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adelaideuni
03-01-2004, 09:17 PM
Sorry to keep creating new topic.

From now on all updates of results etc. will be in this topic and I will just reply.

At the moment everything is up:

-round 6 draw
- all round 5 results
- all round 4 and 5 PGNs

I have a CD of photos which i will try and work on tonight and should be available for viewing tomorrow sometime.

Alex Saint
Championship Organiser

For any errors re these results or suggestions/complaints/queries, reply to this post.

Thanks for your involvement with the Championships.

Bill Gletsos
03-01-2004, 11:15 PM
Round 5 result between Zaric and Viner is missing from the web page.

Also Harp V Malik has no result set in the PGN

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2004, 11:38 PM
May be an error in the PGN of Zaric-Viner too, a rook sits en prise on b8 to Zaric's B a7 for no good reason between moves 53-58.

Garvinator
04-01-2004, 12:25 AM
May be an error in the PGN of Zaric-Viner too, a rook sits en prise on b8 to Zaric's B a7 for no good reason between moves 53-58.
also in this game, did viner just drop the queen cold?

Bill Gletsos
04-01-2004, 12:28 AM
Looks that way.

Oepty
04-01-2004, 03:51 PM
I can not help with errors in the PGN file, but I can confirm Viner did drop his queen.
Scott Colliver

adelaideuni
04-01-2004, 09:32 PM
All round 6 results for Championships and Reserves
No seniors was played today.

The round 7 draw is up as is the PGN files for round 6 (but these aren't ordered correctly-they will be tomorrow night though)

Thanks.

Any errors with hyperlinks etc. -write back here.

Garvinator
04-01-2004, 09:47 PM
umm i have noticed that the pgn game counts are different per round. sometimes there are 49 games, sometimes 35. How come?

i posted this question on the other bb too.

adelaideuni
04-01-2004, 09:55 PM
There wre no seniors games today and sometimes we don't enter all the games. The top 10 boards of Reserves are prioritised-the rest is a bonus.

Alex Saint
Championships Organiser

Garvinator
04-01-2004, 09:57 PM
There wre no seniors games today and sometimes we don't enter all the games. The top 10 boards of Reserves are prioritised-the rest is a bonus.

Alex Saint
Championships Organiser
ok thank you for doing all this, something is better than nothing as they say :D . that was not being disrespectful, actually giving praise for the time spent on doing all this.

Garvinator
05-01-2004, 02:57 PM
unless i have this wrong, the unichess site says i can see four boards via chesskit, i have only managed to find board one, are there three other boards available?

Kevin Bonham
05-01-2004, 03:01 PM
The board 1 URL is http://acclive.chesskit.com/round.php?r=7&b=0.

By changing the number after "b=" to 1,2 and 3 I managed to get boards 2, 3 and 4 respectively.

However 2 was already finished and 3 only brought up a game which started with an interesting novelty 1.Ng5.

So I am currently watching boards 1 and 4.

Garvinator
05-01-2004, 03:08 PM
atm im with board one on chesskit and zhao v rogers on icc.

Bill Gletsos
05-01-2004, 03:09 PM
The current position after blacks 23rd Rae8 move in Zhao-Rogers is



4rrnk/1p4bp/1N1p2p1/pP2p1q1/4B3/5P1b/PB2R1PP/R2Q2K1 w - - 0 23

Garvinator
05-01-2004, 03:10 PM
The board 1 URL is http://acclive.chesskit.com/round.php?r=7&b=0.
3 only brought up a game which started with an interesting novelty 1.Ng5.

Ng5 hey, i dont believe i have seen that one in the books before and fritz doesnt have it yet, care to give some more details on this novelty :P

Kevin Bonham
05-01-2004, 03:45 PM
Ng5 hey, i dont believe i have seen that one in the books before and fritz doesnt have it yet, care to give some more details on this novelty :P

Well it would help if I knew which Knight it was. I think the idea is an Accelerated Cochrane with 2.Nxf7.

adelaideuni
05-01-2004, 09:32 PM
For 40 minutes now, the round 7 results have all been placed up as has the round 8 draw.

We now also have the PGNs available for round 7 and the sorted round 6 PGNs.

