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Trent Parker
05-08-2005, 09:24 AM
.....ENTRIES CLOSE ON TUESDAY THE 9TH OF AUGUST!!!!!

Gotta be in it to win it........

alexmdc
05-08-2005, 08:16 PM
Hello,

I won the reserves last year (well the u2000) so does that mean I get to play in the top division this year?

Really?? Cool!

Alex

The_Wise_Man
10-08-2005, 04:21 PM
Now that entries have closed, do we have a list of entrants?

My guess is that Xie and Canfell will be two of the entrants....

Thunderspirit
10-08-2005, 05:00 PM
Hello,

I won the reserves last year (well the u2000) so does that mean I get to play in the top division this year?

Really?? Cool!

Alex

Well done Alex, enjoy the experience!

Lucena
15-08-2005, 05:42 PM
I heard that only 7 people had entered the Closed division by the deadline. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If so, does it mean that it will be a 7-player round robin?

Garvinator
15-08-2005, 05:57 PM
I heard that only 7 people had entered the Closed division by the deadline. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If so, does it mean that it will be a 7-player round robin?
I have received an email saying that the deadline is being extended till the 16th. Hope that helps from a qlder :uhoh:

eclectic
15-08-2005, 06:13 PM
I have received an email saying that the deadline is being extended till the 16th. Hope that helps from a qlder :uhoh:

why were you privy to such an email?

are you a surprise "foreign" participant or what?

:whistle:

eclectic

Garvinator
15-08-2005, 06:46 PM
why were you privy to such an email?

are you a surprise "foreign" participant or what?

:whistle:

eclectic
I am just on the tournament mailing list. Not sure why. I think its because I played in the nsw open last year or something.

The_Wise_Man
16-08-2005, 12:17 AM
Any news on the entrants of this tournament?

maybe the people who have already entered...

Wise

Bill Gletsos
16-08-2005, 12:21 AM
Any news on the entrants of this tournament?

maybe the people who have already entered...

WiseIt will be the top 9 rated plus Alex Mendes da Costa as he is the winner of last years U2000 event.

Lucena
16-08-2005, 11:15 AM
Does that mean there are now 10 players who have entered the NSW Chamops top division Bill?

The_Wise_Man
18-08-2005, 03:10 PM
In the absence of any official reply:

3 of the ten are Canfell, Zirdum, Mendes da Costa...

Can anyone add to the list....

Wise

Trent Parker
18-08-2005, 04:20 PM
Will announce tonight at about 8.00-8.30 after all applicants have been notified :D

Trent Parker
18-08-2005, 09:02 PM
The participants in the championship division are:
Greg Canfell
Max Fuller
Andrew Bird
Raymond Song
Romeo Capilitan
Ivan Zirdum
Quentin Reitmans
Bruce Murray
Jeff Cabilin
Alex Mendes Da Costa (2004 Major winner)

pax
19-08-2005, 10:35 AM
Pretty weak field this year?

Trent Parker
19-08-2005, 02:36 PM
Pretty weak field this year?yeah a little weak..... 3 players below 2000 - one just below..... one earned the right to play..... George Xie not playing due to study commitments.....

arosar
21-08-2005, 03:31 PM
And they should be off by now...

http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com/

AR

Lucena
21-08-2005, 10:34 PM
I hear there was some dispute in a game today over recording moves. Can anyone who was there clarify?

Trent Parker
22-08-2005, 10:52 AM
I dunno......

I played my game and left. I shall do some investigating tonight......

The_Wise_Man
22-08-2005, 08:44 PM
and maybe even results for the Championship for Round 1...

Thanks

Wise

Lucena
22-08-2005, 08:50 PM
I am told that these are the results for the closed division:

Canfell-Mendes da Costa 1-0
Bird-Song 1-0
Fuller-Reitmans 0.5-0.5
Capilitan-Zirdum 1F-0F
Murray-Cabilin 0-1 (pending appeal)

arosar
22-08-2005, 08:55 PM
pending appeal?

AR

Andrew Bird
22-08-2005, 08:59 PM
Wiseman,
The reserves is also a 10 player round robin. Not sure about the numbers in the U/1600.

The_Wise_Man
22-08-2005, 09:05 PM
Thanks Andrew...

and nice win against Raymond.... is this the start to some return to form?

Good luck with the rest of your games!

Wise

Trent Parker
23-08-2005, 10:42 AM
25 in U1600

Lucena
26-08-2005, 01:50 PM
Can someone post the draw?

Garvinator
26-08-2005, 02:12 PM
Can someone post the draw?
Why isnt the draw up on the website anywhere that I can find? :doh:

Lucena
26-08-2005, 02:22 PM
Why isnt the draw up on the website anywhere that I can find? :doh:

I haven't actually looked I just assumed it wasn't up there. But I will look and maybe I will have better luck.

Lucena
26-08-2005, 02:26 PM
nup. No luck.

Trent Parker
26-08-2005, 03:18 PM
Should be up some time today. There was some things that had to be settled......

Zirdum withdrew and Barak Atzmon-Simon will be playing in his place.

arosar
28-08-2005, 09:26 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, please visit the blog. Updates on today's NSW Ch and kegless annotates!

AR

alexmdc
28-08-2005, 10:08 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, please visit the blog. Updates on today's NSW Ch and kegless annotates!

AR

Well that was fun. I've had a very busy week with uni and work and it somehow crept into my thick stupid head that the round started at 3pm. So I got there at 3pm, and even sat down at the board before I realised there was no clock and I had been forfeited. Hooray!

It's great that if I had been two minutes earlier I still would have got a game.

Rhubarb
28-08-2005, 11:33 PM
Well that was fun. I've had a very busy week with uni and work and it somehow crept into my thick stupid head that the round started at 3pm. So I got there at 3pm, and even sat down at the board before I realised there was no clock and I had been forfeited. Hooray!

It's great that if I had been two minutes earlier I still would have got a game.Hi Alex, yes it was a couple of minutes past the advertised hour according to Mal's watch, according to Max's watch, and according to the wall clock (don't know about the game clock, which, of course, is actually irrelevant). If it makes you feel any better, I once forfeited the last round of a tournament I was leading because of uni exams and time mix-ups.

Another thing, you should have seen how keen Max was to claim a win on forfeit. He was scared of playing you, even with an extra hour on the clock!

jase
29-08-2005, 01:56 AM
If it makes you feel any better, I once forfeited the last round of a tournament I was leading because of uni exams and time mix-ups.


