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PHAT
16-08-2005, 05:53 PM
In the penultimate round of the U1600 Sydney Grade Matches, one or our opponents went bonkers after losing to our 14 year old player. Jumping up, swearing at us, and pointing at us individually, he called our “European” members and spectators Gypsies and the rest of us bastards of various types. He lunged our captain and threatened to “deck” him. The DOP, Peter Cassetari was witness to this fracas. He was unable to quiet the player even though he is also his club mate, and as a result had to order him out of the venue.

We (Wollongong) submitted a complaint to the NSWCA over this very serious incident. The behavior of this serial pest and bully, was every bit as serious as the Ilic incident (NSW Open 2004.) Ilic was immediately banned from all NSWCA events, and later was given a 2 year suspension.

Three days later after we sent the complaint, I was banned from playing NSWCA events until 2007. The ban is for language and comments made 5 months previously, on a private bulletin board, which was run by and paid for by me. Payback?

Incredibly, the player who threatened us a month ago, and is the club mate of NSWCA council heavy weight Peter Cassetari, played in the NSWCA City of Sydney Rapid last weekend.


The NSWCA appears to be playing favorites and creating boogymen. As if ordinary incompetence is not enough for the NSWCA council, it has to now add dodgy dealings to its list of failings.



Save Our Souls.

Trent Parker
16-08-2005, 07:32 PM
Matt. What happened with your banning? weren't you asked to provide a reason why action should not be taken against you? Yes you did. Didn't you have your opportunity to come to the council meeting where your disciplinary actions were to be discussed? Yes you did. Don't you think this other person deserves the same proceedure? Ilic had this opportunity. The matter was brought to the councils attention too close to the July meeting so we could not discuss it much there other than to ask to show cause why disciplinary action should not be taken.......

Bill Gletsos
16-08-2005, 07:35 PM
In the penultimate round of the U1600 Sydney Grade Matches,You cannot get even the simplist of facts correct.
As the situation occurred on in round 9 and the U1600 Grades was 11 rounds then it did not occur in the penultimate round (10) at all.

one or our opponents went bonkers after losing to our 14 year old player. Jumping up, swearing at us, and pointing at us individually, he called our “European” members and spectators Gypsies and the rest of us bastards of various types. He lunged our captain and threatened to “deck” him. The DOP, Peter Cassetari was witness to this fracas. He was unable to quiet the player even though he is also his club mate, and as a result had to order him out of the venue.

We (Wollongong) submitted a complaint to the NSWCA over this very serious incident. The behavior of this serial pest and bully, was every bit as serious as the Ilic incident (NSW Open 2004.) Ilic was immediately banned from all NSWCA events, and later was given a 2 year suspension.Another incorrect statement.
Ilic was not banned immediately.
He offended at the NSW Open on 12th June 2004.
The matter was discussed at the 24th June 2004. At that meeting in line with the NSWCA Constitution Ilic was sent a letter to show cause.
At the 29th July Council meeting Ilic was debarred from 29th July for a period of 2 years.

Three days later after we sent the complaint, I was banned from playing NSWCA events until 2007. The ban is for language and comments made 5 months previously, on a private bulletin board, which was run by and paid for by me. Payback?I wont dignify this scurrilous claim with a comment.


Incredibly, the player who threatened us a month ago, and is the club mate of NSWCA council heavy weight Peter Cassetari, played in the NSWCA City of Sydney Rapid last weekend.You dont have to be an Einstein to work out why.
He cannot be banned until after being given the opportunity to respond.
The person you refer to offended on July 20th 2005.
The Captain of Wollongong lodged a complaint with the Grade Match Arbiter on 21st July.
The Grade Match Arbiter informed the Council on 22nd July and the item was added by the Secretary to the agenda on 22nd July for the 28th July Council meeting.
The matter was discussed at the July Council meeting and it was decided a show cause letter should be sent to the offender.
I would expect a decsion will be made with regards a suspension at the August Council meeting.

The NSWCA appears to be playing favorites and creating boogymen. As if ordinary incompetence is not enough for the NSWCA council, it has to now add dodgy dealings to its list of failings.Utter rubbish. As usual you took no action to try and determine the facts before making your claims.
It is no wonder you have no credibility.

Save Our Souls.Yes, from your scurrilous claims.

arosar
16-08-2005, 07:46 PM
Just on this note, what was Brett Tindall's performance in the Grade Matches?

