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chesslover
10-01-2004, 06:23 PM
ever since Johansen joined Rogers, in getting the highest official chess title, the GM title, it has been a long time for someone else to join these 2 grandmasters.

At one moment it was Wphl who was tipped to be the third GM, and he went overseas, but it seems that he is still no nearer to the GM title. Smeardon wanted to use the Australian Chess Champs, to see if he should make a serious tilt at the GM status, but his results in the ACC has not been very spectacular. Zhao was also at one time touted as the 3rd GM in our history, as was the very talented jean paul wallace - but they too seem to not have come close to the elusive GM title.

From the current group of top candidates, I think that IM Gary Lane is the strongest australian to have the chance of getting the GM title. IM Lane has been an IM for some time, and his great win in the Aust Chess CHampionship is testamount to his great playing abilty.

Or will Gary like others before him also not get the GM title, and we have to wait for another bunch of talented youngsters (Song and Ikeda) to get our third GM?

Lucena
21-04-2004, 01:51 PM
I'm surprised no one has posted on this thread up till now... it's a very interesting topic. I have to say Zhong-Yuan Zhao's looking pretty good at the moment

Ian Rout
21-04-2004, 01:54 PM
Does anybody know how many norms, if any, anybody has? (I have a vague recollection jammo has one from 1974, but has it expired?)

Alan Shore
21-04-2004, 03:07 PM
Does anybody know how many norms, if any, anybody has? (I have a vague recollection jammo has one from 1974, but has it expired?)

I didn't know norms could expire?

I would agree that Zong would be the closest at this stage.

Ian Rout
21-04-2004, 03:50 PM
I didn't know norms could expire?

My understanding is that until recently you had to get all your norms within a certain period (meaning that in effect they expired), but that this has been repealed.

I could be wrong on either or both points as it isn't of a lot of direct concern for me.

Oepty
21-04-2004, 04:27 PM
This was talked about on the old BB and I said then and I will say now. It will be the first Australian with enough talent who goes overseas for an extended period of time with the aim of becoming a GM. There is a number of players in Australia who I believe have the talent to become a GM. These would include, but certainly not limited to Wallace, Smerdon, Zhao and Tao. I have doubts any these are going to put in the committment in the near future.
The other way we might get a GM is if one decides to move here.
Scott

Rincewind
21-04-2004, 04:46 PM
The other way we might get a GM is if one decides to move here.

Or AR manages to woe and wed Judit Polgar. ;)

arosar
21-04-2004, 05:25 PM
Or AR manages to woe and wed Judit Polgar. ;)

Woe? Woe? Smart as.s. bas.tard!

Anyways mate, I got one fave. Check out this chick: Vera Papadopoulou

http://www.chessbase.com/images2/2004/dresden/dresden043x.jpg

http://www.chessbase.de/2004/dresdeneuro/r2/Dsc00316.jpg

Elisabeth Pähtz ain't that bad, but I'm not into these German chicks.

http://www.chessbase.com/images2/2004/dresden/dresden050x.jpg


AR

arosar
21-04-2004, 05:28 PM
And check out the fishnet on this number


http://www.chessbase.de/2004/dresdeneuro/r2/Image1.jpg


AR

Garvinator
21-04-2004, 05:46 PM
plz devote a new thread to your kiddy porn thanks ar :lol: :doh: :hand: :whistle:

arosar
21-04-2004, 05:49 PM
plz devote a new thread to your kiddy porn thanks ar :lol: :doh: :hand: :whistle:

You have a sense of humour after all gray. They're all over 18 man . . . I think! :eek:

AR

Rincewind
21-04-2004, 06:14 PM
Didn't Sasha Kosteniuk make the short list? :eek:

On second thoughts, perhaps you're right. She might want to recite some of her poetry to you. ;)

Garvinator
21-04-2004, 06:15 PM
You have a sense of humour after all gray. They're all over 18 man . . . I think! :eek:

AR
i do have a sense of humour ar, didnt you notice the :lol: ;)

chesslover
21-04-2004, 06:56 PM
My understanding is that until recently you had to get all your norms within a certain period (meaning that in effect they expired), but that this has been repealed.

I could be wrong on either or both points as it isn't of a lot of direct concern for me.

norms now go on forever

in theory you can get a norm in your teens, another one at middle age and the third when you are retired. Unlikely to ever happen, but they all count

Bill Gletsos
21-04-2004, 07:39 PM
norms now go on forever
In the past that was not always true.

chesslover
21-04-2004, 08:10 PM
In the past that was not always true.

