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arosar
08-08-2006, 12:53 PM
This tournament is on. Four Aussies playing representing the country. After 3 rounds, Aussies on 6 points.

AR

pax
08-08-2006, 01:16 PM
Georgia 0-4, Syria 2-2, Turkmenistan (B) 4-0.

Next: Turkmenistan (A).

http://under16.tsf.org.tr/

Anyone know why Ben Harris forfeited the first two rounds? Travel problems?

arosar
08-08-2006, 01:39 PM
Yes....story, courtesy of JO is in blog.

AR

Jesse Jager
08-08-2006, 01:59 PM
who is playing for Australia?

Altecman
08-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Zuigen, Rukman, Ben Harris and Derek

Denis_Jessop
08-08-2006, 09:01 PM
Georgia 0-4, Syria 2-2, Turkmenistan (B) 4-0.

Next: Turkmenistan (A).

http://under16.tsf.org.tr/

Anyone know why Ben Harris forfeited the first two rounds? Travel problems?

Ben was stuck in Singapore for two days courtesy of Qantas and then had to wait in Ankara for a flight to Agri. Agri may be a very nice place but it's 24 hours by bus from Ankara so you have to fly. To his credit Ben (very tired) then won his 3rd round game.

DJ

PS Arosar, you needn't be too worried about not having said anything about this event before. I couldn't get any info about progress (it started on 5 August) from the website, except the home page telling us how good and wealthy the TCF is, until today. Full info is now accessible there.

D Dragicevic
08-08-2006, 09:03 PM
who is benjamin harris??? for some reason, he didn't play rounds 1 and 2... and why is he ahead of derek yu if he has no rating....

D Dragicevic
08-08-2006, 09:05 PM
Ben was stuck in Singapore for two days courtesy of Qantas and then had to wait in Ankara for a flight to Agri. Agri may be a very nice place but it's 24 hours by bus from Ankara so you have to fly. To his credit Ben (very tired) then won his 3rd round game.

DJ

while i was writing my post, this post was written as well so that answers my question why didn't ben play first 2 games....

klyall
08-08-2006, 09:22 PM
I heard that Derek had transport problems as well. Apparently he missed his connection in Singapore and ended up flying to London to try and get a connection to Turkey.

pax
08-08-2006, 10:54 PM
who is benjamin harris??? for some reason, he didn't play rounds 1 and 2... and why is he ahead of derek yu if he has no rating....

It would make no sense to rank players under 2000 on FIDE rating. ACF ratings are as follows:

1906!! 12 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1869!! 15 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1718!! 13 NSW Harris, Benjamin
1582!! 13 VIC Yu, Derek

pax
09-08-2006, 09:25 AM
Great results in rounds 4 and 5:

3-1 win over Turkmenistan(A), and then a big 3.5-0.5 win over Switzerland:


1 NURI KAMBEZ 2127 0 : 1 LIN ZHIGEN WILSON 2031
2 SCHIENDORFER EMANUEL 2066 0 : 1 VIJAYAKUMAR RUKMAN 2019
3 FABRE MATHIAS 1974 ½ : ½ HARRIS BENJAMIN 0
4 SCHIENDORFER FLORIAN 2075 0 : 1 YU DEREK 1936

pax
09-08-2006, 09:26 AM
They play the powerful Indian team in round 6.

Igor_Goldenberg
09-08-2006, 11:32 AM
It would make no sense to rank players under 2000 on FIDE rating. ACF ratings are as follows:

1906!! 12 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1869!! 15 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1718!! 13 NSW Harris, Benjamin
1582!! 13 VIC Yu, Derek

I think Derek Yu rating is a joke, his FIDE rating much more informative

MichaelBaron
09-08-2006, 12:31 PM
Great results in rounds 4 and 5:

3-1 win over Turkmenistan(A), and then a big 3.5-0.5 win over Switzerland:


1 NURI KAMBEZ 2127 0 : 1 LIN ZHIGEN WILSON 2031
2 SCHIENDORFER EMANUEL 2066 0 : 1 VIJAYAKUMAR RUKMAN 2019
3 FABRE MATHIAS 1974 : HARRIS BENJAMIN 0
4 SCHIENDORFER FLORIAN 2075 0 : 1 YU DEREK 1936


Well Done:clap:

D Dragicevic
09-08-2006, 01:46 PM
It would make no sense to rank players under 2000 on FIDE rating. ACF ratings are as follows:

1906!! 12 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1869!! 15 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1718!! 13 NSW Harris, Benjamin
1582!! 13 VIC Yu, Derek

i think this is fair enough... i wasn't aware of australian ratings as this is the first time i have heard of ben harris.. if you have a look at other countries' players, you can see that there are lower rated players on higher tables...

pax
09-08-2006, 02:31 PM
I think Derek Yu rating is a joke, his FIDE rating much more informative

His FIDE rating is based on 16 games. It would be crazy to use that as a basis for team selection. The other kids are probably also underrated.

