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jenni
08-11-2005, 10:36 PM
This should be starting tomorrow, with George Xie as Australia's sole rep.

I don't have a proper web site as yet, but hopefully something will appear on this page.

http://www.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=19&Itemid=27

pax
10-11-2005, 03:55 PM
There's a big fat nuthin on the website.

Sheesh, it's not as if anyone cares about this tournament is it?

jenni
10-11-2005, 04:04 PM
Maybe they were too busy yesterday with wedding celebrations to put any results up. :) I would have thought they would have had some live games.

tomek_rej
10-11-2005, 05:22 PM
The results are up just not very conspicuosly.
If you click the link on the top right of the page labelled World Junior Chess championship this will open a new window with the results.
George drew his first game to GM Yue Wang, and is playing GM Igor Kurnosov today.

Brian_Jones
10-11-2005, 05:30 PM
Watch out for untitled Chinese player Wang Hao. He is very good - scored 10/11 in Malaysian Open - see game against Ian Rogers in Australian Chess magazine.

antichrist
10-11-2005, 05:44 PM
The results are up just not very conspicuosly.
If you click the link on the top right of the page labelled World Junior Chess championship this will open a new window with the results.
George drew his first game to GM Yue Wang, and is playing GM Igor Kurnosov today.

Come on George, do it for Hyde Park and SEC.

Rincewind
10-11-2005, 05:46 PM
..., do it for ... SEC.

Careful, AC, it's becoming about you again. ;)

Best wishes for George Xie!

four four two
10-11-2005, 06:34 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea of what George needs to score to get his last IM norm? :hmm:

pax
10-11-2005, 09:47 PM
Watch out for untitled Chinese player Wang Hao. He is very good - scored 10/11 in Malaysian Open - see game against Ian Rogers in Australian Chess magazine.

He won't be untitled for much longer. He is GM elect I believe. I would rate Hao as one of the favourites.

pax
10-11-2005, 09:57 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea of what George needs to score to get his last IM norm? :hmm:

Depends entirely on the field he plays. The average rating looks to be around 2380. If he doesn't play any unrated players, he would probably need around a +2 score.

Anyone know how many rounds it is? I'm assuming 11.

jenni
11-11-2005, 09:06 AM
Anyone know how many rounds it is? I'm assuming 11.

It is 13 rounds with 1 rest day (after round 6).

Vlad
11-11-2005, 09:58 AM
George is very consistent in playing 2600 by white and 2200 by black. Round 3 is going to be a piece of cake for him. He is lucky with the colors again; he started with white. If colors will not change he will have 7 whites and 6 blacks.

pax
11-11-2005, 03:35 PM
George is very consistent in playing 2600 by white and 2200 by black. Round 3 is going to be a piece of cake for him. He is lucky with the colors again; he started with white. If colors will not change he will have 7 whites and 6 blacks.

The difference is nowhere near as dramatic as you make out. His record on Chessbase is +36-14=11 with white, and +29-18=16 with black. A pretty normal looking statistic, in fact.

The difference was more marked at the Asian Champs, but that was just one tournament.