Ian was talking now Supreme Leader

what happened to the old norms thathave expired under the old laws. Are they now valid under the new law?????? :confused:

chesslover
21-04-2004, 08:13 PM
I said then and I will say now. It will be the first Australian with enough talent who goes overseas for an extended period of time with the aim of becoming a GM. There is a number of players in Australia who I believe have the talent to become a GM. These would include, but certainly not limited to Wallace, Smerdon, Zhao and Tao. I have doubts any these are going to put in the committment in the near future.
The other way we might get a GM is if one decides to move here.
Scott

yes our third GM will have to go and get the norm overseas, or it will be someone who comes from overseas to live here

anyone knows how many Norms our current IMs have

wohl has one but dont think Lane has one

Lucena
24-04-2004, 10:12 PM
The other way we might get a GM is if one decides to move here.
Scott

Good point. Although I suspect that isn't what people are meaning what they talk about our third GM

Lucena
24-04-2004, 10:14 PM
Or AR manages to woe and wed Judit Polgar. ;)

I'm guessing that should be "woo" and she'd have to get divorced first or it'd be bigamy... :eek:

DoroPhil
24-04-2004, 10:47 PM
Hi,

Thats a very interesting topic.
I reckon none of those players you all mentioned (Wohl, Lane, etc) will ever become GM.
They have tried for ages and failed - so nothing suggests that they will ever succeed really.
In my opinion, our next GM can come form the next group of players.
They all have a reasonable rating already but maybe don't study chess a lot?
Also, have to be reasonably young, say under 30 perhaps.
So, lets find our next GM right now!!
Can anybody tell me which of the following players (taken from the top players list) are under the age of 30?

2245!! 8 NSW Berezina - Feldman, Irina [IM]
2245! 7 NSW Flatow, A (Fred) [FM]
2244! 6 NSW Kabir, Ruhul
2243!! 26 WA Boyd, Tristan
2241!! 10 SA Zaric, Srboljub
2238!! 0 VIC Hamilton, Douglas G [FM]
2236!! 6 NSW Seberry, Ralph B
2234!! 30 NSW Tan, Justin
2204!! 0 QLD Sorokina, Anastasia [WIM]
2201! 0 NSW Bouchaaya, Tony
2196!! 0 NSW Goris, Robert
2186! 7 NSW Scott, Ronald
2184!! 17 NSW Rej, Tomek
2181! 0 NSW Hirschhorn, Jeremy K
2180!! 11 VIC Hacche, David J
2162! 0 NSW Ayvazyan, Armen
2162!! 11 VIC Chow, Samuel
2159!! 19 WA Barber, Haydn J [FM]
2152! 7 VIC Partsi, Dimitry
2151!! 17 NSW Yu, Ronald
2150!! 0 VIC Aghamalyan, Armen
2149! 11 VIC Booth, Stewart
2148!! 14 NSW Rose, Adrian P
2145! 0 WA McCamon, Boyd
2145! 0 NSW Zirdum, Ivan

Who of them doesn't study chess much or not at all?
Surely some of people on this BB know that!
Which one of those players you think have enough talent ? Anybody ?

Alan Shore
24-04-2004, 11:29 PM
Hi,

Thats a very interesting topic.
I reckon none of those players you all mentioned (Wohl, Lane, etc) will ever become GM.
They have tried for ages and failed - so nothing suggests that they will ever succeed really.
In my opinion, our next GM can come form the next group of players.
They all have a reasonable rating already but maybe don't study chess a lot?
Also, have to be reasonably young, say under 30 perhaps.
So, lets find our next GM right now!!
Can anybody tell me which of the following players (taken from the top players list) are under the age of 30?

2245!! 8 NSW Berezina - Feldman, Irina [IM]
2245! 7 NSW Flatow, A (Fred) [FM]
2244! 6 NSW Kabir, Ruhul
2243!! 26 WA Boyd, Tristan
2241!! 10 SA Zaric, Srboljub
2238!! 0 VIC Hamilton, Douglas G [FM]
2236!! 6 NSW Seberry, Ralph B
2234!! 30 NSW Tan, Justin
2204!! 0 QLD Sorokina, Anastasia [WIM]
2201! 0 NSW Bouchaaya, Tony
2196!! 0 NSW Goris, Robert
2186! 7 NSW Scott, Ronald
2184!! 17 NSW Rej, Tomek
2181! 0 NSW Hirschhorn, Jeremy K
2180!! 11 VIC Hacche, David J
2162! 0 NSW Ayvazyan, Armen
2162!! 11 VIC Chow, Samuel
2159!! 19 WA Barber, Haydn J [FM]
2152! 7 VIC Partsi, Dimitry
2151!! 17 NSW Yu, Ronald
2150!! 0 VIC Aghamalyan, Armen
2149! 11 VIC Booth, Stewart
2148!! 14 NSW Rose, Adrian P
2145! 0 WA McCamon, Boyd
2145! 0 NSW Zirdum, Ivan

Who of them doesn't study chess much or not at all?
Surely some of people on this BB know that!
Which one of those players you think have enough talent ? Anybody ?

The ones I know of who are under 30:


2243!! 26 WA Boyd, Tristan
2234!! 30 NSW Tan, Justin
2186! 7 NSW Scott, Ronald
2184!! 17 NSW Rej, Tomek
2162!! 11 VIC Chow, Samuel
2151!! 17 NSW Yu, Ronald

1. Tristan is around 20 years old, I'm not sure how much work he puts into his chess but he has been a strong player for a while but haven't seen any indications he is an aspiring GM.

2. Justin is a very talented player but I think he lacks the motivation to work on his chess, I know he enjoys transfer chess and would be in the top 10 in the world for it.

3. Ronald is a very good friend of mine and is in my opinion a genius at chess but he's too busy with other things, I think he has no intentions of becoming a GM any time in the future.

4. Tomek's been a strong junior for years now, I don't know enough about him to comment on how seriously he takes chess at this time.

