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Rhubarb
31-05-2006, 07:22 AM
The following tournaments have been sent to FIDE for inclusion in the July 2006 list:

Ballarat Begonia Open (March 11-13, 2006)
Melbourne Club Championship (Feb 6-April 10, 2006)
SA Championship (Feb 14-April 12, 2006)
Doeberl Cup Premier (April 14-17, 2006)
City of Sydney Championship (Feb 19-April 30, 2006)
Norths Club Championship (Feb 14-May 9, 2006)
St George Club Championship (Feb 21-May 16, 2006)
St George Club Division 2 (Feb 21-May 16, 2006)
Australian Young Masters (April 19-23, 2006)
Australian Junior Masters (April 19-23, 2006)

Greg Canfell
FIDE Ratings Officer


Edit: Note that all calculations are now game-by-game, as opposed to batched by tournament.

Rhubarb
27-06-2006, 06:46 PM
Details of the above 10 tournaments are now up on the FIDE site here (http://www.fide.com/ratings/rcvd.phtml?moder=ev_code&country=AUS), and should be rated by FIDE in the next few days.

Rincewind
27-06-2006, 08:55 PM
Shirty, was the Vic Open held too late for inclusion or has it been decided not to FIDE rate or has is there some other issue?

Rhubarb
27-06-2006, 09:29 PM
Shirty, was the Vic Open held too late for inclusion or has it been decided not to FIDE rate or has is there some other issue?


The following tournaments have been sent to FIDE as pre-registered tournaments for the October 2006 list. These are tournaments with a finishing date between June 1 and August 31 inclusive.
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Victorian Open (June 10-12, 2006)
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Shirty requires a fair bit more provocation than this...

Rincewind
27-06-2006, 09:31 PM
Shirty requires a fair bit more provocation than this...

Ta. Please excuse the myopia. That thread was a little too distant for me to make out.

Rhubarb
02-07-2006, 07:02 PM
Australian top 100 for July 2006 is up: http://www.fide.com/ratings/topfed.phtml?ina=1&country=AUS.

Later tonight or tomorrow, I will sort the entire list to get the 400 or so Australian players now on the list.

A new, very basic website is almost ready too.

Garvinator
02-07-2006, 07:45 PM
Australian top 100 for July 2006 is up: http://www.fide.com/ratings/topfed.phtml?ina=1&country=AUS.

Later tonight or tomorrow, I will sort the entire list to get the 400 or so Australian players now on the list.

A new, very basic website is almost ready too.
Is there any real point downloading the current fide rating list? I assume there will be 'updates' in a couple of days as people report in 'errors'.

Rhubarb
02-07-2006, 08:20 PM
Is there any real point downloading the current fide rating list? I assume there will be 'updates' in a couple of days as people report in 'errors'.Since it's being updated all the time and errors are being reported all the time (with weeks or even months of lag time), you'll be waiting a very long time for an error-free list.

BTW, as always, individuals can check their reports at http://www.fide.com/ratings/index.phtml, but it's possible that players new to the list in July are not yet searchable. For example, The Closet Grandmaster enters the text file list at 1988 (12 games) but is not yet searchable on the site.

Bill Gletsos
02-07-2006, 09:14 PM
Australian players active in the period.