Garvinator
12-11-2005, 01:50 AM
http://www.tsf.org.tr/worldchess/boys03.htm

World Junior Championship (Boys) U20
Round 3 on 2005/11/11 at 15:30


Bo. SNo. Name Pts Res. Pts Name SNo.
1 1 GM Mamedyarov Shakhriyar 2 2 IM Heberla Bartlomiej 26
2 25 IM Lenic Luka 2 2 GM Wojtaszek Radoslaw 4
3 7 GM Tomashevsky Evgeny 2 2 FM Terrieux Kevin 46
4 29 FM Kuderinov Kirill 2 2 GM Predojevic Borki 10
5 39 FM Wei Chenpeng 2 2 IM Romanov Evgeny 24
6 41 IM Esen Baris 2 1 GM Gashimov Vugar 3
7 5 GM Berkes Ferenc 1 1 IM Magalashvili Davit 28
8 37 IM Poobesh Anand S 1 1 GM Nyback Tomi 8
9 9 GM Stellwagen Daniel 1 1 FM Sanikidze Tornike 34
10 11 IM Kharitonov Alexandr 1 1 Karakehajov Kalin 38
11 33 IM Cornette Matthieu 1 1 IM L'ami Erwin 12
12 15 GM Smeets Jan 1 1 FM Sulashvili Malkhaz 40
13 88 Khuseinkhodzhaev Muhammad 1 1 GM Kurnosov Igor 16
14 19 IM Mamedov Nidjat 1 1 Li Chao(B) 59
15 21 GM Moradiabadi Elshan 1 1 Wen Yang 44
16 51 FM El Debs Felipe De Cresce 1 1 GM Alekseev Evgeny 2
17 54 Gopal G N 1 1 GM Wang Yue 6
18 55 Aleskerov Faik 1 1 IM Zhigalko Andrey 14
19 17 Wang Hao 1 1 Nava Roderick 57
20 56 Macak Stefan 1 1 IM Laznicka Viktor 18
21 58 FM Carron Julien 1 1 GM Bartel Mateusz 20
22 60 Jessel Stephen 1 1 IM Zhigalko Sergei 22
23 23 IM Zinchenko Yaroslav 1 1 Kvon Andrey 61
24 62 FM Citak Selim 1 1 Babujian Levon 30
25 31 FM Papin Vasily 1 1 FM Kurmann Oliver 63
26 66 Akshat Khamparia 1 1 IM Rau Hannes 32
27 35 Rohit Gogineni 1 1 Amanov Mesgen 67
28 68 Lettieri Giuseppe 1 1 IM Sengupta Deep 36
29 72 Shlykov Vitali 1 1 IM Livshits Gaby 42
30 45 FM Perdomo Leandro 1 1 Laval Brice 73
31 48 Negi Parimarjan 1 1 Yagiz Yasin Emrah 75
32 74 Samakov Nurdin 1 1 FM Glud Jacob Vang 49
33 13 IM Khairullin Ildar 1 Mosetlhe Kgaugelo 89
34 43 Grecescu Gabriel-Andrei Moosavian S Hamed 69
35 50 Tikkanen Hans Ouakhir Mehdi 71
36 52 FM Xie George Wendi Tulay Berkay 77
37 78 Zeynalov Farid FM Jojua Davit 53
38 64 Can Emre Tanrikulu Erhan 79
39 80 IM Stander Heinrich Maenhout Thibaut 65
40 27 FM Barnaure Vlad-Victor 0 0 Uesugi Shinsaku 84
41 86 Acuner Emrah 0 0 Krivokapic Marko 47
42 70 Pileckis Emilis 0 0 Lauda Alexandr 85
43 76 Bekkat Azeddinne 0 0 De Bruyn Leon W 87
44 90 Sarwary Hamidullah 0 0 Uzun Fuat 81
45 82 Cil Hasan Kivanc 0 0 Tasdelen Deniz Murat 91
46 92 Villa Ronald 0 0 Agdestein Emil 83

The_Wise_Man
12-11-2005, 02:24 AM
George in the background in round 2!

Garvinator
12-11-2005, 02:28 AM
Nice to see they spared absolutely no expense with the boards? on those tables ;) :(

four four two
12-11-2005, 08:40 AM
Well I guess they didnt want to spend $10,000 on decent boards,just hope the clocks are in fine order. ;)

four four two
13-11-2005, 11:10 AM
Check out the photos in round 1,there is a guy interviewing people in an outfit not that disimilar from DRACULA! :lol:

pax
14-11-2005, 09:23 AM
Crosstable here:
http://www.tsf.org.tr/worldchess/boyscross.htm

George is on 2.5/5, having lost to IM Khairullin (2537) in round 4, and beaten Shlykov (2238) [with black :hmm: ] in round 5. The table lists his current RP as 2412, so he is nearly on track for an IM norm.

pax
15-11-2005, 10:36 AM
George lost (with white) to GM Moriabadi in Rd 6, and will need a win in Rd 7 to keep norm hopes alive.

Meanwhile Mamedyarov won again to take a full point lead. He now looks odds on to become the first player ever to win the World Junior twice (not that many have tried).

jenni
18-11-2005, 09:17 AM
Go George! A win against IM Luka Lenic (2476) puts him on 4.5 out of 8. He draws down to play Levon Babujian (2429) today.

According to the cross table George has a performance rating of 2457 against an average of opponents of 2414. He has played 3 GM's and 2 IM's.

Keeping fingers crossed for today. :)

pax
18-11-2005, 11:34 AM
Go George! A win against IM Luka Lenic (2476)

with black.... again!

2200 my arse.

Rp is now over the magic 2450 mark!

pax
18-11-2005, 07:46 PM
George is very consistent in playing 2600 by white and 2200 by black. Round 3 is going to be a piece of cake for him. He is lucky with the colors again; he started with white. If colors will not change he will have 7 whites and 6 blacks.

Rating performances so far: 2353 with white, 2587 with black.

Predictions have a way of coming back to bite you don't they :owned:

Rincewind
18-11-2005, 07:59 PM
Rating performances so far: 2353 with white, 2587 with black.

Predictions have a way of coming back to bite you don't they :owned:

Ah, lies, lies and damned statistics.

One of my favourite quotes which I don't know from rote, runs along the lines...

Everyone believes the exponential law of error. Mathematicians because they believe it has been demonstrated experimentally; and experimentalists because they believe it can be proven mathematically.

jay_vee
18-11-2005, 09:41 PM
Rp is now over the magic 2450 mark!

Yep, a draw today (Rd. 9) with the white pieces should be just good enough for a 9-round-IM norm.

pax
19-11-2005, 06:53 AM
George wins!

That now gives him a comfortable 9 round norm (and the title, once he gets his rating over 2400), with an overall Rp of 2495.

