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Spiny Norman
11-03-2005, 05:38 PM
I have always had a soft spot for the King's Gambit and, since I hadn't seriously played it in a rated game since I was a junior, I decided to dust it off last night. Here's what happened:

Event: The Tal (2005) - Round 3
Site: Croydon Chess
Date: 10/3/2005
White: Stephen Frost (1191)
Black: Mike Smith (1342)
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: C37

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 d6 5.0-0 Nc6 6.Nc3 Bh6?! 7.d4 g4 8.Ne1 f3 9.gxf3 gxf3? [9...Bxc1 possibly offered Black better chances] 10.Bxf7+?! This sacrifice was unnecessary. The red mist had settled in I think, because with [10.Qxf3 White seems to be winning in all variations. For example ... 10...Qe7 11.Nd5 Qd7 12.Bxh6 and Black cannot recapture because of the Knight fork threatened on f6 ... 12...Nxd4 13.Qh5 Qg4+ 14.Qxg4 Bxg4 15.Bg7 and Nxc7 is also threatened.] 10...Kxf7 11.Qxf3+ Nf6 12.Bxh6? [12.Qh5+ Ke6 (12...Kg8 13.Qxh6 Ng4 14.Qh5 threatening Qf7# 14...Be6 15.d5) 13.d5+ Kd7 14.dxc6+ bxc6 15.Qxh6] 12...Rg8+ 13.Kh1 Nxd4 14.Qh5+?! Rg6 15.Bg5 Kg7 16.Bxf6+ Rxf6 17.Qg5+ Kf7 18.Qh5+ Drawn on White's offer. -

When I got home and started to analyze this I must admit to being pretty frustrated at not having been able to find the wins during the game.

Perhaps next time I won't be so quick to play the "thematic" sacrifice and will look more closely at moves which simply increase the pressure until something breaks down in my opponent's position.

Quick straw poll ... am I alone in my love of the King's Gambit, or are there others here that like to play it too? I've never been brave enough to play the truly scary gambits out of this opening (e.g. where White's King goes walkabout on f1 or where the Nf3 is sacrificed early).

Rincewind
11-03-2005, 06:33 PM
Quick straw poll ... am I alone in my love of the King's Gambit, or are there others here that like to play it too? I've never been brave enough to play the truly scary gambits out of this opening (e.g. where White's King goes walkabout on f1 or where the Nf3 is sacrificed early).

I've studied it a little and started playing it in Blitz games a while back but have since cooled on the idea and I don't think I have played it in a rated game.

Rincewind
16-03-2005, 12:20 AM
JGB,

I played 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 tonight as per your suggestion. Worked a treat. ;)

JGB
16-03-2005, 12:32 AM
JGB,

I played 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 tonight as per your suggestion. Worked a treat. ;)


I am so happy for you. Its a nice opening, and I find the guys playing the white side of the Classical kings gambit declined have little theoretical knowledge.

Rincewind
16-03-2005, 12:40 AM
I am so happy for you. Its a nice opening, and I find the guys playing the white side of the Classical kings gambit declined have little theoretical knowledge.

Yes, I was an exchange up by move 16 and then he blundered a piece at move 22, and resigned. There was slight contraversy regarding the touch move rule, but at best he was going to be a clean rook down with nothing to show for it.

Here is the game

Opponent - Rincewind
15-3-2005


1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nc6 5.c3 Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 Nf6 8.a4 a6
9.b4 Ba7 10.Bb2 Qe7 11.d3 exf4 12.Qxf4 Ne5 13.Nd2 Nh5 14.Qh2 Qh4+ 15.Kd1
Ng3 16.Kc2 Nxh1 17.Rxh1 O-O-O 18.Bb3 Be3 19.g3 Qe7 20.Nf1 Bh6 21.Qf2 Kb8
22.Bc1 Bxc1 0-1

Davidflude
16-03-2005, 03:56 PM
I have been playing the King's Gambit in correspondence and Email for many years. If both player's know what they are doing it leads to a really difficult game. If black is playing for the win the line to play is

1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf
3.Nf3 g5

Now

4. h4 (against Bc4 or d4 black plays Bg7 and already is beter) g4
5. Ne5 and after 150 years the is still considerable vitality in the position.

