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george
06-12-2004, 02:46 PM
Hi ALL,

I have been here for about nine days and I can honestly say the people and the place here offer a very rare tranquility. This place should assist the production of high quality chess!

Please come and enjoy an unforgetable experience and kick some chess goals into the bargain.

Kindest Regards
George

Kevin Bonham
21-12-2004, 10:23 PM
Have to say the place looks great for bushwalking for those interested in such things. I was able to pick up a 1:25 000 map of Buller down here yesterday and there are walking tracks and firetrails going off every which way for basically as far as you like. Looking forward to exploring the place as much as I'm looking forward to the chess. Don't expect to be seeing me in the rapidplay this time. *runs away*

Garvinator
21-12-2004, 10:25 PM
Don't expect to be seeing me in the rapidplay this time. *runs away*
just checking, you are aware that the rapidplay is on the 1st :)

JGB
21-12-2004, 10:42 PM
Have to say the place looks great for bushwalking for those interested in such things. I was able to pick up a 1:25 000 map of Buller down here yesterday and there are walking tracks and firetrails going off every which way for basically as far as you like. Looking forward to exploring the place as much as I'm looking forward to the chess. Don't expect to be seeing me in the rapidplay this time. *runs away*

Yeah, its a wonderful place for hiking. We spent a lot of time around Mt Buller years ago, day trips and overnight camping out. Heaps of exploring possible, and its such a big park, away from the cities it should be pretty empty, always a big plus for the bushwalker.

mini hint: take a good legionairs hat with you, although daily high temperatures are around 25 grad (I think) in summer, the UV strength is a strong as anywhere and you don't realise until later in the evening. Could really spoil a good chess tournament and vacation.

Libby
22-12-2004, 08:19 AM
Have to say the place looks great for bushwalking for those interested in such things. I was able to pick up a 1:25 000 map of Buller down here yesterday and there are walking tracks and firetrails going off every which way for basically as far as you like. Looking forward to exploring the place as much as I'm looking forward to the chess. Don't expect to be seeing me in the rapidplay this time. *runs away*

For info - from my Mt Buller booklet again. Also, it seems to be a great place for mountain biking too (still to finish that page) with opportunities for the casual weekend "pedaller" to serious "extreme" enthusiasts. You can hire bikes up there.

Mt. Buller offers a variety of hiking experiences for all ages and levels of fitness. Maps for the walking tracks are available from the Mt Buller Resort Management Office (the Post Office, map reference 118, O 10). Here’s a little preview to tempt your walking feet!

The Village Circuit (EASY 3.12 km/1.5 hrs) and The Canyon (ADVANCED 300m/30mins) - This easy walk, over gently undulating terrain is a great way to orientate yourself with the Mt Buller Village. Offering fantastic views of Mt Stirling and the ranges to the south and east, the Village Circuit allows you to walk amidst grevilleas and snow gums. Incorporates a series of exercise
stations for the fitness fanatics!

Along the Village Circuit you will find the short, but challenging Canyon walk. Perfect for those with a sense of adventure, the Canyon offers grand views and has its own private water stream.

The Summit Nature Walk (EASY to INTERMEDIATE 3.6km return/1.5-2hrs) A chance to enjoy the views and enjoy the flora and fauna of the high country.

The Klingsporn Bridle Track (INTERMEDIATE 8.65km/3hrs one-way, down so you might want to be collected at the bottom!) Established by cattlemen in the early 1900s to bring stock up to graze in the lush alpine grasslands, the historic Klingsporn Bridle Track will take you from the top of Mt Buller down to the park at Mirimbah - beyond the resort boundaries. The narrow single
track descends through scenic meadows, quiet woodlands and majestic forests. It is recommended to undertake the walk one-way from the top.

Mt Stirling via Corn Hill and Howqua Gap (INTERMEDIATE 16.4 kms via Corn Hill or 20.4 kms via the Quarry/5-7hrs return) Venture beyond the resort boundaries to Corn Hill and Mt Stirling, walking along a combination of 4WD tracks and walking trails. One of the longer trails around Mt Buller, this walk has a number of picnic locations along the way, a majestic Alpine Ash forest
to be explored and fantastic views back to the picturesque Mt Buller Resort.

There are many more walks to enjoy around the Village. All are clearly signposted with markers placed periodically on longer or more difficult trails to confirm you are on the right track. Both the Resort Management Office and LaTrobe offer GUIDED WALKS to groups and you may wish to investigate this option to get the most from your experience.

No matter what the walk ALWAYS adhere to the HIKERS CODE OF CONDUCT -
Prevent erosion and trail damage - stay on the trail whenever possible.
Leave no trace - carry out all garbage and litter. Fires are not permitted.
Keep the wilderness wild - cutting new tracks is illegal and marking tracks is unsightly.

Respect native flora & fauna - do not disturb, handle or provoke wildlife. Never pick flowers or collect any other parts of trees or plants.