5. I'd say the same for Sam as I would for Tomek.

6. Ronald Yu's seems to me to be a very smart player, also extremely talented at all kinds of chess variants - he is still young and if he keeps at it could well be in line for a title in the future.

Rincewind
25-04-2004, 12:46 AM
I'm guessing that should be "woo" and she'd have to get divorced first or it'd be bigamy... :eek:

From Judit's pov, it would definitely be "woe". From Amiel's pov, prior marriages are merely "details". ;)

jase
25-04-2004, 06:59 PM
Wallace, Smerdon, Zhao, and Speck are the only current prospects of GM norms, in my opinion.

I think that Wohl has 1 GM norm, which puts him in front of the rest, but Alex is having too good a time to apply himself to the level of GM.

Kevin Bonham
25-04-2004, 08:11 PM
What about chesslover?

chesslover
26-04-2004, 05:15 PM
Wallace, Smerdon, Zhao, and Speck are the only current prospects of GM norms, in my opinion.

I think that Wohl has 1 GM norm, which puts him in front of the rest, but Alex is having too good a time to apply himself to the level of GM.

Given his extensive playing, Lane might also have a GM norm

But agree with you on your shortlist of 4 Jase. Lane and Wohl have been there for some time now and if they have not got it by now, it is not likeley they will ever get it. But the non expiry of normsalso helps them

Would you choose someone for the Olympiad, just so that they can 'develop"? If so, maybe one of the youngsters in the list, Smerdon or Zhao, could be picked on tha basis. Other sports "blood" youngsters to develop them

Kerry Stead
26-04-2004, 06:22 PM
Could Zhao or Smerdon be selected because they deserve to be in the team perhaps??
Rogers & Johansen are definites, and I'd have to say that Lane would be in the team after his Australian Champs win. I think the last 3 spots are the toughest to decide ... as most others have found also.
I'd put Zhao & Smerdon in the team - they are in pretty good form and are the start of a potential new generation of Aussie chess players.
The final place is tougher to pick. Wohl has been in good form (albeit a little patchy) in Europe, however he has never really had a good Olympiad. Speck hasn't played in Australia as far as I'm aware, and although he had some success on his European trip, he was also inconsistent. He does have the advantage of having a good Olypiad behind him from last time. Wallace hasn't played chess for over a year as far as I know. Although he was in good form before he left, his inactivity will probably count against him. Tao is a difficult one - he plays very infrequently, yet his Australian Championship was fantastic, and he seems to be able to play the big games well. Chapman is in a similar boat, although he doesn't quite have the 'Rainman' factor of Tao. Solomon has also been in very good form, but I don't think its quite enough to get him in the team, but you never know.

As far as a possible GM is concerned, I'd say Smerdon and Zhao would be the only realistic chances of the current crop, with Tao as an outsider. The difficulty as has been pointed out is that the players need to travel overseas to get the required norms. Smerdon and Zhao might be intertested, although they would probably need to put their university studies on hold, or arrange for some kind of exchange program (to do part of their degree overseas). Wallace doesn't seem to be interested at the moment, while Speck has to walk before he can run and get the IM title. Not quite sure of Tao's situation, but if he had the time I think he has the potential to get there. Otherwise we have to wait for someone from our next crop of juniors, or hope that one of our lads or lasses can attract a GM to these shores permanently.

chesslover
26-04-2004, 07:08 PM
Otherwise we have to ........hope that one of our lads or lasses can attract a GM to these shores permanently.

whose our best hope for doing that???

AMiel seems to have volunteered for this, but his photos of his propspectives have been deleted :)

Lucena
26-04-2004, 08:09 PM
From Judit's pov, it would definitely be "woe". From Amiel's pov, prior marriages are merely "details". ;)
Amiel you old Don Juan you :D ;)

Kevin Bonham
26-04-2004, 08:15 PM
Would you choose someone for the Olympiad, just so that they can 'develop"?

Without commenting on the strengths of any candidate or candidates, I can say that selectors are required to select "in order of playing strength" unless Council determines otherwise. Future development is not a selection criterion.

Kerry Stead
26-04-2004, 09:07 PM
whose our best hope for doing that???

AMiel seems to have volunteered for this, but his photos of his propspectives have been deleted :)

I'd actually think that someone who wasn't connected with chess would probably be the best bet! I mean seriously, if Amiel's the best we have ...

He also left Regina Pokorna off his previous list ... unless she's already taken of course ...

Oepty
27-04-2004, 11:19 AM
As far as Tao prospects of becoming a GM, well in the near future no. Chess is very low on his priority list as far as I can tell. I think he will most probably play if there is a strong tournament in Adelaide, but I see no signs of him travelling for chess, that is interstate let alone overseas. Having said that he is going to be an occassional board 1 for one of Adelaide University interclub teams in the Grade competition starting tonight. This is something he has chosen not to do previously. I have no doubt in my mind Tao would become a GM if he put his mind to it for a couple years.
Scott

Lucena
04-05-2004, 05:41 PM
Yeah Kevin, I actually think by posting this thread, Chesslover gave away the fact that subconsciously HE thinks he will be Australia's next GM! [ROTFL]

nb for what it's worth, I'm not having a go at Jose as I'm not especially convinced that Jose is the best candidate for Chesslover-dom

boardumb
05-05-2004, 12:31 AM
i remember talking to zong-yuan a few years back and he said it was his intention to become GM before a certain age or he'd give up trying to become a professional chess player.

i don't know if that's changed.

jenni
05-05-2004, 09:44 AM
i remember talking to zong-yuan a few years back and he said it was his intention to become GM before a certain age or he'd give up trying to become a professional chess player.

i don't know if that's changed.