Thanks,

Alex Saint
Championships Organiser

adelaideuni
06-01-2004, 09:00 PM
Round 8 Results, Round 9 Draw are now up. As is the Round 8 PGNs.

If there are any errors on our site, email us at championships@unichess.org Your input would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Gletsos
06-01-2004, 09:20 PM
Round 8 PGN's dont appear to be available.

adelaideuni
06-01-2004, 10:19 PM
Round 8 PGNs are now available (the link has been fixed).

Please email us at championships@unichess.org anytime if something isn't working. We want to get these things right.

adelaideuni
08-01-2004, 09:40 PM
Round 9 Results are up as is the Round 10 Draw.

PGNs are yet to be sent to me by email. They will be up either late (very) tonight or tomorrow morning.

Thanks

chesslover
08-01-2004, 10:10 PM
Does anyone know when the Australian rapid playoff between SOlomon and Xie will be held? I would have thought it would have been held the same day?

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2004, 09:56 PM
Here are the rating performances of all the championship players up to and including round 10.
I have included the crude performance that everyone uses and the actual true performance for all players.

name rating perf true perf score
rogers 2610 2480 2502 7.5
johansen 2489 2296 2296 5.5
lane 2380 2557 2583 8
solomon 2363 2438 2452 7
smerdon 2348 2170 2173 5.5
tao 2327 2357 2373 3.5
zhao 2327 2286 2280 5
depasquale 2321 2172 2158 4.5
bjelobrk 2300 2332 2348 6
blazkova 2259 2139 2141 4.5
chapman 2239 2414 2437 7
xie 2239 2067 2067 4.5
reilly 2239 2126 2113 4.5
levi 2202 2272 2282 5.5
canfell 2201 2283 2292 6.5
boyd 2179 2215 2211 4.5
rej 2135 2197 2201 5.5
haasse 2132 1880 1851 2.5
barber 2126 1998 1986 4
haache 2126 2119 2106 4.5
tan 2125 2244 2252 6
eriksson 2110 1941 1922 3
booth 2093 2030 2012 4
thaw 2055 1911 1886 3
charles 2037 2211 2216 5.5
yu 2019 2305 2308 5.5
jones 1997 2152 2148 4.5
jovanovic 1932 2103 2114 5
wright 1931 1997 1996 4
szuveges 1697 1799 1778 1.5

Garvinator
09-01-2004, 10:12 PM
just wondering, where are the pgns for rounds 9 and 10?

Bill Gletsos
09-01-2004, 10:14 PM
No idea.

Garvinator
09-01-2004, 10:15 PM
thanks bill for that 8)

chesslover
09-01-2004, 10:22 PM
I thought that the unichess site was updated with the round 9 pgn already? guess not

skip to my lou
09-01-2004, 10:24 PM
No idea.

They will be in late last night or early this morning. :D

adelaideuni
10-01-2004, 12:26 AM
:arrow: Round 9 PGNs are now up but Round 10 is being finished off tomorrow morning. So i hope you guys don't mind waiting a bit.

:arrow: All Round 10 Results are up (bar the Seniors as i received the wrong Swiss Perfect file by email).

:arrow: We also have the Round 11 Draw up.

:arrow: Watch for live results tomorrow on www.unichess.org in our bulletin board.

Will IM Gary Lane become the next Australian Chess Champion?

arosar
10-01-2004, 03:45 PM
Boys, I was just re-reading Rogers' Aus Chess Into the 80's last night and in it he mentions a columnist for The Australian newspaper who was called 'Fianchetto". Who was Fianchetto?

AR

Bill Gletsos
10-01-2004, 03:57 PM
Wan't that Bernie Johnson.

Vasudevan
10-01-2004, 10:56 PM
adelaideuni, why are you unsure of when round 11 games will be published?

Why is there still no announcement about the winner of the tournament?

Garvinator
10-01-2004, 10:58 PM
winner of the tournament is gary lane half a point in front of ian rogers.

but still no pgns for round 10 or 11 and only an update of the reserves, no official result.

Vasudevan
10-01-2004, 11:00 PM
I know that G.Lane has won the tournament. I'm just wondering how there is no official announcement on the official tournament website. Maybe they expect everyone to go through the results in the forum and figure it out themselves?