Practice good hygeine - ensure you are at least 50 metres from waterbodies when going to the toilet.

Garvinator
22-12-2004, 09:15 AM
perhaps there could be some organised activites for interested parties during the rest days :D

Kevin Bonham
22-12-2004, 11:20 AM
just checking, you are aware that the rapidplay is on the 1st :)

Doesn't affect me; I don't think I'll be partying like an idiot on NYE.

I guess it's just a question of how far I should walk in one day when I have a game the next day.

Probably go for walks in the mornings before games too but have to be careful not to do too much; made that mistake before.

ursogr8
24-12-2004, 08:47 AM
Hi ALL,

I have been here for about nine days and I can honestly say the people and the place here offer a very rare tranquility. This place should assist the production of high quality chess!

Please come and enjoy an unforgetable experience and kick some chess goals into the bargain.

Kindest Regards
George

My best wishes to all Mt B participants and onlookers. Have a good tourney.

starter

Garvinator
27-12-2004, 03:02 PM
Hello everyone,

It has been snowing on and off during today. If the snow keeps up tonight, then the mountain will look amazing tomorrow for the start of the Lidums Australian Open :D

WhiteElephant
27-12-2004, 03:12 PM
Hello everyone,

It has been snowing on and off during today. If the snow keeps up tonight, then the mountain will look amazing tomorrow for the start of the Lidums Australian Open :D

Sounds awesome.

Is there any chance you could put some photos of the participants or the beautiful scenery up on the website? Or if not, perhaps even here on the forum. So that those of us not going can at least enjoy the experience vicariously from our lounge rooms. Thanks.

W.E.

jenni
27-12-2004, 03:25 PM
Hello everyone,

It has been snowing on and off during today. If the snow keeps up tonight, then the mountain will look amazing tomorrow for the start of the Lidums Australian Open :D

EEK - I don't think Shannon has too much in the way of warm clothing!!

jenni
27-12-2004, 03:38 PM
Could someone remind me why we are going here for our summer holidays?

WhiteElephant
27-12-2004, 04:07 PM
Could someone remind me why we are going here for our summer holidays?

Heh no chance of a tan then? :)

Rincewind
27-12-2004, 04:23 PM
Could someone remind me why we are going here for our summer holidays?

You know what they say? There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing. ;)

jenni
27-12-2004, 05:36 PM
Just had an SMS from Shannon - its snowing, she's cold and feels that Mt Buller should need a passport to visit.....

ursogr8
27-12-2004, 08:07 PM
You know what they say? There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing. ;)

hi Baz

Down here (in Melbourne) 'THEY" say no such thing.
When it hails during the Test Match they say, bugger.
No clothing is correct for cricket in the hail.


starter

jenni
27-12-2004, 08:24 PM
Poor Shannon is having an awful time. She went down to try and get some dinner, but was told the cafe was closed and the restaurant full. They told her to try the Arlberg (a fair walk uphill from the Mercure). It is still snowing and she has no coat and only flimsy clothes. She made it up to the Arlberg, but they had closed their restaurant early, because they had too many people as well.

After she phoned me, I told her to go and talk to the Mercure staff again - they have come to her rescue - she is ordering from room service and collecting the food, so they won't charge her room service rates (a Uni student's money only goes so far!).

She is very cold, miserable and lonely, so hopefully tomorrow will be better.

Rincewind
27-12-2004, 09:25 PM
Down here (in Melbourne) 'THEY" say no such thing.
When it hails during the Test Match they say, bugger.
No clothing is correct for cricket in the hail.

MacIntosh and Helmet. :)

jenni
27-12-2004, 10:30 PM
Is anyone from Canberra (or passing through Canberra) going to the Rapid on the 1st? Denis Jessop is going to take some warm clothes up on the 4th for Shannon, but if there is anyone who can take some clothes (a small quantity!) before that, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Duff McKagan
27-12-2004, 11:05 PM
Is anyone from Canberra (or passing through Canberra) going to the Rapid on the 1st? Denis Jessop is going to take some warm clothes up on the 4th for Shannon, but if there is anyone who can take some clothes (a small quantity!) before that, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Here's hoping she has a big wardrobe to put all the warm clothes from the next group of travellers :)

Trent Parker
27-12-2004, 11:06 PM
Is anyone from Canberra (or passing through Canberra) going to the Rapid on the 1st? Denis Jessop is going to take some warm clothes up on the 4th for Shannon, but if there is anyone who can take some clothes (a small quantity!) before that, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Hmm We'll be burning along the Hume HWy on the first. We're going for the minor. I dont think the drivers would like to detour via canberra but i'm sure they wouldnt mind if we were to meet on the Hume. But that might be a fair drive for you........

Trent Parker
27-12-2004, 11:09 PM
*makes mental note to take warm clothing

auriga
28-12-2004, 07:07 AM
according to the weather stats at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW3054.latest.shtml
the max temp was 22.