Yuan is doing Medicine now, so I think that is his main priority at the moment.

A few years ago Yuan took 6 months off school and travelled around Europe - I think he loved it so much, he was seriously thinking of turning professional, but in the end he decided to do medicine. I thik he would make a great doctor, as he is a very warm, caring person.

While this does not preclude him becoming a GM, it is going to make it difficult in the short term.

Alan Shore
05-05-2004, 06:06 PM
I have no doubt in my mind Tao would become a GM if he put his mind to it for a couple years.
Scott

I agree, that guy's a genius.

If no one's clear about our next GM, how about our next IM? I would think George Xie has a good chance of attaining the IM title next, his chess has improved greatly in recent times.

Lucena
05-05-2004, 10:16 PM
I agree, that guy's a genius.

If no one's clear about our next GM, how about our next IM? I would think George Xie has a good chance of attaining the IM title next, his chess has improved greatly in recent times.

I'm backing Greg Canfell for our next IM

Oepty
06-05-2004, 11:53 AM
Trevor Tao has 2 IM norms so I guess he has to be a strong chance. He needs a round robin IM norm to get the title. Bjelobrk is a strong chance to get a IM title before any Australian. Canfell is in good form and has the talent and I think has one norm so would have to be a chance. Speck also has an IM norm and has the talent as well.
Scott

Rhubarb
06-05-2004, 07:13 PM
Now that FIDE have eased the requirements, Dmitri Gedevani could make another application for the IM title and would be a certainty. His original application in the mid-90s was rejected on a technicality, even though he had 4 good norms plus a rating over 2400 at the time of the application.

Dmitri hasn't played for many years now, but he certainly deserves the title.

Of course, the highest placed non-IM who gets at least 6/9 in the next sub-zonal (if there is one) will become an IM.

Alan Shore
06-05-2004, 08:06 PM
Now that FIDE have eased the requirements, Dmitri Gedevani could make another application for the IM title and would be a certainty. His original application in the mid-90s was rejected on a technicality, even though he had 4 good norms plus a rating over 2400 at the time of the application.

Dmitri hasn't played for many years now, but he certainly deserves the title.

Of course, the highest placed non-IM who gets at least 6/9 in the next sub-zonal (if there is one) will become an IM.

I thought I heard something a while back about FIDE awarding Gedevani the IM title.. anyone know more about it?

Rhubarb
06-05-2004, 08:10 PM
I thought I heard something a while back about FIDE awarding Gedevani the IM title.. anyone know more about it?
http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=3200078

Bill Gletsos
06-05-2004, 08:24 PM
I thought I heard something a while back about FIDE awarding Gedevani the IM title.. anyone know more about it?
I would have to suggest you heard them incorrectly then.

Alan Shore
06-05-2004, 09:00 PM
I would have to suggest you heard them incorrectly then.

Or perhaps I heard correctly and that party was misinformed... :rolleyes:

Trent Parker
08-05-2004, 07:32 PM
In the long term, (perhaps, hopefully not our next) what does everyone think about Raymond Song being a GM in the long term? He is a very good player now??

It is a very long road ahead though.

jenni
08-05-2004, 09:02 PM
In the long term, (perhaps, hopefully not our next) what does everyone think about Raymond Song being a GM in the long term? He is a very good player now??

It is a very long road ahead though.

I don't think it is a matter of talent - Ray is obviously a very talented boy, but I suspect half the juniors (if not more), who reach a rating of 2000+ are capable of becoming a GM. It has a lot more to do with motivation - it is a tough road as you have said and you have to give up a lot in order to achieve it.

Ray currently has a passion for chess - but will that be retained during High School and the HSC? Will he give chess priority over Uni say? All far too hard to predict for a 10 year old boy!

Part of the problem is Aussie kids have too many choices and opportunities - which is a good thing, but makes it harder to put everything aside to follow the GM dream, particularly when monetary rewards are not all that stunning.

You wouldn't become a GM vs a medical specialist or lawyer, for the money - it has to be because you have a passion for chess. I've seen that passion die in too many kids as they hit the teenage years.

Alan Shore
08-05-2004, 10:17 PM
Part of the problem is Aussie kids have too many choices and opportunities - which is a good thing, but makes it harder to put everything aside to follow the GM dream, particularly when monetary rewards are not all that stunning.

You wouldn't become a GM vs a medical specialist or lawyer, for the money - it has to be because you have a passion for chess. I've seen that passion die in too many kids as they hit the teenage years.

Sadly that passion died for me many years ago.. it would take incredible devotion and love for the game to want to do chess full-time. I believe it's because there is more to life than just chess and for most, it is too difficult to attain such GM status without sacrificing so much for it.

Rhubarb
08-05-2004, 10:54 PM
I believe it's because there is more to life than just chess.

