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j_carrillo_vii
29-05-2005, 06:32 PM
Hello all!

I'm new to the forum!

Never played chess this way, but looks interesting!

Does anyone want to play a Fischerandom Chess match?

Jose

Duff McKagan
29-05-2005, 07:39 PM
Hello all!

I'm new to the forum!

Never played chess this way, but looks interesting!

Does anyone want to play a Fischerandom Chess match?

Jose

OK. What is the start postion?

j_carrillo_vii
30-05-2005, 02:04 AM
Hi Duff!

Nice to play FRC/Chess960 with you!

This is the first time I play FRC/Chess960 in this forum chat format.

The random position is 149 (Knight-Rook-Bishop-Bishop-Knight-Queen-King-Rook).

I'll play white this time, and next time we can switch colors.

My first move is:

1.d4

Good luck in the game!

I'm the moderator of the Fischerandom Chess email Club [FRCEC], and I'm always looking for different ways to play and promote this wonderful game in the internet, so this forum format took my attention right away!

This game will be a trial game before I introduce this playing format to the members of my club.

You can visit our club's homepage at:
http://frcec.chess960.info/

Feel free to join us! To join our club, just send an email to:
frcec-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

I'm attaching the PGN for our game as it will stored in our club's games database when the game is finished.

Best wishes,

Jose Carrillo
FRCEC Moderator
j_carrillo_vii@yahoo.com
http://frcec.chess960.info/

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[Event "M0453"]
[Site "FRCEC-FM"]
[Date "2005.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Jose Carrillo"]
[Black "Duff McKagan"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Position: 149 NRBBNQKR"]
[BlackElo "1500"]
[FEN "nrbbnqkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/NRBBNQKR w KQkq f1 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[WhiteElo "1561"]

1. *

Duff McKagan
30-05-2005, 09:03 AM
Hi Duff!

Nice to play FRC/Chess960 with you!

This is the first time I play FRC/Chess960 in this forum chat format.

The random position is 149 (Knight-Rook-Bishop-Bishop-Knight-Queen-King-Rook).

I'll play white this time, and next time we can switch colors.

My first move is:

1.d4

Good luck in the game!

I'm the moderator of the Fischerandom Chess email Club [FRCEC], and I'm always looking for different ways to play and promote this wonderful game in the internet, so this forum format took my attention right away!

This game will be a trial game before I introduce this playing format to the members of my club.

You can visit our club's homepage at:
http://frcec.chess960.info/

Feel free to join us! To join our club, just send an email to:
frcec-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

I'm attaching the PGN for our game as it will stored in our club's games database when the game is finished.

Best wishes,

Jose Carrillo
FRCEC Moderator
j_carrillo_vii@yahoo.com
http://frcec.chess960.info/



Am I a sucker or what :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK :hmm: :uhoh: :rolleyes: :cool: :D

1. d4 e6

Jose, did you know there was a very long discussion somewhere on this site where the "opening principles for FR" was discussed. It is here ...
http://www.chesskit.com/auschess/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=auschess;action=display;num=10612032 53;start=0

j_carrillo_vii
30-05-2005, 11:30 AM
1.d4 e6 2.e4 *

Hi Duff,

No I didn't know of the FR thread. This is the first time I ever sign on to this forum.

Jose

Duff McKagan
30-05-2005, 11:59 AM
1.d4 e6 2.e4 c4

j_carrillo_vii
30-05-2005, 12:11 PM
1.d4 e6 2.e4 c4

2... c4???

Illegal move. I assume you meant 2... c5.

If 2... c5 then 3.dxc5

Duff McKagan
30-05-2005, 03:13 PM
2... c4???

Illegal move. I assume you meant 2... c5.

If 2... c5 then 3.dxc5

3... Qxc5

I figure that I want to have as many squares as I can covered as I can and see what happens. We know that the Q becomes a target in standard chess, but maybe in FR with a knight in the corner, there will time for her to be violent before before she is pushed back.

And I think that there might be opportunities to swap-off queens because in this position, you cannot catls shourt and that means that the Q might be forced in front of the K.

All supposition :D

j_carrillo_vii
30-05-2005, 09:54 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 *

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I'm kind of enjoying playing in this Forum format.

I think I'll start promoting it within my FRC club.

Do you play FRC a lot, or just casually?

Duff McKagan
31-05-2005, 07:30 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 *

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I'm kind of enjoying playing in this Forum format.