Kevin Bonham
11-01-2004, 12:20 AM
Anyone know if any title norms were acheived in the event?

Vasudevan
11-01-2004, 04:18 AM
Games for Round 10 should be up Saturday ~10-12 am.

It is now Sunday 5AM and still the games for round 10 are not up.

Ian_Rogers
11-01-2004, 07:47 AM
Trevor Tao scored an IM norm.

adelaideuni
11-01-2004, 10:15 AM
Round 10 and Round 11 PGNs are now up. As are the results.

We apologise for Round 10 PGN but that was an error with the FTPing at Adelaide Uni.

Vasudevan: I think you need to understand that as organisers we have many responsibilities of which the website is one. Manually putting in games is another etc.

I was unsure when the Round 11 PGNs would be published as I didn't know whether we had enough volunteers. I think that you have done pretty well getting it at 10am the following day given that the last day of an event such as this involves many other jobs such as working out prizes, packing up, etc. A little more consideration would have been appreciated.

Can anyone back me up here? :(

Bill Gletsos
11-01-2004, 10:47 AM
Yes, well done Andrew.

All some people seem to be good at is criticising. I wouldnt worry about them.

chesslover
11-01-2004, 11:25 AM
Vasudevan: I think you need to understand that as organisers we have many responsibilities of which the website is one. Manually putting in games is another etc.

I was unsure when the Round 11 PGNs would be published as I didn't know whether we had enough volunteers. I think that you have done pretty well getting it at 10am the following day given that the last day of an event such as this involves many other jobs such as working out prizes, packing up, etc. A little more consideration would have been appreciated.

Can anyone back me up here? :(

I agree with you 100%.

I think that you and the organising team have done a very good job, and should be proud of your efforts in organising this tournament.

Well done and congratulations

DO not listen to some people who just do not appreciate the hard work and effort that goes int organising the tournament, and want to attack and criticise at every opportunity. They are thankfully in a very very small minority

Well done again on your efforts. It was much appreacited

skip to my lou
11-01-2004, 11:33 AM
:D :D :D

arosar
11-01-2004, 02:16 PM
I echo Bill's sentiments. Some of these people just haven't got a bloody clue. I met all the organisers down in Adelaide and they are very competent, hospitable and friendly individuals. They were just busy OK? Besides, I understand that they, the organisers and players, went out boozing last night!

Well done indeed!!

AR

adelaideuni
11-01-2004, 08:55 PM
Thanks all for your feedback. Keep it coming!

Just for those interested..

:arrow: I am getting the Official prize list off George Howard tomorrow so it should be up tomorrow night. As usual, I'll let you guys know then.

:arrow: To get a complete set of bulletins sent to your door, this will be $30 which includes postage and handling. Contact us at championships@unichess.org

:arrow: To get a tape of the ABC and 7:30 report reviews of the Championships, email us at championships@unichess.org. For $15, we can get it sent to your door.

Any other feedback, or suggestions would be appreciated either on this BB or just email us at championships@unichess.org

The Adelaide University Chess Club and the South Australian Chess Association would also like to thank chesskit.com and auschess.org.au for their support of their event. It was also great to see many articles/analysis of games.

skip to my lou
11-01-2004, 09:34 PM
The fact that I was ready to run the WHOLE website would have meant less job for organizers and speedier info to website viewers.

Vasu knows this, though many people do not. :)

After declining my offer, and saying you are "busy"......!?

Im not saying you're not busy, though you accepted the responsibility of the website, and this is the source of information for MOST people, it would be wise to pay equal attention to the website as you do to the bulletins.

As for:


DO not listen to some people who just do not appreciate the hard work and effort that goes int organising the tournament, and want to attack and criticise at every opportunity.

Anyone can do hard work, though few can do smart work. I am guessing you did not know the situation.

Congrats and well done Organizers / Arbiters.

Cheers,
Jeo

adelaideuni
11-01-2004, 10:31 PM
Thanks Jeo.

Unfortunately, many would not know including Vasu, that your offer came far too late and a site had already been created and advertised.

We have received hundreds of compliments about the structure of our website and the speed at which information was put out including the live results.