But BD, your assumption is that because these people have become grandmasters, they have given up everything else? The grandmasters I know have far more general knowledge, are far more intelligent, are far more compassionate, and are far more aware of their social choices and responsibilities than any other class of people I have met inside or outside of chess (and for the record, that includes five hard years in the trade-publishing industry, which is full of the most venal, stupid f-wits you could ever hope to meet).

Alan Shore
08-05-2004, 11:01 PM
But BD, your assumption is that because these people have become grandmasters, they have given up everything else? The grandmasters I know have far more general knowledge, are far more intelligent, are far more compassionate, and are far more aware of their social choices and responsibilities than any other class of people I have met inside or outside of chess (and for the record, that includes five hard years in the trade-publishing industry, which is full of the most venal, stupid f-wits you could ever hope to meet).

Oh not necessarily Greg, I'm glad you pointed that out, some top players are involved in a multitude of other acitivities and pursuits, I have great respect for anyone that is well rounded, with knowledge in many varying areas, be them intellectual or otherwise - I know however there are those who have sacrificed other pursuits for chess though.

There are some who simply believe chess to be their calling.. indeed it's my assertion that you should always pursue what you love doing and if chess is that number one thing in one's life, I say go for it. I once spoke to Daryl Johansen about this who agreed - he finished a biology degree and is a very smart guy but for him, it was always going to be chess because the passion was there.

By the way, I started a separate thread on 'what might have been' had players never pursued chess.

Rhubarb
08-05-2004, 11:21 PM
There are some who simply believe chess to be their calling.. .

Right, and why shouldn't they? Chess is the game of choice - it is considered the finest distillation of intellectual competition. It will always have its place in the firmament, and its grandmasters will be rightly revered amongst the intelligentsia (cf. the buffoons that populate the football codes).

Alan Shore
08-05-2004, 11:38 PM
Right, and why shouldn't they? Chess is the game of choice - it is considered the finest distillation of intellectual competition. It will always have its place in the firmament, and its grandmasters will be rightly revered amongst the intelligentsia (cf. the buffoons that populate the football codes).

I believe it's a matter of priorities in one's life, one may think their life is better served to an alternate purpose, others that chess is the penultimate - it is a choice entirely for the individual, if that's the path they choose, so be it. From a philosophical viewpoint one's intellectual capabilities may be better channeled, however from a competetive angle, with chess being a game it's up to the individual, if they are so inclined, to give all they can for the love of the game.

Alan Shore
08-05-2004, 11:59 PM
Haha, more's the pity that it's often the best leaders are those who don't have the lust for power.. yet how seldom is it people like this are given such opportunities..

Alan Shore
09-05-2004, 06:17 PM
Why did you delete your posts Greg?

Rhubarb
11-05-2004, 02:47 AM
Why did you delete your posts Greg?

Basically, it was because I sobered up and got off my high horse. In future I'll try not to post on the bb when I'm wasted...

Duff McKagan
12-05-2004, 05:20 AM
Basically, it was because I sobered up and got off my high horse. In future I'll try not to post on the bb when I'm wasted...

Hehe. How much study do you put into the game Greg? Will you play grade matches for once this year? I predict that Charles Z will be beating on your door soon :)

PHAT
12-05-2004, 05:47 AM
Basically, it was because I sobered up and got off my high horse. In future I'll try not to post on the bb when I'm wasted...

Piss weak. I don't scrub my crap - just live with it. You seem to be a pretty OK bloke to me, so people will forgive you a bit of a rave.

Bill Gletsos
12-05-2004, 10:25 AM
Piss weak. I don't scrub my crap - just live with it.
Thats generally because your posts when your not sober often end up being deleted by the moderators.
Also unlike your inebriated posts, at least Gregs posts were coherent and readable.


You seem to be a pretty OK bloke to me, so people will forgive you a bit of a rave.
Actually I read all of Greg's posts and saw no reason why he should have deleted them.

Garvinator
12-05-2004, 10:27 AM
Thats generally because your posts when your not sober often end up being deleted by the moderators.
Also unlike your inebriated posts, at least Gregs posts were coherent and readable.


Actually I read all of Greg's posts and saw no reason why he should have deleted them.
did anyone actually think greg was drunk when he made his deleted posts? I didnt.

Bill Gletsos
12-05-2004, 10:46 AM
did anyone actually think greg was drunk when he made his deleted posts? I didnt.
Neither did I.
As I noted they were easily readable and fully coherent.

Lucena
12-05-2004, 10:46 AM
Now that FIDE have eased the requirements, Dmitri Gedevani could make another application for the IM title and would be a certainty. His original application in the mid-90s was rejected on a technicality, even though he had 4 good norms plus a rating over 2400 at the time of the application.

Dmitri hasn't played for many years now, but he certainly deserves the title.

Of course, the highest placed non-IM who gets at least 6/9 in the next sub-zonal (if there is one) will become an IM.

What was the technicality?

Rhubarb
12-05-2004, 11:59 AM
How much study do you put into the game Greg? Will you play grade matches for once this year?
Not nearly enough.

Yeah I am playing for once, for my local club Wests Ashfield.

Rhubarb
12-05-2004, 12:00 PM
Piss weak. I don't scrub my crap - just live with it. You seem to be a pretty OK bloke to me, so people will forgive you a bit of a rave.
You're probably right Matt, a good rave every so often does wonders for the system.