Name Title Rating Games
Rogers, Ian g 2548 34
Smerdon, David m 2472 24
Johansen, Darryl K. g 2458 11
Zhao, Zong-Yuan m 2455 18
Wohl, Aleksandar H. m 2428 29
Tao, Trevor 2422 5
Lane, Gary W. m 2421 14
Wallace, John Paul m 2419 11
Sandler, Leonid m 2366 6
West, Guy m 2361 15
Goldenberg, Igor f 2358 7
Speck, Nick 2357 6
Xie, George Wendi f 2347 29
Rujevic, Mirko m 2278 11
Reilly, Tim f 2273 7
Berezina, Irina m 2258 9
Rej, Tomek 2252 23
Ayvazyan, Armen 2245 7
Zaric, Srboljub 2241 5
Drummond, Matthew 2235 8
Weeks, Manuel f 2229 17
Goldsmith, Alan 2226 5
Ly, Moulthun 2222 6
Halpin, Patrick 2220 15
Chow, Sam 2220 14
Wright, Neil 2209 23
Song, Raymond 2208 15
Charles, Gareth 2200 8
Bolens, Johnny 2197 7
Hoffmann, Achim Gunter 2192 7
Tredinnick, Malcolm Robert 2189 17
Skiotis, Pano 2187 6
Pyke, Malcolm 2181 12
Yu, Ronald 2177 5
Hacche, David 2173 7
Guthrie, Aaron f 2171 5
Stojic, Dusan 2170 19
Phan-Koshnitsky, Ngan wm 2168 12
Bird, Andrew 2159 21
Dragicevic, Domagoj 2154 12
Caoili, Arianne wm 2152 7
Wallis, Christopher 2149 12
Booth, Stewart 2149 5
Kempen, Leon 2147 3
Oliver, Gareth 2144 13
De Groen, Mark Saulbery 2144 10
Purdy, John S. 2143 10
Wettstein, Markus 2142 10
Ghenzer, Charles 2141 17
Viner, Phillip 2140 10
Dekic, Biljana N. wm 2138 10
Broekhuyse, Paul 2137 6
Bourmistrov, Denis 2134 10
Pecori, Ascaro 2131 9
Suttor, Vincent 2128 12
Attwood, James 2125 9
Jackson, Ralph E. 2124 4
Falchoni, Mario 2122 9
Zvedeniouk, Ilia 2121 16
Wei, Michael 2117 6
Ikeda, Junta 2116 14
Chan, Jason 2115 4
Obst, James 2106 14
Xie, Ken 2101 7
Easterbrook-Smith, Simon B. 2100 10
Stead, Kerry 2098 4
Rose, Adrian 2097 9
Moylan, Laura wm 2092 29
Hill, Ken 2089 6
Safarian, Alek 2087 7
Lip, Michael 2086 6
Raine, Marcus 2075 7
Radev, Nikola 2073 3
Ly, Thai 2068 11
Krawcheni, Andrei 2065 7
Krstic, Slobodan 2062 4
Ingram, Benny 2061 7
Voon, Richard 2060 7
Zirdum, Ivan 2057 15
Hislop, Jamie 2056 5
Hu, Jason 2054 14
Hutchings, Frank 2054 10
Chernih, Nick 2042 28
Kildisas, Victor 2042 2
Watharow, Sean 2040 5
Wyss, Felix 2035 5
Song, Angela wf 2032 22
Lin, Zhigen Wilson 2031 17
Camer, Angelito 2028 1
Mendes da Costa, Alex 2025 10
Flitney, Adrian 2023 4
Stevens, Tristan 2020 19
Donaldson, Thomas 2014 13
Yachou, Nur 2014 11
Frost, Peter 2003 6
Van Der Wal, Fritz W. 1998 6
Rout, Ian C. 1995 5
Stojic, Svetozar 1992 7
Rosario, Amiel 1988 12
Pickering, Anthony 1983 7
Davis, Tony 1969 3
Behne-Smith, David 1966 14
Fell, Lloyd 1961 3
Wang, Zhengbo 1959 5
Oliver, Shannon wf 1948 14
Yu, Michael 1941 9
Yu, Derek 1936 4
Beattie, Roger 1930 4
Illingworth, Max 1927 12
McCart, Richard 1923 15
Tomas, Tom 1907 3
Kordahi, Nicholas 1899 10
Bekker, Gary 1899 4
Tsagarakis, Angelo 1897 7
Szuveges, Narelle wm 1884 6
Bleicher, Horst 1883 5
Guo-Yuthok, Sherab 1880 5
Flude, David A 1878 4
Wu, Edwin 1875 7
Kalisch, Tom 1875 6
Reading, Jeremy 1871 13
Escribano, Jose 1857 15
Rachmadi, Herman 1857 6
Lewski, Toby 1852 12
Morris, James 1831 10
Hvistendahl, Robert 1829 17
Schon, Eugene 1820 8
Morris, Michael 1819 8
Ghobrial, Adel 1814 11
Brown, Andrew 1805 9
Beltrami, Matthew 1803 4
Brockman, Roland 1790 7
Kaplan, Alex 1762 10
Zileski, George 1738 11
Beckman, John 1693 12

Rhubarb
03-07-2006, 03:27 AM
New site here: http://users.tpg.com.au/canfell/main.html, including all Australian FIDE rated players for July 2006, a detailed example of game-by-game versus batched average calculations, and other bits and pieces. More to come.