The Organisers are very happy with the transmission of information to www.unichess.org and we thank the many people who wrote in to tell us about it.

skip to my lou
11-01-2004, 10:42 PM
A site being created already doesn't mean much. Especially when its in plain HTML format, and in frames.

Believe it or not, the austopen.chesskit.com site was created 1 day before the tournament started. The tournament website was originally planned to be chessaustralia.com.au/penrith by Lee Jones, which existed for many months before the tournament started.

Anyway, Congrats and good luck in the future.

adelaideuni
11-01-2004, 10:50 PM
:!: Just a quick reminder that you can get all the PGNs at the website www.unichess.org now.

See the games from the most prestigious chess tournament in Australia which had one of the strongest fields ever.

arosar
12-01-2004, 08:58 AM
Andrew -

Any pics from the booze up mate?

AR

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 02:21 PM
Is it just me or do Jeos last two posts come across as "I could have done it a whole lot better if you had let me". :-''

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 02:28 PM
No offence, but:

There is NO doubt that I could have done it better.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 02:36 PM
arosar, I did not post anything till shit like "DO not listen to some people who just do not appreciate the hard work and effort that goes int organising the tournament, and want to attack and criticise at every opportunity. They are thankfully in a very very small minority " came up.

Shithead, now listen. We offered to help. They didn't accept. According to me, the website and live games was very poorly done. No offence, this is my point of view.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 02:41 PM
No offence, but:

There is NO doubt that I could have done it better.
I guess Kasparov is just thankful that your chess skill does not match your arrogance or ego. :-''

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 02:44 PM
No offence, but:

There is NO doubt that I could have done it better.
I guess Kasparov is just thankful that your chess skill does not match your arrogance or ego. :-''

Unfortunately I dont have much time, and I've only been playing competition chess for 1 or 2 years, on and off.

Im not talking out of arrogance or ego but out of the fact that I have already done it. NOT I "could" have done it.

arosar
12-01-2004, 02:47 PM
Shithead, now listen. We offered to help. They didn't accept. According to me, the website and live games was very poorly done. No offence, this is my point of view.

Yeah, but [deleted] you're coming across as an insistent, arrogant maniac. You coulda just been graceful about it by shutting up. Instead - now you're looking very ugly to the rest of us. FYI - I actually liked your work on the Penrith Op. It's not the quality of your work we're having a go at. It's your da.mn pig-headed attitude.

AR

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 02:49 PM
Shithead, now listen. We offered to help. They didn't accept. According to me, the website and live games was very poorly done. No offence, this is my point of view.

Yeah, but [deleted] you're coming across as an insistent, arrogant maniac. You coulda just been graceful about it by shutting up. Instead - now you're looking very ugly to the rest of us. FYI - I actually liked your work on the Penrith Op. It's not the quality of your work we're having a go at. It's your da.mn pig-headed attitude.

AR

So let me get this straight. Vasu should not have criticize the website, by saying "where are the games or announcement". You are allowed to criticize him, saying he is not thankful.

So basically Vasu can not criticize anything? UM?! What ever happened to free speech...!?!!

Im not saying the website was bad. Im saying how the viewers were informed very late with results, games or whatever.

And btw, I DID shut up about it till Vasu was critizised for "not being thankful".

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 02:58 PM
arosar, I did not post anything till shit like "DO not listen to some people who just do not appreciate the hard work and effort that goes int organising the tournament, and want to attack and criticise at every opportunity. They are thankfully in a very very small minority " came up.
The point is that what CL said was true. It wasn't shit as you call it just a statement of fact. If you actually had some life experience rather than just being an 18 year old know it all, you might have some credability. =;


Shithead, now listen. We offered to help. They didn't accept. According to me, the website and live games was very poorly done. No offence, this is my point of view.
You need to be careful when you sling crap because it just might come back and hit you. :rolleyes:
The live games were advertised as being available on chesskit.
Everytime there was a problem you blamed the Adelaide end. You seemed to accept no responsability at all. ](*,)
I remember when there was a problem with receiving the round 3 games(I think it was this round) you said you had no way of contacting them.
This just highlights poor management on your part. They certainly were not incommunicado because I was able to contact them.
To even a genius like you it surely should have been obvious that if you were showing the games then you would make sure you had a means of contacting Adelaide. :-k

