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Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 09:55 PM
Who wants a game? I will be black.

Basil
22-12-2006, 10:03 PM
Hi Zwich GG
1.d4

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 10:03 PM
thanks...
1. d4 Nf6

Basil
22-12-2006, 10:06 PM
1.d4 Nf6
2.Bg5

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 10:15 PM
d5

Basil
22-12-2006, 10:18 PM
1.d4 Nf6
2.Bg5 d5
3.Nc3

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 10:32 PM
Bf5

Basil
22-12-2006, 10:35 PM
1.d4 Nf6
2.Bg5 d5
3.Nc3 Bf5
4.f3

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 10:44 PM
Nc6

Basil
22-12-2006, 10:59 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 11:08 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7

Basil
22-12-2006, 11:13 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 11:40 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6

Basil
22-12-2006, 11:46 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2

Zwischenzug
22-12-2006, 11:53 PM
Bg7

Basil
22-12-2006, 11:59 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 08:34 AM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0

Basil
23-12-2006, 10:39 AM
9.h4

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 10:47 AM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8

Basil
23-12-2006, 11:15 AM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 11:26 AM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4

Basil
23-12-2006, 11:45 AM
I think if we do too many pgns, it slows the page down for many users.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 11:53 AM
Okie dokie, less pgns then.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6

Basil
23-12-2006, 12:02 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 12:04 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4

Basil
23-12-2006, 02:28 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 02:29 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+

Basil
23-12-2006, 02:32 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 02:34 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5

Basil
23-12-2006, 02:37 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 02:38 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8

Basil
23-12-2006, 02:43 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 02:45 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4

Basil
23-12-2006, 02:48 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 02:54 PM
Sigh.... what a blunder I made earlier.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6

Basil
23-12-2006, 02:56 PM
Yes, certainly a miscalculation :(

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 02:58 PM
Oh well, play on...

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8

Basil
23-12-2006, 03:02 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 03:03 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4

Basil
23-12-2006, 03:09 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4 20.Ne4

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 03:16 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4 20.Ne4 fxh5

Basil
23-12-2006, 03:17 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4 20.Ne4 fxh5 21.Bxf8

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 03:20 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4 20.Ne4 gxh5 21.Bxf8 Rxf8

Basil
23-12-2006, 03:28 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4 20.Ne4 gxh5 21.Bxf8 Rxf8 22.Nxf6

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 03:32 PM
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.f3 Nc6 5.g4 Bd7 6.Bf4 g6 7.Bg2 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 9.h4 Qc8 10.h5 Bxg4 11.hxg6 fxg6 12.fxg4 Qxg4 13.Bh3 Qh4+ 14.Kd1 Nh5 15.Be6+ Kh8 16.Rxh4 Bxd4 17.Nf3 Bf6 18.Rxh5 Rad8 19.Bh6 d4 20.Ne4 gxh5 21.Bxf8 Rxf8 22.Nxf6 1-0

I resign. My first time against the Tromp and I think I did ok until I lost my queen. I would have been alright if I did 14....Qf2. I think if I didn't lose my queen I would have gotten compensation for my sac.

Care for another game Howard? I'll take white.

Basil
23-12-2006, 03:43 PM
I resign. My first time against the Tromp and I think I did ok until I lost my queen. I would have been alright if I did 14....Qf2. I think if I didn't lose my queen I would have gotten compensation for my sac.

Care for another game Howard? I'll take white.

Thanks for the game Zwis. I don't know about your sac - you certainly had something but I'm not sure it was enough (Queen loss or otherwise).

Sure I'll play another. I'll be a little while as I am tending my son - but set 'em up and I'll be into later on this afternoon. Thanks again - see you on the flip side.

Kevin Bonham
23-12-2006, 07:08 PM
I resign. My first time against the Tromp and I think I did ok until I lost my queen. I would have been alright if I did 14....Qf2. I think if I didn't lose my queen I would have gotten compensation for my sac.

No, if 14...Qf2 15.Nf3 threatening to win your queen causes you big problems especially as you are already a piece down. 15...Nxd4 would be best then but that leads to swaps which you cannot afford.

You should have played 14...Ng4! which draws after 15.Nf3 Nf2+ 16.Ke1 Nd3+ 17.Kd1 Nf2+ etc. (any deviation from this by either side appears unwise).

Howard could have avoided this risk with 13.Bf3, preventing ...Qh4+, instead of 13.Bh3. Had he done so you would not have had any compensation for the material.

Zwischenzug
23-12-2006, 07:49 PM
No, if 14...Qf2 15.Nf3 threatening to win your queen causes you big problems especially as you are already a piece down. 15...Nxd4 would be best then but that leads to swaps which you cannot afford.

You should have played 14...Ng4! which draws after 15.Nf3 Nf2+ 16.Ke1 Nd3+ 17.Kd1 Nf2+ etc. (any deviation from this by either side appears unwise).

Howard could have avoided this risk with 13.Bf3, preventing ...Qh4+, instead of 13.Bh3. Had he done so you would not have had any compensation for the material.

You are right, I was too focused on trying to make Rf1+ work at some point. Your idea lets me threaten a king and rook fork and the bishop will be pinned as the rook in sitting behind it.

Basil
23-12-2006, 11:25 PM
Howard could have avoided this risk with 13.Bf3, preventing ...Qh4+, instead of 13.Bh3. Had he done so you would not have had any compensation for the material.
Thanks for popping Kevin - certainly appreciated by the lesser lights [PS congrats on your 2000 - I haven'thad the chance to mention it anywhere else - now thinks rating thread :doh:] - anyway ...

Re: 13.Bf3/ Bh3. Yes, I only saw Z dropping a queen, my chess blindness diddn't see the Qh4+ escape at all - after all it was forced and only one square away!!! :doh: