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jenni
11-12-2004, 10:17 AM
Asian Youth starts today - first round is 5pm our time.

Web site is

http://www.asiayouth2004.com


Ray in 5th seed in the under 10 open. and Angela 6th seed in the Girls Under 12.

Australians playing are

Open under 14

Justin Huang
Sherab Guo-Yuthok
Ben Lazarus

Open Under 12

Edwin Wu
William Xu

Open Under 10

Raymond Song

Open Under 8

Sebastian Soltysik

Girls Under 12

Angela Song
Adelaide Soltysik

Girls Under 10

Emma Guo

Team manager for this event has been Bonnie Wu.

jenni
12-12-2004, 11:17 AM
Not a good start for Ray with a loss in round 1 (however he has shown himself capable of a good recovery). He has been playing a lot of chess lately and he is only 10 years old.



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1.0 10 Boys U14
25 Guo Yuthok SherabAUS 0 1 1.0 1 Boys U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0.0 32 Boys U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0.5 27 Boys U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 1.0 22 Boys U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 0.0 25 Boys U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 0.0 36 Boys U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1.0 5 Girls U12
32 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 1.0 12 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0.5 12 Girls U10

Garvinator
12-12-2004, 06:43 PM
is there live coverage of the games?

jenni
12-12-2004, 08:01 PM
is there live coverage of the games?

Not that I have found.

jenni
12-12-2004, 08:07 PM
Justin Huang is doing well, as he often does in major competitions.





SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 2.0 3 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 1.0 17 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 0.0 37 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0.5 38 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 1.5 11 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 1.0 19 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 1.0 25 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 2.0 7 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 1.0 16 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0.5 19 Girls U10

jenni
13-12-2004, 12:38 PM
Angela still undefeated.



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 2.0 8 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 1.5 22 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 1.0 37 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 0.5 45 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1.5 22 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1.5 21 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 1.0 25 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 3.0 4 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1.0 25 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 0.5 21 Girls U10

jenni
14-12-2004, 10:58 AM
SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 2.0 20 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1.5 31 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1.0 35 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1.5 39 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 2.5 18 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 2.5 12 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 36 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 3.5 2 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 2.0 18 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1.5 17 Girls U10

Garvinator
14-12-2004, 11:09 AM
is angela a chance for a fm title or something?

arosar
14-12-2004, 11:11 AM
is angela a chance for a fm title or something?

For sanity's sake, "or something" we hope!

AR

jenni
14-12-2004, 01:12 PM
is angela a chance for a fm title or something?

Don't know what the rules are for things like Asian juniors. Its a lower level competition obviously than World youth, although still quite strong. I am sure she will be quite happy with a medal.....

pax
14-12-2004, 01:27 PM
is angela a chance for a fm title or something?

According to FIDE, there are FM titles for =1st (max three) in the continental u/10 though u/16, and IM norms for gold in u/16 and u/18. There's outright IM titles for =1st Asian u/20 (Shane Hill got his that way).

FIDE also says WFM title for =1st (max three) in continental u/10 though u/16, I presume this is intended to mean girls age championships. There's also the "Candidate Master" title for silver and bronze.

pax
14-12-2004, 01:33 PM
Not a good start for Ray with a loss in round 1 (however he has shown himself capable of a good recovery). He has been playing a lot of chess lately and he is only 10 years old.

Might be tough to come back in a nine round event..

jenni
14-12-2004, 02:38 PM
Might be tough to come back in a nine round event..

Yes I think so, particularly with a draw as well. Just a bit too much chess recently I think. He was going to play Open, Juniors and Zonal and they are probably going to drop the Juniors to give him a rest, which I think is a good idea. Even a chess fanatic like Ray can't keep going like that.

jenni
14-12-2004, 09:04 PM
Crunch time for Angela - she is now in clear second and one assumes is playing the girl from India who is the current leader.




SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 0 2.0 28 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1 2.5 22 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1 2.0 31 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 2.5 31 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 2.5 25 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 1 3.5 10 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.0 37 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 1 4.5 2 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 0 2.0 26 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 0 1.5 20 Girls U10

pax
15-12-2004, 11:29 AM
Wow, what a round for Australia! Angela is now sitting in outright 1st.



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 0 1 3.0 24 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1 1 3.5 17 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 3.0 26 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 1 3.5 23 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 0 2.5 33 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 1 1 4.5 7 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 2.0 33 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 5.5 1 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 3.0 20 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 0 1 2.5 18 Girls U10

pax
15-12-2004, 11:39 AM
I wonder if some u/12 girls are going to come out of this tournament with a massively inflated rating due to the Burmese girl (at 2312, she looks at least 400 points over rated).