Please PM or email me with any additions, corrections or smartarse remarks about web design minimalism plumbing new depths. :)

Greg

Brian_Jones
03-07-2006, 08:11 AM
New site here: http://users.tpg.com.au/canfell/main.html, including all Australian FIDE rated players for July 2006, a detailed example of game-by-game versus batched average calculations, and other bits and pieces. More to come.

Please PM or email me with any additions, corrections or smartarse remarks about web design minimalism plumbing new depths. :)

Greg

Great site Greg! Excellent.

Tried for half an hour to get this information off the FIDE site last night but was unsuccessful. You must have downloaded all the data and written a program or something!

pax
04-07-2006, 12:40 PM
Great site Greg! Excellent.

Tried for half an hour to get this information off the FIDE site last night but was unsuccessful. You must have downloaded all the data and written a program or something!

You can do this in about ten seconds in Linux with 'grep' and 'sort'. I used to maintain this sort of information myself before FIDE produced a decent search tool on the web site.

Brian_Jones
04-07-2006, 01:44 PM
You can do this in about ten seconds in Linux with 'grep' and 'sort'. I used to maintain this sort of information myself before FIDE produced a decent search tool on the web site.

Once upon a time there was a world before Linux...........

Rhubarb
04-07-2006, 03:16 PM
Yes, no doubt there are many easier methods than stuffing around with Excel, which is what I did. I split the text file - there are more than 72,000 players on the list now - so that each part was small enough to open in Excel, and then remerged after sorting. But Excel is not very compatible with text files when it comes to delimiters.

four four two
04-07-2006, 03:36 PM
Am I seeing things?...there appears to be a Ruperto Lugo and a Lugo Ruperto...:hmm:

pax
04-07-2006, 03:49 PM
Once upon a time there was a world before Linux...........

Before Linux, there was Unix....

grep AUS fide_ratings.txt | sort -r -k 1.50,1.53 > aus_fide_sorted.txt

Rhubarb
04-07-2006, 03:58 PM
Am I seeing things?...there appears to be a Ruperto Lugo and a Lugo Ruperto...:hmm:
Thanks, fourfster. That's probably been there for quite a while.

3205150 Ruperto, Lugo rated 1925 is incorrect and, since there appears to be no games under this name, may be able to be removed without affecting the real Ruperto's rating: 3205045 Lugo, Ruperto 2055.

I'm genuinely hopeful that these sorts of errors (naturally, they're always FIDE's fault) will be eliminated with the new system.

Brian_Jones
04-07-2006, 04:16 PM
Before Linux, there was Unix....

grep AUS fide_ratings.txt | sort -r -k 1.50,1.53 > aus_fide_sorted.txt

Ahah. But it wasn't free. It was big before PCs and SCO came along.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

pax
04-07-2006, 04:18 PM
Ahah. But it wasn't free. It was big before PCs and SCO came along.


Who said anything about it being free?

How many free pre-Linux OSes do you know about?

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Hah, nice one BJ. :cool:

Bill Gletsos
04-07-2006, 04:32 PM
Thanks, fourfster. That's probably been there for quite a while.

3205150 Ruperto, Lugo rated 1925 is incorrect and, since there appears to be no games under this name, may be able to be removed without affecting the real Ruperto's rating: 3205045 Lugo, Ruperto 2055.Actually he has 9 games from the October 2004 period as shown at http://www.fide.com/ratings/id.phtml?event=3205150&moder=4


I'm genuinely hopeful that these sorts of errors (naturally, they're always FIDE's fault) will be eliminated with the new system.
Another error is 3204383 Hardengen, Andrew which is a duplicate of 3204081 Hardegen, Andrew. 3204383 Hardengen, Andrew has 9 games in the July 2003 period as seen at http://www.fide.com/ratings/id.phtml?event=3204383&moder=4

Rhubarb
04-07-2006, 04:46 PM
Actually he has 9 games from the October 2004 period as shown at http://www.fide.com/ratings/id.phtml?event=3205150&moder=4Yeah, I forgot about that link - only clicked here: http://www.fide.com/ratings/hist.phtml?event=3205150
Damn, that means getting those 9 games merged, something a lot of people in the FIDE office don't seem capable of doing.