Be warned the KGA does not lead to an attack for white in many lines. White winds up with a better ending.

Spiny Norman
16-03-2005, 05:55 PM
I have been playing the King's Gambit in correspondence and Email for many years. If both player's know what they are doing it leads to a really difficult game. If black is playing for the win the line to play is

1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf
3.Nf3 g5


I sent Rincewind an article I found where Bobby Fisher claimed the King's Gambit as "busted" by playing:

1.e4 e5
2.f4 exf
3.Nf3 d6
4.Bc4 h6
5.d4 g5
6.O-O Bg7
7.c3 Ne7

and Black intends to castle king-side.

JGB
16-03-2005, 06:08 PM
I sent Rincewind an article I found where Bobby Fisher claimed the King's Gambit as "busted" by playing:

1.e4 e5
2.f4 exf
3.Nf3 d6
4.Bc4 h6
5.d4 g5
6.O-O Bg7
7.c3 Ne7

and Black intends to castle king-side.

Yeah it was 3...d6 which created the stir. It was his famous waiting move. He did get knocked off by Spassky using it though. ;)

Spiny Norman
16-03-2005, 07:29 PM
Yeah it was 3...d6 which created the stir. It was his famous waiting move. He did get knocked off by Spassky using it though. ;)

I was aware of his loss playing 3. ... g5 in their very first game (circa 1960) but not that one ... can anyone post the game score? I'd like to look at it.

Rincewind
16-03-2005, 07:54 PM
I was aware of his loss playing 3. ... g5 in their very first game (circa 1960) but not that one ... can anyone post the game score? I'd like to look at it.

According to The Games of Robert J Fischer (1972) only one person ever played the King's Gambit with the white pieces against Fischer. It was of course the famous game Spassky-Fischer, Mar del Plata, 30 March, 1960. Fischer played 3...g5 (Keiseritzky) and resigns in 29 moves.

Also searching my database I can't find a game where Fischer played 3...d6.

Of course Fischer generally employed 1...c5 against 1.e4 so in the vast majority of his game the King's Gambit was not an option White could exercise.

Spiny Norman
16-03-2005, 07:57 PM
BTW, Rincewind, congrats on the win ... the KGD would be a very effective psychological choice against a compulsive 2.f4 player methinks.

Rincewind
16-03-2005, 08:08 PM
BTW, Rincewind, congrats on the win ... the KGD would be a very effective psychological choice against a compulsive 2.f4 player methinks.

Thanks. I outrated my opponent but these compulsive attacks can be dangerous to play and killing off the counterplay where possible is usually the way to go. Still I was surprised how easy it was to win the exchange. Him forcing me to play a6 and then Ba7 meant I didn't have to waste any tempos preventing this bishop from being traded for a knight. His final move was a doosey though.

The controversy was he quickly (and deliberately in my mind) picked up king and bishop in order to play Kxc1 (the only logical continuation after playing c1 in the first place) - after which Nxd3+ wins the queen on f2. However before completing the move he saw the lethal fork and tried to argue that he need only move his king. I insisted that picking up the bishop was clearly a deliberate touch and therefore he must play Kxc1 and he resigned without making that move. He was not happy, Jan.

Spiny Norman
10-06-2005, 10:28 AM
Here's my latest effort, from last night. My opponent overlooked 9. ... f2! and let me get away with murder, but then I played two horrible blunders on moves 24 and 25 and let him get away with a draw. I can't explain move 24, other than I had some stupid idea in my head that by splitting the rooks I was going to win one of them! Appalling!!!

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 Qe7+ 5.Be2 g5 6.0-0 g4 7.Re1! {threatening Bb5+ and mayhem on e8} Kd8 8.d4?! {starting to look at bit like a Muzio Gambit now} gxf3 9.Bb5 Bd7? {f2!} 10.Rxe7 Bxe7 11.Bxd7 Nxd7 12.Qxf3 Bd6 13.Nc3 Ngf6 14.Bxf4 a6? 15.Bg5 Be7 16.Re1 Re8 17.d6?! {I wanted to clear d5 for my knight} cxd6 18.Rxe7 Rxe7 19.Bxf6 Nxf6 20.Qxf6 Kd7 21.Nd5 Re1+ 22.Kf2 Rae8 23.Qxf7+ Kc6 24.Ne3?? {Almost any other move would have been acceptable!} R8xe3 25.Qxh7?? {Oh, the pain, the pain} R1e2+ 26.Kf1 Re1+ 27.Kf2 R1e2+ {perpetual check} 1/2/ 1/2

antichrist
11-06-2005, 09:42 AM
Frosty, I have not gone through your game as reading SMH but what amazes me is in correspondence chess with no pressure you and myself have made blunders. My game wtih you, under presssure of concrete pour, was the first CC game I have ever played.