Recherché
15-12-2004, 11:50 AM
Go Angela!!


I wonder if some u/12 girls are going to come out of this tournament with a massively inflated rating due to the Burmese girl (at 2312, she looks at least 400 points over rated).

Well, presumably nobody will play more than one game against her, so she can only have a limited effect, really. If she is losing many games, the only really marked effect should be on her own rating.

Or did you mean for the girls who are not yet rated, but will be after the tournament? I don't really know how that works...

pax
15-12-2004, 11:54 AM
Amiel, I notice your man Paragua is heading for another GM norm in the Masters event. He is leading on 5/6, with PR over 2650. Probably needs about 2/3 to get a norm (although I gather he probably doesn't need it).

pax
15-12-2004, 12:00 PM
Go Angela!!



Well, presumably nobody will play more than one game against her, so she can only have a limited effect, really. If she is losing many games, the only really marked effect should be on her own rating.


Since most of the players are unrated, she won't lose much.



Or did you mean for the girls who are not yet rated, but will be after the tournament? I don't really know how that works...

Yes. If an unrated player plays three or four rated players, one of whom is miss 2300, the average rating of the opponents will be significantly skewed, resulting in a new rating which might be inflated by 100 points or more. It should be temporary unless they go to Burma and play a few more overrated players ;)

arosar
15-12-2004, 12:14 PM
Amiel, I notice your man Paragua is heading for another GM norm in the Masters event. He is leading on 5/6, with PR over 2650. Probably needs about 2/3 to get a norm (although I gather he probably doesn't need it).

Thanks for the update mate. This sort of positive news is wonderful. I am particularly happy since my childhood hero, FPJ, died the other day. He ran for the presidency earlier this year. He's a bit like our local John Wayne.

AR

jenni
15-12-2004, 03:48 PM
Angela now outright first - 3 rounds to go.....



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 0 1 3.0 24 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1 1 3.5 17 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 3.0 26 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 1 3.5 23 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 0 2.5 33 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 1 1 4.5 7 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 2.0 33 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 5.5 1 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 3.0 20 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 0 1 2.5 18 Girls U10

jenni
15-12-2004, 03:50 PM
I wonder if some u/12 girls are going to come out of this tournament with a massively inflated rating due to the Burmese girl (at 2312, she looks at least 400 points over rated).

I understand there have been a number of shaky FIDE's come out of Burma....

Trizza
15-12-2004, 03:54 PM
I understand there have been a number of shaky FIDE's come out of Burma....

Shaky is not quite the word I would use...

Well done Angela so far, hope she can keep it going.

Chess Dad
15-12-2004, 05:41 PM
Angela now outright first - 3 rounds to go.....



Go Angela, :D :banana:

I really hope she can continue through to the end of the tournament.

In a lot of ways she has had to live in Raymond's shadow and it will be wonderful for her to have a big result in her own right to encourage her.

Perhaps she might read a chess book instead of one of her novels.

Garvinator
15-12-2004, 07:13 PM
Perhaps she might read a chess book instead of one of her novels. if Angela gets the fm title from this tournament, she should keep reading novels
:whistle:

pax
15-12-2004, 09:30 PM
I understand there have been a number of shaky FIDE's come out of Burma....

The ratings are definitely well dodgy. The titles less so..

Interestingly, of Burma's 18 FMs, only 2 are rated under 2400, and none under 2350. Does anyone know if there is a FIDE policy of increasing the rating requirement for Burmese players?

They also have 8 players over 2500, and 32 players over 2400, yet only 1 GM and 4 IMs. I think the GM (ranked 8th) is a reasonable player, but for the others it's very hard to say...

pax
15-12-2004, 09:34 PM
Actually, that Burmese girl is almost certainly the highest rated girl under 12 in the world (maybe even under 14).

boardumb
16-12-2004, 01:03 AM
i have a sneaking suspicion that the last 10 moves or so of that game are wrong.

and i also note that unfortunately angela has lost her round 7 match, which puts her back into =2nd with 4 others, but she's not out of it yet, and =1st at least looks quite possible.

as an aside to the topic of titled players in this tournament, in the U14 girls, a girl from my old home town HK (SAR) is a WGM and rated 2041!
that's got to be close to a record, if it's true.

jenni
16-12-2004, 08:37 AM
With only 2 rounds to go, maybe a bit tight to get back into first, however anything can happen. Still a very good performance by Angela. The unrated boy who beat Ray in the first round is now coming outright first - bit of an unlucky first round pairing!