Don_Harrison
28-12-2004, 07:22 AM
It may have been 22 degrees on the 23rd December but it was 2.9 degrees at 9 am yesterday and 0.4 degrees at 3 pm - wind chill would it made it even cooler. And the snow cam near the ABOM chair lift (yes near where the event is to be held) shows that it is and has been snowing. Warm clothing equals parkas, gloves, beanies and thick socks - and a bottle of rum: Yo Ho Ho.

arosar
28-12-2004, 07:55 AM
Hello boys and girls!!

Youse all should get some of your money back for false advertising. Beautiful . . . your butts beautiful. This is really an AWFUL tournament in a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE venue.

Thus, to answer the question: it is not repeatable.

AR

Paul S
28-12-2004, 08:54 AM
according to the weather stats at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW3054.latest.shtml
the max temp was 22.

Have just had a look at www.ski.com.au/snowcams/buller1.html and at present (and for the last few hours) the temp at Mt Buller is -2 deg C.

Sounds like young Shannon needs some warm clothes NOW (and not in a few days time)!

Still, it should look nice for the start of the Open, with all the snow over the last few hours.

jenni
28-12-2004, 10:31 AM
Hmm We'll be burning along the Hume HWy on the first. We're going for the minor. I dont think the drivers would like to detour via canberra but i'm sure they wouldnt mind if we were to meet on the Hume. But that might be a fair drive for you........

We're quite happy to drive to the Hume and hand over some clothing. (Well at least I am, my driver is muttering about she will learn to check weather forecasts in the future....).

I will send you a pm and maybe you can check with your drivers.

jenni
28-12-2004, 10:38 AM
according to the weather stats at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW3054.latest.shtml
the max temp was 22.
The temperature bounces all over the place. Because it is so high up, the sun or absence of it, makes a huge difference. When I was up there in Dec for the schools, I went from a winter tracksuit one day to summer dresses the next.

jenni
28-12-2004, 10:46 AM
Of course Shannon's experience last night shows why Juniors and their families have turned their backs on the Mercure and gone for lodges and apartments.

When you have a family you need a kitchen. You do not want to be dependent on the vagaries of hotels in order to feed young children (or even 18 yr olds). You want a big fridge with lots of stuff in it, not a mini-bar stuffed with alcohol.

Kids tend to eat at random times. If they get sick (and you always have a lot getting sick at the juniors, because any bug spreads like wildfire), you want to be able to feed them when they wake up. You don't want to be forever looking at your watch and stressing about having missed breakfast or too late for dinner, or always walking the mountain finding some food, or eating expensive room service.

jenni
28-12-2004, 10:50 AM
Hello boys and girls!!

Youse all should get some of your money back for false advertising. Beautiful . . . your butts beautiful. This is really an AWFUL tournament in a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE venue.

Thus, to answer the question: it is not repeatable.

AR

Well it could be quite fun - sitting around a fire with some mulled wine. Libby's wonderful booklet (and Juniors and junior parents - it is a work of art and a definite must for anyone at the juniors!), contains a recipe for mulled wine.

However right at the moment, I am in lioness mode, with a wounded cub and ready to consign Mt Buller and all its works to the pits of hell.

jenni
28-12-2004, 12:05 PM
Todays report from Shannon

.... George Xie has only brought T-shirts and shorts

..... She found Tomek and Alex wandering around saying "but there must be somewere to eat"

... the only automatic teller she could find is out of order. She has already lent half her money to Sherab, so I think she is only going to be able to eat by charging it to the room (good way to get Mum to pay)

.... on the bright side, it is a little warmer today

Don_Harrison
28-12-2004, 01:17 PM
Warmer? I'm afraid not. At 1:00 pm it was 0 degrees and the wind was 12 knts. This results in a wind chill factor of -10.6 degrees. Yes, you did read that correctly minus 10.6 degrees.

No warm clothes, nothing to eat and no money! hehe. Life's grand aint it?

auriga
28-12-2004, 01:49 PM
anybody know if the live thing going on today?!
eg. http://www.mtbullerchess.com/live/tfd.htm
just wondering.

Trent Parker
28-12-2004, 01:57 PM
Todays report from Shannon

.... George Xie has only brought T-shirts and shorts

..... She found Tomek and Alex wandering around saying "but there must be somewere to eat"

... the only automatic teller she could find is out of order. She has already lent half her money to Sherab, so I think she is only going to be able to eat by charging it to the room (good way to get Mum to pay)

.... on the bright side, it is a little warmer today

<< makes mental note to take warm clothes and withdraw money before getting to MT B.... :D

WhiteElephant
28-12-2004, 02:01 PM
<< makes mental note to take warm clothes and withdraw money before getting to MT B.... :D

Bring some loaves of bread along and sell them on the mountain for $10 each.

Libby
28-12-2004, 02:12 PM
Bring some loaves of bread along and sell them on the mountain for $10 each.

You can actually buy bread up there - only :rolleyes: $4 a loaf from the Arlberg.