He is now sitting in =15th, just 1 point away from 2nd place. Mamedyarov is absolutely steamrolling the field, with 8.5/9 and a clear 2 point lead.

jenni
19-11-2005, 12:39 PM
I would have thought his performance in the 2 tournaments he has got his norms from might be enough to put him over the 2400 mark? If not, he will just have to do well in Aus Champs and Queenstown. :)

I am delighted to see George get his norms. He is a very modest, friendly young man and has a passion for chess.

Oepty
19-11-2005, 09:26 PM
Congratulations to George for excellent performances and his IM norms. It is great to have another IM, may there be many more soon.
Scott

pax
19-11-2005, 09:56 PM
I would have thought his performance in the 2 tournaments he has got his norms from might be enough to put him over the 2400 mark? If not, he will just have to do well in Aus Champs and Queenstown. :)

It looks like his performance so far will put him a few points shy of 2400, but if he maintains his form over the last 4 rounds he may just get there.

Garvinator
20-11-2005, 07:18 AM
It looks like his performance so far will put him a few points shy of 2400, but if he maintains his form over the last 4 rounds he may just get there.
a loss for xie in round 10 :(

13 24 IM Romanov Evgeny 2479 RUS 5 1 - 0 5 FM Xie George Wendi 2340 AUS 52

How does this affect his norm chances?

arosar
20-11-2005, 08:35 AM
a loss for xie in round 10 :(

13 24 IM Romanov Evgeny 2479 RUS 5 1 - 0 5 FM Xie George Wendi 2340 AUS 52

How does this affect his norm chances?

I thought pax said he already got the norm. Just need 2400 rating next.

AR

pax
20-11-2005, 09:19 AM
I thought pax said he already got the norm. Just need 2400 rating next.

AR

Yes. In fact, his Rp is still over 2450 so I guess it's a 10 rd norm.

Bill Gletsos
20-11-2005, 10:24 AM
Yes. In fact, his Rp is still over 2450 so I guess it's a 10 rd norm.He has a 9 game norm.
According to FIDE regulations he can ignore subseqent results, hence rounds 10-13 are irrelevant.


1.42f A player who has achieved a title result before the last round may ignore all games played subsequently, provided he has met the required mix of opponents

pax
20-11-2005, 02:44 PM
He has a 9 game norm.
According to FIDE regulations he can ignore subseqent results, hence rounds 10-13 are irrelevant.

You missed my point. He still has an Rp over 2450, so can claim a 10 round norm (not that he needs it) irrespective of his later results.

Bill Gletsos
20-11-2005, 03:16 PM
You missed my point. He still has an Rp over 2450, so can claim a 10 round norm (not that he needs it) irrespective of his later results.I didnt miss it, I just deemed it irrelevant.
The only relevance of a 10 round norm would have been if he needed 10 games to make the 27 game minimum.
However although he only needed 7 games to get the total of 27 games this event does not qualify for granting of a 7 round norm.
Therefore he needed a minimum 9 games.
As such once he had his 9 game norm all other results became irrelevant.

pax
20-11-2005, 03:53 PM
I didnt miss it, I just deemed it irrelevant.
The only relevance of a 10 round norm would have been if he needed 10 games to make the 27 game minimum.
However although he only needed 7 games to get the total of 27 games this event does not qualify for granting of a 7 round norm.
Therefore he needed a minimum 9 games.
As such once he had his 9 game norm all other results became irrelevant.

Well that much was already plain from earlier posts.

arosar
22-11-2005, 07:13 PM
After 2 stumbles, Xie draws and goes up to 6 points.

AR

pax
23-11-2005, 04:30 PM
I guess George took his foot off the gas a bit after securing his IM norms. That, or got a bit tired after such a long haul of chess on the road. Either way, his timing was impeccable.

He finished with 0,0,=,0 to finish on 6/13. His Rp in the end was 2387, so he will have to wait for Brisbane and Queenstown for the opportunity to get over the magic 2400 mark.

(or he could always fix up a dodgy match with a mate and get it FIDE rated ;) )

Rhubarb
25-11-2005, 12:39 AM
Congrats to George on his recent excellent results.

One thing, if you have all the norms for a title claim, you only need to hit 2400 at any time (mid-list that is, it need not be a published rating). Whether George hit 2400 when he was on 5.5/9 in the World Junior, I don't know, but it must have been close. Pax or Bill would be able to work this out fairly quickly, but otherwise I'll have a look on the weekend.

pax
25-11-2005, 06:41 AM
Congrats to George on his recent excellent results.

One thing, if you have all the norms for a title claim, you only need to hit 2400 at any time (mid-list that is, it need not be a published rating). Whether George hit 2400 when he was on 5.5/9 in the World Junior, I don't know, but it must have been close. Pax or Bill would be able to work this out fairly quickly, but otherwise I'll have a look on the weekend.

Not quite, unofrtunately. By my estimation, he was a few points short (about 2395).