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 4.0 17 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1 1 0 3.5 22 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 4.0 18 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 1 0 3.5 32 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 0 1 3.5 26 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 1 1 ½ 5.0 7 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 ½ 2.5 33 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 0 5.5 2 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 4.0 16 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 0 1 1 3.5 14 Girls U10

Garvinator
16-12-2004, 10:01 AM
The unrated boy who beat Ray in the first round is now coming outright first - bit of an unlucky first round pairing!
sheesh, that means Ray has gotten two of those pairings in a row i think :eek: are they using progressive;)

pax
16-12-2004, 10:38 AM
Tiebreak 1 looks like Buchholz. As for tiebreak 2, I'm not sure, but it could be a weird median buchholz... Angela is very well placed on TB1 so far.

jenni
16-12-2004, 11:09 AM
Tiebreak 1 looks like Buchholz. As for tiebreak 2, I'm not sure, but it could be a weird median buchholz... Angela is very well placed on TB1 so far.

According to the website

Tie Break1: Buchholz Tie-Breaks (all Results)
Tie Break2: Sonneborn-Berger-Tie-Break (with real points)

jenni
16-12-2004, 02:47 PM
[Event "Asian Girls U-12"]

[Round "6.1"]
[White "Song, Angela"]
[Black "Lakshmi, Sahithi P"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1838"]
[BlackElo "1996"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qc7
9. 0-0-0 h6 10.Bh4 Nbd7 11.Bd3 g5 12.fxg5 Ne5 13.Qe2 Nfg4 14.h3 hxg5 15.Bg3
Nf6 16.Nf3 Nh5 17.Bh2 b5 18.Qd2 Bd7 19.Kb1 f6 20. Nd4 0-0-0 21.a4 Nc4 22.Qe2
Qc5 23.Nb3 Qc7 24.axb5 axb5 25.Nd4 Na3+ 26.Kc1 b4 27. Ba6+ Kb8 28.Ncb5 Nxb5
29.Nxb5 Bxb5 30.Qxb5+ Ka8 31.Qxb4 Rb8 32.Qa4 Rb6 33. Bc4+ Kb8 34.Bxe6 Rb7
35.Rd3 Ng7 36.Bd5 Ra7 37.Qb4+ Kc8 38.Rc3 Ne8 39.Rxc7+ Nxc7 40.Rd1 Ra1+
41.Kd2 Rxd1+ 42.Kxd1 Nxd5 43.exd5 Rh4 44.Qb6 Kd7 45.Qc6+

pax
17-12-2004, 07:59 AM
[Event "Asian Girls U-12"]

[Round "6.1"]
[White "Song, Angela"]
[Black "Lakshmi, Sahithi P"]
[Result "1-0"]

Where did you find this? The game on the website starts e4 e5..

jenni
17-12-2004, 08:47 AM
Australian team is once again doing well. Probably no chance of firsts, but both Ray and Angela with medal chances.



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 ½ 4.5 17 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1 1 0 ½ 4.0 22 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 ½ 4.5 20 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 4.5 23 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 0 1 0 3.5 33 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 1 1 ½ 1 6.0 5 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 ½ 0 2.5 36 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 0 ½ 6.0 3 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 4.0 18 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 0 1 1 ½ 4.0 15 Girls U10

jenni
17-12-2004, 08:56 AM
Where did you find this? The game on the website starts e4 e5..Sonia Song sent it to me - the one on the website is not Angela's game. You might want to delete yours.

Other news from Sonia is that the kids are all very tired. They have to spend 2 hours a day travelling between the hotel and the playing hall. They are having trouble getting the draws on doubled up days and the kids are not finding out who thier opponent is until just before the round starts. They are also suffering from a lack of air-conditioning outside of the playing hall.

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 09:27 AM
Sonia Song sent it to me - the one on the website is not Angela's game. You might want to delete yours.

Other news from Sonia is that the kids are all very tired. They have to spend 2 hours a day travelling between the hotel and the playing hall. They are having trouble getting the draws on doubled up days and the kids are not finding out who thier opponent is until just before the round starts. They are also suffering from a lack of air-conditioning outside of the playing hall.
mt buller will be better than this :whistle: :lol:

jenni
17-12-2004, 09:44 AM
mt buller will be better than this :whistle: :lol:

Well at least it is not going to be hot and humid. :)

I have to admit I am looking forwad to going back - it was just so pretty and clean and peaceful. Unlike the kids, I don't need constant excitement in my life. :)

pax
17-12-2004, 09:54 AM
Sonia Song sent it to me - the one on the website is not Angela's game. You might want to delete yours.

Too late.. I'd need an admin.. Probably doesn't matter now anyway..

