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Libby
31-12-2004, 03:59 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=369178

As if you ever doubted it ...

According to Good Morning America, chess is set to be "hot" in 2005

Maybe that "Buff Bods of Chess" calendar is the way to go for the next Olympiad fundraiser. :cool:

Trent Parker
31-12-2004, 04:19 PM
So Chess will be "hot" in australia in 2006???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

WhiteElephant
31-12-2004, 04:27 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=369178


According to Good Morning America, chess is set to be "hot" in 2005



Chess and Banana Republic Brooches :)

WhiteElephant
31-12-2004, 04:30 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=369178

Maybe that "Buff Bods of Chess" calendar is the way to go for the next Olympiad fundraiser. :cool:

But seriously, why not?

Is there anyone in the chess community with:
Photography skills?
Layout/Design/Printing skills?

The Calendar could be something like 'The Faces of Chess' showing various players deep in thought contemplating their next move.

Libby
31-12-2004, 05:21 PM
But seriously, why not?

Is there anyone in the chess community with:
Photography skills?
Layout/Design/Printing skills?

The Calendar could be something like 'The Faces of Chess' showing various players deep in thought contemplating their next move.

Are you suggesting the buff bods can't be found? :cool:

Or wouldn't sell? :hmm:

WhiteElephant
31-12-2004, 05:33 PM
Are you suggesting the buff bods can't be found? :cool:

Not at all. I can think of a few :)



Or wouldn't sell? :hmm:

Well, that depends on the target market. I would assume it to be chessplayers and friends/ relatives of chessplayers.

Would a 'Buff Bods of Chess' or 'Nude Men of Chess' appeal to the predominantly male chessplaying public? Hmmm. Possibly to some. :hmm:

Therefore, for the calendar to sell it should either:
1) Contain both male and female bods
2) Contain chessplayers doing something of interest to males and females such as maybe...playing chess.

Libby
31-12-2004, 07:47 PM
Not at all. I can think of a few :)

:eek:




Well, that depends on the target market. I would assume it to be chessplayers and friends/ relatives of chessplayers.

Would a 'Buff Bods of Chess' or 'Nude Men of Chess' appeal to the predominantly male chessplaying public? Hmmm. Possibly to some. :hmm:

Therefore, for the calendar to sell it should either:
1) Contain both male and female bods
2) Contain chessplayers doing something of interest to males and females such as maybe...playing chess.

OK - if the concept is to be actually taken seriously ...

By all means feature Aussie players (buff bods preferred but I guess I could stick to perving at my Men of AFL instead). Maybe some young talent as well as wise old heads. But more than pictures, have the "Mr January" with a brief bio, maybe an annotated game, puzzle or miniature. Something unique and contributed by the photographed subject to give it real appeal - and a personal touch.

These sorts of things are trawled out regularly to fundraise for everything from firemen (and they are usually buff) to retirement homes (where they are definitely not). I'm assuming these are usually run at a profit - not much of a fundraiser otherwise.

Certainly, well out from the next Olympiad, someone young and motivated with too much time on their hands might like to investigate the possibility :hmm:

Denis_Jessop
31-12-2004, 09:13 PM
But seriously, why not?

Is there anyone in the chess community with:
Photography skills?
Layout/Design/Printing skills?

The Calendar could be something like 'The Faces of Chess' showing various players deep in thought contemplating their next move.


You'll find a few photographers without too much trouble. For example Cathy Rogers does a lot and I have done a bit over the years, most recently at the Aust Open 2001. The layout, design etc may be more of a problem. The big question is would it sell, at least in sufficient numbers to make it a viable proposition?

Denis Jessop

Ian Rout
31-12-2004, 09:44 PM
There are calendars on all manner of specialised and esoteric subjects - for instance last week I saw a Ferrets calendar in the mall. However realistically a calendar with shots of a couple of nerds playing chess is unlikely to sell even (perhaps especially) among chess players.

There would need to be pictures of a cute or humorous nature with "serious" chess either absent or a sideline, e.g. Darryl's Tip of the Month at the base of the page. Or lots of flesh as per the original suggestion.

WhiteElephant
31-12-2004, 10:15 PM
Posting from a NYE party, so only a brief comment for now. At high school we were raising money for a new gym and one of the students put together a calendar of caricatures of the teachers. Funniest thing I've ever seen - exaggerating each teacher's most prominent and humorous traits. Something like that might work.

Eg. David Smerdon as a smurf. A certain ratty's head on top of a rat. Get the idea?