Another error is 3204383 Hardengen, Andrew which is a duplicate of 3204081 Hardegen, Andrew. 3204383 Hardengen, Andrew has 9 games in the July 2003 period as seen at http://www.fide.com/ratings/id.phtml?event=3204383&moder=4This one's been sent to FIDE several times.

Mischa
19-07-2006, 11:53 AM
Is there anywhere I can get a list of juniors in Victoria who have a FIDE rating?
Indeed a list of juniors in Australia?

Rincewind
19-07-2006, 12:26 PM
Is there anywhere I can get a list of juniors in Victoria who have a FIDE rating?
Indeed a list of juniors in Australia?

I think Greg's website has all Australians. Many (but not all) have a birth year. So this may help but it wouldn't be the complete picture.

Mischa
19-07-2006, 12:42 PM
hmmm... would be a useful list to have....

pax
19-07-2006, 01:34 PM
hmmm... would be a useful list to have....

I don't know.. I imagine the number of juniors with reliable FIDE ratings is rather small. ACF ratings are a much better measure for nearly all juniors.

Mischa
19-07-2006, 02:03 PM
just trying to organise tournaments for juniors to try and establish FIDE ratings for those with none

Rhubarb
19-07-2006, 03:16 PM
just trying to organise tournaments for juniors to try and establish FIDE ratings for those with noneThe FIDE list only contains the birth years if they've been provided to me in the Swiss Perfect files by the organisers. Having said that, the list should have most juniors' birth years in. Just give me a few minutes and I'll give you a list.

Rhubarb
19-07-2006, 03:36 PM
Here's the list down to 1984, in case you want early 20s as well.



ID Name Title Fed Rating Games B-Year Flag

3205690 Schon, Eugene AUS 1820 8 1994
3203824 Song, Raymond AUS 2208 15 1994
3205592 Lin, Zhigen Wilson AUS 2031 17 1993
3205207 Illingworth, Max AUS 1927 12 1992
3203832 Song, Angela wf AUS 2032 22 1992 w
3205754 Wu, Edwin AUS 1875 7 1992
3204731 Ikeda, Junta AUS 2116 14 1991
3204405 Ly, Moulthun AUS 2222 6 1991
3205720 Tse, Jeffrey AUS 1905 0 1991
3206629 Donaldson, Thomas AUS 2014 13 1990
3204812 Guo-Yuthok, Sherab AUS 1880 5 1990
3205045 Lugo, Ruperto AUS 2055 0 1990
3204537 Obst, James AUS 2106 14 1990
3204782 Vijayakumar, Rukman AUS 2019 0 1990
3204839 Wallis, Christopher AUS 2149 12 1990
3206580 Behne-Smith, David AUS 1966 14 1989
3203956 Cronan, James AUS 2093 0 1989
3205517 Jule, Alexandra AUS 1852 0 1989
3204790 Neeman, Jeremy AUS 2025 0 1989
3205738 Viswanath, Ganesh AUS 2006 0 1989
3204219 Wei, Michael AUS 2117 6 1989
3204758 Jager, Jesse AUS 2021 0 1988
3204650 Lindberg, Douglas AUS 1942 0 1988
3204367 Lubarsky, Kostia AUS 2081 0 1988
3203468 Suttor, Vincent AUS 2128 12 1988
3205070 Tran, Christopher AUS 1840 0 1988
3202992 Chow, Sam AUS 2220 14 1987
3202780 Jovanovic, Peter AUS 2081 0 1987
3204820 Kaspar, Ric AUS 1859 0 1987
3203522 Kimura, Toshi AUS 1991 0 1987
3205711 Lattimore, Tor AUS 1985 0 1987
3205827 O`Chee, Kevin AUS 2044 0 1987
3204421 Page, Christopher AUS 1806 0 1987 i
3204898 Stevens, Tristan AUS 2020 19 1987
3203948 Xie, Ken AUS 2101 7 1987
5201179 Caoili, Arianne wm AUS 2152 7 1986 w
3203182 Lip, Catherine wf AUS 2052 0 1986 wi
3204413 Oliver, Shannon wf AUS 1948 14 1986 w
3203492 Rej, Tomek AUS 2252 23 1986
3204014 Wongwichit, Phachara AUS 2032 0 1986
3202534 Zhao, Zong-Yuan m AUS 2455 18 1986
3203999 Zvedeniouk, Ilia AUS 2121 16 1986
3206050 Hvistendahl, Robert AUS 1829 17 1985
3204669 Mendes da Costa, Alex AUS 2025 10 1985
3203131 Nemeth, John AUS 2143 0 1985 i
3202798 Tan, Justin AUS 2281 0 1985
3202593 Tian, Kuan-Kuan AUS 2137 0 1985
3202933 Xie, George Wendi f AUS 2347 29 1985
3203050 Boyd, Tristan AUS 2279 0 1984
3202305 Smerdon, David m AUS 2472 24 1984
3202810 Soloveychik, Sasha AUS 2207 0 1984 i


