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klyall
22-01-2005, 10:09 PM
Anyone interested in chatting about the Open or Juniors at Mt Buller now that the tournaments are over?

Mischa
22-01-2005, 10:13 PM
Sure, I for one really enjoyed the location...as for the organisation...enough has been said. I just would like to add that it was a pity for the young kids that no 3rd place trophy was given, in Perth the received one and I think they were looking for one this time.

AND WHERE WERE THE T-SHIRTS? one of the first htings my kids looked for was the t-shirts...you know...Australian Junior Chess Championships, Mt. Buller 2005?

jenni
23-01-2005, 10:32 AM
I've already put my point of view under the Aus juniors thread, but will repeat it here.

On the whole I would give a thumbs up for the event. Many parents commented to me that they had enjoyed the relaxed safe venue. Kids were able to wander around with minimum supervision and visit each other.

The La Trobe sports hall worked well. You could sign up for $20 for the whole of the juniors and kids could participate in a morning session or afternoon session (or both!). Little bit of a problem for the older juniors - they were preparing in the morning and playing in the afternoon, so participation opportunities were limited. There really needed to be a session which went to 9 pm, but that is difficult, becasue the centre closed at 7 (in fact it normally closes at 5 in the summer so it was good it could go as late as it did). Gareth was only able to go twice, but he really enjoyed it

From what I heard Mt Buller seemed to work fine for parents and younger juniors, but the teenagers were a bit bored. Maybe it might be possible to set up a teenage "hang out" area, in the evenings?

Most of the problems that occurred were a lack of understanding of the junior environment.

e.g. Lightning and Rapid were run with rating group prizes, instead of age titles.

prize money was large, but trophies weren't valued. e.g. initially there were 11 trophies bought - 10 for the main comp and 1 for the Lightning. After a large amount of lobbying/fighting (I ended up both physically and emotionally exhausted by the end of it, because I actually don't like confrontation), I managed to get the main comp with 21 trophies and 1 nice trophy for the Lightning and a further 19 extremely dodgy trophies for the Lightning and Rapid. I know they were dodgy, because I bought them and had to pull out all my favours to get them, just before the trophy shops closed for Christmas). I was given a budget of $120 for 19 trophies and the condition that I would not be refunded if numbers were less than 20 for each of Lightning and Rapid - I knew I was safe. :) I was very embarrased at prize-giving when I heard all the kids complaining about the Lightning and Rapid trophies, but there is only so much you can do when you have $6 to spend on a trophy and that included all the engraving.

Bulletins were a low priority and no organisation for the keying in of games. If computers had been set up in the analysis room, parents and juniors would have helped type in games and all games could have been typed in.

Website didn't work very well, for whatever reason.

The playing hall worked well. There was an observation platform, where the top 8 games could be seen as well as a viewing screen for the live broadcast.
There was free tea and coffee for the parents. There was an extremely large anaysis room downstairs and the kids could socialise in there as well after their games.

I would be happy to go back in 2 years, if I could be reassured that the problems would be fixed and there was someone rational in charge who would listen and try to co-operate.

Paul S
23-01-2005, 03:47 PM
prize money was large, but trophies weren't valued. e.g. initially there were 11 trophies bought - 10 for the main comp and 1 for the Lightning. After a large amount of lobbying/fighting (I ended up both physically and emotionally exhausted by the end of it, because I actually don't like confrontation), I managed to get the main comp with 21 trophies and 1 nice trophy for the Lightning and a further 19 extremely dodgy trophies for the Lightning and Rapid. I know they were dodgy, because I bought them and had to pull out all my favours to get them, just before the trophy shops closed for Christmas). I was given a budget of $120 for 19 trophies and the condition that I would not be refunded if numbers were less than 20 for each of Lightning and Rapid - I knew I was safe. :) I was very embarrased at prize-giving when I heard all the kids complaining about the Lightning and Rapid trophies, but there is only so much you can do when you have $6 to spend on a trophy and that included all the engraving.


