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Ian Murray
17-04-2016, 07:52 AM
Q&A: A Canadian evangelical confronts U.S. climate politics (http://midwestenergynews.com/2016/04/15/qa-a-canadian-evangelical-confronts-u-s-climate-politics/)
Midwest Energy News
15.4.16

Growing up in Canada, Katharine Hayhoe never knew climate change was controversial. It was not until she enrolled as a graduate student at the University of Illinois’ Urbana-Champaign campus that she encountered doubters—who, in America, turned out to be the bulk of her fellow evangelical Christians.

Today, the director of Texas Tech University’s Climate Science Center spends a lot of time trying to convince conservative Christians that climate change is real, human-influenced and a global crisis—and that it is their duty as members of the faith to act....

Capablanca-Fan
22-04-2016, 02:07 AM
Q&A: A Canadian evangelical confronts U.S. climate politics (http://midwestenergynews.com/2016/04/15/qa-a-canadian-evangelical-confronts-u-s-climate-politics/)
Midwest Energy News
15.4.16

Growing up in Canada, Katharine Hayhoe never knew climate change was controversial. It was not until she enrolled as a graduate student at the University of Illinois’ Urbana-Champaign campus that she encountered doubters—who, in America, turned out to be the bulk of her fellow evangelical Christians.

Today, the director of Texas Tech University’s Climate Science Center spends a lot of time trying to convince conservative Christians that climate change is real, human-influenced and a global crisis—and that it is their duty as members of the faith to act....

Strangely enough, her husband's church seems to be genuinely evangelical to some extent, although not biblical creationist. From what I can see, most of her "evidence" is the discredited hockey stick. I also how genuine this is (http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/inquiring-minds-katharine-hayhoe-faith-climate):


Indeed, many conservatives don't buy into climate science because they don't like the "Big Government" solutions they suspect the problem entails. But Hayhoe has an answer ready for that one too: Conservative-friendly, market-driven solutions to climate problems are actually all around us. "A couple of weeks ago, Texas…smashed the record for the most wind energy ever produced. It was 38 percent of our energy that week, came from wind," she says. And Hayhoe thinks that's just the beginning: "If you look at the map of where the greatest potential is for wind energy, it's right up the red states. And I think that is going to make a big difference in the future."

If that can be done without government subsidies, then fine. No problem with genuinely free market solutions to problems, whether the problems are real or not.

Desmond
22-04-2016, 07:06 AM
From what I can see, most of her "evidence" is the discredited hockey stick. The hockey stick is not discredited at all, but confirmed by numerous other studies.

Ian Murray
25-04-2016, 09:10 PM
The hockey stick is not discredited at all, but confirmed by numerous other studies.

And the attacks on Mann's work have been discredited - http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2005/ammann.shtml

Kaitlin
08-04-2017, 11:40 PM
From ABC Science News:

" Professor (Brian) Cox says one view is that it can be counterproductive to try to argue with people who disregard the scientific consensus.

"You essentially elevate them to a level they should not be at. You present to the public the impression that there is a legitimate debate to be had," he says. "

full article http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-02/brian-cox-on-malcolm-roberts-donald-trump-and-space-travel/8406188

Desmond
09-04-2017, 11:14 AM
From ABC Science News:

" Professor (Brian) Cox says one view is that it can be counterproductive to try to argue with people who disregard the scientific consensus.

"You essentially elevate them to a level they should not be at. You present to the public the impression that there is a legitimate debate to be had," he says. "

full article http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-02/brian-cox-on-malcolm-roberts-donald-trump-and-space-travel/8406188

As has been said before, they are not in need of a debate, but rather an education.

Capablanca-Fan
10-04-2017, 06:28 AM
As has been said before, they are not in need of a debate, but rather an education.

Education by whom? People unqualified in science like alGore, Malcolm TalkBull, Leonardo Di Caprio; or even by Cox who is an atheopathic physicist not a meteorologist.

Desmond
10-04-2017, 07:04 AM
Education by whom? People unqualified in science like alGore, Malcolm TalkBull, Leonardo Di Caprio; or even by Cox who is an atheopathic physicist not a meteorologist.

Think it's taught in primary school these days.

Rincewind
10-04-2017, 11:10 AM
"We're talking about blustering people, people who are overconfident and have no humility, who don't think. That's the sort of person who says 'I know better than these people who study these things'. It's nonsensical." - Prof Brian Cox

Sounds like the author of post #7.

Patrick Byrom
10-04-2017, 01:50 PM
Education by whom? People unqualified in science like alGore, Malcolm TalkBull, Leonardo Di Caprio; or even by Cox who is an atheopathic physicist not a meteorologist.Meteorology is the study of the weather, of course, not the climate. And Cox would undoubtedly have studied climate science as part of his degree. He probably did post-graduate work as well, as astronomy includes the study of planetary atmospheres.

Capablanca-Fan
10-04-2017, 10:58 PM
"We're talking about blustering people, people who are overconfident and have no humility, who don't think. That's the sort of person who says 'I know better than these people who study these things'. It's nonsensical." - Prof Brian Cox

Sounds like someone else with that surname :P

Rincewind
11-04-2017, 09:54 AM
Sounds like someone else with that surname :P

Shall we go through your publications and see what percentage pertains to spectroscopy? You can do the same with my publications and mathematics.

Capablanca-Fan
11-04-2017, 10:22 AM
Meteorology is the study of the weather, of course, not the climate. And Cox would undoubtedly have studied climate science as part of his degree. He probably did post-graduate work as well, as astronomy includes the study of planetary atmospheres.

His specialty was particle physics. Why "undoubtedly" climate science as part of a physics degree? It wasn't at my university.

Capablanca-Fan
11-04-2017, 10:35 AM
Shall we go through your publications and see what percentage pertains to spectroscopy? You can do the same with my publications and mathematics.

Go through my books as well. I just hope your knowledge of climatology is better than your knowledge of medieval history, although that's not a high bar. I also know of no climatology qualifications of the other Cox.

Rincewind
11-04-2017, 11:24 AM
Go through my books as well. I just hope your knowledge of climatology is better than your knowledge of medieval history, although that's not a high bar. I also know of no climatology qualifications of the other Cox.

I was thinking primarily the books after all they are the ones which bluster against the weight of overwhelming scientific consensus.