But in OTB chess I can't recall making any blunders, my losses was due to their better play and not to outright blunders. Though a lot less time to make moves?

Spiny Norman
11-06-2005, 12:03 PM
Frosty, I have not gone through your game as reading SMH but what amazes me is in correspondence chess with no pressure you and myself have made blunders. My game wtih you, under presssure of concrete pour, was the first CC game I have ever played.

But in OTB chess I can't recall making any blunders, my losses was due to their better play and not to outright blunders. Though a lot less time to make moves?

I'm pretty poor at CC but I did pick up some tips from reading Purdy's book (about his World CC conquest):

* Make sure the board is set up right. I have a recollection that he might've had 2 boards for each simultaneous game ... one for the starting position for each analysis session, the other for working through the moves

* Examine, at least cursorily, each move on the board

* Write down your analysis as you go along, don't rely on memory

The problem I have with playing CC here is that its done in spare moments, so I probably spend very little time following those tips above and actually just make arbitrary decisions on the spur of the moment.

When playing OTB its easier to get focused and get your head into the game. Developing plans, etc. Different approach altogether, produces (in me anyway) a different style of play.

I would never play 1.b4 in a tourney, but have no qualms whatsoever playing it in a CC game just for the fun of it. Then again, I would probably not play 1.e4 e5 2.f4 in a CC game (because I think the KG is very suspect) but I do enjoy playing OTB because of the time pressure element. White often gets an opportunity to attack and/or to sacrifice on f7 and that puts pressure on one's opponent. (then again, my recent results with KGA have been very poor).

Spiny Norman
11-06-2005, 12:09 PM
Here's an example of the sort of fun you can have against a weaker opponent:

White: Stephen Frost Black: Anon 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bc4 Nxe4 5.0-0 Be7 6.Nc3 Nxc3 7.dxc3 Nc6 8.Bxf4 0-0 9.Ne5 Nxe5 10.Bxe5 d6 11.Bd4 d5 12.Bd3 Qd6 13.Qh5 h6 14.Rf3 Be6 15.Raf1 Qd7 16.Bxg7 Kxg7 17.Rg3+ Bg5 18.Rxg5+ 1-0

Aaron Bellette
11-06-2005, 12:37 PM
I would never play 1.b4 in a tourney, but have no qualms whatsoever playing it in a CC game just for the fun of it. Then again, I would probably not play 1.e4 e5 2.f4 in a CC game (because I think the KG is very suspect) but I do enjoy playing OTB because of the time pressure element. White often gets an opportunity to attack and/or to sacrifice on f7 and that puts pressure on one's opponent. (then again, my recent results with KGA have been very poor).

IMHO, I think the King's gambit is an excellent CC opening, especially as part of a Bird's Opening repertoire for White, which is what I am in the process of adopting in CC. However, after David's Neo-From article in "Australian Chess" (which I thought was excellent), I am less inclined to play the KG if someone plays 1. f4 e5 - not because I think the KG is bad but because I like 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nxe5 4. d4 followed by 5. e4.

I must admit that OTB I only play the KG against the computer or in club games.

AB

Jesse Jager
13-06-2005, 10:43 PM
What is the strongest line for black against Muzio gambit? e4 e5 f4 exf4 nf3 g5 bc4 g4 0-0 :eek:

Spiny Norman
14-06-2005, 08:02 AM
What is the strongest line for black against Muzio gambit? e4 e5 f4 exf4 nf3 g5 bc4 g4 0-0 :eek:

I would reckon take the knight and "hang on" ... :)

Trent Parker
14-06-2005, 04:59 PM
Apparently playing Nc6 before playing g4 avoids some traps in the musio. Don't know if it is true though......