Definitely agree that humour is an important element, we see enough chessplayers sitting around at tournaments every day, need to include something we wouldn't normally see.

Happy New Year...hic

W.E.

Denis_Jessop
01-01-2005, 02:40 PM
There are calendars on all manner of specialised and esoteric subjects - for instance last week I saw a Ferrets calendar in the mall. However realistically a calendar with shots of a couple of nerds playing chess is unlikely to sell even (perhaps especially) among chess players.

There would need to be pictures of a cute or humorous nature with "serious" chess either absent or a sideline, e.g. Darryl's Tip of the Month at the base of the page. Or lots of flesh as per the original suggestion.

Chess Cafe.com puts out a chess calendar. I have only seen the 2003 version. It is strictly for chess players only having fairly basic photos of a player per month with short biog. and a game and every day of the month noting the birth or death of a chess person (or I assume they are though I haven't heard of some of them eg., try Gad Rechlis b. 5/2/1967 or Ethel B Collins b. 19/3/1905.) Brian Jones stocks the calendar, or did last year at least.

Perhaps then we need to get back to naked chessplayers as at first suggested by Libby though the selection could be a matter of controversy rivalling junior selections for overseas representation or the Olympiad teams if we stick to Australia. Better to go for outright class and have 12 photos of Alexandra Kosteniuk. :rolleyes: :hmm:

Denis Jessop

Brian_Jones
01-01-2005, 03:23 PM
Yes, I will bring the Chesscafe.com 2005 international chess calendars to Mt Buller next week!

Libby
01-01-2005, 03:58 PM
Perhaps then we need to get back to naked chessplayers as at first suggested by Libby though the selection could be a matter of controversy rivalling junior selections for overseas representation or the Olympiad teams if we stick to Australia.

OK - I never said naked ...

Buff does not always mean naked (although you might want to peruse my Mt Buller booklet for details of the waxing services on offer at Breathtaker!)

Of course, those nudie fundraiser calendars make quite an art of concealing that which must not be seen with floral arrangements and items befitting the theme of the calendar.

I think I'll stop there ...

auriga
01-01-2005, 04:24 PM
Yes, I will bring the Chesscafe.com 2005 international chess calendars to Mt Buller next week!

there's also a USCF womens olympiad team calendar for 2004.

think brian should be able to dig one out (and maybe take to mt buller).

unfortunately, the photos (ie. one player each month rotated times 2)
were in black and white and weren't that provocative!?
(ie. photos of simulataneous displays, tournament games, etc.) :(

jenni
02-01-2005, 10:13 AM
I think we need a controversial calendar - lots of naked flesh. Can you imagine the media having a field day with it? - it is just the right idea to get maximum coverage. If we can even just think of a few extra angles, maybe even movie rights are not out of the question.....

Thunderspirit
02-01-2005, 11:53 AM
Jenni's idea of maximum controversy is good, but then we need 12 women in Australian chess who are up for the idea, which maybe the problem.

WhiteElephant
02-01-2005, 12:59 PM
Jenni's idea of maximum controversy is good, but then we need 12 women in Australian chess who are up for the idea, which maybe the problem.

Ms January: Jenni
Ms February: Libby
etc :)

Libby
02-01-2005, 02:09 PM
Ms January: Jenni
Ms February: Libby
etc :)

You may be overestimating how far we will go in the interests of Australian Chess ... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

BTW - I thought we were after those "Buff Bods." Who turned it into a girlie shoot? Let's stick to modelling it on participation. That would be 1 girl and 11 guys (or maybe 0.5 girl and I'll let you decide which half).

Now WE - the challenge for you is to name those Buff Bods you said you could think of?

Brian_Jones
02-01-2005, 03:48 PM
Hands up all those that have seen the recent movie "Calendar Girls"?
Is this what we should use as our model for this tasteful project? :rolleyes:

jenni
02-01-2005, 04:05 PM
Hands up all those that have seen the recent movie "Calendar Girls"?
Is this what we should use as our model for this tasteful project? :rolleyes:
I have been sprung - it was exactly what was in my thoughts :uhoh:

Libby
02-01-2005, 05:14 PM
I have been sprung - it was exactly what was in my thoughts :uhoh:

With reference to ourselves? (I am a fraction younger than Helen Mirren but less likely to disrobe I guess)

Or with reference to those whose chess (and bods) may be of more interest - our chessplayers themselves.

Perhaps we should be calling for volunteers :owned:

jenni
02-01-2005, 05:24 PM
With reference to ourselves? (I am a fraction younger than Helen Mirren but less likely to disrobe I guess)

Mmm - no. I feel we need chess players not adminstrators.