Here are the players who I don't have a birth year for but might still be juniors. I quickly removed people who I know for a fact are nowhere near being juniors (and no doubt missed a lot).


3203760 Aghamalyan, Armen AUS 2194 0
3204693 Alkin, John AUS 1930 0
3206572 Beckman, John AUS 1693 12
3206483 Beltrami, Matthew AUS 1803 4
3203310 Bourmistrov, Denis AUS 2134 10
3205126 Brooks, Chris AUS 2027 0
3206513 Brown, Andrew AUS 1805 9
3204588 Castor, David AUS 2195 0
3206599 Chernih, Nick AUS 2042 28
3202224 Chow, Michael AUS 2200 0 i
3202291 Collins, William AUS 2100 0 i
3205797 Dour, Nicholas AUS 1728 0
3203328 Dragicevic, Domagoj AUS 2154 12
3206343 Fedec, John AUS 2022 0
3204243 Ferris, Shaun AUS 1889 0
3204707 Ghobrial, Adel AUS 1814 11
3206360 Grigg, Sam AUS 1774 0
3204057 Haasse, Adam AUS 2080 0
3204081 Hardegen, Andrew AUS 1934 0
3203662 Harutyunyan, Vahram AUS 1944 0
3203840 Hoffmann, Achim Gunter AUS 2192 7
3206491 Holland, Dennis AUS 1976 0
3204480 Huang, Justin AUS 2011 0
3204499 Huddleston, Heather AUS 2027 0 w
3203514 Humphrey, Jonathan f AUS 2246 0
3203344 Hyland, Peter AUS 2035 0 i
3205134 Kaplan, Alex AUS 1762 10
3203786 Kempen, Leon AUS 2147 3
3206505 Krawcheni, Andrei AUS 2065 7
3206394 Kueh, Michael AUS 2022 0
3205630 Lazarus, Ben AUS 2166 0
3203611 Lee, Ben AUS 2022 0
3203280 Lee, Michelle AUS 1888 0 i
3206408 Lei, Yitao AUS 1911 0
3205576 Leonhardt, Wolfgang AUS 2055 0
3205606 List, Ross AUS 1789 0
3206416 Lojanica, Zdravko AUS 1946 0
3204308 Ly, Thai AUS 2068 11
3206440 Maris, Robert AUS 1910 0
3202976 McBride, Kelvin AUS 2082 0
3206521 McIntyre, Brock AUS 1990 0
3205142 Miller, Anthony AUS 1845 0
3205800 Morris, James AUS 1831 10
3205819 Morris, Michael AUS 1819 8
3203298 Murray, Russel AUS 1939 0 i
3204316 Narenthran, Tharmaratnam AUS 2035 0 i
3202917 Nissen, Amir AUS 2100 0 i
3201902 O'Carroll, Jeremy AUS 2249 0
3203727 Oliver, Gareth AUS 2144 13
3203638 Ooi, Kyo AUS 1983 0 i
3203670 Parle, Cameron AUS 1957 0 i
3204065 Phillip, Stephen AUS 2097 0 i
3202062 Powell, David AUS 2149 0 i
3206459 Radovan, Peter AUS 1907 0
3206190 Reading, Jeremy AUS 1871 13
3205835 Reid, Vaness AUS 1899 0 w
3204430 Rikalo, Milenko AUS 2011 0 i
3202569 Rose, Allinta AUS 2018 0 wi
3203646 Serov, Ilya AUS 2025 0 i
3203549 Sharman, Scot A. AUS 2062 0
3204677 Shaw, Robin A. AUS 1835 0
3206548 Sheldrick, Kevin AUS 2153 0
3204618 Silas, Frank AUS 1841 0
3203395 Small, David AUS 2032 0 i
3203689 Stojic, Dusan AUS 2170 19
3203697 Stojic, Svetozar AUS 1992 7
3202640 Szuveges, Narelle wm AUS 1884 6 w
3204138 Taylor, Leon AUS 1946 0
3200612 Thomson, M. AUS 2005 0 wi
3205703 Vijayakumar, Rengan AUS 1873 0
3205614 Wang, Zhengbo AUS 1959 5
3203700 Wen, Philip AUS 2052 0
3206203 Yu, Derek AUS 1936 4
3206637 Yu, Michael AUS 1941 9
3204120 Yu, Ronald AUS 2177 5
3205673 Zileski, George AUS 1738 11
3203190 Zivanovic, Andjelija AUS 1995 0 w
3203557 Zivanovic, Rados AUS 1858 0