Ahhh, Greg, you do this colourful story such an injustice with this cool dismissal!! Uni exams and time mix-ups? You kill me :lol:

Thunderspirit
29-08-2005, 09:02 AM
Are the players annoyed that there is no fixed DOP for this event? I did offer to be the DOP from Round 2, but I asked for a pay rise from $100 to $125 per day. This was voted on at council and was rejected. I have no hard feelings to the council, though I'd like to thank the couple of councellors who I think supported the prosposal.

Food for thought...

arosar
29-08-2005, 07:43 PM
Jesus Christ. I just spent the last 10 minutes on the phone listening to a fella complain about the NSWCA and the State Championships.

Got a question. Is the prize money for the top section guaranteed?

AR

Lucena
29-08-2005, 08:05 PM
Apparently Bruce Murray has withdrawn from the tournament. Can anyone confirm what will happen to the results of the games he has played, etc?

Trent Parker
30-08-2005, 09:42 AM
Bruce Murray is an unauthorised withdrawal. I believe that he withdrew because an appeals decision did not go his way. Not sure what willhappen to the results of the games he has played. However it would be unfair for his first round opponent not to keep his point IMHO

Lucena
30-08-2005, 01:03 PM
Bruce Murray is an unauthorised withdrawal. I believe that he withdrew because an appeals decision did not go his way. Not sure what willhappen to the results of the games he has played. However it would be unfair for his first round opponent not to keep his point IMHO

Also Bruce Murray's 2nd round opponent Andrew Bird showed up only to find he had withdrawn.

Garvinator
30-08-2005, 01:55 PM
Bruce Murray is an unauthorised withdrawal. I believe that he withdrew because an appeals decision did not go his way. Not sure what willhappen to the results of the games he has played. However it would be unfair for his first round opponent not to keep his point IMHO
I think the nsw championship section will be fide rated right? If that is the case then I believe without doing any checking that the games against the person who withdrew are completely withdrawn from the standings.

Therefore, it will just become a 9 player round robin.

pax
30-08-2005, 04:02 PM
I think the nsw championship section will be fide rated right? If that is the case then I believe without doing any checking that the games against the person who withdrew are completely withdrawn from the standings.

Therefore, it will just become a 9 player round robin.

I would have thought that the games prior to withdrawal would still be rated (certainly they would be ACF rated, not sure about FIDE), but that they wouldn't be counted towards the tournament result?

Lucena
30-08-2005, 04:04 PM
I think the nsw championship section will be fide rated right? If that is the case then I believe without doing any checking that the games against the person who withdrew are completely withdrawn from the standings.

Therefore, it will just become a 9 player round robin.

One problem as I see it is that the tournament was advertised as running on 9 Sundays from 21 August to October 30. It could be an unfair imposition and/or impractical to require players to play "catch-up" games on days other than those, for example I am not sure it would be fair to require Capilitan to play Barak, Ivan Zirdum's replacement, on an "extra" day. Does anyone know what the arbiter is leaning towards doing?

I haven't been able to find the relevant rules on the Fide site, perhaps someone can help me out.

Garvinator
30-08-2005, 04:55 PM
I would have thought that the games prior to withdrawal would still be rated (certainly they would be ACF rated, not sure about FIDE), but that they wouldn't be counted towards the tournament result?
yes the games would still be rated. With regards to fide rating, the round robin tournament would be rated as a swiss instead of being classed as a round robin. The games by the withdrawn player are still rated, both acf and fide.

Garvinator
30-08-2005, 04:57 PM
One problem as I see it is that the tournament was advertised as running on 9 Sundays from 21 August to October 30. It could be an unfair imposition and/or impractical to require players to play "catch-up" games on days other than those, for example I am not sure it would be fair to require Capilitan to play Barak, Ivan Zirdum's replacement, on an "extra" day. Does anyone know what the arbiter is leaning towards doing?

I haven't been able to find the relevant rules on the Fide site, perhaps someone can help me out.
who said anything about catch up games :confused:

Lucena
30-08-2005, 05:27 PM
who said anything about catch up games :confused:

Ah yes, didn't explain myself properly. I had heard that Murray, like Zirdum, was going to be replaced. I am not sure this is such a good idea, personally.
My general point still stands though - Capilitan has already showed up on one day to play Zirdum, who forfeited. I don't really think it's fair to require Capilitan to play another game [in place of Zirdum's forfeit] against Zirdum's replacement, Barak, on an "extra" day.

bergil
30-08-2005, 10:18 PM
Also Bruce Murray's 2nd round opponent Andrew Bird showed up only to find he had withdrawn.
Ironic :whistle:

pax
30-08-2005, 11:46 PM
So what was the dispute, and why was Bruce so upset about it?

arosar
30-08-2005, 11:50 PM
As noted in the blog, it was some dispute over rule 8.4.

gbc will tell you all about it.

AR

pax
31-08-2005, 09:58 AM
As noted in the blog, it was some dispute over rule 8.4.

gbc will tell you all about it.

AR

It's a bit hard to see how there *can* be a dispute over 8.4, since it only applies if there is an increment of less than 30 seconds. I believe the NSW Champs is 90/30? When there is an increment of 30 seconds, 8.1 applies - i.e you must keep score always.

arosar
31-08-2005, 11:32 AM
When there is an increment of 30 seconds, 8.1 applies - i.e you must keep score always.

Exactly, which is why 8.4 applies. I am familiar with the details but did not mention in my blog as it was still under consideration by Council at the time.

But I let gbc fill you in.

AR

Lucena
31-08-2005, 01:04 PM
But I let gbc fill you in.

AR

Done.

Garvinator
31-08-2005, 01:50 PM
Done.
did you fill in by pm?

Lucena
31-08-2005, 02:31 PM
did you fill in by pm?
Yes.

auriga
03-09-2005, 11:39 AM
with the nsw championships my suggestion would be:

make it span 4 weeks not 9. nine consecutive sundays is way too much for even the keenest chess player. there are too many other family, study, sporting, other chess commitments to juggle.

have 2 games a day on a sunday. 2 games a day is pretty standard in zonals with 2600+ GM's, so should be ok for most average players. limits such as 90+10s or 90+30s are ok.

fix the date to coincide with finals series of ARL ie. 1st of September. people will remember that the event is coming up each year (similar to doeberl at easter, australia champs at christmas, etc). nsw ch would finish around 1st of october.