Paul S
28-12-2004, 02:20 PM
Todays report from Shannon

.... George Xie has only brought T-shirts and shorts

..... She found Tomek and Alex wandering around saying "but there must be somewere to eat"

... the only automatic teller she could find is out of order. She has already lent half her money to Sherab, so I think she is only going to be able to eat by charging it to the room (good way to get Mum to pay)

.... on the bright side, it is a little warmer today

:hmm: Looks like the daily shuttle bus for the "short" (48km) distance to Mansfield will be in big demand! :P Hopefully the shops in Mansfield have lots of warm clothes in stock (and the players have brought lots of money with them)! :doh:

Anyway, I hope for everyone's sake that things (ie once the chess starts) get better at Mt Buller! Otherwise Arosar (Amiel) will literally have a field day on this forum!

BTW, is there a GP and Chemist at Mt Buller? If what Jenni says about the temperature fluctuations from day to day are correct (and I have no doubt they are), there could be lots of colds (requiring pennicillin, Vibramyacin etc) going around!

jenni
28-12-2004, 02:27 PM
BTW, is there a GP and Chemist at Mt Buller? If what Jenni says about the temperature fluctuations from day to day are correct (and I have no doubt they are), there could be lots of colds (requiring pennicillin, Vibramyacin etc) going around!

er no! Not in summer. Winter has a full medical clinic and St John's first aid centre, but it is closed. Arlberg Mini-mart sells panadol, but anything else means a trip to Mansfield.

Shannon does have a medical kit with her. I should have concentrated more on clothing and less on dettol, bandaids, stingose etc :lol:

WhiteElephant
28-12-2004, 02:35 PM
Does anyone know if there is any public internet access at Buller? I doubt there would be any Internet Cafes but what about the hotels - do any provide access and is there a charge? Thanks.

W.E.

Libby
28-12-2004, 02:44 PM
:hmm: Looks like the daily shuttle bus for the "short" (48km) distance to Mansfield will be in big demand! :P Hopefully the shops in Mansfield have lots of warm clothes in stock (and the players have brought lots of money with them)! :doh:

BTW, is there a GP and Chemist at Mt Buller? If what Jenni says about the temperature fluctuations from day to day are correct (and I have no doubt they are), there could be lots of colds (requiring pennicillin, Vibramyacin etc) going around!

Daily shuttle? Maybe for the open. The Juniors are getting a shuttle on 3 days only and it seats 22 people.

I know a lot of ACT people were planning to use it so there may be more botting lifts off people with a car than trips on the free shuttle.

And the Juniors remember, are there in the projected, or better than projected numbers. 160+ players who are substantially there with accompanying parents, siblings, coaches etc.

From my Mt Buller Booklet contacts in Mansfield for

Doctor (03) 5777 6185 or (03) 5775 2111
Ambulance 000 or 133 009
Chemist (03) 5775 1311

Paul S
28-12-2004, 03:57 PM
For the sake of all those at Mt Buller, I hope things improve with both the organising and the weather!!! At least the chess has now started (and based on my past experience with Charles Zworestine, at least the "chess part" of the tournament should be fine)!

Anyway, weather in Sydney has been quite pleasant during the last 4 days - mostly fine (but with a little rain) and temperatures generally ranging from 15 deg C (night) to 25 deg C (day). Certainly weatherwise I'm glad I am in Sydney rather than at Mt Buller (BTW, I had no idea it could get to -2 deg C in Summer there!).

Libby, I may be well have been wrong about the daily Mt Buller to/from Mansfield shuttle bus during the Open - I had assumed there was/is a daily service based on something I had read (or misread!).

I don't really want to "rub salt into the wound", but it appears that some of the things I (and others) had been led to believe about Mt Buller do not appear to be the case. Anyway, I guess once the Open and Juniors is over, we will see what those participants (and in the case of Juniors their parents) have to say.........................should make for interesting reading on this bulletin board......................

Libby
28-12-2004, 04:34 PM
Libby, I may be well have been wrong about the daily Mt Buller to/from Mansfield shuttle bus during the Open - I had assumed there was/is a daily service based on something I had read (or misread!).

Yes - there was a daily shuttle promised but even I thought that might be a little excessive and perhaps an unneccesary cost to organisers. I suggested every second day and Peter Richardson (from the Mercure) sent me an email in late Nov/early Dec which said an every second day shuttle had been arranged by the chess organisers. (I had been a pest and asked him what he knew about the shuttle arrangements because nobody from the committee would answer my questions about it! :wall: )

More recently, when I pressed for details on when/how etc - Garvin posted the three dates only for the Juniors.

Maybe it will be enough - who knows? What I do know is we organised a bus from Canberra bringing 24 players & family members. Those people considered their best transport options and opted for the bus option back when they understood they would have a daily, or alternate daily, shuttle to Mansfield if they needed it. Fortunately we have another group of players & parents driving down or sharing the drive down, and no doubt they can help with trips to Mansfield.