That is just disgraceful, and yet another indictment on the organistional/promotional ability (or lack of these attributes) on the Mt Buller organisers (although it appears that the actual chess events themselves went well - which is to be expected with someone like Chales Zworestine as the chief arbiter).

I have been under the impression that there was about "$100,000 cash and in kind sponsorship" for the Mt Buller events. To me the above seems a case of "penny wise and pound foolish" by the Mt Buller organisers. So, when is the Australian chess public going to see some sort of breakdown of this "$100,000 cash and in kind sponsorship" for the Mt Buller events?

Good on you for doing this, Jenni. :clap:

I tell you, if I was Jenni or Libby, I would long ago have walked away from this mess and just left it up to the Mt Buller organisers to deal with complaints from parents/juniors etc as regards trophies (eg no trophy for rapid and only one for lightning) and other issues regarding this event.

The impression I get is that overall the organisers were reactive, rather than pro-active when it came to organisational issues with the Mt Buller events.

Paul S
23-01-2005, 03:58 PM
AND WHERE WERE THE T-SHIRTS? one of the first htings my kids looked for was the t-shirts...you know...Australian Junior Chess Championships, Mt. Buller 2005?

Yeah, makes one wonder where all the supposed "$100,000 cash and in kind sponsorship" for Mt Buller all went, doesn't it?

From what I can see, there didn't seem to be much of this "$100,000 cash and in kind sponsorship" benefitting the Mt Buller participants (except perhaps the overseas GMs and IMs)!

Kaitlin
23-01-2005, 04:18 PM
This mightn't be relevant :ponder: but I think that having your name go up on a board on the wall in that gold paint is awesome - cause its kinda like there forever, and people might tell you if they saw your name there. But I guess that only works if the event is like held in the same place each time, then like you can have the year and the winner and second place winner and third place winner for that year. And you could have a board for each event. But I guess if the venue changes each time then it wouldn't be good cause you would have to cart the boards around and maybe they wouldn't like you taken them down and at the new place putting them up. Plus it it a bit different from an individual trophy which you get to take home wif you but if you could have it it would be good :).

eclectic
23-01-2005, 06:14 PM
This mightn't be relevant :ponder: but I think that having your name go up on a board on the wall in that gold paint is awesome - cause its kinda like there forever, and people might tell you if they saw your name there. But I guess that only works if the event is like held in the same place each time, then like you can have the year and the winner and second place winner and third place winner for that year. And you could have a board for each event. But I guess if the venue changes each time then it wouldn't be good cause you would have to cart the boards around and maybe they wouldn't like you taken them down and at the new place putting them up. Plus it it a bit different from an individual trophy which you get to take home wif you but if you could have it it would be good :).

Hi Kaitlin,

I'm sure there'll be CYBER HONOUR BOARDS soon enough.

There was a primitive attempt at this during recent Victorian Championships when copies of its honour boards were posted on the official site ... only to make it terribly slow loading.

I daren't look at the Melbourne Chess Club site ... wherever that is these days ... to see the extent of their honour boards.

(I better clean out my fridge ... something spilt in there ... )

:hmm:

Mark

firegoat7
23-01-2005, 08:02 PM
I think the ACF deserve a big congratulation for taking on the responsibility of organising the Mt Buller events. It is a step in the right direction towards ACF professionalism and accountability.. Obviously there were hiccups, but by all accounts most people seeemed to enjoy the tournaments.

Furthermore, taking on Mt Buller at such short notice was always going to be a difficult task. Nevertheless they did manage to run the event without moving the venue, whcih is important for credibility.

A few things need to be fixed, probably the one that stands out is the treatment of our own homegrown IMs. I am sure next time they will be treated better.

Cheers FG7

ursogr8
23-01-2005, 08:06 PM
Hi Kaitlin,

I'm sure there'll be CYBER HONOUR BOARDS soon enough.

