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Dozy
20-11-2005, 09:27 AM
I'm trying to contact anyone who played at Sydney's Maroczy Chess Club.

It was located in George Street, just down from Railway Square into the 1970s then moved to the Phoenician Club, near the Sydney Town Hall. When the Phoenician Club moved from there to Broadway I lost contact and don't know what happened after that.

The only references Google can find to Maroczy's or its players are on either the Rooty Hill Chess Club site or on my own Tomorrowland and it seems a pity that a club which enjoyed so much prestige and played host to such visitors as Lajos Portisch, Max Euwe and Gyula Sax should now be forgotten.

The only old Maroczy members I've met since my return to chess last year are Carl Art and Ian Dickson.

If you can assist with names and contact details, but especially with anecdotes and photographs, to enable me to write a profile of the club I'd appreciate it.

This photograph (taken by Geza Loja) shows Lajor Portisch giving a simul at Maroczys.

And, by the way, it's pronounced Ma-ror'-chies . . . (and I can't manage to say it as well as Carl does!)

The_Wise_Man
20-11-2005, 10:00 PM
Did the club ever play out of St George Budapest Soccer Club premises?

Wise

Dozy
21-11-2005, 05:12 AM
Did the club ever play out of St George Budapest Soccer Club premises?

WiseNot in the time I was playing with them but it's a good question and there may be a clue there. I'll try to chase it up.

In those days the Grade Matches were played in sections. We played east or central (not sure which) St. George played south and there was another group in the west. (In my grade in 1972 Maroczy, St. George and Parramatta all won their sections and had to play a round robin to decide the winner. My St. George opponent was Col Byrne who, I think, still plays with you sometimes.)

Alex Szirt was a member but he also played for St. George where he sponsored the Alex Szirt Cup (which Arosar was asking about on the BB around April...)

The_Wise_Man
21-11-2005, 10:46 PM
I remember seeing something when I was searching for the St George Hall of Fame...

I will see in the next couple of weeks if I can locate the articles...

Wise

Dozy
22-11-2005, 12:52 AM
I remember seeing something when I was searching for the St George Hall of Fame...

I will see in the next couple of weeks if I can locate the articles...

WiseThank you Mr Wise. It's appreciated.

Dozy
15-06-2007, 11:21 PM
A couple of weeks ago I was contacted by John Stevenson (formerly Lajoz Szucs) who found this thread while searching the Internet for information about Geza Maroczy.

John was a member of the Maroczy Chess Club during the 1960s and had lots of photographs and memories to share.

As a result I've posted a story about Maroczys on Tomorrowland. You can find the chess index here: http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adslpu7j/chess/frmsetchess.html. Just click on "Maroczy Chess Club" in the TOC.

There's a report on two matches played between the Maroczy/Sydney and Budapest/Melbourne clubs as well as some personal comments about some of the players.

Many of the people in the photographs have slipped from memory so if anybody can identify any of them I'd appreciate a PM or, better, an email. I'd also appreciate any information or anecdotes anybody has about them.

ER
16-06-2007, 01:12 AM
When I lived in Sydney, I came across a couple of Hungarian born players, at the Hyde Park Chess Boards. One of them (the older) was quite a strong player, his name was George and he told me that he was once a member of the Maroczy Club.
I am sure peter Parr, Glen Devyne, John Curtis and Max Fuller would know more about the Club and its members!
Cheers and good luck!

Dozy
16-06-2007, 08:07 AM
When I lived in Sydney, I came across a couple of Hungarian born players, at the Hyde Park Chess Boards. One of them (the older) was quite a strong player, his name was George and he told me that he was once a member of the Maroczy Club.
I am sure peter Parr, Glen Devyne, John Curtis and Max Fuller would know more about the Club and its members!
Cheers and good luck!Thanks, HK. I only remember one of that group playing there at all, though it's possible they were there before my time.

And the guy who did play there (but only in the Maroczy Cup) got himself banned when he kicked in the door one night when the organisers were running late.

No names mentioned, but anybody who was around chess in the 'seventies won't need them... :hmm:

Basil
16-06-2007, 08:26 AM
'Morning Doze.

Have just seen this thread courtesy of the revival. Perhaps a request to move to the History sub-forum to the mods?

Love the pic - love the history - thanks.

John Curtis FM
11-02-2009, 01:15 AM
'Morning Doze.

Have just seen this thread courtesy of the revival. Perhaps a request to move to the History sub-forum to the mods?

Love the pic - love the history - thanks.

