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Rincewind
08-04-2005, 02:34 PM
Anyone know any details?

Trent Parker
08-04-2005, 08:03 PM
Info to be received by clubs shortly.

The_Wise_Man
29-04-2005, 12:31 AM
We are organsing the teams at St George and its looking like there may be 7 teams (up from 5 last year)

We are looking at having teams in all grades and 2 teams in each of the U1800 and U1400. I am hoping to play half the games in the U1600 and a few in the U1800.

What other teams are out there? Who else will be playing for what team...

Wise

Brian_Jones
29-04-2005, 09:37 AM
Rooty Hill will probably have 8 teams this year. We are only a small club - not like you big boys at St George!

Duff McKagan
29-04-2005, 02:38 PM
Guys, before blowing our own trumpets concider the number of teams as a proportion of total club members.

Could Wise and Brian quote these figures ? :D

auriga
29-04-2005, 05:09 PM
think rooty hill have 100 or so members.
website is pretty good at www.rootyhillchess.org
hmm. not sure about st george.

The_Wise_Man
30-04-2005, 02:31 AM
Wow.... 8 teams! well done Rooty Hill....

Should be some good tussles then with St George (and I expect North Sydney amongst the bigger clubs...)

(Duff: our membership stands around the 70 mark...)

I am genuinely excited about the club competition despite having to miss at least the first 4 rounds...

I also believe that there are some new teams appearing for the first time....

Wise

Duff McKagan
02-05-2005, 09:09 AM
Bill, what constitutes a "Club"? Could AR for example, put together a team and enter the open section next year called the Metrosexual Chess Club? ha ha

Cheers

Rincewind
02-05-2005, 10:23 AM
Bill, what constitutes a "Club"? Could AR for example, put together a team and enter the open section next year called the Metrosexual Chess Club? ha ha

I assume it would have to be a club which is affiliated with the NSWCA first (although I do see this explicitly mentioned in the rules book). All players would also need to be members of NSWCA as per Grade Match rules http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nswca/05GradeRules.htm

Of course a home venue would also need to be organised.

Bill Gletsos
02-05-2005, 02:07 PM
I assume it would have to be a club which is affiliated with the NSWCA first (although I do see this explicitly mentioned in the rules book).No they dont, however affiliated clubs get a discount on the team entry fees.

All players would also need to be members of NSWCA as per Grade Match rules http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nswca/05GradeRules.htmCorrect.

Of course a home venue would also need to be organised.That also. Outdoors in Hyde Park would not be acceptable. ;)

The_Wise_Man
08-05-2005, 02:12 PM
Participating Teams

Open Grade

Asquith Leagues
Canterbury
North Sydney Bears
North Sydney Grizzlies
Parramatta
Rooty Hill
St George
Sydney Chess Academy(A)

Under 2000 Grade

Campbelltown Collegians
Rooty Hill
Smithfield
St George
Wollongong

Under 1800 Grade

Croatia Sydney
Manly
Mount Pritchard
North Sydney
Rooty Hill Knights
Rooty Hill Rooks
Ryde Eastwood
St George Dragons
St George Saints

Under 1600 Grade

Canterbury
Fairfield
Manly
Mount Pritchard
North Sydney Bears
North Sydney Grizzlies
Rooty Hill Knights
Rooty Hill Rooks
Ryde Eastwood
St George
Wests
Wollongong

Under 1400 Grade

Canterbury
Fairfield
Manly
North Sydney
Rooty Hill Knights
Rooty Hill Rooks
Ryde Eastwood
St George Dragons
St George Saints
Wests

Can anyone tell if this is looking like a record number of teams/clubs?
May need to start creating divisions soon for some of the grades (u1600:12 teams)... or to play twice in some weeks to enable everyone to play at least once...