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 03:06 PM
arosar, I did not post anything till shit like "DO not listen to some people who just do not appreciate the hard work and effort that goes int organising the tournament, and want to attack and criticise at every opportunity. They are thankfully in a very very small minority " came up.
The point is that what CL said was true. It wasn't shit as you call it just a statement of fact. If you actually had some life experience rather than just being an 18 year old know it all, you might have some credability. =;


Shithead, now listen. We offered to help. They didn't accept. According to me, the website and live games was very poorly done. No offence, this is my point of view.
You need to be careful when you sling crap because it just might come back and hit you. :rolleyes:
The live games were advertised as being available on chesskit.
Everytime there was a problem you blamed the Adelaide end. You seemed to accept no responsability at all. ](*,)
I remember when there was a problem with receiving the round 3 games(I think it was this round) you said you had no way of contacting them.
This just highlights poor management on your part. They certainly were not incommunicado because I was able to contact them.
To even a genius like you it surely should have been obvious that if you were showing the games then you would make sure you had a means of contacting Adelaide. :-k

I had no requirement to. The games on my site were automated. I wasn't there so I cant help them set up the boards. What they transmit is what I display. As I said... the website and live games were done poorly, that includes live games by chesskit. In the future, im not going to take on "part" of any website. I will either do the whole website or nothing.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 03:11 PM
So let me get this straight. Vasu should not have criticize the website, by saying "where are the games or announcement". You are allowed to criticize him, saying he is not thankful.
If the person putting together the PGN has not completed them that is hardly the fault of the webmaster.


So basically Vasu can not criticize anything? UM?! What ever happened to free speech...!?!!
He is allowed free speech, but he came across as just whinging.


Im not saying the website was bad. Im saying how the viewers were informed very late with results, games or whatever.
Crap.
The championship web site pointed to their bulletin board. It had regular updates on the Championship game results as most of the games finished.
Those games that were having trouble being transmitted to the internet were actually the moves reported and updated on that bulletin board.
The results and next day draw was posted most nights by 8.30-9.30pm Adelaide time.
Yes, there was some delay in posting the actual PGN files but this is not an insignificant task. The PGN's were genrally up the evening the round finished. Those that weren't were generally available within 24 hours.


And btw, I DID shut up about it till Vasu was critizised for "not being thankful".
Yes he came across as whinging and your responses just come across as arrogant.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 03:16 PM
arosar, I did not post anything till shit like "DO not listen to some people who just do not appreciate the hard work and effort that goes int organising the tournament, and want to attack and criticise at every opportunity. They are thankfully in a very very small minority " came up.
The point is that what CL said was true. It wasn't shit as you call it just a statement of fact. If you actually had some life experience rather than just being an 18 year old know it all, you might have some credability. =;


Shithead, now listen. We offered to help. They didn't accept. According to me, the website and live games was very poorly done. No offence, this is my point of view.
You need to be careful when you sling crap because it just might come back and hit you. :rolleyes:
The live games were advertised as being available on chesskit.
Everytime there was a problem you blamed the Adelaide end. You seemed to accept no responsability at all. ](*,)
I remember when there was a problem with receiving the round 3 games(I think it was this round) you said you had no way of contacting them.
This just highlights poor management on your part. They certainly were not incommunicado because I was able to contact them.
To even a genius like you it surely should have been obvious that if you were showing the games then you would make sure you had a means of contacting Adelaide. :-k

I had no requirement to. The games on my site were automated. I wasn't there so I cant help them set up the boards. What they transmit is what I display. As I said... the website and live games were done poorly, that includes live games by chesskit. In the future, im not going to take on "part" of any website. I will either do the whole website or nothing.
A typical response from someone who does not appear to understand the concept of responsability.
If nothing else you had a responsability to those following the games on your web sit to provide more of an answer than just "the problem is with Adelaide".

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 03:16 PM
So let me get this straight. Vasu should not have criticize the website, by saying "where are the games or announcement". You are allowed to criticize him, saying he is not thankful.
If the person putting together the PGN has not completed them that is hardly the fault of the webmaster.


