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huh123
24-04-2006, 03:31 PM
Is it possible for a 17 year old who is at about 1300 to improve and become 1900+?

Kevin Bonham
24-04-2006, 03:55 PM
Definitely.

Malcolm Pyke was around 1300 when he just started (late teens? early 20s?)and is now rated 2080.

I also almost qualify - I went from just below 1200 to 1411 a few months before I turned 17 and have since been as high as 2039.

huh123
24-04-2006, 04:08 PM
I see. That sounds reassuring.

Do you have any book suggestions? I know of a couple, but I don't know if they will really work.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/item/books-978185744269/1857442695/Rapid+Chess+Improvement
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/search?keywords=teach%20yourself%20better%20chess&pageSize=10

thx

Garvinator
24-04-2006, 04:38 PM
Definitely.

Malcolm Pyke was around 1300 when he just started (late teens? early 20s?)and is now rated 2080.

I also almost qualify - I went from just below 1200 to 1411 a few months before I turned 17 and have since been as high as 2039.
take out the rating increases;)

Kevin Bonham
24-04-2006, 04:42 PM
I never studied any particular books that much, I just relied on a gradual build-up of tournament experience and understanding of types of positions that I got. Different things can work for different people.


http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/item/books-978185744269/1857442695/Rapid+Chess+Improvement

There's some discussion about that book here (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=2877) that you may find interesting.


http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/search?keywords=teach%20yourself%20better%20chess&pageSize=10

Don't think I've read it but author is very well regarded.

Watto
24-04-2006, 04:46 PM
Hi huh123. Someone else asked this question last year and got a few answers too... see below.
http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=2765
I'm looking forward to seeing Frosty's rating go up and up!

Kevin Bonham
24-04-2006, 05:23 PM
take out the rating increases;)

Yes, it's true that in the period discussed Malcolm and I both scored 220 points of ACF adjustments. However the first 150 points was a deflation correction and some of the deflation would have occurred while we were playing. So it's not as simple as saying we improved by 220 points less than the figures say.

David Richards recorded a whopping rating increase as an adult over quite a short space of time, although something like half of that was ACF topups and corrections to some local rating issues.

huh123
25-04-2006, 04:42 AM
What's the difference between an expert and a 1300 player?

MichaelBaron
05-05-2006, 10:51 PM
Yes, it's true that in the period discussed Malcolm and I both scored 220 points of ACF adjustments. However the first 150 points was a deflation correction and some of the deflation would have occurred while we were playing. So it's not as simple as saying we improved by 220 points less than the figures say.

David Richards recorded a whopping rating increase as an adult over quite a short space of time, although something like half of that was ACF topups and corrections to some local rating issues.


It is easy to improve if your rating is 1200. However, as you get stronger- getting better becomes harder. It is much easier to go from 1100 to 1600 than from 2100 to 2300 or from 2600 to 2700.

WhiteElephant
05-05-2006, 11:20 PM
I remember all through my days as a junior Simon Rutherford was around 1100-1300 for many years. I stopped playing, then a couple of years later I checked the ratings and saw that he had become an FM. What the!! Incredible improvement.

Vlad
06-05-2006, 10:52 AM
Looking at my son's progress I believe getting from 1000 to 1200 in a half a year (spending around 10 hours a week on chess) is not hard.

On the other hand if you read articles written by professional coachess from chess assistant team, you can find that getting from 2200 to 2400 is possible in 2 years (spending on average around 20 hours a week on chess).

Consequently, this informal analysis proves that it is 8 times harder to get from 2200 to 2400 rather than from 1000 to 1200.:owned:

MichaelBaron
06-05-2006, 02:53 PM
Looking at my son's progress I believe getting from 1000 to 1200 in a half a year (spending around 10 hours a week on chess) is not hard.

On the other hand if you read articles written by professional coachess from chess assistant team, you can find that getting from 2200 to 2400 is possible in 2 years (spending on average around 20 hours a week on chess).

Consequently, this informal analysis proves that it is 8 times harder to get from 2200 to 2400 rather than from 1000 to 1200.:owned:


Drug, how many players have we got in Australia who call themselves "chess professionals" yet fail to get to 2200? I do not want to list the names here (to avoid offending people) but many names come to mind.

And once players do get to 2200, then yet another challenge is awaiting them. How many senior players (25+ years of age, employed etc.) have managed to get improve 200 points at this level

PHAT
06-05-2006, 03:11 PM
(spending around 10 hours a week on chess)
(spending on average around 20 hours a week on chess).