Wise

Trent Parker
08-05-2005, 05:41 PM
I'm playing for Fairfield in U 1400! So the other clubs better watch out! :lol:

Bill Gletsos
08-05-2005, 07:24 PM
Can anyone tell if this is looking like a record number of teams/clubs?Its the most teams for a few years. There were 40 from 17 clubs in 2001, 35 from 11 in 2002, 38 from 12 in 2003 and 40 from 13 in 2004. I dont have figures for the previous years handy.

Trent Parker
11-05-2005, 01:01 PM
Draw is up!

Here it is! (http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/scarratt/allgrade.htm
)

Garvinator
11-05-2005, 02:17 PM
Draw is up!

Here it is! (http://www.nswca.org.au/)
the link has linked me straight to the nswca home page, not the grade match rules and draw page, is that what you wanted tcn?

auriga
11-05-2005, 02:44 PM
the link has linked me straight to the nswca home page, not the grade match rules and draw page, is that what you wanted tcn?

the direct link is
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/scarratt/allgrade.htm

The_Wise_Man
18-05-2005, 11:07 PM
Sydney Academy have listed both Antic and Gil....

If both play it would make for a very strong side!

Wise

auriga
20-05-2005, 05:06 PM
Sydney Academy have listed both Antic and Gil....

If both play it would make for a very strong side!

Wise

yeah, i reckon overseas players (inc mexicans) should be barred! :D
the brown bears look strong but grizzles a bit weaker.
your dragons also look useful.

gotta go.. and watch the hurricanes win.

Thunderspirit
21-05-2005, 09:57 AM
Sydney Academy have listed both Antic and Gil....

If both play it would make for a very strong side!

Wise

And St George has Rogers and Zhao... if only Ben Martin were here to play board 3...

Thunderspirit
26-05-2005, 09:45 AM
How is Gil and Antic allowed to play Grade Matches under the rules set down by the NSWCA. Sure they both live in Sydney, and will become if they aren't already NSWCA members.

Firstly I would like to say that I believe that all players regardless of nationality and residence, and I fully supported the use of GM Nikolic (I think it was him...) when he played for St George when this whole issue blew up, though it's a bit rich of FM Brett Tindall to whinge about what we did, and then do the same himself.

Another annoying thing regarding these rules is the fact that each team has to list 8 players and can only use those 8, or players who have played lower division prior to playing up. This is unfair as long time St George players can't not be accessed if available. Two obvious examples of this are IM Ben Martin and FM Manuel Weeks. If we wanted to fly Ben from NZ for a game we can't under these rules. Manuel will be visiting Australia soon (Grades may be finished), and he would always play for St George if avaliable, but again we can't.

The rules should be changed to allow any player to play from anywhere as long as the club is willing to pay the $10 per game fee required by the association.

Bill Gletsos
26-05-2005, 11:05 AM
How is Gil and Antic allowed to play Grade Matches under the rules set down by the NSWCA. Sure they both live in Sydney, and will become if they aren't already NSWCA members.Under the existing NSWCA Grade Match rules both Gil and Antic are eligible.

Firstly I would like to say that I believe that all players regardless of nationality and residence, and I fully supported the use of GM Nikolic (I think it was him...) when he played for St George when this whole issue blew up, though it's a bit rich of FM Brett Tindall to whinge about what we did, and then do the same himself.Actually it was Ftacnik. It was clear Ftacnik was not a NSW resident nor had any plans of becoming a NSW resident.

Another annoying thing regarding these rules is the fact that each team has to list 8 players and can only use those 8, or players who have played lower division prior to playing up. This is unfair as long time St George players can't not be accessed if available. Two obvious examples of this are IM Ben Martin and FM Manuel Weeks. If we wanted to fly Ben from NZ for a game we can't under these rules. Manuel will be visiting Australia soon (Grades may be finished), and he would always play for St George if avaliable, but again we can't.A team consists of 4 players. As such by nominating 8 you are essentially allowed 4 players over 2000 who are reserves. Martin is currently not a NSW resident nor is he to my knowledge likely to become a NSW resident in the near future.