To get the state of these players, the only thing I can think of is to get them off the ACF list (http://www.auschess.org.au/ratings/acfrate.htm).


Note that anyone can send me missing birthdays of anyone on the FIDE list (exact date, please, only the year is published) and, theoretically, FIDE will add them to the next list.

Desmond
19-07-2006, 03:39 PM
3204693 Alkin, John AUS 1930 0 - not a junior

Bill Gletsos
19-07-2006, 03:46 PM
Note that anyone can send me missing birthdays of anyone on the FIDE list (exact date, please, only the year is published) and, theoretically, FIDE will add them to the next list.A number of those players have birthdates listed in the ACF SP Master file.

Ian Rout
19-07-2006, 04:04 PM
Here are the players who I don't have a birth year for but might still be juniors.
Of the ACT players on the maybe list, Andrew Brown, Matthew Beltrami and Gareth Oliver are under 20. Jeremy Reading may be just U/20.

Mischa
19-07-2006, 04:18 PM
wow thank you soooo much

Mischa
19-07-2006, 04:19 PM
umm where is my son's name?

Mischa
19-07-2006, 04:20 PM
found it...his birth year BTW is 1994 April 22

four four two
19-07-2006, 05:04 PM
found it...his birth year BTW is 1994 April 22

Which would make him 12yrs old...which leads me to the question ...why does the ACF site still list James in the under 12 section?:hmm:

Bill Gletsos
19-07-2006, 05:10 PM
Which would make him 12yrs old...which leads me to the question ...why does the ACF site still list James in the under 12 section?:hmm:ACF uses the same criteria s FIDE which is the players age as of 1st January. At that stage he was only 11.

pax
19-07-2006, 06:07 PM
Wolfgang Leonhardt would be mightily flattered to be in the "maybe a junior" list. He is 77, and an eight time former WA champion (first in 1954)!! :)

Rhubarb
19-07-2006, 07:12 PM
Of the ACT players on the maybe list, Andrew Brown, Matthew Beltrami and Gareth Oliver are under 20. Jeremy Reading may be just U/20.


3204693 Alkin, John AUS 1930 0 - not a junior


Wolfgang Leonhardt would be mightily flattered to be in the "maybe a junior" list. He is 77, and an eight time former WA champion (first in 1954)!! :)Yeah no worries.:D As you can see I put approximately zero conscious thought into that list, it was just to quickly narrow it down somewhat for Mischa to possibly invite.


A number of those players have birthdates listed in the ACF SP Master file.How long's it been an SP file? Last time I downloaded it last year some time it was a text file without birth dates, as far as I can recall.

Okay, what I'll do is get all the the dates I can, then publish a list of all the players who I don't have a birth date for. It's not a high priority for non-juniors, though.

Bill Gletsos
19-07-2006, 07:18 PM
How long's it been an SP file? Last time I downloaded it last year some time it was a text file without birth dates, as far as I can recall.The birth dates have always been on the SP master file which is not a text file.
If what you got was a text file then it isnt the SP master file but just the master file list.

On the ratings page the SP master file it listed as acfmast.zip under the heading SwissPerfect files:

Rhubarb
19-07-2006, 07:22 PM
The birth dates have always been on the SP master file which is not a text file.
If what you got was a text file then it isnt the SP master file but just the master file list.

On the ratings page the SP master file it listed as acfmast.zip under the heading SwissPerfect files:Yes, got it now thanks.

Mischa
19-07-2006, 08:09 PM
[QUOTE=Shirty]Yeah no worries.:D As you can see I put approximately zero conscious thought into that list, it was just to quickly narrow it down somewhat for Mischa to possibly invite.