AR

PHAT
17-08-2005, 12:04 AM
You cannot get even the simplist of facts correct.
As the situation occurred on in round 9 and the U1600 Grades was 11 rounds then it did not occur in the penultimate round (10) at all.

OK. The antipenultimate round. So kill me. :rolleyes:




Ilic was not banned immediately.
He offended at the NSW Open on 12th June 2004.
The matter was discussed at the 24th June 2004. At that meeting in line with the NSWCA Constitution Ilic was sent a letter to show cause.
At the 29th July Council meeting Ilic was debarred from 29th July for a period of 2 years.

He was kicked out of the tournament and the venue and was told that if he returned, SECURITY would disembowel him. If there had been another NSWCA tournament the next weekend and he turned up to that he would not have been allowed to enter. Luckily there wasn't - I think.

If Ilic had been allowed to enter, the NSWCA would have been legally at risk of a massive claim had he played and jobbed someone. I hope that the NSWCA are not suggesting that a violent player should be allowed to keep playing until there has been a hearing.




He cannot be banned until after being given the opportunity to respond.
Total lies! If some other fool was to go the grope or thieve some equipment, they would be O-U-T until a hearing.


The person you refer to offended on July 20th 2005 ... I would expect a decsion will be made with regards a suspension at the August Council meeting.

So a person who goes bonkers and threatens players in an intimidating manner - a criminal assault BTW! - is for 5 weeks and at least one tournament, allowed to go about their usual MO.

NSWCA council has lost the plot! If a player in any other sport behaved in this manner, they would not be competing until after a/the hearing.

NSWCA should get some better legal advice, because had that player done a job on someone, which he looked like he might a the rapid, that $80k might have been vacuumed up into the pockets of lawyers.


I am pretty sure PC went in to bat for his club mate FK at the same meeting that I was shafted until 2007 for bad languge on a private bulletin board.

NSWCA is necrotic.

Bill Gletsos
17-08-2005, 12:10 AM
OK. The antipenultimate round. So kill me. :rolleyes:


He was kicked out of the tournament and the venue and was told that if he returned, SECURITY would disembowel him. If there had been another NSWCA tournament the next weekend and he turned up to that he would not have been allowed to enter. Luckily there wasn't - I think.

If Ilic had been allowed to enter, the NSWCA would have been legally at risk of a massive claim had he played and jobbed someone. I hope that the NSWCA are not suggesting that a violent player should be allowed to keep playing until there has been a hearing.



Total lies! If some other fool was to go the grope or thieve some equipment, they would be O-U-T until a hearing.



So a person who goes bonkers and threatens players in an intimidating manner - a criminal assault BTW! - is for 5 weeks and at least one tournament, allowed to go about their usual MO.

NSWCA council has lost the plot! If a player in any other sport behaved in this manner, they would not be competing until after a/the hearing.

NSWCA should get some better legal advice, because had that player done a job on someone, which he looked like he might a the rapid, that $80k might have been vacuumed up into the pockets of lawyers.


I am pretty sure PC went in to bat for his club mate FK at the same meeting that I was shafted until 2007 for bad languge on a private bulletin board.

NSWCA is necrotic.This is the biggest load of crap from you since you described yourself taking one on your blog.

The arbiter had the right to expel him from the event he was currently competing in (the NSW Open) but the NSWCA Constitution does not permit the NSWCA Council to suspend someone without sending them a letter and giving them the opportunity to respond either in writing or attend the next Council meeting in person.

PHAT
17-08-2005, 12:16 AM
Matt. What happened with your banning? weren't you asked to provide a reason why action should not be taken against you? Yes you did.
True.
Didn't you have your opportunity to come to the council meeting where your disciplinary actions were to be discussed? Yes you did. true
Don't you think this other person deserves the same proceedure? No, not for violent behaviour, witness by the DOP. Should be prevented from entering events until a/the hearing.
Ilic had this opportunity. True
The matter was brought to the councils attention too close to the July meeting so we could not discuss it much there other than to ask to show cause why disciplinary action should not be taken....... Utter crap, Trent. If grown men cannot come to a decission, [i]bassed on a captain's written account and the DOP's eye witness account, to rid this pest until a full hearing, then those grown men, as a group, need replacing.

Kevin Bonham
17-08-2005, 12:18 AM
He was kicked out of the tournament and the venue and was told that if he returned, SECURITY would disembowel him.

