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tlovett
15-09-2005, 06:44 AM
Could someone please advise me as to the differences (other than price and height of king) between these two sets:
http://www.thechesspiece.com/proddetail.asp?prod=G%2D205%2D940

and

http://www.chessbaron.com/chess-X3018.htm

This is for a birthday and I hope for it to last a long time. Alternative suggestions are welcome.
Thanks,
Tim

PHAT
15-09-2005, 08:09 AM
Buy local. There are several chess specialists in Autralia.

Price does not equal the robustness (longevity) of the pieces. The longest lasting and toughest is plastic - yuk, pov!. But quality woods last quite well enough.

Only buy standard size. smaller looks dinky, larger looks gauche.

Buy what feels like quality it your hand - ie heavy without building muscles. So, you need to physically go to a shop.

Buy what fits with the owner's personality. However, try to buy only "staunton" style. Everything else wreaks of wannabe.

Buy a board too. Great pieces are distroyed by a cheep looking, wrong coloured, board of a different scale.

Hope this helps. :D

Kevin Bonham
15-09-2005, 01:47 PM
Hi Tim,

The second one not only has a smaller king but is also slightly smaller overall - to suit board with squares of 2 inches compared with 2 1/4. The latter is a common tournament play size. It's useful to match the size of pieces to the size of board you want to use correctly - especially if the pieces are too large for the squares the board can look too cramped.

Where are you? If you're anywhere in Australia we can probably advise of a local chess supplier.

Rincewind
15-09-2005, 02:52 PM
A useful rule of thumb to size a board and piece combination for a Staunton set is that the diameter of the base of the pawn should be around 1/2 the length of the edge of an individual square. Therefore you should be able to just fit 4 pawns into one square. I would use this is a rough guide and then be governed by your own sense of asthetics as handcrafted sets (even those following the basic Staunton pattern) vary quite a bit. Good luck.

antichrist
15-09-2005, 03:45 PM
I did not look at your sites but wooden is better than plastic, because plastic eventually grind away at the edges and look terrible. Timber don't and feel natural. But they can look soggy after about 10 years of use. But they are not cheap unless purchased under the railway overpass at Quiapo markets in downtown Manila. And narra hardwood is the best.

tlovett
16-09-2005, 06:58 AM
Thanks for the advice, I'm in the states.. so this weekend I'll visit Washington Square Park and find myself a nice set. Secondary question.. is this primarily an Australian forum??

Rincewind
16-09-2005, 07:55 AM
Thanks for the advice, I'm in the states.. so this weekend I'll visit Washington Square Park and find myself a nice set. Secondary question.. is this primarily an Australian forum??

Primarily yes, the vast majority of members are Australian. However, we don't make any effort to maintain exclusivity. All are welcome.

four four two
16-09-2005, 12:03 PM
It would be nice for overseas players to share their experiences with us,there is an english guy and a dutch guy who posts here occasionally,so dont be shy about being a foreigner. ;) :cool:

antichrist
16-09-2005, 01:18 PM
As long as you are not a big-mouth Yankee!

arosar
16-09-2005, 01:59 PM
You're embarassing!

Control yourself for God's sake.

AR

Dozy
16-09-2005, 02:05 PM
You're embarassing!

Control yourself for God's sake.

AR
Hey, AC, how does this sit with the sensibilities you expressed in the "Does God Exist" thread:

It insults the intelligence and feeling of thinking atheistic people to "God bless them".

Frank Walker
16-09-2005, 08:26 PM
Where did my previous post go? :hmm:

bunta
19-09-2005, 03:36 PM
Buy local. There are several chess specialists in Autralia.

Price does not equal the robustness (longevity) of the pieces. The longest lasting and toughest is plastic - yuk, pov!. But quality woods last quite well enough.

Only buy standard size. smaller looks dinky, larger looks gauche.

Buy what feels like quality it your hand - ie heavy without building muscles. So, you need to physically go to a shop.

Buy what fits with the owner's personality. However, try to buy only "staunton" style. Everything else wreaks of wannabe.

Buy a board too. Great pieces are distroyed by a cheep looking, wrong coloured, board of a different scale.

Hope this helps. :D

i like those heavier chess piece sets, there a bit dear but there generally good quality and also something different from the standard piece sets (lighter plastic)

antichrist
19-09-2005, 06:09 PM
Hey, AC, how does this sit with the sensibilities you expressed in the "Does God Exist" thread:

I usually like AR's feisty one-liners and with him it is only figures of expression - not every ruddy post like Macavity

Frank Walker
20-09-2005, 06:52 PM
You can buy one of these Plastic Rip-offs. (Cost a fair bit)

http://www.chesskids.com.au/equipment.htm

:whistle:

Rincewind
20-09-2005, 07:02 PM
You can buy one of these Plastic Rip-offs. (Cost a fair bit)

http://www.chesskids.com.au/equipment.htm

:whistle:

$35 for a set and board isn't OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive, is it?