Perhaps we should be calling for volunteers :owned:
Perhaps all those calling for great sacrifices for the future good of Australian chess would be the most likely to do it?

WhiteElephant
02-01-2005, 05:25 PM
You may be overestimating how far we will go in the interests of Australian Chess ... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Now WE - the challenge for you is to name those Buff Bods you said you could think of?

Now you know that isn't fair :)

I'll do a deal with you - call for volunteers first and if there are no takers I will start nominating.

Libby
02-01-2005, 05:30 PM
Mmm - no. I feel we need chess players not adminstrators.

Perhaps all those calling for great sacrifices for the future good of Australian chess would be the most likely to do it?

Could even be the unmasking of the anonymous posters/posers on the BB?!!

They could choose to be, or not to be, unmasked by careful concealment and use of props. Gives a new dimension to all those identity debates. :lol:

Thunderspirit
03-01-2005, 07:03 AM
I agree with Libby, it's players we need not admin people. Ideally they would probably be ages between 18-35, though this is not necessarily set in stone.

Maybe the Women's League could ask around??

jenni
03-01-2005, 10:22 AM
I agree with Libby, it's players we need not admin people.

ahem - that should be I agree with Jenni. I know Libby and I sometimes appear to be a Siamese twin act, but please attribute correctly.....


Ideally they would probably be ages between 18-35, though this is not necessarily set in stone.

Maybe the Women's League could ask around??

Is Evelyn still up there? - maybe you could ask her (if you dare).

WhiteElephant
03-01-2005, 11:07 AM
I hate to be a party pooper but realistically, I don't believe a Buff Bods Calendar will work for a few reasons:

1) As discussed, lack of volunteers
2) Perhaps lack of Buff Bods in the chess scene though I am not certain about that.
3) I don't believe chessplayers will buy such a calendar - remember, it has to be hung up/ displayed somewhere.
4) Most Importantly - is this the image we want associated with chess? Chess is a grand old game and I can't help thinking that this kind of advertising would be degrading. For motor racing or tennis, a sex sells mentality is part of the sport. But when your advertising goes against the positioning of a product in people's minds, it is more often than not, unsuccessful. Hope I am not sounding very conservative but that is my opinion - I am happy to be proved wrong.

I agree with the suggestion that the calendar should be controversial/ striking/unusual. But we can do this in other ways and still be creative without going the cheap and nasty sex sells route.

I believe that the elements necessary in the calendar shots are:
1) Attractive/ quirky/ interesting chessplayers (strong juniors, female players, crazy administrators, GMs, IMs)
2) humour
3) relevance to chess

With that in mind, I have one idea. It is only the first so please don't be too harsh, I'll have more :)

How about chessplayers playing chess in unusual settings? Take out a chessboard and an interesting chessplayer to a beach on the Gold Coast, a rainforest in Tasmania inside a church, on an airplane, etc etc.

This would be something I wouldn't mind hanging in my lounge room. It would also have the advantage of promoting chess to non-players as a ubiquitous activity.

W.E.

Thunderspirit
03-01-2005, 12:25 PM
If this idea is going to work, it has to be a 'girly' calender so it makes noise in the real world. Finanically I also believe it would work.

All we need is 12 women in Australian chess who are up to the idea, of being spoiled for a day, (Make-up, etc...) with the idea of baring a bit of leg...

WhiteElephant
03-01-2005, 12:32 PM
Recently there was some discussion here about Almira Skripchenko's provocative shots, in a ChessBase article. From memory, the feedback here was predominantly negative. I wouldn't want Aus female players going the same route.

Libby
03-01-2005, 12:37 PM
You know - I was only ever operating with tongue planted firmly in cheek. :owned:

I don't think you'd find any kind of disreputable girly (and Lee - again I ask, when did it start HAVING to be girly?) calendar works without a professional shoot and good marketing. Let alone finding enough willing to show a little leg (and are we talking ankles or what?)

- some of you chess admins might have to do a bit of development on women's chess before you can even drum up 12 girls anyway!!

Perhaps the far-off promise of finding enough subjects for a 2016 "Chess Chicks" calendar is the right incentive. :doh:

WhiteElephant
03-01-2005, 12:46 PM
You know - I was only ever operating with tongue planted firmly in cheek. :owned:

I don't think you'd find any kind of disreputable girly (and Lee - again I ask, when did it start HAVING to be girly?) calendar works without a professional shoot and good marketing. Let alone finding enough willing to show a little leg (and are we talking ankles or what?)