Garvinator
03-09-2005, 02:08 PM
limits such as 90+10s or 90+30s are ok.
in a championship event I would recommend using the 30 second time control so each move must be recorded. Btw we used 80+60 and it was well received by the players in the championship section and will be used again next year for the Qld Championship section.

arosar
04-09-2005, 07:46 PM
[Event "2005 NSW Ch"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.09.04"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Canfell, Greg"]
[Black "Cabilin, Jeff"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C00"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[EventDate "2005.08.28"]
[SourceDate "2005.09.04"]

1. e4 e6 2. d3 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. Nc3 Ne7 5. h4 h6 6. Bf4 d6 7. Qd2 e5 8. Be3 c5 9. g3 Nbc6 10. Bg2 Qb6 11. O-O Nd4 12. Nd1 Bg4 13. Nh2 Bxd1 14. Rfxd1 Qxb2 15. Bxd4 Qxd4 16. c4 Nd5 17. cxd5 Qa4 18. Rdb1 b6 19. Qb2 O-O 20. Qb5 Qxb5 21. Rxb5 Rfb8 22. a4 a6 23. Rb3 Rb7 24. Ng4 Rab8 25. Ne3 b5 26. axb5 axb5 27. h5 Kf8 28. Rab1 Ke8 29. Nc4 Kd7 30. Na5 Rb6 31. hxg6 fxg6 32. Bh3+ Kc7 33. Nc6 R8b7 34. Ra3 1-0

arosar
04-09-2005, 08:21 PM
Blog updated.

AR

Rhubarb
06-09-2005, 06:25 AM
Another thing, you should have seen how keen Max was to claim a win on forfeit. He was scared of playing you, even with an extra hour on the clock!When I saw my good mate Max on Sunday he was a little piqued by this comment. He would like to point out that he wasn't scared at all, and that's fair enough. So Max, I apologise.

I'm really, really sorry. I apologise unreservedly. I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact and was in no way fair comment and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.

antichrist
06-09-2005, 07:30 AM
When I saw my good mate Max on Sunday he was a little piqued by this comment. He would like to point out that he wasn't scared at all, and that's fair enough. So Max, I apologise.

I'm really, really sorry. I apologise unreservedly. I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact and was in no way fair comment and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.

But all that withstanding I still stand by my comment!

auriga
06-09-2005, 11:35 AM
kegless, that sounded like a very sincere apology, really :)

Rincewind
06-09-2005, 11:42 AM
kegless, that sounded like a very sincere apology, really :)

Sounded like hyperbole to me.

Rhubarb
06-09-2005, 12:04 PM
kegless, that sounded like a very sincere apology, really :)

Sounded like hyperbole to me.

Would it be insincere hyperbole if you were hanging upside down out of a window and your life depended on it?

Max'll come around (I hope).

Oh, and the Australian chess legend tells me he played a fine game to defeat Barak Atzmon-Simon on Sunday (I'd already left). Andrew Bird also played a good bishop ending to defeat Romeo Capilitan, Max said.

ursogr8
06-09-2005, 12:08 PM
Sounded like hyperbole to me.

Hyperbole.

Marketing puff

Damn with faint praise.



Interesting how we coin a phrase for each nuance of exaggeration. :hmm:

starter

Vlad
06-09-2005, 12:26 PM
When I saw my good mate Max on Sunday he was a little piqued by this comment. He would like to point out that he wasn't scared at all, and that's fair enough. So Max, I apologise.

I'm really, really sorry. I apologise unreservedly. I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact and was in no way fair comment and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.

It would be great if my boss (or even better if my wife) apologised this way. There are many reasons why he/she should but... never does. :lol:

arosar
14-09-2005, 01:25 PM
Bill, mate, on the NSWCA website, there are 3 games from previous rounds that are still unplayed. Will these be supervised or are the players in question expected to organise themselves?

AR

arosar
14-09-2005, 01:26 PM
Where's kegless? Mate, did you lose to Bird?

AR

Rhubarb
14-09-2005, 04:09 PM
Where's kegless? Mate, did you lose to Bird?

ARYes. Well prepared was he. He's a good player. Annoying.

arosar
14-09-2005, 04:22 PM
have you got the game there man? That's quite fascinating this preparation business.

AR

Rhubarb
14-09-2005, 04:39 PM
have you got the game there man? That's quite fascinating this preparation business.

ARIt's a funny thing, you know, the Birdman seems to go to that extra special effort in preparing against others, but isn't so generous when it comes to his own games.[edit]

antichrist
14-09-2005, 05:17 PM
With that apology I meant to come back with that you forgot any pain caused to his parish priest, the family dog and his mother-in-law.

(you can think it - I can say it)

Rhubarb
14-09-2005, 05:28 PM
With that apology I meant to come back with that you forgot any pain caused to his parish priest, the family dog and his mother-in-law.

(you can think it - I can say it)
fofw

PHAT
14-09-2005, 08:47 PM
fofw

This is in the wrong thread, dude. New Orleanians want their new sloggan to become a rallying cry against Bush, "Find Our Fresh Water"

Kevin Bonham
14-09-2005, 11:15 PM
Oh dear. Time to save some of you geese from further embarrassment and point out that kegless' apology is lifted from "A Fish Called Wanda".

PHAT
15-09-2005, 12:08 AM
Oh dear. Time to save some of you geese from further embarrassment and point out that kegless' apology is lifted from "A Fish Called Wanda".

Upside down and 10 m from the ground. Yes, even I might speak such contrived contrition so placed.:lol:

antichrist
15-09-2005, 02:00 AM
Oh dear. Time to save some of you geese from further embarrassment and point out that kegless' apology is lifted from "A Fish Called Wanda".

I thought his joke re pretending to be deaf to the telemarketer may have being lifted from elsewhere. There are about six websites dedicated to jokes against telemarketers.

Rhubarb
15-09-2005, 01:20 PM
I thought his joke re pretending to be deaf to the telemarketer may have being lifted from elsewhere. There are about six websites dedicated to jokes against telemarketers.
Dear antichrist,

I wasn't really vain enough to think that my previous post would actually get rid of you, but this is beyond the pale. If you think I plagiarised the telemarketing piece, why can't you find it anywhere else on the net? (I haven't tried to find it elsewhere on the net myself - there's a good reason for that. See if you can work out why.) Just because you're incapable of writing something like that, doesn't mean no one else can.

And as for the John Cleese quote, copying and pasting any part of that quote into a search engine would immediately produce thousands of results for A Fish Called Wanda. Since I gave a huge clue on the following post, what kind of dumbass world would you have to live in to believe that I was trying to pass this off as my own?

