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doc
30-01-2005, 03:48 PM
Please tell me why www.mtbullerchess.com was so bad. I heard that the webmaster was getting paid for this. That's a joke. From day 1, the information has taken a long time to get up, it was only available in some huge long word document that took ages to come up and not in HTML format.

And during the event, the standings/crosstables weren't available. WHo is responsible fot this? THe information is very poorly set out, no photos. IT is a complete shambles. THere is nothing clear about it. On the first page you see when you load hte webpage, there is an article about eh Australian Open, what about the Australian Junior? Why wasn't there 2 links-1 to the Australian Open and 1 to the Australian Junior? WOuldn't that be clearer.

IT WAS A COMPLETE JOKE. KARTHIC YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED>

You cant just blame the organisers for this miserable effort, the whole website is a complete mess. There is no order or logic to it at all. It is all over the place. WHO AGREES?

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 04:05 PM
HAHAHAHA That is just funny ^^; :lol: I vote this post as best post of 2005. WHO AGREES?

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 04:11 PM
LOL, even funnier now that I know who you are.

Moderators, "Find IP Addresses for user" -> doc, "Depth" -> 2 and hit search. The results are extremely funny, especially if you remember the short debate about the website last year.

Should I post the results here or does someone want to take a guess who doc is first?

eclectic
30-01-2005, 04:20 PM
LOL, even funnier now that I know who you are.

Moderators, "Find IP Addresses for user" -> doc, "Depth" -> 2 and hit search. The results are extremely funny, especially if you remember the short debate about the website last year.

Should I post the results here or does someone want to take a guess who doc is first?


does he wear "corduroys"?

;)

Mark

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 04:31 PM
No.idea. @__@

ursogr8
30-01-2005, 04:56 PM
doc

The previous poster to ask a question about the logic of the site itself was banned.

Quick; make a copy of your 26 posts if any of them you want to preserve.

Bill Gletsos
30-01-2005, 05:01 PM
doc

The previous poster to ask a question about the logic of the site itself was banned.
Who was that?

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 05:01 PM
The previous poster to ask a question about the logic of the site itself was banned.

Who was that?

Don_Harrison
30-01-2005, 05:36 PM
I'm not pointing the finger at anyone - mainly because others have done that very effectively including some organisers (doubtful whether that is an appropriate word in a number of cases) who have in advertently fingered themselves simply by posting. However, Ian Rout's words on the thread "Mt Buller web site wishlist" were prophetic.

"1. Prompt updates. Nothing kills the drama more than having to wait until the next morning or late into the day to get the results. Of course this is partly a function of the prioritisation by the organisers but the web design can help a lot by having a simple mechanism whereby any available pair of hands attached to a functioning brain with minimal training can enter results. I won't advocate any particular method as I'm sure you can think of a million ways to achieve it.

2. Games backup. The direct on-line transmission of games always fails so a simple mechanism by which a couple of games can quickly be manually posted is probably a good idea - just a designated page where new games would appear in text would do. Some people seem to expect all games to be available within seconds of a round finishing which is not feasible but on the other hand no games at all would be pretty poor, just a couple to amuse the slavering masses shouldn't be a huge effort.

3. Easy navigation. Important stuff to be obviously accessible from the front page, not having to go through half a dozen pull-down menus to get one table then do the same again for another etc."

And on the same thread STML advised that the games could have been uploaded to the site with the greatest of ease, ie the '03 arrangements. However, that obviously required that the paid "professional" responsible for this matter at the event:

(a) undertook the necessary risk management analysis, buzz phrase for "thinking it through", and prepared contingency plans just in case there was equipment failure;
(b) had the necessary skills to upload the data; or, if not
(b) required and was provided with the necessary training; or, if too complicated
(c) sent the sp files to the web-master in a timely fashion, ie not 4am, and in a logically named structure;
(d) actually structured their working day properly, as was apparently done in Adelaide, with the focus being on the provision of accurate and timely information.

So if I have read a number of posts accurately, STML could only place on the web-site what was provided from the Mt Buller end and only if that was provided in a logically structured manner if provided at all.

It appears it wasn't hence Ian's words came true.

arosar
30-01-2005, 05:53 PM
. . . including some organisers (doubtful whether that is an appropriate word in a number of cases) who have in advertently fingered themselves simply by posting.

That sorta gives a new meaning to "wan.ke.r", doesn't it?

AR

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 06:05 PM
The internet connection issue is being fixed. I'll be adding extra connections to make it fully redundant.

