allegro (January)
19/12/2006 36 6 Canterbury Junior Coaching Group Tournament (Term 4)
10/12/2006 34 7 Canterbury Rookies & Queens Cup (December)
11/02/2007 29 7 Canterbury Rookies & Queens Cup (February)
11/12/2006 16 8 DHC GWPS Championship (Term 4)
14/12/2006 14 7 DHC HPS Championship (Term 4)
02/12/2006 32 3 Dark Horse Teams Tournament #2 (Term 4)
16/12/2006 28 3 Dark Horse Teams Tournament #3 (Term 4)

Bill Gletsos
01-03-2007, 01:50 AM
Some regular BB posters ratings:

Ian Rogers - 11 2621!!
George Xie - 17 2375!!
Igor Goldenberg - 22 2368!!
Leonid Sandler - 6 2345!!
Greg Canfell - 0 2332!!
Guy West - 6 2326!!
Michael Baron - 23 2309!
drug - 21 2303!!
jeffrei - 0 2289?
Tristan Boyd - 4 2242!!
Brett Tindall - 0 2230!
Ronald Yu - 0 2182
Comrade Zukovsky - 6 2172!
macavity - 25 2135!!
paulb - 18 2135!!
D Dragicevic - 16 2126!!
Andrew Bird - 0 2124!!
Brian Jones - 7 2098!!
Gareth Charles - 0 2093!!
eremita - 12 2087!!
Laura Moylan - 7 2075!!
bobby1972 - 0 2066!!
Jason Hu - 29 2065!!
Lee Jones - 0 2034!
Goughfather - 0 2030!!
Jason Chan - 0 2015!
Kerry Stead - 6 2009!
Kevin Bonham - 0 2004!!
Chernz - 0 2004!!
firegoat7 - 0 1971!!
rob - 6 1941!!
pballard - 0 1907!
White Elephant - 0 1897
Boris - 10 1869!!
EZbeet - 0 1856!
Ian Rout - 6 1841!!
elevatorescapee - 0 1821
GeorgeL - 0 1798!!
Barry Cox - 0 1775!!
Shaun Press - 6 1774!
pax - 0 1764?
Amiel Rosario - 0 1761!
Belthaser - 0 1728
PhilD707 - 6 1693!!
David Richards - 0 1691
DavidFlude - 14 1681!!
The_Wise_Man - 0 1662!
Candy Cane - 6 1630
JGB - 7 1626
altecman - 1 1613!
Joshua Christensen - 6 1603!!
Dozy - 0 1597!!
starter - 6 1596!
skip - 0 1583?
Liberace - 0 1582!
heaviestknight - 3 1576!!
Frosty - 0 1566!
bergil - 6 1532!!
Phil Bourke - 0 1526!
Arrogant-One - 0 1518!
antichrist - 0 1515?
Howard Duggan - 0 1486!!
Trent Parker - 13 1483!!
Paul Sike - 7 1468!!
Scott Colliver - 0 1449?
themovingman - 11 1418!!
Careth - 15 1411!!
AES - 0 1354!
Garvin Gray - 0 1341!!
alana - 17 1329!!
EGOR - 6 1320!!
qpawn - 0 1275
PHAT - 6 1267!!
watto- 6 1234!
skaro - 6 1214
bunta - 6 1151?

Basil
01-03-2007, 02:28 AM
Thanks again, Bill ;) Especially in light of the fact that you weren't feeling the best.

MARON
01-03-2007, 06:51 AM
where are the other ratings besides the top lists?

Basil
01-03-2007, 07:47 AM
Hi Maron

This is a bulletin board; it is not the place to list 3,000 ratings. Bill has said that he has sent the ratings to state ratings officers, so they will be placed on the state websites.

I should imagine they will be placed on the ACF website in the next 24 hours or so.

Desmond
01-03-2007, 07:53 AM
Also Maron, if you tell Bill Gletsos who you are he might include you in the regular posters list.