Now, all indications to the contrary, I'm in a much better mood today, so I realise I was a little ungenerous to the Bird Man. He prepared well, played a good game, and will be tough to stop in his current form.

arosar
15-09-2005, 02:13 PM
Hey kegless, mate...I heard you manage to find yourself on the B-side of a Scheveningen again. Is that right? And allowed the Keres again. Mate, I'm upset that you lost again mate. Some of us wanna see you win this bloody thing again.

AR

arosar
15-09-2005, 03:12 PM
What's this I hear that some players in this tournament get 5 games of one colour?

AR

Bill Gletsos
15-09-2005, 03:39 PM
What's this I hear that some players in this tournament get 5 games of one colour?In case you never noticed in a 10 player round robin, 5 players always get 5 whites and 4 blacks (those who drew lots 1-5)and 5 get 5 blacks and 4 whites (those that drew lots 6-10).
In a 9 player round robin all players get 4 whites a 4 blacks and one bye.

However this event started as a 10 player event and Cabilin was black against Murray in round 1 who withdrew before the start of round 2.
Therefore against all the remaining players in the event Cabilin has 4 Whites and 4 blacks, however over the whole event Jeff will have had 5 blacks as he is the only player to have played 9 opponents.

arosar
15-09-2005, 03:44 PM
In case you never noticed in a 10 player round robin, 5 players always get 5 whites and 4 blacks (those who drew lots 1-5)and 5 get 5 blacks and 4 whites (those that drew lots 6-10).
In a 9 player round robin all players get 4 whites a 4 blacks and one bye.

However this event started as a 10 player event and Cabilin was black against Murray in round 1 who withdrew before the start of round 2.
Therefore against all the remaining players in the event Cabilin has 4 Whites and 4 blacks, however over the whole event Jeff will have had 5 blacks as he is the only player to have played 9 opponents.


yeah, that's what I mean: the situation post withdrawal...it seems that some blokes end up with a 5:3 ratio. Some have 5 whites. Others have 5 blacks.

Now you better get this one right Bill. I've seen some pretty deadly info. You could be in real trouble again.

AR

Rhubarb
15-09-2005, 03:57 PM
I heard you manage to find yourself on the B-side of a Scheveningen again. Is that right? And allowed the Keres again.AR

No. No. No. It was a King's Indian.

Is this the part in Net Journalism 101 (Boston Globe campus) where they tell you to just make the shit up, or do you really have a source for this?


Mate, I'm upset that you lost again mate. Some of us wanna see you win this bloody thing again.Thanks mate, appreciate it. :) But it's already out of my hands now.

arosar
15-09-2005, 04:01 PM
No. No. No. It was a King's Indian.

FMD! King's Indian?

Mate, listen here. That bloody opening has been refuted! We gotta talk about this.

AR

Bill Gletsos
15-09-2005, 04:07 PM
yeah, that's what I mean: the situation post withdrawal...it seems that some blokes end up with a 5:3 ratio. Some have 5 whites. Others have 5 blacks.

Now you better get this one right Bill. I've seen some pretty deadly info. You could be in real trouble again.This is the normal case in a round robin when a player withdraws

All the colour allocations are fixed based on the Berger tables and the player lot numbers.

If lot 10 withdraws then the color split for the remaining players is 4-4 for the remaing players.

However if any other player other than lot 10 withdraws then the color split will be 5-3 for some and 3-5 for others.

In the case where lot 2 withdraws then lots 3 and 5 end up with a 5-3 split and lots 6 and 8 end up with a 3-5 split. The remaining lots 1, 4, 7, 9 and 10 all end up with 4-4 splits.

Rhubarb
15-09-2005, 04:10 PM
yeah, that's what I mean: the situation post withdrawal...it seems that some blokes end up with a 5:3 ratio. Some have 5 whites. Others have 5 blacks.
ARI was wondering this myself. I get a 4-4 split after Bruce's withdrawal but possibly two people get 5 blacks unless they redo part of the draw? Oh, just seen Bill's post, so no it's just bad luck for some people.

antichrist
15-09-2005, 04:19 PM
Kegless:

Dear antichrist,

I wasn't really vain enough to think that my previous post would actually get rid of you, but this is beyond the pale. If you think I plagiarised the telemarketing piece, why can't you find it anywhere else on the net? (I haven't tried to find it elsewhere on the net myself - there's a good reason for that. See if you can work out why.) Just because you're incapable of writing something like that, doesn't mean no one else can.

A/C
Not out of spite but just based on my developed scepticism the see-saw is at 45 degree against you - mates again?

Rhubarb
15-09-2005, 04:48 PM
mates again?mate, we've always been mates. :P

alexmdc
30-10-2005, 10:18 PM
Hello, this tournament finished today, anyone know who won??

I beat Jeff Cabilin (well he resigned a pawn down when the lights went out) but what about the other two games?

Trent Parker
30-10-2005, 10:39 PM
I dunno.
I left quite early.

opp no turn up and i had hangover. i go home.....

Lucena
30-10-2005, 10:40 PM
Song and Fuller was a draw, dunno about the other one.

Andrew Bird
30-10-2005, 11:37 PM
Hello, this tournament finished today, anyone know who won??

I beat Jeff Cabilin (well he resigned a pawn down when the lights went out) but what about the other two games?

Canfell beat Reitmans to finish in 3rd place. Max Fuller and I tied for 1st and will play a 4 game playoff match for the title, maybe in December. Raymond Song finished 4th (not bad for an 11 year old!)

BTW, didnít you play Romeo Capilitan today, not Jeff? Greg, Max and I spent quite a bit of time analysing that pawn endgame where Romeo resigned, and itís not at all clear that itís winning. We werenít sure if your h pawn was on h2 or h3, which could make a big difference. What do you think would have happened if the lights didnít go out?

Rhubarb
30-10-2005, 11:42 PM
Fuller - Song 0.5-0.5
Reitmans - Canfell 0-1
Mendes Da Costa - Capilitan 1-0
(preplayed) Cabilin - Bird 0-1
Atzmon-Simon - Bye


Final Scores (8 rounds):

Bird, Fuller 6
Canfell 5.5
Song 5
Atzmon-Simon 4.5
Mendes Da Costa 4
Capilitan 2.5
Reitmans 1.5
Cabilin 1

Andrew Bird and Max Fuller are in discussions for a 4-game match for the title by the end of the year.

Edit: Well I see AB's just posted as well.

Yeah, amdc, you're almost certainly winning anyway, but it's by no means trivial!