So basically Vasu can not criticize anything? UM?! What ever happened to free speech...!?!!
He is allowed free speech, but he came across as just whinging.


Im not saying the website was bad. Im saying how the viewers were informed very late with results, games or whatever.
Crap.
The championship web site pointed to their bulletin board. It had regular updates on the Championship game results as most of the games finished.
Those games that were having trouble being transmitted to the internet were actually the moves reported and updated on that bulletin board.
The results and next day draw was posted most nights by 8.30-9.30pm Adelaide time.
Yes, there was some delay in posting the actual PGN files but this is not an insignificant task. The PGN's were genrally up the evening the round finished. Those that weren't were generally available within 24 hours.


And btw, I DID shut up about it till Vasu was critizised for "not being thankful".
Yes he came across as whinging and your responses just come across as arrogant.

He wasn't whinging. He was asking why they weren't up. And why not post it on the website instead of the bulletin board?

There was an announcement and roughly 12 hours after it was "supposed" to be up, it still wasn't up.

Im not going to debate this topic further. Both chesskit and adelaide uni approach to the website was very unprofessional. My mistake to take on part of the website will never be repeated.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 03:22 PM
Im not going to debate this topic further.
Probably a wise decision before you dig yourself into a hole. :-''


Both chesskit and adelaide uni approach to the website was very unprofessional.
So you finally admit that chesskit's approach was unprofessional. =D>

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 03:24 PM
Im not going to debate this topic further.
Probably a wise decision before you dig yourself into a hole. :-''


Both chesskit and adelaide uni approach to the website was very unprofessional.
So you finally admit that chesskit's approach was unprofessional. =D>

Finally? I always said both website and live games were done poorly.

Be back in a few days.

arosar
12-01-2004, 03:36 PM
. . . adelaide uni approach to the website was very unprofessional.

My fellow BBer's - please do not let this b.itchy remark mislead you. I met the Saint brothers and R Wedding as well as Scott Colliver. I also observed IA R. Eime at work. I observed and experienced first-hand the tourn - albeit I was only there for 3 days (did play in rapid). I can tell you this was a top notch tourn and was VERY VERY professional. They were very hospitable. The moment I walked in there Scott showed me around as if I was a visiting foreign dignitary!

The problem with this Jeo and his ilk is that they do know a trick or two and now they reckon they can pi.ss everybody in the chess community at will. The bas.tards.

AR

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 03:41 PM
. . . adelaide uni approach to the website was very unprofessional.

My fellow BBer's - please do not let this b.itchy remark mislead you. I met the Saint brothers and R Wedding as well as Scott Colliver. I also observed IA R. Eime at work. I observed and experienced first-hand the tourn - albeit I was only there for 3 days (did play in rapid). I can tell you this was a top notch tourn and was VERY VERY professional. They were very hospitable. The moment I walked in there Scott showed me around as if I was a visiting foreign dignitary!

The problem with this Jeo and his ilk is that they do know a trick or two and now they reckon they can pi.ss everybody in the chess community at will. The bas.tards.

AR

I have to go really soon. If you read carefully, Im am talking about the website, not the tournament. I wasn't there, so I do not know how the tournament was run, though I do have the internet, and I can see the progress made on website.

And that trick or two, I think you are referring to 4 or 5 years of experience of making websites and programs.

Ok, bye.

adelaideuni
12-01-2004, 05:51 PM
:!: Firstly, a full professional list of prizewinners is up on our site.

To fellow Bulletin board users (esp Bill Gletsos and Arosar),I would like to thank you for your support and the great support I have received through emails.

I am prepared to accept criticism but only when i think it is valid.

Apart from Jeo's request being too late, a decision was made by the whole Championships committee (about 6 people or so) that it would be better to run the website ourselves to avoid this kind of backstabbing. We did not want to be influenced by outside people. I was originally going to be solely doing the website but due to a lack of helpers, this situation changed on the 1st day of the Championships!

Jeo could never have got the PGNs up much quicker because we needed people in Adelaide manually doing the games to get it done. I agree it would have been better if the draw/results was up a bit earlier but I don't think that compromised the websites professionalism. To say our website was unprofessional when we publicised live results and I even manually wrote in games on top boards that weren't working, is just ludicrous.

