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Axiom
02-01-2007, 06:38 PM
1.d4 d6

Basil
02-01-2007, 08:51 PM
GL GG

Hmmm would you believe ...
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 ?

Axiom
02-01-2007, 11:18 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6

Basil
02-01-2007, 11:30 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4

I object to the 'O' in Trompo-mania :)

Axiom
02-01-2007, 11:34 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6


objection noted

Basil
02-01-2007, 11:40 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3

Basil
02-01-2007, 11:54 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5.Nf3

Basil
03-01-2007, 12:09 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3

Basil
03-01-2007, 12:17 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3

Basil
03-01-2007, 12:35 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4

Basil
03-01-2007, 12:59 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9.0-0

Basil
03-01-2007, 01:10 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9.0-0 e6 10.Nbd2

Axiom
03-01-2007, 01:18 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6

Basil
03-01-2007, 01:20 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1

Axiom
03-01-2007, 01:27 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5

Basil
03-01-2007, 01:34 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5

Basil
03-01-2007, 01:46 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4

Axiom
03-01-2007, 02:15 AM
better get some sleep!,...'till later today...

Basil
03-01-2007, 02:24 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4

Basil
03-01-2007, 02:42 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4

Basil
03-01-2007, 04:38 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4

Axiom
03-01-2007, 05:04 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2

Basil
03-01-2007, 05:18 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3

Basil
03-01-2007, 05:34 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1

Basil
03-01-2007, 05:48 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5

Axiom
03-01-2007, 05:52 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1

Basil
03-01-2007, 06:29 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1

Axiom
03-01-2007, 07:37 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7

Basil
03-01-2007, 09:10 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3

Axiom
03-01-2007, 09:25 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8

Basil
03-01-2007, 11:26 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+

Basil
03-01-2007, 11:46 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+

Axiom
03-01-2007, 11:52 PM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8

Basil
04-01-2007, 12:00 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8 24.Ng7+

Axiom
04-01-2007, 12:11 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8 24.Ng7+ Kf8

Basil
04-01-2007, 12:15 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8 24.Ng7+ Kf8 25.Qxh6

Axiom
04-01-2007, 12:59 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8 24.Ng7+ Kf8 25.Qxh6 Qc8

Basil
04-01-2007, 01:01 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8 24.Ng7+ Kf8 25.Qxh6 Qc8 26.f6

Axiom
04-01-2007, 01:16 AM
1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bf4 g6 4.e3 Bg7 5. Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nh5 7.c3 Nxf4 8.exf4 0-0 9. 0-0 e6 10.Nbd2 Nc6 11.Re1 e5 12.f5 g5 13.g4 exd4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.cxd4 Bxd4 16.Ne4 Bxb2 17.Ng3 Bxa1 18.Qxa1 Re8 19.Nh5 Rxe1 20.Qxe1 Bd7 21.Qc3 Kf8 22.Qg7+ Ke7 23.Qf6+ Ke8 24.Ng7+ Kf8 25.Qxh6 Qc8 26.f6 Resign 1-0 great win howard,..i thought i had done enough,and didnt believe you had that mating attack......devastated........tromp2-axiom 0:wall:

Basil
04-01-2007, 01:24 AM
Thanks Ax. I did enjoy that as one may imagine. Its a shame we've said what we've said on the shoutbox because my sentiments are more approprite here. Let me go and get them ;)

Before I do, I think d5 might have helped you at the very end. And certainly I had to get very busy with the initiative once the rooks were threated to be exchanged. I realised I just had to allow the swap and get going - fast. Nh5 was the key IMHO.

Axiom
04-01-2007, 01:28 AM
Thanks Ax. I did enjoy that one as one can imagine. Its a shame we've said what we've said on the shoutbox because my sentiments are more approprite here. Let me go and get them ;)

Before I do, I think d5 might have helped you at the very end. And certainly I had to get very busy with the initiative once the rooks were threated to be exchanged. I realised I just had to allow the swap and get going - fast. Nh5 was the key IMHO.
yes i dismissed nh5 far too readily.....was great move

Basil
04-01-2007, 01:30 AM
Howard Once it's all over ... I'll tell you how to beat the Tromp! Think of this as my service to the BB - so that real ratings points aren't chewed up.
Axiom: no dont tell me!...im sure next game i will get it right
Axiom: i came clsish this game
Axiom: closish
Axiom: ..its ok, im not drunk..
Axiom: what is your rating acf howard?
Axiom: i have always had problems against the tromp,both psychological and technical.......i played you ,to try to conquer my fears,........now im as mad as hell,and im not going to take it anymore!
Axiom: i vow to vanquish the tromp, i will not rest till it is wiped from the board
Howard Duggan: sorry. sstepped away and missed the tirade. now let's see... from the top
Howard Duggan: 1. you did come closish (i reckon you were better, technically)
Howard Duggan: 2) i do believ you are not drubk
Howard Duggan: 3) I'm sorry to say that my rating is well below what i imagine yours to be (i'm 1460 odd - previously 1600 odd)
Howard Duggan: 4) If I have learnt one thing about the Tromp is that it is a psychological nightmare against the 'right' opponent. I think that's one of the reasons why Rogers pulls it out
Howard Duggan: 5) I have no doubt whatsoever when you are finished, you will have sent me, The Tromp and my silly signature into the appropriate ether
Howard Duggan: It is worth bearing in mund that also that I think your abilities to calculate are far superior to mine and that my being able to move the pieces around in correspondence has helped
Axiom: thank god! i thought it was 1200 odd..., and were 1600, so ok, makes more sense
Axiom: well played again howard...look forward to trying to smash the tromp, in Part 3-Axiom Goes Trompo
Axiom: start later this evening?
Howard Duggan: of course - whenever you're ready. you could always soften me up with a quick beating by switching colours. but somehow i think a quick beating of the Tromp is fixed in your psyche!