Vlad
31-10-2005, 12:20 AM
Canfell beat Reitmans to finish in 3rd place. Max Fuller and I tied for 1st and will play a 4 game playoff match for the title, maybe in December. Raymond Song finished 4th (not bad for an 11 year old!)


Congratulations, Andrew! Tell me your secret. How come you are improving so quickly? It must be that game that I lost to you in ICC. From now on I should start taking lessons from you.:)

alexmdc
31-10-2005, 10:58 AM
BTW, didnít you play Romeo Capilitan today, not Jeff? Greg, Max and I spent quite a bit of time analysing that pawn endgame where Romeo resigned, and itís not at all clear that itís winning. We werenít sure if your h pawn was on h2 or h3, which could make a big difference. What do you think would have happened if the lights didnít go out?

Whoops, yes it was Romeo I played yesterday... but I beat Jeff as well :D

I'm not too sure about the pawn endgame, I originally thought I could break through on the kingside, but the stupid pawns wont let me. But instead I think I can put my king on a4, play a5, king on a5 then b5 and win. I don't think the tempos on the kingside make a difference, because I can even let his king in to take d4 and my a or b pawns will beat his d-pawn.

The position was (with white to move):
white king on d2, white pawns on a4, b4, d4, f2, f3, h2
black king on c6, black pawns on a6, d5, f6, g7, h7

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 12:06 PM
I'm not too sure about the pawn endgame, I originally thought I could break through on the kingside, but the stupid pawns wont let me.
But instead I think I can put my king on a4, play a5, king on a5 then b5 and win. I don't think the tempos on the kingside make a difference, because I can even let his king in to take d4 and my a or b pawns will beat his d-pawn.The tempos on the k-side make all the difference.
maybe there are many ways to win, but none of them are trivial.

alexmdc
31-10-2005, 01:07 PM
well how can black stop this plan?

24. Kc3 Kb6 25. Kb3 Kc6 26. Ka3 Kb6 27. a5+ Kb7 28. Ka4 Kc6 29. b5+! axb5+ 30. Kb4 f5 31. a6 Kb6 32. a7 Kxa7 33. Kxb5
(if 27.. Kb5 28. Kb3 then after all the pawn moves are used up, black to move obviously loses, while white to move plays 29. Ka3 and wins after ..Kc4 30. Ka4 Kxd4 31. b5)

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 02:07 PM
well how can black stop this plan?

24. Kc3 Kb6 25. Kb3 Kc6 26. Ka3 Kb6 27. a5+ Kb7 28. Ka4 Kc6 29. b5+! axb5+ 30. Kb4 f5 31. a6 Kb6 32. a7 Kxa7 33. Kxb5
(if 27.. Kb5 28. Kb3 then after all the pawn moves are used up, black to move obviously loses, while white to move plays 29. Ka3 and wins after ..Kc4 30. Ka4 Kxd4 31. b5) .... it's obvious enough i guess...

Sutek
31-10-2005, 02:11 PM
= (if 27.. Kb5 28. Kb3 then after all the pawn moves are used up, black to move obviously loses, while white to move plays 29. Ka3 and wins after ..Kc4 30. Ka4 Kxd4 31. b5)

Are you sure this is winning?
After 27...Kb5 28.Kb3 g5!?

I don't see how to win for white here?
fex.
29.Ka3 Kc4 30.Ka4 f5!? or h5!? (not Kxd4?) and black has the tempo.

But instead of all this white could win by heading for the kingside as black is tied to the defence of the queen's side.
I don't see how black can stop white from creating a entry square on the king's wing?

Regards
Sutek

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 02:15 PM
....except i don't play 30...Kxd4??

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 02:17 PM
Are you sure this is winning?
After 27...Kb5 28.Kb3 g5!?

I don't see how to win for white here?
fex.
29.Ka3 Kc4 30.Ka4 f5!? or h5!? (not Kxd4?) and black has the tempo.

But instead of all this white could win by heading for the kingside as black is tied to the defence of the queen's side.
I don't see how black can stop white from creating a entry square on the king's wing?

Regards
Sutek

Black simply defends on the k-side by f6-g6-h6, then plays a5 on the q-side for a simple draw if White takes his king k-side

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 02:25 PM
anyway, i discovered how White wins, but Max and Andrew were more concerned with their winning speeches or something.

Sutek
31-10-2005, 02:29 PM
Black simply defends on the k-side by f6-g6-h6, then plays a5 on the q-side for a simple draw if White takes his king k-side

Not if the white king is on f4, if you set up the pawns f6-g6-h6 then white plays h4-h5 and gets his entry point on f5.

Regards
Sutek

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 02:32 PM
Not if the white king is on f4, if you set up the pawns f6-g6-h6 then white plays h4-h5 and gets his entry point on f5.

Regards
Sutek
what the?
obviously i will meet h4 with ....h5 (this is hardly worth mentioning!)

Sutek
31-10-2005, 02:38 PM
what the?
obviously i will meet h4 with ....h5 (this is hardly worth mentioning!)

OK, your right.

But this may still be the only way to win?
I play the king to f4, I play h4 and then you must h5.

I then bring the king back to g3 or e3 and threaten f5, so black must play f5 and lock up the king's wing.

White then heads back to the q-side and plays the orginal plan of a5+ and Kb3 or Ka4 but now there's a big difference!

It is white who now has the spare tempo with f3 and not black?

If the above is true then your original comment of the win not being easy is very true!

In fact it's more like a endgame study! :)

Regards
Sutek

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 02:42 PM
If the above is true then your original comment of the win not being easy is very true!
Precisely! This is the most principled way to win. (except you keep the king on, say, c3 not g3!)

(But there are also other ways to win.)

Vlad
31-10-2005, 02:43 PM
well how can black stop this plan?

24. Kc3 Kb6 25. Kb3 Kc6 26. Ka3 Kb6 27. a5+ Kb7 28. Ka4 Kc6 29. b5+! axb5+ 30. Kb4 f5 31. a6 Kb6 32. a7 Kxa7 33. Kxb5
(if 27.. Kb5 28. Kb3 then after all the pawn moves are used up, black to move obviously loses, while white to move plays 29. Ka3 and wins after ..Kc4 30. Ka4 Kxd4 31. b5)

You have a good plan but possibly not so good implementation. One hole in ur variant I can see is that instead of 27 Kb7 I would play 27.Kb5... Now as you can see pawns on king side matter.

So, I would certainly say that this is a winning position for white. To win it though I would do the following:

1) play 23. f4 (get space on king side), say opponent play 23...Kb6 and threaten to play 24...a5

2) Get ur king on c3, 25. Kc3 (be prepared to take if white plays a5)

Now it seems all the threats are covered. One just needs to be careful on kingside.