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 10:05 AM
Well at least it is not going to be hot and humid. :)

I have to admit I am looking forwad to going back - it was just so pretty and clean and peaceful. Unlike the kids, I don't need constant excitement in my life. :)
i was also thinking of the two hour bus trip that was mentioned ;)

jenni
17-12-2004, 10:18 AM
i was also thinking of the two hour bus trip that was mentioned ;)

Yes but at least you are sitting down, unlike the HILL.

jenni
17-12-2004, 03:45 PM
Some unofficial results - Angela and Ray were still playing.

Ben Won 5.5
Justin Draw 5.0
Sherab Draw 4.5
Em Lost 4.0
Edwin Lost 4.5
William Won 4.5
Adelaide Draw 4.5
Sebastian Loss 2.5

So almost the whole team with a score of 50% or better.

Ian_Rogers
17-12-2004, 03:59 PM
Angela won but Ray lost.

Angela finished second.

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 04:03 PM
Angela finished second.
:clap: :clap: :clap: i take it no fm or wfm titles or something?

Chess Dad
17-12-2004, 04:06 PM
Angela won but Ray lost.

Angela finished second.

Well done Angela. :owned:

jenni
17-12-2004, 04:21 PM
Lovely result for Angela - often hard to be in the shadow of a younger sibling.

jenni
17-12-2004, 04:25 PM
Too late.. I'd need an admin.. Probably doesn't matter now anyway..

you can always delete your own posts - mods can delete other people's.

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 04:32 PM
you can always delete your own posts - mods can delete other people's.
i dont think you can. I remember karths saying that a poster cant delete their own posts after 12 hours. Must get a mod or admin to do it.

jenni
17-12-2004, 04:39 PM
i dont think you can. I remember karths saying that a poster cant delete their own posts after 12 hours. Must get a mod or admin to do it.

Oh - I think that's right - I think that came in becasue there was some bun fight about people going and deleting their posts in the middle of an arguement.

I'll delete it - it isn't Angela's game and I am sure Sonia wouldn't want it there with Angela's name against it.

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 04:48 PM
Oh - I think that's right - I think that came in becasue there was some bun fight about people going and deleting their posts in the middle of an arguement.
that change came in after the unmentionable one saga :doh:

Alan Shore
17-12-2004, 04:53 PM
that change came in after the unmentionable one saga :doh:

I would like that time to be extended to 48 hours actually.. I think that's a reasonable amount of time to delete or edit a post if you need to.. 12 hours doesn't give you enough time sometimes....

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 04:56 PM
I would like that time to be extended to 48 hours actually.. I think that's a reasonable amount of time to delete or edit a post if you need to.. 12 hours doesn't give you enough time sometimes....
I agree with this. Jenni (as u are reading this thread) can you ask Karths to change the time allowed to 24 or 48 hours. This way you get a chance to sleep on a post you made. A poster might realise the next day that they were being a bit harsh or learnt new facts.

WhiteElephant
17-12-2004, 06:10 PM
I don't understand why there is a facility to edit posts at all. I reckon if you post something, live with it.

It's like asking for a takeback.

Bill Gletsos
17-12-2004, 06:25 PM
I don't understand why there is a facility to edit posts at all. I reckon if you post something, live with it.

It's like asking for a takeback.
In most cases its a useful feature to correct spelling mistakes or grammatical errors.

In other cases you may want to add to the post rather than make a new post.

Or you may be relaying a game where you need to constantly update it.

jenni
17-12-2004, 06:25 PM
I don't understand why there is a facility to edit posts at all. I reckon if you post something, live with it.

It's like asking for a takeback.

Well most people use it to correct spelling and grammar. However sometimes you do say something you regret about 2 minutes later and I think it is reasonable to amend/delete.

I will ask Karthick about the time extension.

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 06:25 PM
I don't understand why there is a facility to edit posts at all. I reckon if you post something, live with it.

It's like asking for a takeback.
there is an edit facility so you can correct typos etc or missed quote marks after you have seen the finished copy displayed and it aint against the rules ;)

jenni
17-12-2004, 10:18 PM
Congratulations to the whole team. The Song siblings had strong performance. Ray couldn't quite recover from his unfortunate first round pairing, but still a good =5th finish and Angela of course in outright second. Ben Lazarus also finished strongly.