- some of you chess admins might have to do a bit of development on women's chess before you can even drum up 12 girls anyway!!

Perhaps the far-off promise of finding enough subjects for a 2016 "Chess Chicks" calendar is the right incentive. :doh:

Man, I've been ringing around all my chessplaying friends to see if they would like to volunteer as subjects. So you mean I did all that for nothing? :D

jenni
03-01-2005, 01:16 PM
Recently there was some discussion here about Almira Skripchenko's provocative shots, in a ChessBase article. From memory, the feedback here was predominantly negative. I wouldn't want Aus female players going the same route.

I think this whole thread has been very tongue in cheek - Libby and I have been having a bit of a giggle about it when talking on the phone (although Libby did get a little hot and bothered when finding herself elected as Ms Feb :) ).

However if you want to get lots of publicity for chess, it is going to be with things that are a bit off centre and maybe even outrageous. e.g the goat's fisticuffs generated a lot more publicity, than Ray's good performance at the World youth.

While I am not suggesting we rush out and do lots of negative things in order to get some prurient journalism, I do think our PR could be better handled. Chess has a serious image problem and this does flow onto numbers. While your die hard chess kids stick to the game, many of the peripheral kids give up chess in High School because it is sooo uncool.

I don't necessarily have any answers, being a fairly serious boring person myself, but I am sure there has to be a balance where we can promote the chess environment as a more dynamic environment than it currently appears.

Maybe a sub-committee of people like Denis Bourmistrov, Amiel Rosario etc.

WhiteElephant
03-01-2005, 01:38 PM
I think this whole thread has been very tongue in cheek .

Yes :)



- Libby and I have been having a bit of a giggle about it when talking on the phone (although Libby did get a little hot and bothered when finding herself elected as Ms Feb :) ).

However if you want to get lots of publicity for chess, it is going to be with things that are a bit off centre and maybe even outrageous. e.g the goat's fisticuffs generated a lot more publicity, than Ray's good performance at the World youth.

While I am not suggesting we rush out and do lots of negative things in order to get some prurient journalism, I do think our PR could be better handled. Chess has a serious image problem and this does flow onto numbers. While your die hard chess kids stick to the game, many of the peripheral kids give up chess in High School because it is sooo uncool.

I don't necessarily have any answers, being a fairly serious boring person myself, but I am sure there has to be a balance where we can promote the chess environment as a more dynamic environment than it currently appears.

Maybe a sub-committee of people like Denis Bourmistrov, Amiel Rosario etc.

I completely agree with everything you say. I think there are 2 issues here. The first is the image of chess which definitely needs attention and should be addressed by the ACF - a subcommittee is a good idea. The second is the issue of a calendar as a fundraising tool which I believe is viable.

W.E.

Libby
03-01-2005, 03:37 PM
Man, I've been ringing around all my chessplaying friends to see if they would like to volunteer as subjects. So you mean I did all that for nothing? :D

Not at all - feel free to post some pictorial examples ... ;)


Ideally they would probably be ages between 18-35, though this is not necessarily set in stone.

Darn, Miss February dips out - only just mind you ... :rolleyes:

auriga
03-01-2005, 06:41 PM
Not at all - feel free to post some pictorial examples ... ;)


don't laugh, but the website www.kosteniuk.com has some good ideas that could be used (ie. posing with giant chess piece, etc).

don't think the calendar has to be 100% chess players (could get a few ring-ins) also, would be good to have different places/tournaments around australia shown eg. in melbourne lygon st, ballarat gold rush museum, sydney harbour bridge, gold coast beach, etc. something like this would appeal to everyone!

all you need to do is get a good photographer/chess player who can snap the months and put it all together professionally.

WhiteElephant
04-01-2005, 10:39 AM
don't laugh, but the website www.kosteniuk.com has some good ideas that could be used (ie. posing with giant chess piece, etc).

Some of her photos are just ridiculous but there are some good ideas though. I remember when she was younger that website used to be criticised as a paedophile's dream but now that she is older and a GM she has some more credibility.



don't think the calendar has to be 100% chess players (could get a few ring-ins) also, would be good to have different places/tournaments around australia shown eg. in melbourne lygon st, ballarat gold rush museum, sydney harbour bridge, gold coast beach, etc. something like this would appeal to everyone!

Exactly! Featuring Aussia landmarks, we could sell the calendar outside the chess community and even overseas.

