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PHAT
26-08-2005, 08:08 AM
1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 e6 3. Bd3 c5 4. c3 Qc7 5. Ne2 c4 6. Bc2 b5 7. b4 Bb7 8. f3 Bd6 9. e4 Bxh2 10. e5 Bxe5 11. dxe5 Qxe5 12. Bf4 Qd5 13. Qxd5 Nxd5 14. Rxh7 Rxh7 15. Bxh7 g6 16. Nd2 Nxf4 17. Nxf4 Kf8 18. Bxg6 fxg6 19. Nxg6+ Kg7 20. Ne5 d6 21. Ng4 d5 22. Ne5 Nc6 23. Nxc6 Bxc6 24. Ke2 Rh8 25. Ke3 Rh2 26. Rg1 Kf6 27. Nf1 Rh5 28. f4 e5 29. g3 Rh3 30. fxe5+ Kxe5 31. Nd2 Be8 32. Nf3+ Kf6 33. Kf4 Bg6 34. Rd1 Bd3 35. Re1 Be4 36. Ng5 Rh2 37. Nxe4+ dxe4 38. Kxe4 Rxa2 39. Kd5 Ra3 40. Kd4 a6 41. Re4 a5 42. bxa5 Rxa5 43. Re3 Ra8 44. Kc5 Rb8 45. Kb4 Rb7 46. g4 Rb8 47. Rf3+ Kg5 48. Rf5+ Kxg4 49. Rxb5 Ra8 50. Kxc4 Ra1 51. Rd5 Kf4 52. Kd4 Rd1+ 53. Kc5 Rc1 54. c4 Ke4 55. Rd8 Ke5 56. Re8+ Kf6 57. Kd5 Rd1+ 58. Kc6 Kf7 59. Re2 Kf6 60. c5 Rc1

I would like an opinion on this game. Please, no comments on tactics - I have found problems there - only on stratergy.

Thanks.

Jesse Jager
26-08-2005, 08:37 AM
i think the main problem with your play was that u played for c4 way to early :lol: The problem with this plan is that black's position becomes to static, too early. Whitle should be able to play an early b3 followed by a4 :D

Trent Parker
26-08-2005, 10:04 AM
Hey matt.

Thats a really wierd game there!

You need to keep pressure on d4

playing c4 is generally not good. It releases the pressure off the d4 square and frees white up somewhat to play e4. Colle players love positions where c4 is played. Especially if they can play the bishop back to c2 or b1.

Spiny Norman
26-08-2005, 11:38 AM
Maybe your 21. ... d5 move locks in your bishop? Then later you bring the bishop around in front of the pawns, making it a target.

PHAT
26-08-2005, 03:43 PM
i think the main problem with your play was that u played for c4 way to early :lol: The problem with this plan is that black's position becomes to static, too early. Whitle should be able to play an early b3 followed by a4 :D

Thanks mate, I will have a long look at that idea. :thumbsup:

PHAT
26-08-2005, 03:45 PM
Hey matt.

Thats a really wierd game there!

You need to keep pressure on d4

playing c4 is generally not good. It releases the pressure off the d4 square and frees white up somewhat to play e4. Colle players love positions where c4 is played. Especially if they can play the bishop back to c2 or b1.

Thanks for those ideas Trent. I will have a hard look at them
:thumbsup:

PHAT
26-08-2005, 03:53 PM
Maybe your 21. ... d5 move locks in your bishop? Then later you bring the bishop around in front of the pawns, making it a target.

Thanks for confirming I delemore I had with that 21... d4 move. I have never thought that a bishop could be thought of as a target. So, I will give that some thought. . Thanks for the response :thumbsup:

PHAT
26-08-2005, 04:00 PM
Opinions please.

Was it a mistake to deliberately try to swap my bishop for knight (by playing 35. ... Be4) ?

Kevin Bonham
26-08-2005, 04:31 PM
Very interesting game. You played quite well for your rating and just fell over at the end although there were chances for both sides to do better along the way.

6...c4 is provocative and unorthodox (it's not the worst ...c4 I've seen but generally an early P-B5 in a Q-pawn opening against a Q4/B3 pawn structure is rubbish for the side playing it). Most people would play 6...d5 (yes, it blocks in your bishop but White's is also blocked in). 8...Bd6 really is dodgy - the fork threat 9.e4 forces Black to either back off or go into all the messy tactics that happened and left you worse for quite a while (although maybe not in real terms because the ways for White to make it stick according to Fritz are not that easy to see OTB). Possibly don't worry so much about the centre, throw in 8...a5 and play on the queenside, at least this is a consistent plan with having a pawn on c4. After 8...Bd6 White was better until he prematurely gave up the bishop on move 18 and then he was struggling a bit.

24...e5 was crying out to be played and probably wins - Black will win something or get a very strong passed pawn or two after ...d4 to follow.

In the endgame 41...a5 is where it finally goes wrong strategically IMO. You're swapping pawns, presumably to try to get a draw, but the problem with that is it makes the base of your pawn chain b5 not a6, which is closer to his king and c-pawn. This means it is easier for him to go after those pawns with his king while also using his king to look after the c-pawn, which ultimately costs you the game. Easier (not a complete no-brainer though) to hold if you leave the a-pawn where it is and keep threatening to rip off the c-pawn if White goes after the a-pawn. Push your king up towards the g-pawn too. After 41...a5 I don't see how you can avoid the KRP vs KR ending.


Opinions please.

Was it a mistake to deliberately try to swap my bishop for knight (by playing 35. ... Be4) ?

I think it was OK and the mistake was after.

Was White rather higher rated?

PHAT
27-08-2005, 12:17 AM
Very interesting game. You played quite well for your rating and just fell over at the end although there were chances for both sides to do better along the way.
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Was White rather higher rated?

Serious instant catastrophes are what usually bring me undone :lol:

White is 1647.



6...c4 is provocative and unorthodox (it's not the worst ...c4 I've seen but generally an early P-B5 in a Q-pawn opening against a Q4/B3 pawn structure is rubbish for the side playing it). Most people would play 6...d5 (yes, it blocks in your bishop but White's is also blocked in).

OK, but I get board stiff with symetrical stuff. A case of the heart ruling the head.


8...Bd6 really is dodgy - the fork threat 9.e4 forces Black to either back off or go into all the messy tactics that happened and left you worse for quite a while (although maybe not in real terms because the ways for White to make it stick according to Fritz are not that easy to see OTB).

Messy is good fun :D and you are right I/we fortunately don't play against Fritz, but against falables.


24...e5 was crying out to be played and probably wins - Black will win something or get a very strong passed pawn or two after ...d4 to follow.

Agreed that e5 should happen, but I was desperate to possess the h-file. I though that that was winning(ish).



In the endgame 41...a5 is where it finally goes wrong strategically IMO. You're swapping pawns, presumably to try to get a draw, but the problem with that is it makes the base of your pawn chain b5 not a6, which is closer to his king and c-pawn. ... Easier (not a complete no-brainer though) to hold if you leave the a-pawn where it is and keep threatening to rip off the c-pawn if White goes after the a-pawn. Push your king up towards the g-pawn too.

Dead right. Thank you very much. :D

The Lesson is: Let the other king go hunting alone, way down the board,
while you go hunting with your pieces. :clap:

Kevin Bonham
27-08-2005, 12:35 AM
I'm actually not convinced that 6...c4 is objectively bad. And mixing it up is a good ploy given the 350-point rating difference. Really a very good try, just your ending wasn't up to it.