For expensive look for some non-Indian manufactured wooden sets. You're talking $100 if not $1000. Or maybe look to ebay a Jacques set from >100 years ago and in good nick. :whistle:

Frank Walker
20-09-2005, 07:22 PM
The point i am making is that 35 dollars for a PLASTIC set is not worth it

Alan Shore
20-09-2005, 07:58 PM
The point i am making is that 35 dollars for a PLASTIC set is not worth it

They usually sell glass sets for $10 - have seen them around.

I have a marble set but it's actually part of a makeshift construction now propping up my TV!

Yeah, guess $35 is kind of a rip. Considering they'd cost about $5 to make, heh.

Rhubarb
20-09-2005, 08:14 PM
Yeah, guess $35 is kind of a rip. Considering they'd cost about $5 to make, heh.Yeah, well they're not manufactured in Australia so there's freight, import duty, customs duty, insurance, storage costs, employees' pay etc etc etc, before you even start talking about margin. Having said that, I believe Chess Discount Sales sells them standard considerably cheaper and with bulk discounts.

Frank Walker
20-09-2005, 08:21 PM
Prolly made in sweat shops for 30 cents a set.

DANG IMPORTS

Rhubarb
20-09-2005, 08:49 PM
Prolly made in sweat shops for 30 cents a set.

DANG IMPORTSAFAIK, the ones CDS buys are from China, which while still a developing nation and probably not exactly a worker's paradise, is a long way past the sweat shops and child labour outfits employed by Western companies that you're concerned about.

Frank Walker
20-09-2005, 08:55 PM
is AFRAIK surposed to be Afraid...
Could mean anything nowadays

Bill Gletsos
20-09-2005, 09:12 PM
is AFRAIK surposed to be Afraid...
Could mean anything nowadaysAFAIK = As far as I know.

Alan Shore
20-09-2005, 10:44 PM
Yeah, well they're not manufactured in Australia so there's freight, import duty, customs duty, insurance, storage costs, employees' pay etc etc etc, before you even start talking about margin. Having said that, I believe Chess Discount Sales sells them standard considerably cheaper and with bulk discounts.

Wow, wasn't aware of that... sounds to me like there should be sufficient market for production here (but only if it looks like chess is gaining popularity... unfortunately, tournament entries have dropped considerably in QLD this year).

Rincewind
21-09-2005, 01:04 AM
AFAIK, the ones CDS buys are from China, which while still a developing nation and probably not exactly a worker's paradise, is a long way past the sweat shops and child labour outfits employed by Western companies that you're concerned about.

You'd have to look at the qualify of the plasic and weight. I think ACE sells two plastic sets at different weights and prices but not sure where Brian gets his gear from. From memory Peter's is cheaper but again would need to compare apples with apples. Ultra cheap plastic sets are sometimes available (not Peter's I mean like from shops with names name Price Liquidators Emporium of Cheap Crap) but they are invariable worthless.

Also from CDS you'd also need to factor in the board which is 7-8 dollars for a vinyl rollup, from memory.

So I have to go back to my original position that $35 for a single, decent plastic set and board is not a rip-off. Something slightly cheaper might be available from CDS and would need to be compared with others things available so see if the weight and/or plastic quality varies.

Rhubarb
21-09-2005, 01:16 AM
You'd have to look at the qualify of the plasic and weight. I think ACE sells two plastic sets at different weights and prices but not sure where Brian gets his gear from. From memory Peter's is cheaper but again would need to compare apples with apples. Ultra cheap plastic sets are sometimes available (not Peter's I mean like from shops with names name Price Liquidators Emporium of Cheap Crap) but they are invariable worthless.

Also from CDS you'd also need to factor in the board which is 7-8 dollars for a vinyl rollup, from memory.

So I have to go back to my original position that $35 for a single, decent plastic set and board is not a rip-off. Something slightly cheaper might be available from CDS and would need to be compared with others things available so see if the weight and/or plastic quality varies.Yes I agree that you have to look at the exact sets, but I was referring to CDS's standard tournament board (not roll-up) for $7.95 and standard tournament set for $16.95 - so $25 for the two.

piecelover
27-06-2006, 12:26 PM
Recently I came across a post (on another forum) about chess sets and what are we looking for in a chess set. This guy reffered to some interesting advices about buying chess sets at this adress (http://www.geocities.com/bewise.chessets/) but more importantly he implicitly brought up this question: Is our play sometimes affected by chess sets? Do you feel more confident playing a move with a nice wooden queen that feels just right in your hands or perhaps with a broken plastic rook that's light as a feather? Or have you ever felt that you were playing on "away" field when your opponent brought a chess set you never saw?

Basil
27-06-2006, 01:23 PM
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