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MARON
12-06-2006, 11:13 AM
Hi, Does anyone know anything about the fried liver attack in the two knights defence ..
(websites , books, or anything)

it goes.... 1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Nf6
4.Ng5 d5
5.exd5 Nxd5
6.Nxf7!!!
ive been looking every where for a book on this gambit

Carl Gorka
12-06-2006, 11:41 AM
Hi, Does anyone know anything about the fried liver attack in the two knights defence ..
(websites , books, or anything)

it goes.... 1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Nf6
4.Ng5 d5
5.exd5 Nxd5
6.Nxf7!!!
ive been looking every where for a book on this gambit

There's an article in a fairly recent NIC Yearbook on the Fried Liver suggesting 6.d4 to be best and, in fact, winning for White.

Carl Gorka
12-06-2006, 12:29 PM
There are articles on the 2 knights and fried liver at http://www.chesscafe.com/

Find the archives button and then search the articles called "The Kibitzer". There are loads of interesting articles, but perhaps the one for March 2001 would be a good start for you:)

MichaelBaron
12-06-2006, 03:04 PM
5...Na5 is the correct move

MARON
12-06-2006, 03:36 PM
yes i know ..... its just for when black takes on d5

Arrogant-One
12-06-2006, 04:21 PM
Hi, Does anyone know anything about the fried liver attack in the two knights defence ..
(websites , books, or anything)

it goes.... 1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Nf6
4.Ng5 d5
5.exd5 Nxd5
6.Nxf7!!!
ive been looking every where for a book on this gambit

I read a book by Nigel Short once in which he calls the Alekhine defence pathetic and points out his remarkable winning record against that opening. That opening is similiar to the two Knights defence.

Desmond
12-06-2006, 05:15 PM
I read a book by Nigel Short once in which he calls the Alekhine defence pathetic and points out his remarkable winning record against that opening. That opening is similiar to the two Knights defence.

It is indeed similair ... for the first half-move anyway :lol:

EZBeet
11-07-2006, 05:57 PM
Against a strong player the fried liver will most probably fail. They will say "thanks for the knight" move their king to the centre and hang on until the endgame, when they will be a piece up and have a better king.

I have played more fried livers then I've eaten real ones. It was my favourite for a long time and I still can't resist a bite occasionally, even today - against much weaker opponents it must be stressed.

do yourself a favour, play 6.d4

Igor_Goldenberg
12-07-2006, 02:11 PM
After 6.Nxf7 (or 6.d4 which is even better) the black is toasted. It begs a question: why is it called fried?

sleepless
13-07-2006, 09:47 PM
Michael Goeller's site on the two knights is excellent. Here's the link for the lolli attack (6.d4)

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/perreux/lolli_attack.html


cheers!

ElevatorEscapee
16-07-2006, 02:21 PM
Maybe 6.d4 should be the "Fried Lolli" ;)

Jesse Jager
18-07-2006, 10:50 AM
Isn't 5...b5 also playable?

Igor_Goldenberg
18-07-2006, 03:23 PM
Isn't 5...b5 also playable?

as well as 5...Na5, 5...Nd4 and undoubtedly some other reasonable moves I don't know about. But 5...Nxd5 is one of the worst alternatives

likesforests
05-08-2006, 03:34 PM
Hi, Does anyone know anything about the fried liver attack in the two knights defence ..

While the Fried Liver Attack is good, the Lolli Attack is a more sophisticated attack you can use in the same situation. White already wins 83% with the Fried Liver Attack, but s/he wins an incredible 91% with the Lolli Attack.

There's a short video explaining the basic moves and ideas here:
http://www.chesslecture.com/sample.php

Note: I don't recommend subscribing. He doesn't cover Black's best replies, so supplement with games from your favorite database.

Kevin Bonham
05-08-2006, 06:48 PM
While the Fried Liver Attack is good, the Lolli Attack is a more sophisticated attack you can use in the same situation. White already wins 83% with the Fried Liver Attack, but s/he wins an incredible 91% with the Lolli Attack.

Are those stats adjusted for rating?

I like to look at stats from games involving strong players on things like this but what I can find bears out that even where strong-ish players are involved both the Fried Liver and the Lolli generally win. On chessbase the stats are very similar with the Fried Liver scoring +22=3-4 for white and the Lolli +20=2-2 in games where at least one player is rated over 2000. However the Lolli stats include a slightly greater proportion (13/24 cf 13/29) of games where only White is the 2000+. Even where only Black is the 2000+ Black scores wretchedly in both.

Basically it's simple: good players generally don't play 5...Nxd5 (played by over-2000s in about 4% of cases). On that basis, it's not worth knowing too much about except for fun or for playing or training weakish juniors, and if you're not good enough to beat said juniors without theory, you probably won't beat them with it! :D