Rhubarb
12-05-2004, 12:09 PM
What was the technicality?
According to Peter Parr, who helped put the application together with Ian & Cathy Rogers, Gede's first norm was from long before he came to Australia. His 2nd, 3rd and 4th norms were not quite within the five-year cutoff of the time. Since there's no time restrictions anymore, he should be a certainty.

Alan Shore
12-05-2004, 12:53 PM
So, to quote David Caldon, Where has Dmitri Gedevani gone?

Edit: For those unfamiliar with David Caldon I have done a rerun of his BB post under 'Blast from the past' in the General Chess Chat section.

PHAT
12-05-2004, 04:26 PM
You're probably right Matt, a good rave every so often does wonders for the system.

Then my system must be beyond sublime.

Kevin Bonham
12-05-2004, 06:35 PM
Then my system must be beyond sublime.

Indeed. Overdosed. :owned:

(runs away)

Alan Shore
13-05-2004, 01:43 AM
Basically, it was because I sobered up and got off my high horse. In future I'll try not to post on the bb when I'm wasted...

I don't understand it, I've just drunk 10 beers yet I am still perfectly capable of coherent typing.. I must have developed some sort of reistance to alcohol over the past couple of years.. back when I was 17/18 I would have been completely smashed, haha.

Lucena
18-05-2004, 10:45 AM
I don't understand it, I've just drunk 10 beers yet I am still perfectly capable of coherent typing.. I must have developed some sort of reistance to alcohol over the past couple of years.. back when I was 17/18 I would have been completely smashed, haha.
But maybe the alcohol only deludes you into thinking that you are typing coherently. :D

Alan Shore
18-05-2004, 06:12 PM
But maybe the alcohol only deludes you into thinking that you are typing coherently. :D

Hehe, a fanciful notion but the evidence speaks for itself, there's nothing incoherent in my above post.. is there? :p

Lucena
26-05-2004, 11:33 AM
Hehe, a fanciful notion but the evidence speaks for itself, there's nothing incoherent in my above post.. is there? :p
no I was only teasing :D

arosar
30-08-2004, 05:18 PM
What's this rumour I hear that there is a foreign GM who is contemplating becoming a permanent resident here? I understand that this GM is presently somewhere in Sydney.

Anyone in the know can shed more light on this?

Cheers,

AR

jenni
30-08-2004, 05:29 PM
What's this rumour I hear that there is a foreign GM who is contemplating becoming a permanent resident here? I understand that this GM is presently somewhere in Sydney.

Anyone in the know can shed more light on this?

Cheers,

AR

Dianne Illingworth told me Max is getting coaching from an eastern European GM at the moment.

arosar
31-08-2004, 12:28 PM
Hey jenni, would you be able to suss out more info from your connections? Thanks.

AR

Trent Parker
31-08-2004, 12:39 PM
y don't u ask Diane Illingworth yourself on sunday? max is playing in the NSW champs

Bill Gletsos
31-08-2004, 12:43 PM
y don't u ask Diane Illingworth yourself on sunday? max is playing in the NSW champs
You know AR.
He cant wait till Sunday for the goss. ;)

jenni
31-08-2004, 04:44 PM
Hey jenni, would you be able to suss out more info from your connections? Thanks.

AR

Dianne doesn't check her e-mail very often so might be quicker (although lengthier :) ) to ask her on Sunday. I'll ask a couple of others and see if they know.

jenni
01-09-2004, 09:13 AM
Hey jenni, would you be able to suss out more info from your connections? Thanks.

AR

Got a bit of info from a "connection".

They couldn't remember his name, but thought he was doing coaching for Brett Tindall. Rating is not as high as Ian Roger's and might be someone Brett met in Singapore.

So Brett might be the person to ask.

Oepty
01-09-2004, 01:32 PM
I believe the player you are talking about is GM Dejan Antic. This is the same player who has been mentioned as playing in the Australian Open
Scott

jenni
01-09-2004, 03:44 PM
If it is Antic, then he is looking to come to Aus permanently.

arosar
01-09-2004, 03:46 PM
If it is Antic, then he is looking to come to Aus permanently.

What is your information on this matter?

Also, can such persons, somehow, retain their foreign allegiance within FIDE and still become a permanent resident or citizen? The purpose is for titles, norms, etc.

AR

Ian Rout
01-09-2004, 04:02 PM
What is your information on this matter?

Also, can such persons, somehow, retain their foreign allegiance within FIDE and still become a permanent resident or citizen? The purpose is for titles, norms, etc.

AR
The FIDE site lists GM Antic as Serbian - it is unlikely he would want to retain his nationality, as Serbia/Montenegro would have rather more GMs and top players than Australia.

jenni
01-09-2004, 04:37 PM
What is your information on this matter?

Also, can such persons, somehow, retain their foreign allegiance within FIDE and still become a permanent resident or citizen? The purpose is for titles, norms, etc.

AR

Had an e-mail from him in June, saying he wanted to live and work in Aus, but needed a job offer for visa application. I replied saying that although ACT desperately needed coaches, we weren't in a position to offer a job - it would be more starting a small business.

arosar
01-09-2004, 04:52 PM
Well, given that he's a GM he should be able to charge a premium for coaching in Sydney.