Ian Rout
01-03-2007, 09:30 AM
For Canberra players, the ACT page (http://www.netspeed.com.au/ianandjan/IansPage/ratings/) has been updated with the March ratings.

Garrett
01-03-2007, 11:13 AM
Yes thanks Bill, you're a champ.

ER
01-03-2007, 09:15 PM
For Canberra players, the ACT page (http://www.netspeed.com.au/ianandjan/IansPage/ratings/) has been updated with the March ratings.

Nice work, excellent presentation!
Cheers and good luck!

Garvinator
02-03-2007, 03:46 PM
A list I would like to see presented each time is: Most Improved Adults

Gringo
02-03-2007, 04:35 PM
Also, Adults in Decline e.g Lloyd S Fell....

Vlad
03-03-2007, 03:37 PM
It is possible somebody has raised this issue before. Why do not the ACF ratings have some kind of floor? I find ratings below say 1000 quite meaningless.

The reason why I am asking is because my son got his first rating of about 300. Given that his junior rating should be at least 500-550 I can infer that his ACF rating should be at least 1000-1100. That means he is underrated by about 700-800 points. These are the points that he will take from others in the next few years (together with the points due to his actual improvement). Given that the majority of chess players in Australia are juniors, it is not surprising that there is such a huge deflation of ratings. So why not introduce a floor and if people perform below it just give them no rating?

Desmond
03-03-2007, 04:02 PM
It is possible somebody has raised this issue before. Why do not the ACF ratings have some kind of floor? I find ratings below say 1000 quite meaningless.

The reason why I am asking is because my son got his first rating of about 300. Given that his junior rating should be at least 500-550 I can infer that his ACF rating should be at least 1000-1100. That means he is underrated by about 700-800 points. These are the points that he will take from others in the next few years (together with the points due to his actual improvement). Given that the majority of chess players in Australia are juniors, it is not surprising that there is such a huge deflation of ratings. So why not introduce a floor and if people perform below it just give them no rating?If you don't rate bad results and you rate good results, would the system be fundamentally prone to inflation? For instance, if we are both rated 1000 and I beat you, should the result be rated for me and not for you?

Vlad
03-03-2007, 07:39 PM
Yes, it is. That is exactly why it is good. It will at least partially compensate huge deflation the system experiences.

Basil
03-03-2007, 08:08 PM
Vladimir, I'm no expert, and offer this as observation and supposition.


I find ratings below say 1000 quite meaningless.
That's not my experience. I regularly observe 600-1000 rated players playing against eachother. Results tend to go with ratings. This demonstrates to me that these ratings are accurate. The players are seniors. I have observed this over some years at the BCC. These players also play in weekenders (and therefore exposed to people outside their pool) and results are similar, too. I am happy to locate evidence if required.


... my son got his first rating of about 300. Given that his junior rating should be at least 500-550 I can infer that his ACF rating should be at least 1000-1100. hat means he is underrated by about 700-800 points.
I'm not sufficiently savvy to comment as to whether your inference as to his ACF is sound.


These are the points that he will take from others in the next few years (together with the points due to his actual improvement).
I don't think the points lost by others related to his improvement are relevant here (I think you're acknowledging this), and the points lost against others due to his being underrated is the question, which, to me hasn't been established with your inference. Am I missing some basic accepted fact?


Given that the majority of chess players in Australia are juniors, it is not surprising that there is such a huge deflation of ratings.
If there is a deflation in ratings (I don't know), I think your point is relevant to improving juniors again. In my mind, we haven't established that the ratings are meaningless.


So why not introduce a floor and if people perform below it just give them no rating?
I can only pass on that my observation is that the ratings in the 600-1000 belt are accurate. Without being facetious, I think we do have a ratings floor. It's approximately zero.

Kevin Bonham
03-03-2007, 08:20 PM
Yes, it is. That is exactly why it is good. It will at least partially compensate huge deflation the system experiences.

What deflation? Do you have empirical evidence of it?

