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fianchetto
07-10-2006, 01:27 AM
I was following the World Chess Championship Match from the official site, but found the complete and up to date game in
http://www.rootyhillchess.org/chesstheatre/WCCM/CT_wccm06.html
It's viewable in ChessTheatre with annotaton from GM Ernesto Inarkiev and GM Vladimir Belov. Though I enjoy viewing the game, just wondering, are the annotated PGN games from WCCM copyrighted?...

Desmond
07-10-2006, 08:22 AM
I do not think it possible to copyright a chessgame, otherwise we would have players "owning" the Sicilian Defence etc. Lengthy comments from GM's could be a different story though, especially if used without attribution (at least), or permission.

Denis_Jessop
07-10-2006, 08:59 PM
I do not think it possible to copyright a chessgame, otherwise we would have players "owning" the Sicilian Defence etc. Lengthy comments from GM's could be a different story though, especially if used without attribution (at least), or permission.

There was a great argument about this a few years ago when someone in FIDE wanted to provide for chess games to be coyrighted but it didn't come to anything - probably everyone realised the idea is ratty. But annotations or commentaries either by the players or anyone else are a different thing. As I understand it, they are subject to copyright, though I'm not an expert in this area.

DJ

Dozy
08-10-2006, 07:55 AM
Even from a layman's POV what Denis says appears obvious (and he didn't even have to say it three times!) My understanding is that copyright on the annotations, like any other text, belongs to the author.

I was also worried about the problem of copyright and have been trying to get a response on it from our webmaster. I don't know where he obtained the games but if I can't clarify the copyright problem in a day or two I'll edit out the annotations myself.

The games I've been using in my report on the match come via www.chessgames.com. Being unannotated moves they are, as Denis points out, free of copyright.

As a stop-gap I've removed the link between chesstheatre.html and the World Championship games. They're available on many other sites and if anybody doesn't know how to locate them you could try http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesslive for live games or http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=52037 for commentary and downloads.

Dozy
08-10-2006, 09:39 PM
OK, we've put the games back on line without the annotations.

Because of the source it seems likely that there would have been no problem with copyright (the official site offers downloads either with or without the annotations) but to err on the safe side we've deleted the annotations.

Denis & Fianchetto: Thanks for the input.

fianchetto
08-10-2006, 10:48 PM
I thought rootyhillchess completely removed the Topalov-Kramnik Match - it was suddenly not available in http://www.rootyhillchess.org/chesstheatre.html since I mentioned the copyright... I viewed the game on your site because, the official site do not make the latest game available on Chesstheate on time. I have no idea, why the www.worldchess2006.com delayed the publication until the start of the next game. As an example Game 8 on 5th Oct was published on ChessTheatre on 7th Oct when Game 9 started.... Thanks Dozy, for putting it back.