Basil
04-01-2007, 01:36 AM
The thematic(ish) (your) dark squared bishop swap for my q-rook also played a major part IMO. Had you restrained yourself! and just kept the pawn advantage (and positional advantage from memory), I think you would have had a reasonably easy time of it.

Axiom
04-01-2007, 01:43 AM
The thematic(ish) (your) dark squared bishop swap for my q-rook also played a major part IMO. Had you restrained yourself! and just kept the pawn advantage (and positional advantage from memory), I think you would have had a reasonably easy time of it.
good point, ......i remember being reticent over Bxa1, but thought my king could survive!

Basil
04-01-2007, 02:33 AM
Ax - Analysed by Hiarcs 9.6.
- 30 seconds per move.
- The scores are from whites point of view.
- Analysis only set for black's moves. Obviously no analysis given where it likes your moves.

As I read it, Hiarcs loved your position and thought you were safe (just as you indicated) and didn't see the trouble coming. Perhaps this is a perfect example of human 'sight' advantage over computer. It appears that Hiarcs has you ahead on move 20 (+2.5), then agrees with your moves and then out of nowhere has you -5 at move 26 and it wants you to give up the bishop.

Before I get too carried away, I will analyse on a longer depth (1 minute from white).


[Date "2007.01.02"]
[White "Howard"]

[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A41"]

1. d4 d6 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bf4 g6 { [B]-0.09 3... Nf6 4. c4 g5 5. Bg3 Nc6 }
4. e3 Bg7 {[B]+0.44 4... Nf6 }
5. Nf3 Nf6 { +0.38 5... g5 6. Bg3 g4 7. Nfd2 Bf5 }
6. Bd3 Nh5 { +0.71 6... Nd5 7. O-O Nxf4 8. exf4 }
7. c3 Nxf4 8. exf4 O-O { +0.72 8... Bg4 9. h3 Bd7 10. Qb3 }
9. O-O e6 { +0.64 9... Be6 10. Nbd2 Nc6 11. Re1 }
10. Nbd2 Nc6 { +0.84 10... Qf6 11. g3 Bd7 12. Ne4 }
11. Re1 e5 { +0.52 11... Qf6 12. g3 Bd7 13. Ne4 }
12. f5 g5 { -0.72 12... Bxf5 13. Nc4 Qe7 14. Bxf5 gxf5 }
13. g4 exd4 14. Nxd4 Nxd4 15. cxd4 Bxd4 16. Ne4 Bxb2 17. Ng3 Bxa1
18. Qxa1 Re8 { -4.06 18... f6 19. Nh5 Kh8 }
19. Nh5 Rxe1+ 20. Qxe1 Bd7 { -2.57 20... Kf8 }
21. Qc3 Kf8 22. Qg7+ Ke7 23. Qf6+ Ke8 24. Ng7+ Kf8
25. Qxh6 Qc8 { +5.81 25... Bxf5 }
26. f6 *

Basil
04-01-2007, 02:45 AM
Ok. Different story. Sort of. I think I'm going to need a Kevin or a Bill or a Michael or a drug or an Igor! to interpret this as I am disappearing up my own tail pipe. I'm not used to analysis.

Scores still from white's point of view
Only analysing white
1 minute per move

1. d4 d6 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bf4 g6 4. e3 { +0.94 4. e4 g5 5. Be3 } Bg7
5. Nf3 { +0.64 5. Bc4 g5 6. Bg3 d5 7. Bd3 } Nf6
6. Bd3 { +0.67 6. Nc3 } Nh5
7. c3 Nxf4 8. exf4 O-O
9. O-O { +0.74 9. Nbd2 Be6 10. O-O Nc6 11. Re1 } e6
10. Nbd2 { +0.88 10.Qe2 } Nc6
11. Re1 { +0.80 11. Qe2 } e5
12. f5 { +1.08 12. d5 Ne7 13. fxe5 Nxd5} g5
13. g4 { +0.70 13. dxe5 Nxe5 14. Nxe5 dxe5 15. Nf3 Qd6 } exd4
14. Nxd4 { -1.20 14. cxd4 Nxd4 15. Nxd4 Bxd4 } Nxd4 15. cxd4 Bxd4
16. Ne4 { -1.30 16. Qb3 Qf6 17. Ne4 Qe5 18. Rac1 } Bxb2
17. Ng3 { -2.17 17. Rb1 Be5 18. Qf3 Re8 19. Bc4} Bxa1
18. Qxa1 Re8 19. Nh5 Rxe1+ 20. Qxe1 Bd7 21. Qc3 Kf8
22. Qg7+ { +0.45 22.Qh8 } Ke7
23. Qf6+ Ke8 24. Ng7+ Kf8 25. Qxh6 Qc8 26. f6 *

One thing I would like to confirm for the record is that this game was played without any assistance from any quarter beyond moving the pieces around the board. Probably no surprise as there are actually only a few pieces to consider towards the end. I think the real victory came with the 'sight' at around 17.Ng3 allowing the exchange sacrifice that a computer can't appreciate as well as a human.