People knew about what time it would come up and to made sure this occurred, we notified you on this bulletin board. Most people I know looked at everything the morning before the next round.

Is it just me or are there a lot better and more important things to discuss or argue about?

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 05:58 PM
As I said, my mistake to take on part of the website. I will never do it again.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 06:13 PM
:!: Firstly, a full professional list of prizewinners is up on our site.

To fellow Bulletin board users (esp Bill Gletsos and Arosar),I would like to thank you for your support and the great support I have received through emails.

I am prepared to accept criticism but only when i think it is valid.

Apart from Jeo's request being too late, a decision was made by the whole Championships committee (about 6 people or so) that it would be better to run the website ourselves to avoid this kind of backstabbing. We did not want to be influenced by outside people. I was originally going to be solely doing the website but due to a lack of helpers, this situation changed on the 1st day of the Championships!

Jeo could never have got the PGNs up much quicker because we needed people in Adelaide manually doing the games to get it done. I agree it would have been better if the draw/results was up a bit earlier but I don't think that compromised the websites professionalism. To say our website was unprofessional when we publicised live results and I even manually wrote in games on top boards that weren't working, is just ludicrous.

People knew about what time it would come up and to made sure this occurred, we notified you on this bulletin board. Most people I know looked at everything the morning before the next round.

Is it just me or are there a lot better and more important things to discuss or argue about?
Your point regarding the PGN's is very valid as is the point regarding your manually enetring the games.

Again well done Andrew, your efforts were appreciated.
Also again don't let the criticism of others get to you or your colleagues.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 06:14 PM
As I said, my mistake to take on part of the website. I will never do it again.
Yeah we got that the last time you said it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I thought you were going. :-''

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 06:19 PM
I was gone for hours.

You should use that second emoticon more often. It suits you very much.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 06:33 PM
I was gone for hours.

You should use that second emoticon more often. It suits you very much.
Yes, everytime I read one of your posts, I wish there was a moron or dumbass emoticon.
Unfortuantely in life you cannot always get what you want, so I'll just have to settle for :-'' or :-({|=

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 06:38 PM
Hahaha, read between the lines, fool.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 07:17 PM
I dont "wannabe" anyone but myself. Dont pretend that you know me.


The BBers know who the fool is.

They do, dont they ;)

As I said before, read between the lines.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 07:19 PM
Hahaha, read between the lines, fool.Is that the best you can come up with. It is neither funny nor original.

BTW, elapsed time isnt one of your strong points.


Be back in a few days.

Anyway, I thought you were going. :-''

I was gone for hours.

I dont have to get permission to check the forum. And you are no one to say what my strong or weak points are.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 07:19 PM
Hahaha, read between the lines, fool.

You're a goddam.n wannabe calling a man with 30 years experience in chess admin a fool.

The BBers know who the fool is.

AR
AR, I don't pay much attention to dipsticks like him.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 07:23 PM
I dont have to get permission to check the forum. And you are no one to say what my strong or weak points are.
Once again you miss the point junior.

All I have to do is highlight your inconsistencies.

The other posters will then realise what your weak and weaker points are.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 07:31 PM
Whatever. Theres no point talking to people like you.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 07:33 PM
Bill, you are the ratings officer for ACF Right?

Since you will have access to personal information such as DOB and other information, is every ACF members personal information PRIVATE? As in, only for your eyes and no one else? Or you are allowed to distribute peoples information to anyone that asks?

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 08:05 PM
Firstly members are not members of the ACF they are members of their State Association.

The DOB information is generally provided by the tournament organiser to the State Ratings Officer.
There is as far as I am aware no privacy agreement in place between the player and the organiser or the organiser and their State Association.

The information is generally available to tournament DOP's so that can correctly identify players.

There are 4 or 5 QLD juniors all with the same name. Some have the same year of birth, some attend the same school.

If there are 5 John Smiths then their DOB is often the only way to identify them.

But you are a supposedly bright lad (or so you keep telling us).
How do you think tournament DOP's know the players DOB.
New DOB's are added every rating period.
Do you think I have a list of every possibble person who may act as a DOP. If so then you are wrong.
Just think about it a second, grasshopper and you should become enlightened.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 08:07 PM
Ok, so what information do you have on ACF members and what information are you allowed to tell others?