Speaking of ring-ins, I have a few Buff friends in the gym who can play a bit of chess :)


all you need to do is get a good photographer/chess player who can snap the months and put it all together professionally.

That's right, if people are prepared to donate their time, we could produce the calendar quite cheaply. There may be people who don't have the money to donate to the Olympiad but are happy to donate their time, and this would give them the opportunity to contribute.

WhiteElephant
04-01-2005, 10:50 AM
Some prospective photographers who can send us photos:

KB - chess in the wilds of Tasmania
Jenni & Libby - chess at Parliament House
Chris Depasquale - chess at Ayers Rock (on his next visit to NT)

:banana:

Libby
04-01-2005, 11:11 AM
Some of her photos are just ridiculous but there are some good ideas though. I remember when she was younger that website used to be criticised as a paedophile's dream but now that she is older and a GM she has some more credibility.




Exactly! Featuring Aussia landmarks, we could sell the calendar outside the chess community and even overseas.

Speaking of ring-ins, I have a few Buff friends in the gym who can play a bit of chess :)



That's right, if people are prepared to donate their time, we could produce the calendar quite cheaply. There may be people who don't have the money to donate to the Olympiad but are happy to donate their time, and this would give them the opportunity to contribute.

All things like this are possible - and a lot more attractive than "begging" for funds.

The first important step would be to cost your production. Find out what resources you have in the chess community already to produce such an item. Eg people out there involved in graphic design, art, photography, printing. People who could supply materials (even just the paper for printing) at cost if not for free.

Sponsorship - ie businesses (chess or otherwise) who may contribute to production costs in exchange for running their logo or details within the calendar.

Format and market. It's very unlikely - short of making a near-porno effort - that this sort of calendar will sell outside of your chess-playing market. I think it would work best with significant (well-known) faces in the photos. By all means feature landmarks (the player in question in his home city or town) or even just feature players at the events scheduled in that month. Eg Ian Rogers at Doeberl for March/April. But value-add with something unique from that player or event. Something personally contributed. Or even run a competition within the calendar by setting a difficult problem each month which a player can tear-off and submit the answer to, and first correct answer received/drawn wins a prize (maybe just free entry to the tournament of his/her choice amongst those which have permitted that possibility and therefore been advertised within the calendar).

Distribution. You need to sell it Australia-wide and you need it to be a good price-point. $10 would be good and more than $20 you won't sell enough. Would all associations/clubs agree to pay up-front for a bundle of calendars to on-sell at their own events? This is much easier than issuing them and then chasing the money later. More incentive to sell them too, if the cost has already been incurred. You'd want to sell them for about 6months and then sell any remaining product at Aus Open & Juniors in January. Perhaps discounted if sales have been slow. Investigate the relative cost of bulk production. Can you produce a smaller number and then add as demanded rather than do a single large order and risk having stock you can't shift or sell at too small a margin?

Good luck! You know, even selling chocolates at chess events makes an excellent return. $2 chocolate = $1 profit. You could probably raise a few hundred dollars selling chocolates at the scoretable at the Open each year. There are simpler (and nicer) ways to make money than grovelling. Something similar (chocs) could be sold at the Juniors and put aside to help the World Youth team. OK - on this scale it would't fund the whole trip or anything but it could be enough to halve the cost of the uniforms. And the effort required for this return is almost non-existant.

Thunderspirit
05-01-2005, 10:16 AM
Perhaps a slightly different theme would be to great some well known Australians playing chess. It is well known that Joe Roff (Former Wallaby) is quite a reasonable social player, and may or may not be able to help...

Even if he can't he was always a cool guy at school....

Marist Rocks!

WhiteElephant
05-01-2005, 02:37 PM
Perhaps a slightly different theme would be to great some well known Australians playing chess. It is well known that Joe Roff (Former Wallaby) is quite a reasonable social player, and may or may not be able to help...

Even if he can't he was always a cool guy at school....

Marist Rocks!

There may be quite a few Aus celebrities we can ask for help...I believe John Wood (Blue Heelers) is a keen chess player as are a few of the guys from The Panel.

PS Libby great post - you've raised some vital issues - gives me a lot to think about.

W.E.

Spiny Norman
05-01-2005, 08:33 PM
I believe John Wood (Blue Heelers) is a keen chess player as are a few of the guys from The Panel.

Hmmm. Now you've got ME thinking. John lives out near me @ Lilydale. I know Maroondah Council had him as patron of their arts festival recently ... so it looks like I'd better drop them a line and see if I can get in touch with him.