3) a) If black plays 25...g5 then u just take it and ur king is free to go to the kingside, there are holes there that can't be recovered (on a5 you will reply b5).

b) If black plays 25...g6, white plays 26 f5.
As I said earlier the goal is to block the kinside.

c) If black does nothing play 26 f5.

4) Ok, given that the kingside is blocked now we follow ur plan. Get ur King on a3 and push a5. If king plays Kb5 u play Kb3. Then u will push b5, sacrifice 'a' pawn and take both 'b' and 'd' pawns.

Sutek
31-10-2005, 02:45 PM
OK, your right.

But this may still be the only way to win?
I play the king to f4, I play h4 and then you must h5.

I then bring the king back to g3 or e3 and threaten f5, so black must play f5 and lock up the king's wing.

White then heads back to the q-side and plays the orginal plan of a5+ and Kb3 or Ka4 but now there's a big difference!

It is white who now has the spare tempo with f3 and not black?

If the above is true then your original comment of the win not being easy is very true!

In fact it's more like a endgame study! :)

Regards
Sutek

Actually this wont work either as black can play a5 at the right moment and draw.

I guess I should have a look at this pawn ending using a board :)

Regards
Sutek

Vlad
31-10-2005, 02:52 PM
OK, your right.

But this may still be the only way to win?
I play the king to f4, I play h4 and then you must h5.

I then bring the king back to g3 or e3 and threaten f5, so black must play f5 and lock up the king's wing.

White then heads back to the q-side and plays the orginal plan of a5+ and Kb3 or Ka4 but now there's a big difference!

It is white who now has the spare tempo with f3 and not black?

If the above is true then your original comment of the win not being easy is very true!

In fact it's more like a endgame study! :)

Regards
Sutek


At the time u are dealing in the kingside black will play Kb6, push a5 and u will have to push b5, then everything will be blocked, which is a draw.:)

Vlad
31-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Actually this wont work either as black can play a5 at the right moment and draw.

I guess I should have a look at this pawn ending using a board :)

Regards
Sutek

This exactly the reason I propose to play 23 f4 and 24 Kc3.:)

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 03:04 PM
Well I kind of already said that. White can sacrifice on the k-side with the K on d3, to meet ...a5 with Kc3 if necessary.

edit: i suppose i should provide a fen diagram before the spectators get the tomtits...

edit(2) ok, the fenstring code is nonsensical to me. Baz, Bill? Any chance of a diagram? I'll be eternally grateful.

Vlad
31-10-2005, 03:11 PM
Well I kind of already said that. White can sacrifice on the k-side with the K on d3, to meet ...a5 with Kc3 if necessary.

edit: i suppose i should provide a fen diagram before the spectators get the tomtits...

Yeah, u are right. It is even better. No need to play Kc3, just the king has to be on d3. Push f4 and f5 and block everything as quick as possible. Seems to be the simplest plan.

Sutek
31-10-2005, 03:46 PM
OK, I get it now :)

Before white can play the a5 plan he must make sure he has a tempo in hand or black has no pawn moves so he can zug black when he gets to c4.

As you guys say white advances the f and h pawns, once black runs out of pawn moves or blocks the wing then white will still have the extra tempo of f3 if need be.

If black doesn't block up the kingside and allows white a pawn break with a entry square then of course white will send his king in that direction and walk in.

Does this sound right? :)

Regards
Sutek

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 03:57 PM
OK, I get it now :)

Before white can play the a5 plan he must make sure he has a tempo in hand or black has no pawn moves so he can zug black when he gets to c4.

As you guys say white advances the f and h pawns, once black runs out of pawn moves or blocks the wing then white will still have the extra tempo of f3 if need be.

If black doesn't block up the kingside and allows white a pawn break with a entry square then of course white will send his king in that direction and walk in.

Does this sound right? :)

Regards
Sutek

If White can run Black out of time (i.e. tempo moves) it is a dead-set win on the q-side. White plays a5, B plays Kb5. W plays Kb3 - game over. To survive, Black needs two tempo moves - one is not enough. That is why White can already win with subtle sacrifices on the k-side. But, more principled, White plays h4 & f4 at the right time, runs B out of moves, and then wins a tempo on the q-side. This is why I said there is more than one way to win.

Sutek
31-10-2005, 04:04 PM
If White can run Black out of time (i.e. tempo moves) it is a dead-set win on the q-side. White plays a5, B plays Kb5. W plays Kb3 - game over. To survive, Black needs two tempo moves - one is not enough. That is why White can already win with subtle sacrifices on the k-side. But, more principled, White plays h4 & f4 at the right time, runs B out of moves, and then wins a tempo on the q-side. This is why I said there is more than one way to win.

OK I get it now :)

Now with this pawn ending out of the way I can get back to more important things. eg. first round of the Paris masters tonight!

Regards
Sutek

Rincewind
31-10-2005, 04:12 PM
Can I safely declare kegless the king of the BB post mortem? :D

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 04:13 PM
OK I get it now :)

Now with this pawn ending out of the way I can get back to more important things. eg. first round of the Paris masters tonight!

Regards
SutekGood thinking Skerrovich! Grey Paree already?

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 04:17 PM
Can I safely declare kegless the king of the BB post mortem? :Dyeah well, RW, after the completely embarassing flogging I took from Bill <botornot?> last time....

Rincewind
31-10-2005, 04:19 PM
yeah well, RW, after the completely embarassing flogging I took from Bill <botornot?> last time....

Some things don't bear repeating. If only others understood the truth of this old maxim.

So with this pawn endgame out of the way I'm thinking you must be just about be ready to post your puzzle in the rec math thread. :pray:

Rhubarb
31-10-2005, 04:51 PM
Some things don't bear repeating. If only others understood the truth of this old maxim.Baz, you're a gentleman and a scholar urp!.


So with this pawn endgame out of the way I'm thinking you must be just about be ready to post your puzzle in the rec math thread. :pray:maybe just about - if only it was worthy.

Alan Shore
02-12-2005, 12:13 PM
I saw Andrew Bird listed in the Aus Champs top division.. did he defeat Fuller?

Trent Parker
02-12-2005, 01:16 PM
They are going to play a play off in a week or two.....

Lucena
21-12-2005, 01:01 PM
Current score 1-1, game 3 starts tonight.