John Curtis FM
If I recall Correctly chess identities there were big Karl Madjaric, the stoic Geza Loja, Alex Davidovici and and member Maroczy player Andy Hidash (Maroczy Club Champion??) a very strong Hungarian player indeed who due to nerves never realised his full potential but a wonderfuly warm person.I remember I was told what Hungarian Goulash was that night!
It was my first time I walked up the thin corridorto the overcrowded room to see Portisch in action. Peter Parr would also likely have been there with me as we walked down from Hyde Park South Chess tables..
Later I would go to Canterbury Chess Club and see Portisch play a match simul against about 4 players likely including P Parr ..

Dozy
13-08-2009, 12:00 AM
John Curtis FM
If I recall Correctly chess identities there were big Karl Madjaric, the stoic Geza Loja, Alex Davidovici and and member Maroczy player Andy Hidash (Maroczy Club Champion??) a very strong Hungarian player indeed who due to nerves never realised his full potential but a wonderfuly warm person.I remember I was told what Hungarian Goulash was that night!
It was my first time I walked up the thin corridorto the overcrowded room to see Portisch in action. Peter Parr would also likely have been there with me as we walked down from Hyde Park South Chess tables..
Later I would go to Canterbury Chess Club and see Portisch play a match simul against about 4 players likely including P Parr ..

Hi John,
My apologies for taking so long to respond to your post. I don't get in to Chess Chat these days and actually found it when I Googled your name looking for some of your games.
You're going to get a mention in my chess.com blog (http://blog.chess.com/Dozy) next weekend. (I had a request to write about chess in Hyde Park and you'll get a mention along the way.) I wanted to add a game or two of yours to go with it.
Your comments certainly brought back some memories. I was so green in those days I wouldn't have known who you were.
Thanks for taking the trouble to respond.

Capablanca-Fan
14-08-2009, 07:54 AM
And, by the way, it's pronounced Ma-ror'-chies . . . (and I can't manage to say it as well as Carl does!)
I've heard differently: MAH-ro-tsy; definitely not ma-ROK-sy. But nice to see such a great and undeservedly unappreciated player honoured. To see how strong Geza Maróczy was, see this tribute by no less a player than Capablanca (http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/capablanca8.html).

peter_parr
17-08-2009, 01:21 PM
The simul by Portisch in Jan 1971 at Canterbury was held just after all 5 players had just returned from Adelaide - won by Portisch (5 GM's) etc.

It was a 5 board clock simul the games finishing in the following order M.Fuller 0 in my shop last week , L.Fell 0 now aged 91 , P.Parr 0 a Grunfeld my theory finished at move 15 but Portisch theory just started, Portisch checks his watch - late - draw Flatow and Wettstein.

Portisch told me 8 boards in a clock simul with average opponents 2300 would be fairer. I later played a 5 board clock simul at Bankstown Sports average opponent rating 1950 and won 3-2.

A 300 point rating gap should be ok for the higher rated player to win in a 5 board clock simul.

The Maroczy Club was at 800 George St, Sydney just round the corner from my shop in the Sydney CBD. Lajos Steiner beat Maroczy in Europe. Top Hungarians in Sydney were IM Steiner, IM Berger, HM Dozsa, Feuer, Hidas etc.

Stephen Javor featured on the 2010 Australian Championship brochure was a pupil of Maroczy and has been an active player in Sydney for over 50 years and a chessplayer for about 70 years!

Dr Zoltan Bodalai rang me about 6 years ago - he was in his nineties.

Geza Loja was the gunner in a two person Royal Hungarian Air Force Messerschmitt fighter plane. He was shot down by enemy aircraft fire and was very severely injured. Loja was a regular visitor to my shop in the early 70's and had numerous operations removing metal fragments from all the shrapnel that almost took his life.

Paul Sherman (Bridge Grandmaster) was a Maroczy regular.
Glynn Devine, the 7th child of 13, made the right decision to move to Australia - his ancestors worked long and hard in the coal mines. Glynn likes the lucky country.

Leading Hungarian grandmaster chess players who have been to Sydney include P.Leko, Polgar Sisters, L.Portisch, L.Szabo, G.Sax,

Portisch last event finished two days ago in Zurich. Leko leads GP in Armenia, GM Laszlo Szabo has died in 1998.

Alex Szirt was also a long time Maroczy club member and sponsored the 1979 Maroczy Cup.
IM Cecil Purdy died of a heart attack during a game in the 1979 Maroczy Cup.
His final words were “what about my game”.

ER
18-08-2009, 12:56 AM
Fascinating article Peter! Brought tears in my eyes! :clap: :clap: :clap:

antichrist
23-09-2009, 02:23 AM
PPARR
IM Cecil Purdy died of a heart attack during a game in the 1979 Maroczy Cup.
His final words were “what about my game”.

a/c
I met Cecil Purdy in the mid seventies at a big comp and he was old then, I can well understand him having a heart attack during his game. But I love his last words. They should be on his tombstone