Do mean hours of study time?
Do you include social games as part of that time?

MichaelBaron
07-05-2006, 11:13 AM
If improving is that easy? How can all of us are patzers? :doh:

Jesse Jager
07-05-2006, 12:02 PM
patzer is a relative term

Vlad
07-05-2006, 07:30 PM
If improving is that easy? How can all of us are patzers? :doh:

If you are having trouble improving urselve, for a very "modest" fee (say $300 AU per hour of my work) I can design a program to make you an IM in less than 2 years. :owned:

ElevatorEscapee
07-05-2006, 08:18 PM
If you are having trouble improving urselve, for a very "modest" fee (say $300 AU per hour of my work) I can design a program to make you an IM in less than 2 years. :owned:
This program wouldn't happen to involve a young four year old swiping a rook off the board during critical games would it? I think that would put anyone's opponent at a definite disadvantage. ;) :lol:

bobby1972
07-05-2006, 09:53 PM
:) yes possible.my rating in 1983 was 1359 i was 19 at the time(41 now) now you can check this my source is "ON THE MOVE" #3 october 1983 had the ratings list.now in 1986 i came 3rd in the vic champs the year hamilton won it who i defeated ,actually went into last round undefeated 1/2 a point in front but lost my only game for that championship.very possible.

Jesse Jager
08-05-2006, 01:40 PM
I think as ur rating increases it becomes harder to improve :D

MichaelBaron
08-05-2006, 11:32 PM
:) yes possible.my rating in 1983 was 1359 i was 19 at the time(41 now) now you can check this my source is "ON THE MOVE" #3 october 1983 had the ratings list.now in 1986 i came 3rd in the vic champs the year hamilton won it who i defeated ,actually went into last round undefeated 1/2 a point in front but lost my only game for that championship.very possible.


a) what you have done is great, congrats -but it does not happen that often
b) improving from 1359 to a higher level is easier than getting from 2200 to 2400
c)At 19 you were still very young...i was referring to elder players...
d) If you did manage to get that far without quitting your job/interrupting studies i simply admire your talent- Well Done!

bobby1972
09-05-2006, 11:53 PM
nothing to do with talent met this girls at the pub next to the club they happened to live a couple of blocks away from the mcc so i moved in ,so i spent a lot of time at the mcc.:D

Igor_Goldenberg
10-05-2006, 09:21 AM
nothing to do with talent met this girls at the pub next to the club they happened to live a couple of blocks away from the mcc so i moved in ,so i spent a lot of time at the mcc.:D

Instead of spending the time with those girls? What a devotion!:clap: :clap:

Igor_Goldenberg
10-05-2006, 09:29 AM
On a more serious note:

Neil Wright scored 7.5/9 against a field of players who exceed his rating from few points to almost 400 (but everyone is rated higher), and he is not a junior.

It is possible to improve.

Vlad
10-05-2006, 10:13 AM
I do not think Neil is a good example of an adult improvement because he is a player who is coming back rather than improving from the very beginning. I agree though that the result is quite good even for an "old" Neil Wright, who if i remember correctly convinsingly beat Guy West in the 2000 australian championship in Canberra.

Igor_Goldenberg
10-05-2006, 10:38 AM
what was his rating in "the old days"?

MichaelBaron
10-05-2006, 11:46 AM
what was his rating in "the old days"?


I believe Neil was about 1900 or so in 1993 I can recall losing to him at Australian Junior Championships that year

Igor_Goldenberg
10-05-2006, 12:16 PM
We are talking about 2000, ot 1993

Basil
31-07-2007, 08:40 PM
I can't see my name mentioned anywhere :whistle:

Axiom
31-07-2007, 08:49 PM
I can't see my name mentioned anywhere :whistle:
dont worry, you'll be the iceberg they crash into one of these days ;)

Axiom
31-07-2007, 08:51 PM
Instead of spending the time with those girls? What a devotion!:clap: :clap:
great line igor :lol:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

MichaelBaron
04-08-2007, 01:52 PM
So what is more important, girls or chess?
:doh:

Ged
05-08-2007, 12:13 PM
trick question

ER
05-08-2007, 12:32 PM
So what is more important, girls or chess?
:doh:

Chess playing girls?
Cheers and Good Luck! :)

Ged
05-08-2007, 12:45 PM
^not from what I have seen around

CameronD
05-08-2007, 12:51 PM
most best female player awards at weekend tournaments in Brisbane that I've attended are a 5-6 horse race at best usually

And at my club we only have 1 female member out of around 14

Chess in brisbane is close to a male only sport.