Sutek
21-12-2005, 04:34 PM
1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. d3 d6 6. f4 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. O-O O-O 9. Be3 b6 10. d4 Ba6 11. Rf2 Qc7 12. Rd2 Rad8 13. d5 exd5 14. Nxd5 Nxd5 15. exd5 Na5 16. b3 Rfe8 17. Bf2 Bxa1 18. Qxa1 f6 19. g4 Qg7 20. c4 Bc8 21. h3 Re7 22. Qc1 Nb7 23. Be1 Rde8 24. Rf2 h5 25. g5 f5 26. Bc3 Qf7 27. Bf1 Kh7 28. Bf6 Rc7 29. a4 Na5 30. Qc3 Re4 31. Nd2 Re1 32. Re2 Rxe2 33. Bxe2 Bd7 34. Bd3 Rc8 35. Bc2 Re8 36. Kf2 Bc8 37. h4 Qc7 38. Nf1 a6 39. Ng3 Qf7 40. Bd3 Nb7 41. Qc2 Na5 42. Qc3 Bd7 43. Qc2 Ra8 44. Bc3 Nb7 45. Bf6 Qe8 46. Nxf5 Bxf5 47. Bxf5 gxf5 48. Qxf5+ Qg6 49. Qd7+ Kg8 50. Qxb7 Re8 51. Qd7 Qc2+ 52. Kf1 Qd1+ 0-1

Sutek
21-12-2005, 04:35 PM
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 exd4 8. Nxd4 Re8 9. f3 c6 10. Bf2 Nbd7 11. O-O Ne5 12. Nc2 Be6 13. Ne3 h5 14. Qd2 Bh6 15. b3 Qa5 16. Rfd1 Kh8 17. Qb2 Rad8 18. Rac1 Qc7 19. Rc2 Qe7 20. Bf1 h4 21. Re2 h3 22. Bh4 hxg2 23. Bxg2 Bf4 24. Ree1 g5 25. Bf2 g4 26. fxg4 Nfxg4 27. Nxg4 Bxg4 28. Ne2 Qf6 29. Nxf4 Bxd1 30. Rxd1 Qxf4 31. Kh1 Rg8 32. Rd3 Rxg2 33. Rh3+ Kg8 34. Kxg2 Qxe4+ 35. Kf1 Qf5 36. Kg2 f6 37. Qd4 Kf7 38. Qxa7 Rg8+ 39. Rg3 Qf3+ 40. Kg1 Rxg3+ 41. Bxg3 Qd1+ 42. Kg2 Qf3+ 43. Kg1 Ng4 44. Qxb7+ Kg6 45. Qc8 Ne3 46. Qg8+ Kf5 47. Qc8+ Ke4 48. Qxc6+ d5 49. Qe6+ Kd3 50. Qh3 d4 51. c5 Ke2 52. c6 d3 0-1

Vlad
21-12-2005, 08:24 PM
I did not realize that Fuller is an Australian version of Shirov. In the first game he probably just blundered, while in the second Andrew did not know what he is doing.

arosar
21-12-2005, 08:40 PM
Where are these played and when?

AR

Bill Gletsos
21-12-2005, 08:42 PM
Can't Bird hold the second game with 47. Qh7+ instead of Qc8+.

Vlad
21-12-2005, 09:55 PM
Can't Bird hold the second game with 47. Qh7+ instead of Qc8+.

I do not think so. Black king goes to e6-d7-c8-b7-b6-c5-d4-e4. The last check was from d2, no checks anymore, now if Qf2 then Qd1 is winning. Another alternative for white is to put his Queen on h3, but then f5 and f4.

Bill Gletsos
21-12-2005, 10:22 PM
I do not think so. Black king goes to e6-d7-c8-b7-b6-c5-d4-e4.That doesnt work.
1. Qh7+ Ke6 2. Qg8+ Kd7 3. Qf7+ Kc8 4. Qe6+ Kb7 5. Qd7+ Kb6 6. Qd8+

If now 6. ....Kc5 then 7.Qxd6+ stops any progress.

If he goes 6. ...Ka6 then 7. Qc8+ and he must return to a6 because if Kb6 then 8. Qa7 mates as Kb4 is met by Be1 mate.

Duff McKagan
21-12-2005, 10:30 PM
Looks like Bill is right here.

brett
21-12-2005, 10:50 PM
3rd game was won by Bird

Vlad
21-12-2005, 10:55 PM
You are right Qh7 was a draw.

32... Rg2 and 37... Kf7 are responsible for that I suppose.:)

Sutek
22-12-2005, 04:55 AM
3rd game was won by Bird

So black has won all games!

Regards
Sutek

Sutek
22-12-2005, 05:33 AM
I did not realize that Fuller is an Australian version of Shirov. In the first game he probably just blundered, while in the second Andrew did not know what he is doing.

Yes in the first game Max had 49.Qe6!? which appears to hold OK.

Black should now probably just take the perpetual with Qc2+ as others look risky.

Andrew could try 49...Rf8 but after 50.f5 Rxf6 51.gxf6 Qg4 should end in a draw, while 49...Nd8 50.Qd7+ Qf7 could be risky as white has 51.Qxd6!? and might now be better?

But as white could force a draw here anyway with 51.Qf5+ it seems a safer course for black to take the perpetual at move 49 with Qc2+ especially if he was short of time.

Regards
Sutek

Sutek
22-12-2005, 05:47 AM
That doesnt work.
1. Qh7+ Ke6 2. Qg8+ Kd7 3. Qf7+ Kc8 4. Qe6+ Kb7 5. Qd7+ Kb6 6. Qd8+

If now 6. ....Kc5 then 7.Qxd6+ stops any progress.

If he goes 6. ...Ka6 then 7. Qc8+ and he must return to a6 because if Kb6 then 8. Qa7 mates as Kb4 is met by Be1 mate.

The conclusion is correct.
I looked at this with Max and Greg Canfell briefly yesterday and we agreed that 47.Qh7+ should draw.

But I believe both players were getting short of time around about here.

Regards
Sutek

Sutek
22-12-2005, 05:58 AM
Where are these played and when?

AR

At the Sydney Academy of Chess at Strathfield.

Final game is played tonight (Thurs 22nd Dec) at about 7:30pm.

Regards
Sutek

pax
22-12-2005, 11:22 AM
3rd game was won by Bird

With Black again???