I know you wouldn't normally expect free shuttle buses to get you around at a chess tournament but you wouldn't normally be expected to play in a location without a shop!

As I said, the juniors have the numbers there and yet the services promised were reduced anyway. Something I could certainly understand if the shuttle was poorly patronised in it's first couple of outings, but it is difficult to swallow before we even get started.

Don_Harrison
28-12-2004, 04:35 PM
At 4:30 pm the air temperature was 1.1 degrees and the wind from the South at 15 knts. Wind chill factor as a result is -11.2 degrees. I would hazard a guess that as a result it is a touch on the cool side at Mount Buller! Been caught out up there one before. Never again.

By the way, is that bloody car a permanent fixture or is it a lost skiers who was never found?

Libby
28-12-2004, 04:41 PM
At 4:30 pm the air temperature was 1.1 degrees and the wind from the South at 15 knts. Wind chill factor as a result is -11.2 degrees. I would hazard a guess that as a result it is a touch on the cool side at Mount Buller! Been caught out up there one before. Never again.

By the way, is that bloody car a permanent fixture or is it a lost skiers who was never found?

I think it gives off the illusion of people being present - never actually spotted a living thing on any of the webcams. Maybe we should encourage those in Mt Buller to stand within shot - could get some interesting pictures if the right mood takes them. Probably no streakers if it's -11.2, except the very self-assured variety. :D

jenni
28-12-2004, 04:43 PM
By the way, is that bloody car a permanent fixture or is it a lost skiers who was never found?

Don't know!! I have wondered that myself, as the car has been there for months.

arosar
28-12-2004, 05:09 PM
This is really awful! Just horrible. All those poor people, especially the vulnerable kids suffering from exposure. Will the parents be organising the biggest air drop of winter supplies since . . . since . . .well since the biggest joke that was the Mt Nowhere Aus Open tournament? Just say and charge it out to the organisers.

Beautiful Mt Buller! Ha...beautiful! What a joke!

AR

Rincewind
28-12-2004, 05:23 PM
This is really awful! Just horrible. All those poor people, especially the vulnerable kids suffering from exposure. Will the parents be organising the biggest air drop of winter supplies since . . . since . . .well since the biggest joke that was the Mt Nowhere Aus Open tournament? Just say and charge it out to the organisers.

Beautiful Mt Buller! Ha...beautiful! What a joke!

The only joke is you, Amiel. Suggesting the organisers are to blame for the turn in the weather and lack of forethought by some competitors. Pull yer head in, mate.

arosar
28-12-2004, 05:27 PM
Suggesting the organisers are to blame for the turn in the weather and lack of forethought by some competitors. Pull yer head in, mate.

Nah mate, nah...you're the joke for I made no such suggestion. That's the problem when your overeducated, you think too much and get into headspins.

Get this, they overpromised, communicated poorly and badly planned. For if they had done all those things right, then we wouldn't have people freezin' their butts off.

Now go away and don't think too hard.

AR

Trent Parker
28-12-2004, 05:30 PM
^^^^

:clap: :clap: :clap: good one Bazza!

Hey arosar, there is a difference between beautiful and freezing.

Rincewind
28-12-2004, 05:31 PM
Get this, they overpromised, communicated poorly and badly planned. For if they had done all those things right, then we wouldn't have people freezin' their butts off.

Travelling to alpine areas you have to be prepared any sort of weather. So I think you need to back your claims with some evidence. Without it your just unnecessarily displacing air that should have be left where it was.

arosar
28-12-2004, 05:31 PM
Hey arosar, there is a difference between beautiful and freezing.

Uumm....yeah? And?

AR

Don_Harrison
28-12-2004, 05:47 PM
You just have to like these guys. Start off as the best of enemies and end up the worst of friends. In fact, they get on like a house on fire in that the relationship burns down to the ground and finishes in the cellar!

Anyway there is nothing wrong with the venue being at Mount Buller that a little climate change, a few shops, medical and transport facilities and some fast food resturants couldn't fix.

jenni
28-12-2004, 06:00 PM
The only joke is you, Amiel. Suggesting the organisers are to blame for the turn in the weather and lack of forethought by some competitors. Pull yer head in, mate.

Well the lack of clothes is definitely the competitors' fault. Tamzin and Gareth are being very irritatingly smug at the moment and making comments like "we told her it was cold".

However the food is another issue. We've been led to believe that anyone staying at the Mercure would be looked after, while people staying at the lodges/apartments would be second class citizens and take their chances. I've lost track of how many e-mails I've had from George emphasising how wonderful life will be for Mercurees.

One of the main reasons I booked Shannon into the Mercure, was because I didn't want her wandering around at night on her own, looking for food.

The least the hotel could have done, before sending a young girl on a 1/2 hour trek through the snow, was to have phoned the Arlberg and made sure she could get dinner there. This is supposed to be a 4.5 star hotel, with certain service standards.