By the way the ACF does have a ratings floor (100)

Vlad
03-03-2007, 08:56 PM
Well, just by looking at my new rating I can see that
a) After playing 21 games in the last ACF rating period I lost 11 points in the ACF rating.
b) After playing the same 21 games in the current FIDE rating period I am due to get 10 points in my FIDE rating.

Just by looking at a) and b) I conclude that the deflation in my case is 1 point per game. Of course Kevin will say that I am especially prone to deflation and I am not going to argue with him that 1 point per game is the universal rule for everybody. However, I think that claiming there is no deflation when everybody knows that there is one is quite rich even for Kevin.:)

P.S. I left New York two days ago and only landed in Moscow yesterday. I am still jetlagged and already have had a couple situations when I started talking to people in English.:) So I could be wrong as usual and Kevin as usual could be right.:)

Kevin Bonham
03-03-2007, 09:13 PM
Well, just by looking at my new rating I can see that
a) After playing 21 games in the last ACF rating period I lost 11 points in the ACF rating.
b) After playing the same 21 games in the current FIDE rating period I am due to get 10 points in my FIDE rating.

That doesn't prove anything. Some Australian players still have FIDE ratings way above their ACF as a result of FIDE's past ratings floors and policies for initial admission to the FIDE list. I suspect if I had your history of opponents played in the period I could show you where the difference really comes from!


However, I think that claiming there is no deflation when everybody knows that there is one is quite rich even for Kevin.:)

Everybody knows no such thing! All previous attempts to prove general deflation in the ACF's implementations of Glicko and Glicko-2 have been debunked.

Kevin Bonham
03-03-2007, 10:02 PM
drug, am I right that your two rated events were the Masters and the Open?

If so, your ratings of opponents in the Open were:

ACF (in order met) 1573, 1949, 2467, 1853, 1973, 2135, 2120, 1782, 1983, 2498.

FIDE (in same order) 1910, 2023, 2458, 1870, 2038, 2128, 2117, 2029, 2104, 2455

Your ratings of opponents in the Masters were:

ACF (in order met) 2394, 2370, 2072, 2179, 2183, 2058, 2433, 2263, 2467, 1996, 2381

FIDE (in same order) 2347, 2375, 2194, 2236, 2204, 2173, 2437, 2283, 2458, 2110, 2358

Your opponents' mean ACF rating is 2149. Their mean FIDE rating is 2205. But this is skewed by two cases where the FIDE exceeds the ACF by a large amount (Dickson and Ali). For the remaining 19 players the mean ACF rating is 2199 and the mean FIDE is 2230. For those who are above 2200 on at least one scale the mean ACF rating is 2363.5 and the mean FIDE rating is 2361.1.

While the sample size is small this is consistent with what the ACF has been aiming to do all along, which is maintain ACF-FIDE parity for those with ratings at the higher end of the scale. Below that many players continue to be overrated by FIDE compared with ACF, and the lower the ACF rating the more likely the FIDE rating is to be nonsense, for the reasons I already mentioned.

Also your ACF rating was higher than your FIDE rating at the time of these events!

Looks like the difference you mention has more to do with the past problems with the FIDE system than with the present ACF one!

Garvinator
03-03-2007, 11:08 PM
Ratings have been supplied from two different systems (Glicko2 and elo). Which best predicted the results from the supplied games of drug?

Kevin Bonham
04-03-2007, 04:26 AM
Hmmm. I had a go at working this out and got ELO as currently implemented by FIDE, including 350-point cutoff, predicting about 12.5 and Glicko predicting about 13.8 (actual score 13), but I could have made data entry errors. But if this is right, a possible reason that FIDE is closer in this specific case is that the FIDE-overrating of the weakest opponents inadvertently corrects the well-known problem that underdogs outscore their %age expectancy on the scales used by both systems. Most of drug's opponents were rated below him with just a few significantly above.