Sutek
22-12-2005, 03:22 PM
1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. d3 d6 6. f4 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. O-O O-O 9. Be3 b6 10. d4 Ba6 11. Rf2 Qc7 12. Rd2 Rad8 13. d5 exd5 14. Nxd5 Nxd5 15. exd5 Na5 16. b3 Rfe8 17. Bf2 Bxa1 18. Qxa1 f6 19. g4 Qg7 20. c4 Bc8 21. h3 Re7 22. Qc1 Nb7 23. Be1 Rde8 24. Rf2 h5 25. g5 f5 26. Bc3 Qf7 27. Bf1 Kh7 28. Bf6 Rc7 29. a4 Na5 30. Qc3 Re4 31. Nd2 Re1 32. Re2 Rxe2 33. Bxe2 Bd7 34. Bd3 Rc8 35. Bc2 Re8 36. Kf2 Bc8 37. h4 Qc7 38. Nf1 a6 39. Ng3 Qf7 40. Bd3 Nb7 41. Qc2 Na5 42. Qc3 Bd7 43. Qc2 Ra8 44. Bc3 Nb7 45. Bf6 Qe8 46. Nxf5 Bxf5 47. Bxf5 gxf5 48. Qxf5+ Qg6 49. Qd7+ Kg8 50. Qxb7 Re8 51. Qd7 Qc2+ 52. Kf1 Qd1+ 0-1

Please note the score of this game is slightly wrong, Andrew played 16...Rde8 and 23...Rfe8.


1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. d3 d6 6. f4 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. O-O O-O 9. Be3 b6 10. d4 Ba6 11. Rf2 Qc7 12. Rd2 Rad8 13. d5 exd5 14. Nxd5 Nxd5 15. exd5 Na5 16. b3 Rde8 17. Bf2 Bxa1 18. Qxa1 f6 19. g4 Qg7 20. c4 Bc8 21. h3 Re7 22. Qc1 Nb7 23. Be1 Rfe8 24. Rf2 h5 25. g5 f5 26. Bc3 Qf7 27. Bf1 Kh7 28. Bf6 Rc7 29. a4 Na5 30. Qc3 Re4 31. Nd2 Re1 32. Re2 Rxe2 33. Bxe2 Bd7 34. Bd3 Rc8 35. Bc2 Re8 36. Kf2 Bc8 37. h4 Qc7 38. Nf1 a6 39. Ng3 Qf7 40. Bd3 Nb7 41. Qc2 Na5 42. Qc3 Bd7 43. Qc2 Ra8 44. Bc3 Nb7 45. Bf6 Qe8 46. Nxf5 Bxf5 47. Bxf5 gxf5 48. Qxf5+ Qg6 49. Qd7+ Kg8 50. Qxb7 Re8 51. Qd7 Qc2+ 52. Kf1 Qd1+ 0-1

Lucena
22-12-2005, 10:40 PM
Andrew Bird drew the fourth game to become 2005 NSW state champion. Although play was far from perfect, both players are to be commended for what I gather was a tense, hard-fought and gruelling match.

Javier Gil
23-12-2005, 06:12 AM
Congratulations Andrew! :clap:

Max, I really enjoyed the second game, nice one! ;)

Sutek
24-12-2005, 08:46 AM
1. e4 c5 2. b3 d6 3. Bb2 e5 4. f4 exf4 5. Bc4 Nf6 6. Qf3 g6 7. Qxf4 Bg7 8. Nc3 O-O 9. O-O-O Be6 10. Bxe6 fxe6 11. Qh4 Nc6 12. Nf3 d5 13. exd5 exd5 14. d4 Ne4 15. Qe1 Re8 16. Qg1 Qa5 17. Na4 b5 18. Nxc5 Qxa2 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. Ng5 Nb4 21. Qf1 Nd3+ 22. Rxd3 exd3 23. Qxd3 Qa5 24. Bc3 Qb6 25. Qf3 Rad8 26. Qf7+ Kh8 27. d5 Qe3+ 28. Bd2 Qe5 29. c3 Re7 30. Re1 Qxg5 31. Rxe7 Qf6 32. Re8+ Rxe8 33. Qxe8+ Bf8 34. Qxb5 Ba3+ 35. Kc2 a6 36. Qd3 Kg7 37. Be3 Kf7 38. Bd4 Qg5 39. Qf3+ Kg8 {Time} 0-1

Sutek
25-12-2005, 06:56 AM
1. Nf3 d6 2. d4 Bg4 3. c4 Nd7 4. g3 Bxf3 5. exf3 c6 6. Bg2 d5 7. Qb3 Qb6 8. f4 Ngf6 9. c5 Qxb3 10. axb3 g6 11. Be3 Bg7 12. Nd2 a6 13. Ke2 O-O 14. Bh3 e6 15. b4 Rad8 16. Nb3 Ra8 17. Na5 Ra7 18. Kd3 Re8 19. f3 Re7 20. Rhe1 Ne8 21. Bf2 Kf8 22. Re2 Nc7 23. Rae1 Re8 24. Bg4 Rd8 25. h4 h5 26. Bh3 Nf6 27. Bf1 Ng8 28. Bh3 Nb5 29. Rg1 Nf6 30. Rge1 Rd7 31. Nb3 Ra8 32. Rg1 Bh6 33. Be3 Bg7 34. Reg2 Ke7 35. Re1 Kd8 36. g4 hxg4 37. fxg4 Kc7 38. f5 Re8 1/2-1/2

Rhubarb
01-02-2006, 01:49 PM
Hi Bill, you must have overlooked my email from two days ago so I'll ask here. Is the playoff to be FIDE rated?

Please choose from the following:
a) Yes
b) No
c) Maybe, I need to discuss with Council.

[Test for computability by subject: P(a) + P(b) + P(c) = 1. Affirmative.]

Bill Gletsos
01-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Hi Bill, you must have overlooked my email from two days ago so I'll ask here. Is the playoff to be FIDE rated?

Please choose from the following:
a) Yes
b) No
c) Maybe, I need to discuss with Council.

[Test for computability by subject: P(a) + P(b) + P(c) = 1. Affirmative.]a).

Alan Shore
01-02-2006, 02:19 PM
[Test for computability by subject: P(a) + P(b) + P(c) = 1. Affirmative.]

Even the really innocuous posts from greg make me laugh... he's got a gift!

ursogr8
01-02-2006, 03:52 PM
Even the really innocuous posts from greg make me laugh... he's got a gift!

BD

Not only has he got the 'gift', but, in harmony with Baz, he can ask questions simply: we deduce this because Bill has deigned to answer.

I wonder which course I have to attend to learn to ask simple questions like >

Please choose from the following:
a) Yes
b) No
c) Maybe, I need to discuss with Council.

[Test for computability by subject: P(a) + P(b) + P(c) = 1. Affirmative.]


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