Who told him this and in what capacity? Of course, they did absolutely the right thing but I am just wondering if you are confusing the role of the state association with the role of the arbiter/organiser. Even if the event is run by the NSWCA that does not mean that a ban from a tournament venue imposed by an arbiter immediately is the same as a ban imposed by the State Association. Also the arbiter's ban would not have excluded Ilic from any other venue.

You state that Peter Cassettari banned the offender in your second case from the venue. So so far we have in both cases an arbiter banning an offender from the venue, and then the case being referred to the NSWCA for a further decision.

The initial actions taken by the organisers in the two cases mentioned seem consistent, and not having seen the NSWCA's ruling on the second case you have no case to say the NSWCA's post-event responses are inconsistent. So this just looks like a complete beat-up motivated by your antagonism towards the NSWCA but with no basis in reason whatsoever. Get some quality control.

Bill Gletsos
17-08-2005, 12:34 AM
True Utter crap, Trent. If grown men cannot come to a decission, [i]bassed on a captain's written account and the DOP's eye witness account, to rid this pest until a full hearing, then those grown men, as a group, need replacing.The only one sprouting true utter crap as usual is you because you have no clue.
Constitutionally the NSWCA cannot suspend a player from tournaments etc until they have been given the opportunity to respond in writing or in person.

themovingman
17-08-2005, 12:40 AM
OK. The antipenultimate round. So kill me. :rolleyes:



err - you keep saying private bulletin board - do you have something that stops the general public from viewing its content ??




I am pretty sure PC went in to bat for his club mate FK at the same meeting that I was shafted until 2007 for bad languge on a private bulletin board.

NSWCA is necrotic.

with my limited dealings with Peter he has always been balanced and sensible I feel your judgement about any meeting you were NOT at is ill-informed , and hasty since we have seen no action as things apparently grind their slow way thru a 'show cause' system. When I had to show cause re: my Uni course things took a while.

PHAT
17-08-2005, 12:54 AM
So this just looks like a complete beat-up motivated by your antagonism towards the NSWCA but with no basis in reason whatsoever. Get some quality control.

Stay out of NSW business.

PHAT
17-08-2005, 01:11 AM
Constitutionally the NSWCA cannot suspend a player from tournaments etc until they have been given the opportunity to respond in writing or in person.

Yes I can read the Constitution too.

There are alway ways around such stuff.

eg. NSWCA advises the DOP of the next event(s) that Mr X is in its opinion, a danger to other players - and could the DOP exercise what ever actions they feel necessary under the circumstances. The DOP has the right to reject an entry and would be well advised to give serious consideration to the information NSWCA had forwared to them.

The NSWCA council is as unimaginative as a pocket calculator.

The NSWCA has a duty of care to its members. Allowing a threatening and intimidating player to keep playing is an abrogation of that duty of care. But what else would we expect from a pocket calculator (without batteries!)

PHAT
17-08-2005, 01:14 AM
err - you keep saying private bulletin board - do you have something that stops the general public from viewing its content ??


Derrrrrr Movingslowlyman. UCJ was as private as ChessChat (here). And aren't we TOLD, at every turn, that ChessChat is private.

Kevin Bonham
17-08-2005, 01:31 AM
Stay out of NSW business.

You did not stay out of my business when you defamed me in terms that speculated about my private life on UCJ, nor did you remove such defamation when I sent you a PM requesting you to do so. As a result of this, although your attempts to defame me were laughably ineffectual (and based on outdated assumptions) I have decided that any stupidity you display in public on any issue anywhere is now my business if I choose to comment upon it.

However, should the NSWCA pass a motion requesting me to desist on commenting on NSWCA matters I will gladly do so. Until that stage I shall assume that NSW chessplayers in general have no objection. :owned:

Garvinator
17-08-2005, 01:46 AM
However, should the NSWCA pass a motion requesting me to desist on commenting on NSWCA matters I will gladly do so. Until that stage I shall assume that NSW chessplayers in general have no objection. :owned:
and of course you will want it in the form of a show cause letter ;)

PHAT
17-08-2005, 02:32 AM
You did not stay out of my business when you defamed me in terms that speculated about my private life on UCJ, nor did you remove such defamation when I sent you a PM requesting you to do so. As a result of this, although your attempts to defame me were laughably ineffectual ...

I am sure it was a trivial slag-off. In any case, sorry if I hurt someone's feelings (other than yours.) If did not answer your email, I should have, so sorry for that too.


I have decided that any stupidity you display in public on any issue anywhere is now my business if I choose to comment upon it.

Go for your life! Just stay out of NSW business.