I think I'll start promoting it within my FRC club.

Do you play FRC a lot, or just casually?

FR is a novelty for me.



Hey, quit hitting my Q

1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 Qa4

I am leaving her out there as an experiment. Did you see the game by that USA kid played 2... Qa5 at GM level. And I recently saw a weird system called "Matrix Chess" which gives the Q a value of about two pieces.:hmm:

We will see ...

Cheers

j_carrillo_vii
31-05-2005, 07:52 AM
Hey, quit hitting my Q

1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 Qa4

I am leaving her out there as an experiment...

Cheers

4... Qa4???

Another illegal move...

Since when Queens move like Knights? Experiment with again! :-)

Try again.

ursogr8
31-05-2005, 08:25 AM
4... Qa4???

Another illegal move...

Since when Queens move like Knights? Experiment with again! :-)

Try again.

Duff

Have you randomised the placing of the pieces on the back rank, or randomised the naming of all squares on the board? ;)

regards
starter

eclectic
31-05-2005, 08:40 AM
beats me why this carillo dude has come this far for a fischerandom match

isn't there someone nearer his turf (someone from iceland in fact) who is looking for a worthy opponent?

;)

eclectic

j_carrillo_vii
31-05-2005, 08:44 AM
beats me why this carillo dude has come this far for a fischerandom match


On the internet you are just next door...
:)

Duff McKagan
31-05-2005, 08:56 AM
4... Qa4???

Another illegal move...

Since when Queens move like Knights? Experiment with again! :-)

Try again.

OK, I try Qa5.


I am looking at the board upside down on a viewer and with the Kings on the other side to normal, my head just needs to get used to the off-planet look. :D

j_carrillo_vii
31-05-2005, 09:20 AM
OK, I try Qa5.

I am looking at the board upside down on a viewer and with the Kings on the other side to normal, my head just needs to get used to the off-planet look. :D

1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 Qa5 5.Nxa5 *

On a5 your Queen was no better than at c5, well, maybe not, at least at a5 you can get the Knight back...

Duff McKagan
31-05-2005, 10:58 AM
1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 Qa5 5.Nxa5 *

On a5 your Queen was no better than at c5, well, maybe not, at least at a5 you can get the Knight back...


ARRRHHHhhhhhhhaaaa :oops:

I resign

When I look back I misread 4.Nb3 as 4.Be3 :lol:

Nb3 is such a weird unexpected move so early and Be3 was so much more "normal" looking :boohoo:

OK OK OK

An other game? and I promise to pay attention :D

j_carrillo_vii
31-05-2005, 07:15 PM
OK. Duff. Your turn. Same position, but you play White now. Your turn!

Good luck!

The PGN for the game is below.

What PGN viewer do you use? I use CompoChess. It supports both regular chess and FRC.

There is a link to download it at our club's website (http://frcec.chess960.info/), if you are interested.

Jose

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[Event "M0544"]
[Site "FRCEC-FM"]
[Date "2005.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Duff McKagan"]
[Black "Jose Carrillo"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Position: 149 NRBBNQKR"]
[BlackElo "1561"]
[FEN "nrbbnqkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/NRBBNQKR w KQkq f1 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[WhiteElo "1500"]

1. *

Duff McKagan
31-05-2005, 10:39 PM
OK. Duff. Your turn. Same position, but you play White now. Your turn!

Good luck!

The PGN for the game is below.

What PGN viewer do you use? I use CompoChess. It supports both regular chess and FRC.

There is a link to download it at our club's website (http://frcec.chess960.info/), if you are interested.

Jose

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[Event "M0544"]
[Site "FRCEC-FM"]
[Date "2005.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Duff McKagan"]
[Black "Jose Carrillo"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Position: 149 NRBBNQKR"]
[BlackElo "1561"]
[FEN "nrbbnqkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/NRBBNQKR w KQkq f1 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[WhiteElo "1500"]

1. *

1.Nb3

I have something called Vektor for Mac. It has an engine from 1998 called Vanessa. It is fine for recording games in PGN.

Now for no "human error" in the notation. :cool:

j_carrillo_vii
02-06-2005, 11:10 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5

pax
02-06-2005, 11:49 AM
Hi Guys,

The ChessChat PGN viewer handles non-standard starting positions:

Game 1: Carillo-Duff
1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 Qa5 5.Nxa5

Game 2: Duff-Carillo
1.Nb3 e5

Duff McKagan
02-06-2005, 04:13 PM
That is fanPaxtic, thanks :clap:

ursogr8
02-06-2005, 04:34 PM
Kibbutzers allowed?

