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Zwischenzug
20-11-2006, 11:10 PM
Hi. I read somewhere that under 1500 players should play e4 openings to practice open tactical games. Suppose a complete beginner starts chess with d4 or c4. Will that player get sufficient practice in tactics compared to an e4 player? I am more of a c4 player and I wonder if it gives me equally as much tactical practice as e4.

Kevin Bonham
20-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Hi. I read somewhere that under 1500 players should play e4 openings to practice open tactical games. Suppose a complete beginner starts chess with d4 or c4. Will that player get sufficient practice in tactics compared to an e4 player? I am more of a c4 player and I wonder if it gives me equally as much tactical practice as e4.

What do you play as Black against 1.e4?

There are a range of views on all this. I reckon that when starting out players should play open games with one colour or other but not necessarily all the time. Whether that needs to extend up to 1500 rating I'm not sure of.

Many juniors have successfully improved while playing 1.c4, or systems with g3/Nf3.

Alan Shore
20-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Hi. I read somewhere that under 1500 players should play e4 openings to practice open tactical games. Suppose a complete beginner starts chess with d4 or c4. Will that player get sufficient practice in tactics compared to an e4 player? I am more of a c4 player and I wonder if it gives me equally as much tactical practice as e4.

Well the short answer is 'no, it won't' because there are generally far less opportunities for tactics in a c4/d4 opening, where pieces shuffle around slowly, build up, squeeze and only then maybe a tactic to break through. I play e4 because I enjoy the positions I get from playing it. Playing an opening you're comfortable with is the important thing - you can always play blitz or do puzzles if you want to improve tactics without playing e4.

Zwischenzug
20-11-2006, 11:41 PM
Well the short answer is 'no, it won't' because there are generally far less opportunities for tactics in a c4/d4 opening, where pieces shuffle around slowly, build up, squeeze and only then maybe a tactic to break through. I play e4 because I enjoy the positions I get from playing it. Playing an opening you're comfortable with is the important thing - you can always play blitz or do puzzles if you want to improve tactics without playing e4.

I would like to greatly improve my tactics and combinations but don't want to give up my beloved English opening. I used to play e4, but playing the white side of Giuoco Piano turned out to be too sharp for me, the Ruy Lopez stable but boring and some lines of the King's Gambit sometimes stops me from castling. I changed to c4 because I wanted a stable and different opening but also not over-analyzed. I also tend to like fianchetto games.

MichaelBaron
21-11-2006, 12:38 AM
Hi. I read somewhere that under 1500 players should play e4 openings to practice open tactical games. Suppose a complete beginner starts chess with d4 or c4. Will that player get sufficient practice in tactics compared to an e4 player? I am more of a c4 player and I wonder if it gives me equally as much tactical practice as e4.


Not true, some games after 1.e4 become terribly "boring" and positional ,while 1.d4/c4 can at times lead to wild games

Zwischenzug
21-11-2006, 08:02 AM
Not true, some games after 1.e4 become terribly "boring" and positional ,while 1.d4/c4 can at times lead to wild games

I would like to see a wild c4 game. Would you be able to post one, Michael?

Desmond
21-11-2006, 08:18 AM
I would like to see a wild c4 game. Would you be able to post one, Michael?When black imitates an Open Sicilian with reverse colours.

Kevin Bonham
21-11-2006, 11:14 AM
I would like to see a wild c4 game.

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1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.0-0 Nb6 7.d3 Be7 8.a3 0-0 9.Nc3 Be6 10.b4 a5 11.b5 Nd4 12.Rb1 Nd5 13.Na4 Nxf3+ 14.Bxf3 Qd7 15.d4 f6 16.dxe5 fxe5 17.Be4 Rab8 18.Qc2 Nf6 19.Rd1 Qe8 20.Bg2 Qh5 21.Qxc7 Ng4 22.h3 Nxf2 23.Qxe7 Qg6 24.Qxe6+ Qxe6 25.Bd5 Nxh3+ 26.Kh1 Rf1+ 27.Kh2 Rf2+ 1/2-1/2

MichaelBaron
21-11-2006, 11:54 AM
I would like to see a wild c4 game. Would you be able to post one, Michael?

Sure, I will....I already have a particular game in mine ;) so will prob do it tonight or may be even earlier.

Garrett
21-11-2006, 01:00 PM
Hi. I read somewhere that under 1500 players should play e4 openings to practice open tactical games. Suppose a complete beginner starts chess with d4 or c4. Will that player get sufficient practice in tactics compared to an e4 player? I am more of a c4 player and I wonder if it gives me equally as much tactical practice as e4.

It doesn't really matter.

You still only get to miss one significant tactic per game.

MichaelBaron
21-11-2006, 04:53 PM
Okie, 1.c4 "wild attacking game" is now available from my blog!;)

WhiteElephant
21-11-2006, 05:34 PM
Michael, I've been having a look at your blog and it's coming along very nicely. Complements ar's blog well - he focuses on chess news, and you are covering chess training, games, theory, etc.

MichaelBaron
21-11-2006, 11:15 PM
Michael, I've been having a look at your blog and it's coming along very nicely. Complements ar's blog well - he focuses on chess news, and you are covering chess training, games, theory, etc.
Thank you Thank you:cool:

Zwischenzug
26-11-2006, 05:08 PM
I am going to try switching to e4 for a while. Against 1...e5, which is good for practicing tactics, the Ruy Lopez or Guioco Piano?

Denis_Jessop
26-11-2006, 07:59 PM
I am going to try switching to e4 for a while. Against 1...e5, which is good for practicing tactics, the Ruy Lopez or Guioco Piano?

Tradition has it that the Giuoco Piano leads to a quiet game and that is the English translation of its Italian name. You will more probably get a tactical game if your opponent doesn't reply 1...e5 unless you want to play the King's Gambit. One problem with 1. e4 is that there are many replies, most of them analysed to great depth. Even when I began to study chess in the 1950s, the Ruy Lopez had been analysed in MCO to about move 30 in some lines.

DJ

MichaelBaron
26-11-2006, 08:28 PM
I am going to try switching to e4 for a while. Against 1...e5, which is good for practicing tactics, the Ruy Lopez or Guioco Piano?

Pls read my blog's entry about "good and bad openings" I answered it all :owned:

qpawn
01-12-2006, 09:17 PM
In general the ruylopez is better for learning the tactics that are built up gradually after the better position is already obtained.

IM_bob
29-01-2007, 09:27 PM
If you really want to play tactically with 1.e4 e5 on the white side, try variations of the scotch and danish gambit. That would be 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 dxc3 and either 5. Bc4 (danish) or 5. Nxc3 (scotch).

Of course as with other 'pure' sacrifice openings (morra, benko) you have to prepare a couple of lines for when and if your opponent doesn't accept the proffered pawn.

Oh and if your opponent deviates from these lines with 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nf6(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????) then may you play out another bland kramnik draw :rolleyes:. I'm sure there are sacs in the petroff defence though.

silidef
13-03-2007, 03:42 PM
also e4 is more fun ;)

Garvinator
13-03-2007, 03:56 PM
Oh and if your opponent deviates from these lines with 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 nf6(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????) then may you play out another bland kramnik draw :rolleyes:. I'm sure there are sacs in the petroff defence though.
Yes, cochrane gambit.

Capablanca-Fan
21-05-2007, 02:14 PM
Yes, cochrane gambit.
Best avoided as a regular opening; might catch someone as a surprise.