While the problems with the hotel are not the organisers fault, the two bodies are so closely tied together, it is hard to divorce responsibility.

Libby
28-12-2004, 06:20 PM
The only joke is you, Amiel. Suggesting the organisers are to blame for the turn in the weather and lack of forethought by some competitors. Pull yer head in, mate.

Outside of this forum, I don't know how much effort has been put in to inform people about Mt Buller. I guess it doesn't really sell the event to say -

Really, Really Cold (for Summer) on many days and about 16 degrees on a good day

No shop

Very few places to eat and most are restaurant, rather than Macca's, prices (and some only open late in the week or on weekends)

etc etc

I have wondered about the self-sufficiency of chessplayers who moaned about the cost of the Mercure and couldn't find a website like www.mtbuller.com.au to explore other options but this is an unusual location for a chess event. Many non-Victorians don't know what it is and even trying to explain to the non-Victorians using comparisons like "Thredbo" only works if people ski, or have been to the Alps in summer.

More info in the booklets and on the website would have been good. Then you could blame the player's themselves for failing to read what was put in front of them. Otherwise there is, at the very least, shared responsibility.

I have an info booklet for the Juniors. It's 20 pages about facilities, activities, temperatures, shopping etc. It's been created in Publisher. If anyone wants a copy I can email it to you (sorry -it's big and I usually send it in 6 sections) or even snail-mail a version. Drop me a PM.

And it's completely UNOFFICIAL so any shortcomings should not reflect adversely on the organisers.

Libby

Rincewind
28-12-2004, 06:50 PM
The least the hotel could have done, before sending a young girl on a 1/2 hour trek through the snow, was to have phoned the Arlberg and made sure she could get dinner there. This is supposed to be a 4.5 star hotel, with certain service standards.

While the problems with the hotel are not the organisers fault, the two bodies are so closely tied together, it is hard to divorce responsibility.

Yes, I would say this was an operational issue and not sure that reasonable organisers would have anticipated it. However, Amiel's post (which I was objecting to) was primarily in regard to the weather, which has been unseasonal and certainly no fault of the organisers. ;)

jenni
28-12-2004, 07:32 PM
Shannon has located the second Mt Buller ATM (at Cow Camp Plaza), and it is operational.

Libby
28-12-2004, 07:37 PM
Shannon has located the second Mt Buller ATM (at Cow Camp Plaza), and it is operational.

But nowhere to buy shoes? What good is money if you can't go shoe-shopping? I know Shannon is a fellow devotee ...

Don_Harrison
28-12-2004, 07:44 PM
Yes, well. She certainly needs to buy shoes - preferably snow ones - so that she can tromp through the slush to get something to eat (somewhere) in order to gain strength to go and purchase warm clothes. Even I can see the logic in that.

PS: Well done on the draw. Wish they had progressive scores on the official web-site but I suppose we will just have to be patient.

Libby
28-12-2004, 07:47 PM
Yes, well. She certainly needs to buy shoes - preferably snow ones - so that she can tromp through the slush to get something to eat (somewhere) in order to gain strength to go and purchase warm clothes. Even I can see the logic in that.

Shoe shoppers are without logic. Shannon, I am sure, would pass over the snow shoes for another pair of lovely sandals to replace those ruined in the trek last night. Sadly, so would I.

jenni
28-12-2004, 07:51 PM
Shoe shoppers are without logic. Shannon, I am sure, would pass over the snow shoes for another pair of lovely sandals to replace those ruined in the trek last night. Sadly, so would I.

Tony made the point that her stilletos would probably be quite good, as they would keep her above the snow.....

Don_Harrison
28-12-2004, 08:42 PM
One of the main reasons I booked Shannon into the Mercure, was because I didn't want her wandering around at night on her own, looking for food.

The least the hotel could have done, before sending a young girl on a 1/2 hour trek through the snow, was to have phoned the Arlberg and made sure she could get dinner there. This is supposed to be a 4.5 star hotel, with certain service standards.

I think I have finally worked out how to include quotes in this darn reply thingy.

ANY organisation, especially one in the hospitality industry, looks out for its clients. They are potentially repeat business. So, yes, the hotel should have organised something for its paying guest, whether she be a young lady or an old gentleman, and not expecting that guest to wander out into a cold dark night to fend for themselves.

And the point should clearly be made to the management of the hotel which should also be made aware that the situation will be/has been reported to the organisers of the chess tournament.

I would not expect the organisers of the tournament to act on behalf of the hotel's guest in this situation but I do believe that they should be made aware of the matter. After all, it is they who are relying on the good will of their constituents to make the tournament an enjoyable one but at the same time also relying upon the sponsors to assist in that aspect.

For the staff of the hotel to act in the manner in which your daughter suggests they did is detrimental to the overall objectives of a sponsor and the organisers of this chess tournament. Difficult enough endeavour without getting participants really, really pissed off!