Previous game (December 2003-) suggested first moves that increased the 'mobility index' of the pieces.
Here 1W has enhanced the knights view by +3.

Either white or black could have obtained a bigger increase by moving the d-pawn.

starter

Duff McKagan
02-06-2005, 09:53 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5

2.e4

j_carrillo_vii
02-06-2005, 10:08 PM
Hi Guys,

The ChessChat PGN viewer handles non-standard starting positions:

Game 1: Carillo-Duff
1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.dxc5 Qxc5 4.Nb3 Qa5 5.Nxa5

Game 2: Duff-Carillo
1.Nb3 e5

Can it handle FRC castling?

j_carrillo_vii
02-06-2005, 10:11 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6

Duff McKagan
02-06-2005, 10:52 PM
1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3

Can you tell me where the K and R go if I want to castle K-side and for Q-side too.

Thanks :D

Bill Gletsos
02-06-2005, 11:35 PM
1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3

Can you tell me where the K and R go if I want to castle K-side and for Q-side too.

Thanks :DTo castle kingside the K stays where it is on g1 and the rook on h1 moves to f1. To castle queenside the K moves to c1 and the R on b1 moves to d1.

j_carrillo_vii
03-06-2005, 03:02 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6

Yes when you do O-O, g-castling (on the h-side), the king ends up on g1 and the rook on f1. And when you do O-O-O, c-castling (on the a-side), the king ends up on c1, and the rook on d1.

j_carrillo_vii
03-06-2005, 03:04 AM
Duff,

You can also check our club's page on FRC/Chess960 castling at:
http://frcec.chess960.info/FRC-Castling.htm

The definition for FRC castling is there with lots of examples.

Jose

Duff McKagan
03-06-2005, 09:20 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6

Yes when you do O-O, g-castling (on the h-side), the king ends up on g1 and the rook on f1. And when you do O-O-O, c-castling (on the a-side), the king ends up on c1, and the rook on d1.

That sounds like so much fun I want to castle right now :lol:

Let the red mist blow across the fields and the gaping maw of chance see me astride a victory.

Here, have a free pawn ;)

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 :evilb:

j_carrillo_vii
03-06-2005, 11:12 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4

Pawn was too tempting. Lets see what happens... :hmm:

Duff McKagan
03-06-2005, 01:37 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4

Pawn was too tempting. Lets see what happens... :hmm:

5.Qg2 is what happens ;)

pax
03-06-2005, 02:06 PM
Duff,

You can also check our club's page on FRC/Chess960 castling at:
http://frcec.chess960.info/FRC-Castling.htm

The definition for FRC castling is there with lots of examples.

Jose

I think it (the viewer) doesn't do FRC castling. You might have to restart from the FEN position after the castle.

j_carrillo_vii
03-06-2005, 09:59 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5

Ooooh K! :whistle:

j_carrillo_vii
03-06-2005, 10:02 PM
I think it (the viewer) doesn't do FRC castling. You might have to restart from the FEN position after the castle.

Thanks. I'll stick to CompoChess, which supports FRC castling.

Anyone interested in downloading CompoChess can get it free at:
http://www.mailchess.de/engl/indexe.html

Duff McKagan
04-06-2005, 07:32 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5

Ooooh K! :whistle:

No no no, that knight will not be permitted to stay there.

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3

Then: if 7...Nf6 Bg5

j_carrillo_vii
04-06-2005, 07:43 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6

If 8.Bxf6 then 8... Bxf6

Duff McKagan
05-06-2005, 12:32 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6

If 8.Bxf6 then 8... Bxf6

Oo, oo. Now I get to do that sexy FR castling thingo :D

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.0-0

Is that the correct way to write it?

This position has the "flavor" of a Kings Indian played by both sides. Q and R and Bs all gunning down the flank.

j_carrillo_vii
05-06-2005, 01:38 AM
Oo, oo. Now I get to do that sexy FR castling thingo :D Is that the correct way to write it?

This position has the "flavor" of a Kings Indian played by both sides. Q and R and Bs all gunning down the flank.

FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6

Yes O-O is the correct notation for the castling you just did. Your King stayed at g1, and your h-rook jumped to f1.