Denis_Jessop
09-08-2006, 09:01 PM
Ben Harris is a Sydney junior. Rebecca Harris, who is probably better known, is his sister and is older. Ben's rating is higher than Rebecca's. Rebecca is nevertheless no.18 of the top 20 active Australian female players in the current list.

The rest of the team comes from Victoria.

Incidentally, today is a rest day. Currently Australia is 7th = with China A on points so they are going very well.

DJ

D Dragicevic
11-08-2006, 01:12 PM
after a few good wins, in round 6 australia lost to india 3-1, well done to zhigen though beating 2310 player... that was followed by a round 7 win over south africa who are just ranked below australia, a positive thing in australia's win over south africa was that no-one lost... in round 8 we have a beauty, australia is playing top seeded team hungary... also worth noting is that zhigen is currently the best performing player on top board with 85.7%...

pax
11-08-2006, 02:44 PM
Zhigen is having a cracker. It's a shame there aren't a few more titled players, or else he might be within cooee of an IM norm (he has 2450 performance rating at the moment).

arosar
11-08-2006, 02:57 PM
"Cooee"? Do people actually still use that word these days?

Btw, did you know that "backyard" originated from Australia?

AR

Davidflude
11-08-2006, 04:53 PM
I looked at the photos on the tournament website. There was no photo of the Australian team. However what was noticable in looking at the photos that were there was that teams tended to be full of players who looked to be from one ethnic group. Compare this to the Australian team which is clearly multicultural.

I doubt that any other nation can match this. It makes me proud of Australia.

Igor_Goldenberg
11-08-2006, 08:22 PM
His FIDE rating is based on 16 games. It would be crazy to use that as a basis for team selection. The other kids are probably also underrated.

But it's much closer to his real strength then ACF rating

pax
11-08-2006, 09:15 PM
But it's much closer to his real strength then ACF rating
It might be more accurate according to your subjective judgment, but FIDE ratings in general are hopeless below 2000 (some would say below 2200), especially a rating based on so few games.

MichaelBaron
11-08-2006, 09:45 PM
It might be more accurate according to your subjective judgment, but FIDE ratings in general are hopeless below 2000 (some would say below 2200), especially a rating based on so few games.

Unfortunately I have to agree with Pax. I wish every event in Australia would be fide-rated (now that the rating floor is down to 1400 it is easy to arrange). In this case, we would have no reason to doubt validity of the Fide ratings for players of all levels.

Davidflude
12-08-2006, 11:30 AM
details are not shown of the round eight results although it appears to be 3-1 loss. Round nine Australia are back on track with a crush of Tunisia.

pax
12-08-2006, 02:16 PM
details are not shown of the round eight results although it appears to be 3-1 loss. Round nine Australia are back on track with a crush of Tunisia.

I think Australia lost 4-0 to Hungary. Not so bad, when you consider they outrate us by 400 points average! 3.5-0.5 win over Tunisia (Zhigen drew). Last round is another doozy, facing current leaders Ukraine.

The unlucky last round pairing will hurt the final position, but I think the boys can be very proud of the way they have played. They have achieved one important objective of putting themselves in the position to play some of the top teams.

D Dragicevic
12-08-2006, 08:35 PM
I think Australia lost 4-0 to Hungary. Not so bad, when you consider they outrate us by 400 points average! 3.5-0.5 win over Tunisia (Zhigen drew). Last round is another doozy, facing current leaders Ukraine.

The unlucky last round pairing will hurt the final position, but I think the boys can be very proud of the way they have played. They have achieved one important objective of putting themselves in the position to play some of the top teams.

your comments are spot on... when the tournament finishes, australia would have played 4 top seeds which is a great tournament.. the experience boys have gained is very valuable... at the moment ukraine leads by 2 points, so for them 2-2 draw will be enough so possibly they could relax a bit...

MichaelBaron
13-08-2006, 02:44 AM
Overall, its a good performance by the Auzzie team. Its great to see the future of Australian chess in action :clap:

Davidflude
13-08-2006, 07:09 PM
I have played through the last round games. The aussie players were outplayed by much higher rated opponents. Nevertheless they fought hard. I hope their coaches go through the games with them on their return to Australia.

All in all this was a great effort by the team.

D Dragicevic
13-08-2006, 07:26 PM
good experience for all the players and well played by all of them... it's a pity that ben harris had to forfeit his first two games, they would probably have a better score...

Dozy
14-08-2006, 03:14 PM
I've just added 24 games played by the Australian team to my Rooty Hill story about this tournament. Rounds 1, 2, 3 and 7 were unavailable, but all the others are there if you'd like to play through them.

http://www.rootyhillchess.org/ben.html