An issue with strong players who mainly play weaker opponents sometimes struggling to keep their ratings high was identified early in the process and resulted in Glicko being made less dynamic for players with high ACF ratings, to prevent excessive downwards corrections in cases like that. In this particular sample drug played mostly lower-rated players, and most of the higher-rated were only a little bit higher.

four four two
04-03-2007, 12:14 PM
Given that the majority of chess players in Australia are juniors, it is not surprising that there is such a huge deflation of ratings.

Majority of players juniors?...there has been an upsurge of junior players in the last 5 years but I seriously doubt they are the majority yet.

As for deflation,well the rating system has had a rating boost at least 3 times in the last 5 years... the last one being only a few months ago.

I would agree with you that some of the junior ratings are ridiculously low.
Can Kevin or Bill explain how badly someone has to perform to get a rating below 500. If someone is rated 480 is it really that hard to draw half a dozen games against someone rated 700? :hmm:

Denis_Jessop
04-03-2007, 02:20 PM
Majority of players juniors?...there has been an upsurge of junior players in the last 5 years but I seriously doubt they are the majority yet.

[snip]

I can speak only with knowledge of the ACT on this point. Here the "adult" chess clubs comprise a clear majority of juniors (roughly two thirds are juniors in the two biggest clubs). The number of players on the rating list may not reveal this but the number of active players does.

DJ

Kevin Bonham
04-03-2007, 04:11 PM
I would agree with you that some of the junior ratings are ridiculously low.
Can Kevin or Bill explain how badly someone has to perform to get a rating below 500. If someone is rated 480 is it really that hard to draw half a dozen games against someone rated 700? :hmm:

Someone rated 480 might draw some games against 700s, but not half a dozen in a row.

Looking at the Aus Junior U12 crosstable here (http://www.actjcl.org.au/ausjuniors2007/results/u12open/) can give you a fair idea of what happens with the under-500s. They rarely score points against other rated players, and also quite often lose to unrated players, who in turn rarely score anything against rated players over 500.

drug's son, mentioned above and now rated 298, had the following results in the Aus Junior:

Losses vs 611, 316, 621, 410, 422, 523
Win vs unr, unr, unr, unr, 333

Of course, some of those juniors may be underrated. I think that the experience of playing in the Aus Junior lifts the standard of players through the event so a player who performs at 300 in their first Aus Junior might be playing more like a 500 or 600 by the time the event ends. But there really is a big strength gap between the 700-rated juniors and the 400-rated juniors. A 700-rated junior really isn't that bad a player. They see opportunities to take opposing pieces, they reliably deliver basic mates, they rarely stalemate the opponent and they probably know as much theory as a lot of club adults.

I've run one junior tournament with unrated players where the best player was about 1200 strength. He got 13/14 playing mostly players who scored about 10, they in turn scored heavily against the midfield, who scored heavily against the modest tail-enders, and then there was someone who scored zero. People imagine that a few hundred points must be rock bottom, but it isn't. There are juniors out there whose actual playing strength really is about minus five hundred.

Bill Gletsos
04-03-2007, 04:23 PM
Majority of players juniors?...there has been an upsurge of junior players in the last 5 years but I seriously doubt they are the majority yet.Correct. Adults are the majority.


Rating period Adults Juniors
200603 773 362
200606 1048 323
200609 908 464
200612 796 375
200703 577 361

Bill Gletsos
07-04-2007, 12:20 AM
Following is an example (using just Tasmania) of a proposed change to the ACF active list showing active australia wide rank (excluding OS) and active state rank.