There was a primitive attempt at this during recent Victorian Championships ....

:hmm:

Mark


Also done very kindly for us by Amiel when he posted his pictures of our Box Hill honour boards (pictures taken at the VIC OPEN week-ender). Nothing primitive about Amiels pics.

We have cber-ised all our records by writing a document of the 50 year history of the Box Hill Chess Club, and posted on a thread here.


starter

bobby1972
24-01-2005, 07:58 AM
what about the open games rounds 10 and 11 please

Libby
24-01-2005, 08:13 AM
what about the open games rounds 10 and 11 please

Garvin posted them - post 451 in the Junior thread

pax
24-01-2005, 08:21 AM
Garvin posted them - post 451 in the Junior thread

Why aren't they on the website?

Libby
24-01-2005, 08:40 AM
Why aren't they on the website?

You should know better than to ask me that question ;)

pax
24-01-2005, 08:48 AM
You should know better than to ask me that question ;)

Sorry, wasn't a question for you. Tournament websites are notorious for "forgetting" to do the final update, which is ironic since that is the one most people want to see most of all.

Garvin has posted the PGN here, and presumably has also sent them to STML, so I just wonder what the hold up is. More network problems?

Libby
24-01-2005, 08:59 AM
Sorry, wasn't a question for you. Tournament websites are notorious for "forgetting" to do the final update, which is ironic since that is the one most people want to see most of all.

Garvin has posted the PGN here, and presumably has also sent them to STML, so I just wonder what the hold up is. More network problems?

Received this email last night -


Hi Libby,
We couldn't find any final placings on the Mt Buller Website.
How did Kayleigh finish up?

Hope you are enjoying the holidays.
Kerstin

Kind of illustrates the problem doesn't it? I rang Kerstin (a parent from school who is involved & interested in the chess and probably should have sent her daughter too) and she said they'd been trying to follow the event because they knew a lot of the kids participating, but found it a bit difficult and thought the prizewinners would have been on the website at the end?

klyall
25-01-2005, 09:05 PM
A big thank you to all the children, parents and carers who attended the trivia and fun night to raise money for the Red Cross Tsunami appeal. Over $65.00 was raised. :)

The overall winners were the team from Canberra. Congratulations to all concerned. :lol:

Highlights of the nights included some sensational paper planes which flew substantial distances (some budding aeronautical engineers must have been present); full marks to every under 10 child in the spelling competition; extremely high scores overall - especially in the maths sections. Well done to all teams! In fact, every team won at least one section - and were able to choose a small prize each.

Thank you to George for being a great compare, to Garvin for helping to purchase the prizes (bus trip to Mansfield), to Max for keeping a running score for the different teams, to Julie and Greg for checking the answers and to Laurie and David for helping to put the chairs and tables away. Particular thanks to Alex who did a terrific job organising the questions.

Duff McKagan
30-01-2005, 05:52 AM
I hope that next years organisers will take note of lessons learnt from this years events at Mount Buller. Its probably better to hold important events like this in a major city where resources and facilities are readily available. If we are doing it for the chess then i think paying Italian IMs in some sort of package deal using the operating funds is not optimal. Consider that if you had $100000 to utilise in the open division, why not just have $50000 for first place if you want people to come play. Im sure that would attract quite a few more entrants of high calibre. Also the scaling of prize funds from 1st to 12th I think is just shoe shining for the top players. If they want it they have to play like they want it. As for two rounds per day, its highly exhausting on players and coaches, why not stick to one? Its supposed to be organised for the chess, not organised around other constraints. Another weird phenomenom from the juniors: 15 minute 0 increment playoff games after a normal round time control that had 60 second increment? Surely the playoff could include increment also, even were it 15+5.
Some good things i noticed in Mount Buller were the good behaviour of the juniors and coaches and the hard work of Alex Saint.
Lets hope that we have a good one in 2006.