The rules should be changed to allow any player to play from anywhere as long as the club is willing to pay the $10 per game fee required by the association.This is not the world teams grade matches. The NSWCA Grade Matches are for NSW residents (or those planning on becoming residents) not whoever just happens to be available from interstate/overseas or for clubs with money to throw around.

Trent Parker
01-06-2005, 12:03 PM
Just a note that the U2000 draw will be changing after this week with the withdrawal of the Smithfield team

bergil
15-06-2005, 04:55 PM
Next year can we allow for state of origin series and arrange the draw so nobody plays on those nights?.

Fairfield's two teams both play on every night of the series :wall: , I'm sure we at Fairfield aren't Robinson Crusoe.

Trent Parker
30-06-2005, 12:49 AM
Well.... We don't play the last.... maybe the U1600 do? I dunno.

Hey Egor How'd your team go tonight?

Fairfield Defeated Rooty Hill Knights 3-1 tonight!

The_Wise_Man
06-07-2005, 02:32 AM
St George and Sydney Academy faced off tonight in the top of the table clash... It finished 2-all with Rogers and Zhao beating Gil and Smirnov on one and two for St George and Tindall and Quick beating Drummond and Koshnitsky on three and four for Sydney Academy....

Wise

sonyrobocup
06-07-2005, 08:49 AM
Zhao sacrificed the g3 pawn in the King's Indian Samisch and got a very strong king side attack. His queen on d7, bishop on f6 vs his opponent's king on f8 and rook on g8 an a8. Excellent piece coordination.

pax
06-07-2005, 10:14 AM
I'm curious: who is sonyrobocup, and are you going to Osaka next week?

sonyrobocup
06-07-2005, 10:49 AM
Yeah, I am going to Osaka next week.

arosar
06-07-2005, 10:57 AM
Martin is currently not a NSW resident nor is he to my knowledge likely to become a NSW resident in the near future.

Are both Gil and Antic residents? But what is the definition of resident exactly (6 months stay, 1 year, 2 years)?

AR

pax
06-07-2005, 11:23 AM
Yeah, I am going to Osaka next week.

Me too (rescue league). Drop me an email if you want to have a chat jonpaxman at gmail dot com (I assume you can't send PMs yet).

Trent Parker
06-07-2005, 11:23 AM
Are both Gil and Antic residents? But what is the definition of resident exactly (6 months stay, 1 year, 2 years)?

AR

I believe that they are currently not residents but the grade match booklets state that a player must be planning on becoming a resident which these two are....

Ian_Rogers
06-07-2005, 11:24 AM
[Event "Sydney Interclub"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.07.05"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Zhao, Zong Yuan"]
[Black "Smirnov, Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E80"]
[WhiteElo "2442"]
[BlackElo "2296"]
[PlyCount "49"]
[EventDate "2005.05.??"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[SourceDate "2001.09.18"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 e5 6. d5 Nh5 7. Be3 f5 8. Qd2 Bf6
9. exf5 gxf5 10. O-O-O Na6 11. Nh3 f4 12. Bf2 Bh4 13. g3 Bxh3 14. Bxh3 fxg3 15.
hxg3 Nxg3 16. Bxg3 Bxg3 17. Kb1 Bf4 18. Qc2 Be3 19. Rde1 Qg5 20. Ne4 Qf4 21.
Qa4+ Kf8 22. Qd7 Bb6 23. Be6 Nc5 24. Nxc5 Bxc5 25. Rh5 1-0

Trent Parker
06-07-2005, 11:27 AM
^^^^^^^
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 e5 6. d5 Nh5 7. Be3 f5 8. Qd2 Bf6
9. exf5 gxf5 10. O-O-O Na6 11. Nh3 f4 12. Bf2 Bh4 13. g3 Bxh3 14. Bxh3 fxg3 15.
hxg3 Nxg3 16. Bxg3 Bxg3 17. Kb1 Bf4 18. Qc2 Be3 19. Rde1 Qg5 20. Ne4 Qf4 21.
Qa4+ Kf8 22. Qd7 Bb6 23. Be6 Nc5 24. Nxc5 Bxc5 25. Rh5 1-0