In the columns in the following list are:

1st column - rating
2nd column - rated games played this period
3rd column - active australia wide rank (excluding OS)
4th column - active state rank

*TCA
1065? 0 1848 56 Abbott, James
1178? 0 1717 51 Adams, John
2g 0 Akshan, Keenoo
234?? 0 2426 78 Barnes, Jake
1454 0 1141 34 Basic, Joseph
1484! 6 1069 32 Berzins, Paul J
1351 6 1378 38 Bettiol, Sante
1836? 0 319 6 Billam, Peter
1535! 0 946 28 Blaikie, John
2004!! 0 152 2 Bonham, Kevin
331? 3 2398 76 Briant, Harrison
1005 9 1913 59 Briant, James
703? 1 2193 64 Briant, Megan
386?? 0 2378 75 Brownrigg, Sam
2g 0 Butschek, Tristanan
3g 0 Carew, Daniel
472? 10 2329 73 Carew-McCulloch, Daniel
1713! 0 552 15 Chadwick, Charles
3g 0 Chatwin, Jacinta
Unr 0 Chilcott, Nick
1468 0 1110 33 Cohen, Scott
1055? 0 1856 57 Divkovic, Persa
1563? 0 878 23 Doblies, Werner
1693!! 6 586 17 Donnelly, Philip W
482? 5 2319 71 Dowden, Ben
2096! 6 81 1 Dowden, Tony
325?? 0 2400 77 Duniam-Douglas, Ethan
1637! 11 722 21 Dyer, Alastair
479? 0 2322 72 Dyer, Merran
1422 0 1218 35 Edwards, Chris
4g 0 Ferris, Joanna
999? 6 1920 60 Ferris, Mark
3g 0 Ferris, Stephen
3g 0 Fifield, Andrew
Unr 1 Flett, Andrew
619? 1 2236 69 Frame, Erin K
1774!! 0 436 10 Frame, Nigel
835? 2 2086 62 Frame, Zachary J
1272 0 1554 47 Frantzen, Winard
1310! 6 1477 45 Fry, Dallas
1714 0 548 14 George, Ross
1772! 0 441 11 Gibbs, Glen B
662? 5 2212 67 Gordon, James
1157! 6 1746 52 Hendrey, Kevin
1754! 6 471 13 Hendrey, Thomas
1298 6 1496 46 Hood, Justin
Unr 1 Horne, Michael
893! 10 2038 61 Horton, Nina
1311! 0 1473 44 Horton, Russell
1383! 11 1313 37 Horton, Vincent
Unr 3 Hunn, Nick
1551!! 0 907 25 Ivkovic, Milutin
623? 0 2232 68 Jolly, Jackson
1826! 0 340 7 Kacic, Tom
1323! 0 1446 43 Kennedy, John
2g 2 Kilpatrick, Rhys
Unr 1 Knight, Erica
3g 0 Kohli, Suneet
1179? 0 1714 50 Krushka, John
1332!! 0 1428 42 Kuzmic, Carey
1123! 0 1792 54 Kuzmic, Dylan
1503!! 0 1019 30 Ledger, R Neville
1653 0 679 20 Lee, Kam
1507!! 0 1004 29 Lewis, Nigel
1703! 0 570 16 Line, Martin
1917! 0 219 4 Lucas, Peter
1556? 0 896 24 Lucht, Michael
1503!! 0 1019 30 Martin, Janice
400?? 0 2373 74 McCullough, Aisling
3g 0 McNeair, Sam
1347? 0 1388 40 Menetrier, Paul
1540! 0 932 27 Midson, Michael
1144! 6 1761 53 Minol, Leo
Unr 0 Moores, Dylan
1548!! 0 913 26 O'Mara, John
1252! 0 1594 49 O'Mara, Noel
678?? 0 2204 65 Onfray, Robert
1799! 0 381 9 Pavicic, Mile
1675! 0 636 18 Radosavljevic, Dragan
580? 5 2267 70 Rezaie, Mushtagh
1817! 6 353 8 Rezaie, Ramin
1335!! 5 1419 41 Richards, Graham
1350? 10 1381 39 Rintoul, Max
1896 0 242 5 Rolph, Michael S
1763! 0 456 12 Saunders, Michael
1398 0 1275 36 Schmidt, Michael
1615? 0 767 22 Sheerwater, Henry
1009? 8 1906 58 Short, Owen
1675! 0 636 18 Slidziunas, John
1069 0 1843 55 Smith, Charlie
4g 0 Storey, Ben
4g 0 Storey, Tom
3g 0 Stride, David
1268! 6 1563 48 Sturges, Tony (Thelston)
3g 0 Taylor, Billy
Unr 0 Thain, Ella
Unr 0 Thain, Jem
2g 0 Tilsley, Thomas
1951 0 189 3 Todd, Andrew
785? 0 2130 63 Van Oorschot, Siebe
3g 0 Vaughan, Christopher
678? 0 2204 65 Watkins, Brad
2g 0 Williams, Tyler
Comments?