And that flaming car is still there!! Could somebody move it from one side of the photo frame to the other just to prove it is not a monument of some sort.

jenni
28-12-2004, 10:19 PM
So, yes, the hotel should have organised something for its paying guest, whether she be a young lady or an old gentleman, and not expecting that guest to wander out into a cold dark night to fend for themselves.


agreed



I would not expect the organisers of the tournament to act on behalf of the hotel's guest in this situation but I do believe that they should be made aware of the matter. After all, it is they who are relying on the good will of their constituents to make the tournament an enjoyable one but at the same time also relying upon the sponsors to assist in that aspect.


They read the BB, so no doubt will come across it. I think the Mercure will be even more full for the Juniors, so hopefully the staff will be told that sending guests out into the snow, is not a very PR friendly thing to do. :) I actually found the staff very helpful when I was there for the schools, so just a bit of thoughtlessness by someone. They are probably so used to snow, that they didn't perceive it as bad weather.




For the staff of the hotel to act in the manner in which your daughter suggests they did is detrimental to the overall objectives of a sponsor and the organisers of this chess tournament. Difficult enough endeavour without getting participants really, really pissed off!


Yes - this is the bit the organisers seemed to have missed. Good PR is essential if this is going to be supported in the future. Just telling people they have to support it for the future good of chess is not enough.




And that flaming car is still there!! Could somebody move it from one side of the photo frame to the other just to prove it is not a monument of some sort.

I promise to stand there and wave when I am up for the juniors - just so we can be sure it is a live feed!

Don_Harrison
29-12-2004, 06:52 AM
From today's Melbourne Age. A photograph of Mount Buller yesterday.

Trent Parker
29-12-2004, 09:22 AM
If you have a look at the article it says that it is a freak cold snap and should return to normal in the next couple of days :D

Libby
29-12-2004, 09:29 AM
If you have a look at the article it says that it is a freak cold snap and should return to normal in the next couple of days :D

NORMAL - (From my booklet) so we can all consider ourselves told ...

MT BULLER WEATHER
source - http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_083024.shtml
Average daily maximum temperature for January - 16.3 degrees
Highest recorded January temperature - 27.5 degrees
Average daily minimum temperature for January - 7.8 degrees
Lowest recorded January temperature (minimum) - -3.5 degrees
Average January temperature at 9am - 11.2 degrees
Average daily temperature at 3pm - 14.5 degrees
Average January rainfall - 82.8mm
Average number of rainy days for January - 6.8
Average number of clear days in January - 8.6
Average number of cloudy days in January - 9.4 days
It’s not unheard of to have snow in Mt Buller in Summer and the highest (daily)
rainfall ever recorded is a whopping 101.6mm! Make sure you pack for the fresh
alpine climate!

paulb
29-12-2004, 10:32 AM
Games from round 1 can be seen at http://www.chessnetwork.com/ncn/b/austop05r1.htm

Presumably they'll be on the Mt Buller site too, but I can't see them yet.

cheers - PaulB

Trent Parker
29-12-2004, 10:35 AM
they are available in cb format on the website.

jenni
29-12-2004, 10:53 AM
If you have a look at the article it says that it is a freak cold snap and should return to normal in the next couple of days :D

Weather forecast for the period most interesting to you - probably very dodgy as weather forecasts always are.

Mt Buller

Sat 1st - min 4 Max 24 wind 14km/hr
Sun 2nd - min 2 max 14 wind 14km/hr
Mon 3rd - min 0 Max 15 wind 7 km/hr
Tues 4th - min 2 Max 15 wind 7 km/hr

Now for we Canberrans, that is a return to warm weather, but for others it might still be a touch chilly.

Trent Parker
29-12-2004, 10:59 AM
Very interesting. Thanks jenni

skip to my lou
29-12-2004, 11:11 AM
they are available in cb format on the website.

pgn

ursogr8
29-12-2004, 12:06 PM
And that flaming car is still there!! Could somebody move it from one side of the photo frame to the other just to prove it is not a monument of some sort.


This one (http://www.ski.com.au/snowcams/buller2.html) seems to show folks walking around after each REFRESH.

jenni
29-12-2004, 12:34 PM
This one (http://www.ski.com.au/snowcams/buller2.html) seems to show folks walking around after each REFRESH.

Village square is very near the Mercure - in fact where the cars are parked on the right hand side would be almost at the Mercure.

The tennis courts are between the ABOM and a lot of the lodges (and almost at Heli house where George and others are staying). Would be pretty deserted around there.

Libby
29-12-2004, 02:43 PM
Village square is very near the Mercure - in fact where the cars are parked on the right hand side would be almost at the Mercure.

The tennis courts are between the ABOM and a lot of the lodges (and almost at Heli house where George and others are staying). Would be pretty deserted around there.