So he's with Tindall's mob, is he? Man, that Sydney Chess Academy is going great, ain't it? It's got no competition in Sydney I don't think.

AR

Alan Shore
01-09-2004, 05:09 PM
Well, given that he's a GM he should be able to charge a premium for coaching in Sydney.

So he's with Tindall's mob, is he? Man, that Sydney Chess Academy is going great, ain't it? It's got no competition in Sydney I don't think.

AR

Reagrding competition, Gardiner Chess has taken over Ian Murray's QLD School of Chess, so now there is only one large company.

JGB
02-09-2004, 02:29 AM
Well, given that he's a GM he should be able to charge a premium for coaching in Sydney.

So he's with Tindall's mob, is he? Man, that Sydney Chess Academy is going great, ain't it? It's got no competition in Sydney I don't think.

AR
Hi mate,
Pretty hard for the 'tourist' to get a job in Aus legally for a Visa espicially if the are over 28. There are also laws against opening your own business for tourist which is strictly forbidden. To stay in Aus they need a firm job offer from a company and that is provided the fill certain requirements, including that no unemployed Australian can do that job (which in the case of a GM chess coach, he would qualify).
Ive looked into it for a few mates over here, by the way they are all GM's also. The Visa thing is a big problem espically when there coming from Russia, or Serbia also.

Oepty
02-09-2004, 02:57 PM
I think Antic is here on a working visa. As to if he is going to live here permantly, I have no idea.
As far as changing country of allegiance there are quite a number of players living in Australia who appear on orther lists. Hare, Bjelobrk, Horstmann, McCamon and Froehlich to name just a few.
Scott

Trizza
03-09-2004, 01:12 PM
I think Antic is here on a working visa. As to if he is going to live here permantly, I have no idea.
As far as changing country of allegiance there are quite a number of players living in Australia who appear on orther lists. Hare, Bjelobrk, Horstmann, McCamon and Froehlich to name just a few.
Scott

Boyd McCamon has been living in WA for a number of years now (6 or 7 I think), and Tim Hare and Michael Horstmann moved to WA roughly a couple of years ago.

Michael Horstmann has played in the last 2 FIDE rated Midland Masters and I remember the tournament organiser (Rob Maris) asking Gary Bekker what was required for him to be moved to the Aussie list, but I don't know if anything happened.

Trent Parker
17-11-2004, 09:04 AM
I think Antic is here on a working visa. As to if he is going to live here permantly, I have no idea.
As far as changing country of allegiance there are quite a number of players living in Australia who appear on orther lists. Hare, Bjelobrk, Horstmann, McCamon and Froehlich to name just a few.
Scott

Just some news on Antic. His Visa expires soon so he is returning to serbia in a couple of days.

Now, he had intended on staying in Aus until after the Australian Open but they stuffed up his visa.

So ggray i'm sorry to say that Antic is not a definite for the Aus open. :confused:

He is applying for a permanent residency in Australia. So when he returns he will be bringing his family with him. He told me that it will depend on several factors as to whether he will make the trip back to Aus for the Aus Open, Including whether he will have the finances to make the move at that time.

so the 3rd GM in Aus might be Antic.

Apparently he will be basing himself in Sydney because he didn't like the weather in Melbourne.

Recherché
17-11-2004, 09:51 AM
Apparently he will be basing himself in Sydney because he didn't like the weather in Melbourne.

He's from Serbia and didn't like Melbourne's weather? I would have thought Melbourne winters would be a fair bit more palatable than Serbian ones. And we don't get Sydney's summer humidity...

The Melbourne vs Sydney thing is in another thread, though, and I sure weather isn't the only factor in his decision.

Bill Gletsos
17-11-2004, 11:33 AM
He's from Serbia and didn't like Melbourne's weather? I would have thought Melbourne winters would be a fair bit more palatable than Serbian ones. And we don't get Sydney's summer humidity...
He probably hasnt experienced summer in Sydney. ;)

arosar
17-11-2004, 12:06 PM
It's like my first summer in Australia. FMD! It felt like the sun was a lot closer to the surface!

AR

Alan Shore
17-11-2004, 12:06 PM
He probably hasnt experienced summer in Sydney. ;)

He might expire if he journeyed north to our lands then!

Alan Shore
25-11-2005, 02:32 AM
If no one's clear about our next GM, how about our next IM? I would think George Xie has a good chance of attaining the IM title next, his chess has improved greatly in recent times.

Woo, correct prediction! :D

pax
25-11-2005, 06:33 AM
Woo, correct prediction! :D

He's not an IM yet ;)

(not that I can see anyone beating him to it)

Davidflude
30-11-2005, 06:59 PM
Surely Cecil Purdy was a correspondence GM. THat makes three Aussie GM's.

Seriously the problem over the board Australians face is the tyranny of distance.

Our players do not get enough opportunities to play in strong tournaments.

If they want to reach GM standard they are going to have to go to Europe and play and play and play and study and study and study.

I think back to Ergas and the frighteningly good kids. I think that alas most of them will hit the wall. Secondary school will cut down the time that they can spend on chess and university even more.

Arrogant-One
01-12-2005, 06:12 AM
The question is not whether God exists, rather it is whether 'chesslover' exists? If so, the next question is whether he suffers from mental illness thus causing him to believe that God does not exist.