Not sure why you castled in this position, leaving your King in the half open g-file. We'll see... :hmm:

Duff McKagan
05-06-2005, 03:20 AM
Not sure why you castled in this position, leaving your King in the half open g-file. We'll see... :hmm:

So is yours :owned:

Looks like you want to link you knights together on f6 and d7.

I want to open you up like a tin can. :cool:

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 7.f4

j_carrillo_vii
05-06-2005, 03:42 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 7.f4 exf4

Duff McKagan
05-06-2005, 03:10 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 7.f4 exf4

That pawn on f4 can hang for a bit. :)

8.Nf3

j_carrillo_vii
06-06-2005, 01:27 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7

We are actually on move 10th, not 8th. Typos in our last two postings.

Duff McKagan
06-06-2005, 07:17 PM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7

We are actually on move 10th, not 8th. Typos in our last two postings.


Now, I reckon that that f4 pawn is pretty well unsaveable so I am going to ignore eating it for as long I can. I think I will just keep bringing my pieces over to where your king will die. And I also realy realy realy want some way of getting my light square Bishop into the game :( But it looks like a move or two too many to get it some paid employment.


1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Nd4

So far I think that my gambit pawn has given me enough compensation in activity. However, I see you getting ready to resist all attacks and leave me a clear pawn down ... I hope not :D

Cheers

j_carrillo_vii
07-06-2005, 02:36 AM
:whistle:
1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6 9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Nd4

So far I think that my gambit pawn has given me enough compensation in activity. However, I see you getting ready to resist all attacks and leave me a clear pawn down ... I hope not :D

Cheers

Ambigous move... :confused:

Which one of the Knights are you moving to d4?

Are you playing Nfd4 or Nbd4?

If Nfd4 or Nbd4 then 11... Nh7

You still have to prove that gambit pawn was worth it... :whistle:

Duff McKagan
07-06-2005, 07:17 AM
:whistle:

Ambigous move... :confused:

Which one of the Knights are you moving to d4?

Are you playing Nfd4 or Nbd4?

If Nfd4 or Nbd4 then 11... Nh7

You still have to prove that gambit pawn was worth it... :whistle:

Sorry mate, that was Nbd4 .. you know, moving my pieces toward you king :)

You are right about having yet to "prove" the gambit was good.

I think you are trying to swap off with my attacking pieces. I think may be I should take that pawn before you can rally some support for it following sharp play. So 12.Bxf4

j_carrillo_vii
07-06-2005, 07:25 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6
9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Nbd4 Nh7 12.Bxf4 Qg7

Duff McKagan
07-06-2005, 08:03 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6
9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Nbd4 Nh7 12.Bxf4 Qg7

OK ..... I have just got to gat my light square bishop hammering the f7 square :evilb:

13.c3

j_carrillo_vii
12-06-2005, 03:17 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6
9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Nbd4 Nh7 12.Bxf4 Qg7 13.c3 Bf6

PHAT
12-06-2005, 07:58 AM
FRC Position: 149 NRBBNQKR

1.Nb3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d6 4.g4 Nxg4 5.Qg2 h5 6.h3 Nf6 7.Bg5 g6 8.O-O Nb6
9.f4 exf4 10.Nf3 Nbd7 11.Nbd4 Nh7 12.Bxf4 Qg7 13.c3 Bf6

DUDE! where have you been!! The Duff Man has taken a walk since his last move. Likely to be back in a month or two. He said I should take over from him if you turned up. We play with a very similar style and rating. So nothing will change much. Hope you don't mind :D

Anyway, I just read his and your posts and I agree that you are trying to swap off white's attacking pieces to leave yourself a clear pawn up. I think I can see a way to land a B a R and a Q on f7. After all that was Duff's idea. BTW, is that plagorism?? :hmm: Let's see what happens after ...... Ta, Dummm

Queens Bish to d3.

j_carrillo_vii
12-06-2005, 01:40 PM
Hi Matthew,

You are taking over the Duff Man??? :eh:

That's very unusual. Where did he go? How come he didn't post that he was going away? and that he was delegating the game to you?

I must have missed the advise email from his post, and I've been so busy with my club activities that it wasn't until today that I checked the forum for his move.

To be honest, I rather wait for him to return to finish this game, if you don't mind.

What I'll do though, is start a new game with you if you are interested. I'll let you play white, and you can choose the Fischerandom Starting position.

Let me know if you are interested in a new game.

Jose