However, should the NSWCA pass a motion requesting me to desist on commenting on NSWCA matters I will gladly do so. Until that stage I shall assume that NSW chessplayers in general have no objection. :owned:

:lol: Touche!

antichrist
17-08-2005, 11:45 AM
You did not stay out of my business when you defamed me in terms that speculated about my private life on UCJ, nor did you remove such defamation when I sent you a PM requesting you to do so. As a result of this, although your attempts to defame me were laughably ineffectual (and based on outdated assumptions) I have decided that any stupidity you display in public on any issue anywhere is now my business if I choose to comment upon it.

However, should the NSWCA pass a motion requesting me to desist on commenting on NSWCA matters I will gladly do so. Until that stage I shall assume that NSW chessplayers in general have no objection. :owned:


With my blessing 'into it KB!'. I can fully understand that all good controversies are in NSW (the convict state) and you outsiders are left high and dry.

GG, you are also welcome, and Starter, and FG7 for the opposing side.

EGOR
17-08-2005, 12:56 PM
With my blessing 'into it KB!'. I can fully understand that all good controversies are in NSW (the convict state) and you outsiders are left high and dry.

GG, you are also welcome, and Starter, and FG7 for the opposing side.
You're such a generous soul. ;)

PHAT
15-09-2005, 08:36 PM
FG7,

Yes I am banned until 2007. Guess I am not a favorite. Now is as good as ever to tip this next bucket of guano over a bunch of backstabbers.

As we all know, Ilic copped 2 years for threatening a DOP during an argument. A few months back, another player (FK) went bonkers threatening to "deck" my captain, calling us and various spectators every bastard under the sun, lunging at people. The DOP and NSWCA executive official was witness to all this. Despite the NSWCA offial being K's club mate, he was unable to control him and had to eject him from the premises.

Having witnessed both the Iliac and FK incidents, FK's was as serious or more so, than Ilic's. FK as also a serial offender.

What did FK cop?
Only 6 months.
Why not 2 years?
Because FK said he wouldn't do it again and he said that because he is a club mate of the NSWCA executive and knew it would be enough to get a 75% discount.

The way I see it, if you are willing to act all contrite and have mates in high places ......... I refuse to have a part of either of these, so I get the book chucked at me. The NSWCA looks worse than something floating in a New Orleans retirement village.

Trent Parker
16-09-2005, 07:57 PM
Matt.

the reasons for the lenient ban was because:
- the previous "offenses" were not taken into consideration because the arbiters said that no further action was required.
- He spoke to several council members and stated that he was sorry and that it will not happen again. (which is more that what you did)

Frank has also been warned that any future incidences will result in a 2 year ban.

Apparently Rooty Hill chess club has banned Frank from playing in any team competition for the forseeable future.....

PHAT
16-09-2005, 08:45 PM
Matt.

the reasons for the lenient ban was because:



Yes it WAS lenient ( as it should have been)


- the previous "offenses" were not taken into consideration because the arbiters said that no further action was required.

THAT is a travesty of justice. A repeat offender deserves a belting.


- He spoke to several council members and stated that he was sorry and that it will not happen again. (which is more that what you did)

Let me rephrase this to refect the true position. He suckholed and I did not.


Frank has also been warned that any future incidences will result in a 2 year ban.

No worries then. I bet you a beer he get 2 years within the next twelve months.


I all honesty, I thgink 12 months is about right. However, I draw attention to:

!. Ilic's 2 years for the same thing
2. My 2007 for **** all.

The NSWCA is a nest of vipers - you do not belong with them.

Gringo
16-09-2005, 09:12 PM
not sure about that, Trently seems to fit in nicely.......

Trent Parker
16-09-2005, 09:30 PM
!. Ilic's 2 years for the same thing
2. My 2007 for **** all.


Yeah i originally thought about at least the same length as you. I felt we had set a precedent..... :uhoh:

Edit: however i was in the vast minority.....

PHAT
17-09-2005, 01:17 AM
Yeah i originally thought about at least the same length as you. I felt we had set a precedent..... :uhoh:

Edit: however i was in the vast minority.....

Fair enough, mate. I understand . :)

When next I see FK doing his 'nana at another junior, female or little girl, again, I will advise them to seak legal advice for sueing the NSWCA for a duty of care issue.

What it **** are you doing associating with this cabal?

PHAT
17-09-2005, 01:18 AM
not sure about that, Trently seems to fit in nicely.......
Trent has ALWAYS been straight with me. He is to be trusted.