Paul S
06-07-2005, 05:29 PM
St George and Sydney Academy faced off tonight in the top of the table clash... It finished 2-all with Rogers and Zhao beating Gil and Smirnov on one and two for St George and Tindall and Quick beating Drummond and Koshnitsky on three and four for Sydney Academy....

Wise

Canterbury beat the North Sydney Bears 4-0 on Monday.

So, after the preliminary rounds (7) the scores are (acording to NSWCA website) St George 19, Sydney Chess Academy 18.5 and Canterbury 18.

Should make for an interesting finals series (Rounds 8 to 10) where the top four teams play each other.

auriga
07-07-2005, 08:16 AM
why does the finals series in the sydney interclub
keep the scores from the preliminary round?
ie. the score are took forward into the finals.

wouldn't a finals series similar to the ARL be better?
(the ARL system is a fresh start and more exciting)

bergil
07-07-2005, 11:56 AM
why does the finals series in the sydney interclub
keep the scores from the preliminary round?
ie. the score are took forward into the finals.
To reward the teams for their play in the Preliminary rounds, otherwise they would finish the competition early after every team played each other once.



wouldn't a finals series similar to the ARL be better?
(the ARL system is a fresh start and more exciting)
No, teams finishing 2nd to 4th get a second chance against their opposition for the title. Just like making the cut in golf, but if you were too good early that form shouldn't count for nothing.

The_Wise_Man
26-07-2005, 12:49 AM
Congratulations to both Ryde Eastwood and St George Dragons in jointly winning the U1400 title.

A special mention in relation to Fairfield who were unfortunate not to join the winners finishing just half a point behind in third!

Trent Parker
26-07-2005, 09:26 AM
Congratulations to both Ryde Eastwood and St George Dragons in jointly winning the U1400 title.

A special mention in relation to Fairfield who were unfortunate not to join the winners finishing just half a point behind in third!
:doh: it was those two games i lost during the season. :doh:

bergil
26-07-2005, 11:42 PM
:doh: it was those two games i lost during the season. :doh:
No, it was any number of losses during the rounds. Don't forget Ryde Eastwood lost points and St George declined a draw on board 2 on the final round which would have given them the win outright :doh:

Fairfield's poor start caused by the under 1600's being short and putting players up may have been the real reason. We were 1.5 points after the first two weeks, a very poor start to the competition.

Congrats to both Ryde Eastwood and St George, well played :clap:

antichrist
27-07-2005, 05:52 AM
No, it was any number of losses during the rounds. Don't forget Ryde Eastwood lost points and St George declined a draw on board 2 on the final round which would have given them the win outright :doh:

Fairfield's poor start caused by the under 1600's being short and putting players up may have been the real reason. We were 1.5 points after the first two weeks, a very poor start to the competition.

Congrats to both Ryde Eastwood and St George, well played :clap:

TCN, if you want to get revenge just change to a club you despise next season - that will fix them.

Rincewind
27-07-2005, 08:49 AM
TCN, if you want to get revenge just change to a club you despise next season - that will fix them.

...and if he really loathes them, he could try to convince you to join too. ;)

antichrist
27-07-2005, 09:41 AM
...and if he really loathes them, he could try to convince you to join too. ;)

YES MISTER ANU OPEN!