As I've stated before, the website engine is about 70% automated. The engine itself is not quite user friendly at the moment, which means I am probably the only one that can use it properly. It will be around 95% automated around March. Since it's 70% automated, I don't do much work after the tournament starts, in fact, the work I would do after the tournament starts can be calculated in seconds per day. If I have the information, it doesn't take long at all to publish it (as witnessed in 03).

The engine itself is getting better and better. It was using flat file text DB, then we used SPDE, both requires generation of files and then upload. It will soon be made so that you upload the SP files and the website displays all the relevant data. Theres also that photo album module I sat there coding because I thought I was going to get photos, not the mention the player profile module, or even chesslib (which is now one monster of a db search engine). Luckily it didn't go to waste; because it can be re-used, quite easily.

However, this system is completely useless if theres no input, as is any system. The processing capability is there and that at very high speed, where was the input?

Now I was not at all suprised by the Identity of the thread starter; it is so blatantly obvious, for me anyway.

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Username: doc
Search Depth: 2
Positive Matches: adelandre, AES
I.e Alex Saint or Andrew Saint

I cannot be 100% sure which of the two doc is, but I am 99% sure.

ursogr8
30-01-2005, 06:52 PM
Who was that?

Who was that?

Gee guys, are so many banned around here you lose track or sumfink?
Do you forget what you do and why?
Were they no clues at all to which banning I referred to?

Let me refresh you.
A poster asks a question about the web-site just populated with some new information. The poster presses a button on the web-site and the info. does not match what K. has just posted in detail on this board re entries to Mt B.
The poster asks for help to resolve the anomaly.

Oh no you don't says K.!!!
You guys are using a shared PC...and that is just not allowable. No hot-desk (touch-down desks) allowed here. Oh no. Just monogamous PCs allowed. If more than one set of hands touches the key-board who knows what will happen.

K. looks around for his ON-OFF switch (it is the well-worn one just under his knuckle).

Out damned spot out. Only hours after the original post; such efficiency.

Oh. And the crime you ask? See below.




Seven entries can be viewed at confirmed entries (http://www.mtbullerchess.com/open/generalInformation.php).





starter

ps
K.
Can you leave the SAINTers active until tomorrow and the Punters Club will run a book on when you pull the pin.

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 07:03 PM
Gee guys, are so many banned around here you lose track or sumfink?
Do you forget what you do and why?
Were they no clues at all to which banning I referred to?

Let me refresh you.
A poster asks a question about the web-site just populated with some new information. The poster presses a button on the web-site and the info. does not match what K. has just posted in detail on this board re entries to Mt B.
The poster asks for help to resolve the anomaly.

Oh no you don't says K.!!!
You guys are using a shared PC...and that is just not allowable. No hot-desk (touch-down desks) allowed here. Oh no. Just monogamous PCs allowed. If more than one set of hands touches the key-board who knows what will happen.

K. looks around for his ON-OFF switch (it is the well-worn one just under his knuckle).

Out damned spot out.

Oh. And the crime you ask? See below.

starter

ps
K.
Can you leave the SAINTers active until tomorrow and the Punters Club will run a book on when you pull the pin.

Why misrepresent the facts? The reason your other two accounts were banned is because you failed to give me a reasonable answer. I asked you: "Do you own Commentator and Thunk" and you just dodged the question.

If you suggest Commentator got banned because he (you?) questioned the website, then read above. There was no input, so there can not be any processing, nor output.

Multiple people are allowed to use the same PC and Internet Connection, all you have to do is respond to my query and say "Yes, my friends x and y are using it too"

You are a fool for deliberately mis-representing facts. The saint brothers will not be banned. Doc will be banned, after he is given sufficient time to respond, as you had been given.

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 07:07 PM
> Gee guys, are so many banned around here you lose track or sumfink?

Gee starter, are so many fools around here you lose track or sumfink? Not many fools, just a few fools with many accounts.

Bill Gletsos
30-01-2005, 07:12 PM
Why misrepresent the facts?
Good question.

ursogr8
30-01-2005, 07:18 PM
^
You own the bb K.
You own the ON-OFF switch which you use to trash such functionality as the Shoutbox post-count.
But what you don't own is the trust of those whose commercial e-mail accounts are published by you in a fit of annoyance.

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 07:22 PM
^
You own the bb K.
You own the ON-OFF switch which you use to trash such functionality as the Shoutbox post-count.
But what you don't own is the trust of those whose commercial e-mail accounts are published by you in a fit of annoyance.

The shoutbox count and so much other functionality went when I went into "DEVELOPMENT MODE". It has returned.