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 08:13 PM
Ok, so what information do you have on ACF members and what information are you allowed to tell others?
See my previous post.
I have no information on ACF members because only State Associations are ACF members not the players.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 08:22 PM
Oh ok, so you have information on players?

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 08:32 PM
Only their name, sex, state, maybe DOB and maybe club/school/country.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 08:39 PM
And there is no privacy act guarding these players information?

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 08:50 PM
I believe I answered that already.

Of course what has any of this to do with this thread.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 09:02 PM
Nothing, though why are you asking that? I thought you didn't have a problem about a thread going off topic, if it was chess related.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 10:17 PM
Nothing, though why are you asking that? I thought you didn't have a problem about a thread going off topic, if it was chess related.
Because although chess related topics can drift somewhat, they still generally tend to be reasonably related in some way to the topic.
Your question has no relationship to the topic.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 10:32 PM
If its related to the topic, then its not off topic.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 10:52 PM
Since you are so clever would you care to explain how your question re privacy is in anyway related to the topic regarding the results in the recent Australian championship.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 10:59 PM
As already said before:


Nothing


you are so clever

Thank you.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 11:05 PM
Ah the quote out of context.

Nice try but to anyone reading the thread you just come across as a fool.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 11:23 PM
:D I dont care what you think of me, I dont think anyone cares what you think of them.

Are you going to Open 04/05?

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 11:36 PM
Repeat: Are you going to Open 04/05?
You can ask this all you like.
When you start acting like an adult instead of a 5 year old you might get an answer.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 11:47 PM
So how many red bulls you had tonight.

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 11:48 PM
So how many red bulls you had tonight.

None.

Bill Gletsos
12-01-2004, 11:49 PM
Having something stronger are we?

skip to my lou
12-01-2004, 11:53 PM
I find it amusing that this is all you can come up with.

Anyway, Good night, and hope you come to 04/05.

Bill Gletsos
13-01-2004, 12:01 AM
I will say this, as I noted in another thread you are good for my post count. :D

skip to my lou
13-01-2004, 05:50 AM
I will say this, as I noted in another thread you are good for my post count. :D

I might take out post count, and put in post quality, in which case, you would recieve a zero, no wait, maybe we can go negative, say -1700.

arosar
13-01-2004, 09:54 AM
I hope to see you using this line on Matthew in the future. \:D/

I have, on the BB - a long time ago. Though not exactly in the same words.

AR

Bill Gletsos
13-01-2004, 12:06 PM
I will say this, as I noted in another thread you are good for my post count. :D

I might take out post count, and put in post quality, in which case, you would recieve a zero, no wait, maybe we can go negative, say -1700.
I would have thought that decision would rest with the admins Paul B and Kevin and not you.

Or are you still going to enforce your will on the posters here.

BtW the other day you were picking faults with my spelling. If thats the case you should make sure you dont make spelling errors yourself. Receive is spelt with a cei not cie, genius.

P.S. I notice you changed the ranks and apparently removed the custom rank.

george
13-01-2004, 03:05 PM
Hi Jeo,

I find Bill easy to work with and he has the absolute confidence of the ACF Council especially as he has over 30 years of chess experience.

I therefore ask you to cool this exchange down between yourself and Bill - it is not doing anyone any good and it may indeed harm a growing business relationship between yourself and the ACF.

No-one is threatening you but again I ASK you to cool it step back and chill a while. Please take this advice from me in the nicest and most respectfull of ways BUT take it please!!

George Howard
ACF President

paulb
13-01-2004, 03:28 PM
I've removed a large number of posts frm this thread.
The main reason is that they make apparent reference to an alleged email or emails from third parties.
Generally speaking, email communications are private. If both parties agree to diclose a communication, then disclosure is OK, but not otherwise. In my view it is inappropriate to disclose the content of a private email, even when not disclosing the sender.
Secondly, it's an obviously counter-productive discussion.
Thirdly, it does have the potential to damage reputations.

Dicussion closed.

skip to my lou
13-01-2004, 09:31 PM
Ok sorry George and Paul, will not happen again.