Chesslover, just because you can see yourself does not mean you exist. You better ask God just to make sure. :P

ElevatorEscapee
01-12-2005, 07:05 AM
Hmmm... does Arrogant_One exist? :P

four four two
01-12-2005, 10:32 AM
David ,our players can get GM norms in asia as well. Its closer and costs less to stay there for extended periods.
The key question is,why isnt there at least 1 GM tournament organised in Australia every year? :hmm:
Now I know the negative nellies on this bb will say"Its a waste of money to have a GM tournament in Australia",but frankly thats a load of rubbish.
What these negative types fail to realise is that a GM tournament would give local players something to aim for,and thus raise the standard of chess at the top of the pyramid. By having more titled players over 2400+ you will raise Australia's world ranking within FIDE.The higher our world ranking,the easier it will be to get regular commercial sponsorship for chess in Australia.
This could produce a flow on effect for all players in Australia.Companies may start sponsoring at the top echelon,and expand their sponsorship to promising juniors.

At the moment if youre a 2200-2400 FIDE rated player in this country you have very few chances of getting an IM norm,and even less of a chance of getting a GM norm. You have to save around $10,000 to $20,000 to travel overseas for an extended period to get the 3 GM norms,this is an obstacle that chess organisers in Australia should be trying to eliminate for local players.
With this years Australian championship,last years Australian open and the Saintly cup[1999],we have only managed 3 GM tournaments in 6 years.
How can Australia be expected to fulfill its potential as a chess country with such limited oppurtunities? :hmm: We have over 12 IMs,surely we should be trying to help those players to have a go at getting a GM title. ;)

shaun
01-12-2005, 10:44 AM
David ,our players can get GM norms in asia as well. Its closer and costs less to stay there for extended periods.
The key question is,why isnt there at least 1 GM tournament organised in Australia every year? :hmm:
Now I know the negative nellies on this bb will say"Its a waste of money to have a GM tournament in Australia",but frankly thats a load of rubbish.

I'm not sure I've heard this argument put seriously on the bulletin board, or in wider chess circles for that matter.
Instead the main obstacle is finding the money and getting people to organise the event.

Kerry Stead
01-12-2005, 01:33 PM
I'm not sure I've heard this argument put seriously on the bulletin board, or in wider chess circles for that matter.
Instead the main obstacle is finding the money and getting people to organise the event.
Perhaps someone like Mr Ergas who is willing to sponsor chess could have his arm twisted to put on a GM event?
Obviously both Ian & Darryl would have to be keen on the idea, but it would be a great opportunity for our younger titlists & GM hopefuls like Smerdon, Zhao, Xie & others to get a GM norm. Perhaps others such as Solomon & Wohl who already have GM norms to their credit could also be invited to play ... along with a foreign GM or two.

jenni
01-12-2005, 03:58 PM
Perhaps someone like Mr Ergas who is willing to sponsor chess could have his arm twisted to put on a GM event?
.

I think he is more interested in helping kids than chess particularly....

I still don't know whether sponsorship will continue next year.

four four two
01-12-2005, 06:09 PM
I'm not sure I've heard this argument put seriously on the bulletin board, or in wider chess circles for that matter.
Instead the main obstacle is finding the money and getting people to organise the event.

Just for the record this a debate I had with Pax in the Aus champs rule thread.


I'm afraid GM tournaments are a waste of time and money right now, as there is nobody close to GM standard. Don't forget that they need a rating of 2500 as well as the norms. Lane and Zhao are the closest, both rated under 2450. IMO they would need to get their ratings up to around 2480 before you start putting on special GM norm events for them.

As for the next batch of GMs being over 30, would you care to name names? Lane has been on a plateau for the last few years despite his impressive Aus Champs win. Nobody else looks even remotely close to reaching GM standard. The best hopes of a GM title seem to me to be maybe Zhao and someone yet to emerge - maybe one of the current crop of juniors like Ly Ikeda and Song, or maybe someone we haven't even seen yet.



There was also this...


Do they have the potential for a GM norm? Some of them, probably. Lane scored a performance rating over 2600 in the 02-03 Championships, which would have been a norm had he played another GM. Wohl has come pretty close to a norm a couple of times I think (maybe even has one)? Solomon I think got a norm waay back (probably expired by now). Can't see Gluzman getting one - especially since he's practically retired.

But would any of them get the title? Not impossible, but the chances are pretty slim. I don't think it's worth putting on special GM norm events for players rated around 2400

The_Wise_Man
13-12-2005, 10:50 PM
Does anyone think that there may be a player this summer that will be a GM norm out of the Aus Champs/Queenstown?

Wise

Ian Rout
14-12-2005, 12:41 PM
Does anyone think that there may be a player this summer that will be a GM norm out of the Aus Champs/Queenstown?

Wise
Someone pointed out on another thread that it's hard to get a norm in a Swiss, even a restricted one, because even if you play well enough you rely on the luck of the draw to give you the right field to meet the requirements. In terms of whether anybody will play well enough though, a number of players have done it or gone close so it's realistic to say that it could happen if the draw pans out. Given that it's mathematically possible it's not completely out of the question, I believe Darryl Johansen made one of his norms at an Australian Championship.