SNo Name FED Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Pts. Rk.
11 Huang Justin AUS 2060 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 ½ ½ 5.0 16 Open U14
25 Guo Yuthok Sherab AUS 0 1 0 ½ 0 1 1 0 ½ ½ 4.5 19 Open U14
27 Lazarus Ben AUS 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 ½ 1 5.5 11 Open U14
48 Wu Edwin AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 4.5 29 Open U12
49 Xu William AUS 0 1 ½ 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 4.5 27 Open U12
5 Song Raymond AUS 2002 0 1 ½ 1 1 1 ½ 1 0 6.0 7 Open U10
30 Soltysik Sebastian AUS 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 ½ 0 0 2.5 38 Open U8
6 Song Angela AUS 1838 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 0 ½ 1 7.0 2 Girls U12
33 Soltysik Adelaide AUS 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 ½ 4.5 20 Girls U12
11 Guo Emma AUS 0 ½ 0 0 1 0 1 1 ½ 0 4.0 17 Girls U10

pax
17-12-2004, 11:08 PM
Congratulations to the whole team. The Song siblings had strong performance. Ray couldn't quite recover from his unfortunate first round pairing, but still a good =5th finish and Angela of course in outright second. Ben Lazarus also finished strongly.

I agree with you, a very good performance from the team. I suspect it was the loss that Ray wasn't able to recover from rather than the pairing ;) (also I think it was =6th)

pax
17-12-2004, 11:20 PM
It's quite astonishing to see the number of strong juniors coming out of India.

Of the younger Australian juniors, Ray stands out as the player with the greatest potential to become a GM one day. Look at the Indian team from these Asian Championships and you see twenty or thirty players with such potential. And how much of an advantage will they have to have such competition locally.

Garvinator
17-12-2004, 11:39 PM
It's quite astonishing to see the number of strong juniors coming out of India.

Of the younger Australian juniors, Ray stands out as the player with the greatest potential to become a GM one day. Look at the Indian team from these Asian Championships and you see twenty or thirty players with such potential. And how much of an advantage will they have to have such competition locally.
my personal thoughts are that if Ray wants to become a strong GM and is able to financially etc he needs to leave Australia soon and move to europe.

PHAT
18-12-2004, 06:41 AM
It's quite astonishing to see the number of strong juniors coming out of India.

I am not supprised at all. When Anand was awarded India's "Sportsman of the Year", there were going to be an awfull lot of kids in a country with >billion people, who would take notice, and give chess a go.

What is the chance of one day seeing/getting Raymond Song the "Australian Sportsman of the Year Award."

Garvinator
18-12-2004, 10:25 AM
What is the chance of one day seeing/getting Raymond Song the "Australian Sportsman of the Year Award."
none and so far he shouldnt be awarded it.

jenni
18-12-2004, 12:13 PM
my personal thoughts are that if Ray wants to become a strong GM and is able to financially etc he needs to leave Australia soon and move to europe.
This of course is why Australia falls behind as the kids get older. What parent who actually cares about their kids is going to

a abandon the other sibling and parent
b take a child away from their future career options to become a professional chess player at the age of 10, mixing in a predominantly adult environment,

All credit to the Songs that they have thus far managed to allow their children opportunities to become very strong chess players, while still having a balanced life and time to be strong swimmers and excel at school.

Ray has such a passion for chess that then he is older he might turn away from a conventional career to chess, but that choice needs to be made by him when he is old enough to understand the choice he is making, not by a parent.

What we should rather be doing is looking at how we can strengthen the Australian environment.

jenni
18-12-2004, 12:23 PM
I agree with you, a very good performance from the team. I suspect it was the loss that Ray wasn't able to recover from rather than the pairing ;) (also I think it was =6th)

Yes - you are right =6th!

Well yes obviously it was the loss that gave Ray a shaky start, but the pairing was definitely unlucky vs some of the ones his rivals got. e.g. the guy who came =1st played someone who ended up on 5 points, the other guy played someone who ended up on 3 points. Ray's guy was coming 1st at one point and ended up on 6 points.

Playing someone in the 1st round who is that strong is tough and also you have no bulletins or games for preparation, whereas they would have had heaps of games on Ray. Later on in the tournament other kids would have had the benefit of being able to prepare against the kid and also have known his strength.

Not only did Ray get a loss, but it would have shaken him and made him less confident in his next few games, possibly leading to the draw in round 3.

Anyway I am sure half the kids in Australia would be happy with an =6th in the Asian Juniors. :) Also there is always a bit of luck needed to win a tournament.

jenni
18-12-2004, 05:40 PM
I agree with this. Jenni (as u are reading this thread) can you ask Karths to change the time allowed to 24 or 48 hours. This way you get a chance to sleep on a post you made. A poster might realise the next day that they were being a bit harsh or learnt new facts.

Raised this with Karthick and other mods, but they want to stick with 12 hours.