So you agree that you annoyed me? You knew you were annoying me? Why do you continue to annoy me by continually mis-representing facts? I thought you were a decent guy at first, but it seems you are nothing more than a fool.

ursogr8
30-01-2005, 07:33 PM
K.
You know what might help you? Flick a switch (just for your account) on that 'Quick reply to this message box', so that it is inactive for you.
Then you might be forced to slow down and read accurately; and hence get into less of a lather.
Now....the annoyance that caused you to expose commercial e-mail addresses was your reaction to the question Commentator asked (not me) on the use of a button on your web-site.
You exposed those because you were annoyed at Commentator's innocent questioning of your site's logic.

starter

skip to my lou
30-01-2005, 07:37 PM
K.
You know what might help you? Flick a switch (just for your account) on that 'Quick reply to this message box', so that it is inactive for you.
Then you might be forced to slow down and read accurately; and hence get into less of a lather.
Now....the annoyance that caused you to expose commercial e-mail addresses was your reaction to the question Commentator asked (not me) on the use of a button on your web-site.
You exposed those because you were annoyed at Commentator's innocent questioning of your site's logic.

starter

You're again mis-representing facts. I already stated why that is not the reason commentator is banned.

Take a break fool, go and annoy someone else.

Don_Harrison
30-01-2005, 07:47 PM
Know what the best things are about this BB?


No-one strays from the thread topic and hence no need for the thread to be split.

Each poster has a high level of respect for diversity of opinion; do not abuse each other; are tolerant of each other and simply get on famously.

And if you believe that then you believe in the tooth fairy. :lol: :lol: :laugh:

Garvinator
30-01-2005, 08:00 PM
I just want to check, Karths are you saying the Andrew and or Alex Saint have been using a duplicate account with the handle doc?

Bill Gletsos
30-01-2005, 08:04 PM
I just want to check, Karths are you saying the Andrew and or Alex Saint have been using a duplicate account with the handle doc?
I took it STML was saying doc's ip addresses match Andrew and Alex's.

Garvinator
30-01-2005, 08:06 PM
I took it STML was saying doc's ip addresses match Andrew and Alex's.
just confirming in not so many words that what i was reading was the correct interpretation. :doh: Can we start an identity hunt now :cool:

adelandre
30-01-2005, 08:20 PM
I know nothing of doc
Everything I post on here i do with complete honesty signing my name at the end. I do not shy away from accountability for my comments. Ever so occasionaly I have used the AES ( my brother's account) when I have forgotten my password, and in each and every case I sign my name to make it clear at th end of the message.

I do not hide behind anonymity, and if this is Alex I want to make it clear I do not support the nature or means of posting these comments. I do not monitor alex when he comes on here as i'm often at work so cannot deny or confirm these claims.

Andrew Saint

Garvinator
30-01-2005, 08:27 PM
Hello Andrew,

My advice would be when allegations of duplicate accounts are suggested is that you pm/email Karthick and speak to him about this matter. I notice that you and doc are on at the same time ;)

adelandre
30-01-2005, 08:28 PM
I have already done this but thought it was necessary to clear my name in the public forum since it I was blamed here.

Garvinator
30-01-2005, 08:29 PM
ahh i get it now, the website was so bad cause someone might have been using a duplicate account :lol: :lol: :lol: :whistle:

Don_Harrison
30-01-2005, 08:37 PM
........ I was blambed here.

A spull chucker is required. Really badly too.

adelandre
30-01-2005, 08:40 PM
A spull chucker is required. Really badly too.

I'm allowed some poetic license with spelling, aren't I? :)

AES
30-01-2005, 08:59 PM
Ah well done K Man. Good detective work but not close enough.

Doc isn't actually me, AES, or adelandre, my brother. It is a friend called Nick who is studying medicine (hence Doc i suppose). He has posted sometimes from my place as we like to discuss chess matters. He was part of the organising committee for Mt Buller actually.

I would never be brave enough to do something like that.

Cheers,

Alex.

Duff McKagan
31-01-2005, 12:33 AM
Well Nick has a point... while some people like you Alex worked your ass off, others were piss weak and should not be hired again if all they can do is blame George. Even if George was under pressure and not as supportive, it is no excuse for not doing their own job properly.

skip to my lou
31-01-2005, 04:34 AM
Too bad that nick couldn't post when you were at Mt Buller.

AES
31-01-2005, 12:17 PM
He did actually post while up at Mt Buller. I was there when he did it. he started a thread called buller sensational.

skip to my lou
31-01-2005, 04:30 PM
I'm not concerned whether doc is you or not, I really don't care. Either way his views are biased. If he is really an organiser as you stated, then maybe people should start calling doc (Nick) a backstabber, just like they called Garvin one. It should be noted that I never "blamed" any organiser. I just know that I did not get information that I was supposed to get, even after requesting it several times.

Im outta here. All of this is a waste of time for me.