ER
07-04-2007, 02:55 AM
Following is an example (using just Tasmania) of a proposed change to the ACF active list showing active australia wide rank (excluding OS) and active state rank.
Comments?

Effective effort for improvement and top kudos. Would it be too much to ask for another column with an +/-(x)* ?
Cheers and good luck

(x)* = rating points gained or lost since previous rating period.

CameronD
07-04-2007, 03:05 AM
The RD in brackets would be sweet as well

Bill Gletsos
07-04-2007, 03:13 AM
The RD in brackets would be sweet as well:hand:

Bill Gletsos
07-04-2007, 03:15 AM
Effective effort for improvement and top kudos. Would it be too much to ask for another column with an +/-(x)* ?
Cheers and good luck

(x)* = rating points gained or lost since previous rating period.This has been discussed previously and it was deemed at the time that highlighting a players rating decrease wasnt a worthwhile exercise. ;)

ER
07-04-2007, 03:16 AM
This has been discussed previously and it was deemed at the time that highlighting a players rating decrease wasnt a worthwhile exercise. ;)

makes sense ty
Cheers and good luck!

Bill Gletsos
07-04-2007, 03:22 AM
makes sense ty
Cheers and good luck!Yes, thats why there is a Top Improvers list but not a Top Losers List. :whistle: :

Desmond
07-04-2007, 09:05 AM
Yes, thats why there is a Top Improvers list but not a Top Losers List. :whistle: ::lol:

I like having the ranking Bill. Good idea.

Kevin Bonham
09-04-2007, 12:46 AM
Comments?

I think this is a very good idea but depends on accurate state listings. (Will email you a list of some Tassie players who should be reallocated).

Spiny Norman
09-04-2007, 10:47 AM
... depends on accurate state listings.
Am curious ... is there a formal process for this? e.g. we have a guy now playing at Croydon Chess who is an ex-Tasmanian. When we import him from the master ACF SP file, he shows up as from TAS. Does he have to notify the ACF? Or do we? Or do we just ignore it?

Basil
09-04-2007, 10:48 AM
I would ignore most Tasmanians as a matter of best practice ;)

Oepty
09-04-2007, 02:40 PM
Am curious ... is there a formal process for this? e.g. we have a guy now playing at Croydon Chess who is an ex-Tasmanian. When we import him from the master ACF SP file, he shows up as from TAS. Does he have to notify the ACF? Or do we? Or do we just ignore it?

State ratings officers can do it by submitting the change when they submit the tournaments for rating at the next rating list. It might be worth checking they want to change lists though, they may see their current relocation as being temporary or something like that.
Scott

Bill Gletsos
09-04-2007, 09:17 PM
Now you can all thank Paul Broekhuyse for suggesting I add the players national ranking to the active list. :clap:

I figured if I was going to do that I might as well include their state ranking as well. ;)

Basil
09-04-2007, 09:37 PM
I'll second that.

Desmond
09-04-2007, 10:10 PM
How recently do you have to have been active to make the active list?

rob
12-04-2007, 02:33 PM
Following is an example (using just Tasmania) of a proposed change to the ACF active list showing active australia wide rank (excluding OS) and active state rank.

Comments?
What a great idea Bill, didn't someone previously provide the March 2005 state rank for all states & ACT?

Don't state rating officers already provide their members with the state rank for the current ratings plus their previous rank?

:)

ER
12-04-2007, 02:53 PM
is this new (very welcomed) improvement going to be included in the next rating list?
Cheers and good luck!