Mischa
06-01-2005, 12:15 AM
And no one even suggested I might make a good Miss March? Not naked of course!

WhiteElephant
06-01-2005, 12:56 AM
And no one even suggested I might make a good Miss March? Not naked of course!

Sorry...nude pics only :) Kidding.

Hi noidea. Do I know you in real life? I can make a pretty good guess from your past posts but can't be sure.

W.E.

WhiteElephant
06-01-2005, 01:05 AM
Hmmm. Now you've got ME thinking. John lives out near me @ Lilydale. I know Maroondah Council had him as patron of their arts festival recently ... so it looks like I'd better drop them a line and see if I can get in touch with him.

About 15 years ago, there was a Sydney production of Chess the musical and John Wood played the part of the Russian Second. For the Aus Juniors that year, the cast from Chess came to do a number as part of the Opening Ceremony. For anyone who's seen it - they did the song 'A Model of Decorum' which was unfortunately omitted from the more recent Melbourne production of Chess. Anyway, John Wood was excellent in it and the rumour was he was one of the first to sign up because of his interest in chess.

peanbrain
06-01-2005, 08:47 PM
Chris Depasquale - chess at Ayers Rock (on his next visit to NT)

:banana:

how about a shot of the court room?! :uhoh:

Alan Shore
06-01-2005, 11:01 PM
how about a shot of the court room?! :uhoh:

Bahahaha! :D

Does he still play much any more? Haven't heard his name much lately.. does anyone remember if he applied for the Olympiad team last year?

WhiteElephant
06-01-2005, 11:27 PM
Bahahaha! :D

Does he still play much any more? Haven't heard his name much lately.. does anyone remember if he applied for the Olympiad team last year?

He played in the last Vic Championships - from memory I believe he came =4th.

Mischa
06-01-2005, 11:46 PM
White Elephant, I have been asked to submit a photo before I am deemed acceptable for the dubious honor of Ms March...what do you think? Should I try being a pumpkin and be Ms October...or a Turkey for Ms November?

WhiteElephant
06-01-2005, 11:50 PM
White Elephant, I have been asked to submit a photo before I am deemed acceptable for the dubious honor of Ms March...what do you think? Should I try being a pumpkin and be Ms October...or a Turkey for Ms November?

I think we need to start a new thread - Applications for the BB Calendar - noidea, Jenni amd Libby send in your pics and the rest of us will vote :)

Mischa
07-01-2005, 12:10 AM
Elephant! How could you? I thought the naked pics I sent you would be enough...Jenni, Libby, don't fall for it...It is I who will be Ms whatever....he he

Ian Rout
07-01-2005, 07:41 AM
He played in the last Vic Championships - from memory I believe he came =4th.
Also the 2004 Doeberl Cup

http://www.netspeed.com.au/ianandjan/IansPage/results/weekenders/2004DoeberlCup.htm

No, he didn't apply for the Olympiad team.

jenni
07-01-2005, 09:17 AM
I think we need to start a new thread - Applications for the BB Calendar - noidea, Jenni amd Libby send in your pics and the rest of us will vote :)

Actually I don't think you want photos of Libby and I - Noidea is definitely younger and thinner.

Thunderspirit
07-01-2005, 12:09 PM
Who is 'noidea', and does she have an idea?!

jenni
07-01-2005, 01:39 PM
Who is 'noidea', and does she have an idea?!

You have to work it out Lee - I did from various clues she sprinkled about!

She is starting to have an idea!

ursogr8
07-01-2005, 02:09 PM
You have to work it out Lee - I did from various clues she sprinkled about!



Back on 24/9 you said >


Now I know who noidea is - should have guessed it from the same clues of course...... :)

jenni
07-01-2005, 02:29 PM
Back on 24/9 you said >

Ok - its true - it was eventually a post from you that allowed me to put together who she was!

ursogr8
07-01-2005, 02:46 PM
Ok - its true - it was eventually a post from you that allowed me to put together who she was!

j
Actually, I knew that you knew that.
I was just hinting to Lee where to start looking.
s

Mischa
07-01-2005, 08:29 PM
I have many ideas...not all understood, and not many sound...and not all my own...and very little on chess. Does that help?

Kevin Bonham
12-01-2005, 04:10 PM
Chess in the wilds of Tassie ... when I was at school we used to take little foldup sets on outdoor ed excursions and pick ridiculous places to play. I've played chess on top of Cathedral Rock (a mountain near Mt Wellington with a rather big cliff on one side) with the (thankfully magnetic) board being passed back and forth over a 100-metre drop between moves.