And thank you very much for this ...it is information that will be used...:)

Rhubarb
25-07-2006, 06:51 PM
Hello Mod Squad. Any chance that I can have posts 3-23 moved to the July 2006 FIDE Ratings thread. Nothing wrong with the question or the subsequent discussion - it's just that the lists I gave were the July 2006 ratings. Thanks in advance.

Edit: And thanks in retrospect. :)

antichrist
28-07-2006, 04:28 PM
..............

Note that anyone can send me missing birthdays of anyone on the FIDE list (exact date, please, only the year is published) and, theoretically, FIDE will add them to the next list.

I have always thought that in today's scenario of identi-fraud that birthdays should not be published, years later someone knowing an ex-junior birthday can take advantage of such.

Rhubarb
12-08-2006, 12:43 PM
It might be more accurate according to your subjective judgment, but FIDE ratings in general are hopeless below 2000 (some would say below 2200), especially a rating based on so few games.

Unfortunately I have to agree with Pax. I wish every event in Australia would be fide-rated (now that the rating floor is down to 1400 it is easy to arrange). In this case, we would have no reason to doubt validity of the Fide ratings for players of all levels.
Hi Michael,

Although the floor is now 1401, it will be a couple of years before there will be many players below 1600. At the moment there's only a handful in the 1600-1800 interval, and to have a FIDE-rateable event, you need ... FIDE-rated players. There's also less flexibilty for organisers in terms of time controls compared to ACF-rateable events. In the next few years, however, there is likely to be a few more events for players in the 1600-2000 range.

Of course, it's no secret that this is all part of a money-making exercise by FIDE, and for the time being I won't be insisting that any but the top events be FIDE-rated. On the other hand, I won't refuse to rate any tournament that organisers want FIDE-rated, even if there's only a few rateable games in the entire tournament.

Also, as pax says, it's only recently that the 2000-2200 interval has gained any credibility, and even here there's a long way to go before they're as reliable as ACF ratings. This should give an idea of how unreliable the ratings in the 1600-2000 range are. In fact, while it's a nice thing to be part of the worldwide rating system, FIDE has been lowering the floor so rapidly that it will be many, many years before there is any statistical integrity at all in the lower end of the system, so we have to keep in mind that we've already got a perfectly good rating system for the vast majority of players.

Igor_Goldenberg
12-08-2006, 03:23 PM
It might be more accurate according to your subjective judgment, but FIDE ratings in general are hopeless below 2000 (some would say below 2200), especially a rating based on so few games.

I'd say any rating system based on ELO is hopeless when it tries to encompass the scale from absolute novice to world champion.

I do not think professor ELO expected it to span more then 400 points.

Bill Gletsos
12-08-2006, 03:49 PM
I'd say any rating system based on ELO is hopeless when it tries to encompass the scale from absolute novice to world champion.

I do not think professor ELO expected it to span more then 400 points.That isnt correct Igor, because Elo also implemented it for the USCF prior to doing so with FIDE. However the USCF never had the various rating cut-offs amongst other things that would lead to problems for ratings below 2000

pax
12-08-2006, 08:38 PM
I'd say any rating system based on ELO is hopeless when it tries to encompass the scale from absolute novice to world champion.

I do not think professor ELO expected it to span more then 400 points.

As Bill noted, the problems at the lower end of FIDE ratings arise specifically because of the rating cutoff. When the cutoff was 2200, a player could secure a rating with a performance over the requisite number of games of 2200 or higher. The problem is that prior performances below 2200 were not taken into consideration. This meant that a number of players in the 1800-2000 (ACF) range ended up with a massively inflated initial rating.

In fact, allowing the ratings to cover a wider range should reduce problems rather than increase them.

Rhubarb
12-08-2006, 09:29 PM
Pax, increasing the lower range certainly makes things better around the 2200 level, but it just shifts the problem further down the scale. Also, in the short term, it just increases the range of unreliable ratings - FIDE keeps lowering by a 200-point margin so quickly there is no chance for new players to fill out each 200-point interval in a meaningful fashion.

Igor, there is nothing wrong with Elo's system in so much as applying it across longer ranges - after all, this is just more standard deviations over the Normal Distribution. What is quite wrong is starting off with a very small top-end percentage of the entire distribution and then trying to add bits and pieces of the rest of the distribution in a haphazard fashion, which is what FIDE is trying to do.