That's the RW I like - he has had his cup of black coffee and firing on all 8

The_Wise_Man
06-08-2005, 05:57 PM
Congratulations to the Divisional Winners of the Grade Matches

Open - St George
u2000 - St George
u1800 - St George Dragons
u1600 - St George
u1400 - St George Dragons and Ryde-Eastwood (Joint)

Wise

PHAT
06-08-2005, 10:56 PM
Congratulations to the Divisional Winners of the Grade Matches

Open - St George
u2000 - St George
u1800 - St George Dragons
u1600 - St George
u1400 - St George Dragons and Ryde-Eastwood (Joint)

Wise

The largest field: U1600 2nd place Wollongong :cool:

Dozy
07-08-2005, 01:52 PM
Congratulations to the Divisional Winners of the Grade Matches

Open - St George
u2000 - St George
u1800 - St George Dragons
u1600 - St George
u1400 - St George Dragons and Ryde-Eastwood (Joint)

Wise
In all the controversy about the changed Open draw have we missed the point that St. George achieved something quite remarkable in winning all grades? At Rooty Hill we fielded 8 teams but kept running up against an in-form dragon and were only able to manage a 2nd (U1800), a 3rd and a handful of 4ths. Congratulations, St. George.

Garvinator
07-08-2005, 02:43 PM
Instead of having all this finals controversy, why not just play a double round robin with no finals? It would only be an extra three weeks if you include the one week off between round 7 and 8.

Kerry Stead
07-08-2005, 03:27 PM
Instead of having all this finals controversy, why not just play a double round robin with no finals? It would only be an extra three weeks if you include the one week off between round 7 and 8.
Garvin ... the comp is finished ... stop worrying about things that don't concern you and return to forfeiting people for writing down their moves before they play them! :mad:

Oepty
07-08-2005, 04:57 PM
Garvin ... the comp is finished ... stop worrying about things that don't concern you and return to forfeiting people for writing down their moves before they play them! :mad:

Kerry, I think that is a bit harsh, he was only offering an idea. What we have done in SA in the past is have a round-robin, followed by a Swiss pairing for the last few rounds. I have never studied the fairness of this, but I also have never heard of any complaints either. Of course we don't have the issue of home and away games to consider because all games are played at the Chess Centre.
Scott

Lucena
08-08-2005, 04:54 PM
Garvin ... the comp is finished ... stop worrying about things that don't concern you and return to forfeiting people for writing down their moves before they play them! :mad:

No offence Kez, but I didn't think Garvin's post was all that unreasonable.

antichrist
08-08-2005, 04:59 PM
No offence Kez, but I didn't think Garvin's post was all that unreasonable.

Poor GG has nothing to argue about in Qld chess because they do not post here, don't deny him his daily addiction. I will go to his comp one day and cause some mischief - they he will have something Qld to talk about

Alan Shore
08-08-2005, 05:17 PM
Poor GG has nothing to argue about in Qld chess because they do not post here, don't deny him his daily addiction. I will go to his comp one day and cause some mischief - they he will have something Qld to talk about

Streaking through the halls perhaps!?

Garvinator
08-08-2005, 05:50 PM
Streaking through the halls perhaps!?
no, debating loudly about increment time controls in the middle of the tournament hall ;)

Alan Shore
08-08-2005, 05:58 PM
no, debating loudly about increment time controls in the middle of the tournament hall ;)

Pshh, I could do that for you... I'd expect something diabolical from the antichrist, hehe.

antichrist
08-08-2005, 06:01 PM
Pshh, I could do that for you... I'd expect something diabolical from the antichrist, hehe.

I avoid comps because of increment time. So GG just keep those increment comps going and you won't see me.

antichrist
08-08-2005, 06:14 PM
Streaking through the halls perhaps!?
It may make "Inside Porn"

Garvinator
08-08-2005, 08:43 PM
I avoid comps because of increment time. So GG just keep those increment comps going and you won't see me.
there we go everyone, we now have the recipe for keeping ac away ;)

Lucena
14-10-2005, 07:15 PM
Streaking through the halls perhaps!?
Actually did you know that actually happened in the last round of an Australian Juniors once? (AC wasn't the culprit)