I know we've gotten past this topic but this graph gives you a pretty good sense of why people were feeling a bit chilly. Shows the past 24 hours. The bit that stood out for me was seeing a fairly steep acceleration in the graph then realising it was only getting up to 8 degrees at it's highest point. BRRR :eek: http://www.ski.com.au/weather/stations/buller.html

Trent Parker
29-12-2004, 08:34 PM
... the only automatic teller she could find is out of order. She has already lent half her money to Sherab, so I think she is only going to be able to eat by charging it to the room (good way to get Mum to pay)

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I know that another one has been found.... But what is the status on the ATM front? should i take money with me into MTb or should i leave the money in the bank? is the atm going to run out of money or what?????

Garvinator
29-12-2004, 09:54 PM
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I know that another one has been found.... But what is the status on the ATM front? should i take money with me into MTb or should i leave the money in the bank? is the atm going to run out of money or what?????
i would advise taking money with you into mtb.

jenni
30-12-2004, 10:24 AM
.

I know that another one has been found.... But what is the status on the ATM front? should i take money with me into MTb or should i leave the money in the bank? is the atm going to run out of money or what?????

There are only 2 ATM's in Mt B, plus a Commonwealth Bank agency at the info centre. The one at Breathtaker Spa had "out of order' on it, which probably means out of money. So all withdrawls are coming from the one at Cow Camp Plaza. I would suspect that the ATM's are not being filled due to all the Christmas and New Year Holidays - perhaps also more people withdrawing than is normal at this time of year. So while I am sure they will be refilled at some point, given Shannon's experience, I wouldn't like to gamble on when that would be.

Also remember to shop in Mansfield on your way through.

Garvinator
30-12-2004, 10:50 AM
tcn,

During the minor, you will not be able to go to mansfield unless you go by car very early or maybe if you have time between rounds (unlikely) from Jan 2 to 5 as you will be starting at 9am and finishing sometime at night. Therefore you would need to pick up your food at mansfield and shop for six days till Jan 6.

Cheers,

Garvin

Garvinator
30-12-2004, 11:43 AM
Lovely day here in mt buller. Nice and fine, 26 degrees. Air smells wonderful (no pollution)

Recherché
30-12-2004, 12:09 PM
Is there any shopping at all that can be done at Buller? Can I get milk, for instance? Or bread?

jenni
30-12-2004, 12:24 PM
Is there any shopping at all that can be done at Buller? Can I get milk, for instance? Or bread?

There is a mini-mart at the Arlberg hotel - Just go to the bar area and ask. It had milk, bread, eggs as well as a range of toiletries, breakfast cereals and canned things, soft drinks. Don't expect a large choice - from memory there were about 3 different cereals and a few basic canned things. Prices were on the high side. There is a much large supermarket, but it is closed in summer. It is a reasonable walk to the Arlberg, but pleasant (if it is not snowing :) )

Your best plan would be to stock up when going through Mansfield and use the mini-mart for emergencies. There is an order system, where you can order groceries from the supermarket - GG can tell you whether this is operating for the open and how often. I know it is in place for the juniors.

jenni
30-12-2004, 12:34 PM
Lovely day here in mt buller. Nice and fine, 26 degrees. Air smells wonderful (no pollution)

Hmm - not sure I believe the 26 - it was a max of 10 yesterday and 2 the day before. Think I'll still do my clothes drop on Saturday :)

Garvinator
30-12-2004, 12:41 PM
Hmm - not sure I believe the 26 - it was a max of 10 yesterday and 2 the day before. Think I'll still do my clothes drop on Saturday :)
well apparently it is going to be 36 in melbourne, so as it is about 10 degrees less normally up here in mt buller, that makes an approx of 26 ;) .

Yes the clothes drop is still recommended, could be snowing in a couple of days, you just never know ;) :cool:

jenni
30-12-2004, 01:14 PM
well apparently it is going to be 36 in melbourne, so as it is about 10 degrees less normally up here in mt buller, that makes an approx of 26 ;) .


That might be the rule of thumb, but I suspect there is a time lag. According to my weather forecast it is a max of 14 today, 15 tomorrow and a sweltering 24 on Saturday....

arosar
30-12-2004, 01:14 PM
Hmm - not sure I believe the 26 - it was a max of 10 yesterday and 2 the day before. Think I'll still do my clothes drop on Saturday :)

Either our mate gray can't read or he's pulling your leg. Forecast max on the mountain is 16 deg today.

AR

Garvinator
30-12-2004, 01:39 PM
Either our mate gray can't read or he's pulling your leg. Forecast max on the mountain is 16 deg today.

AR
well i havent actually checked any sites, just what i was hearing ;)

Libby
30-12-2004, 03:06 PM
well i havent actually checked any sites, just what i was hearing ;)

You must be spending way too much time indoors! 16 and 26 degrees feel quite different! :eek:

On the food front, bread at the Arlberg is $4/loaf. To give you some idea of the inflation. You really are better off shopping in Mansfield or even bringing stuff from home if you can carry it.

If anyone wants details, I have sample menus from the main eating places which gives you an idea of the selections on offer and prices - so you can work out how much eating out you want to do. Also another eatery (Ski Club of Victoria "The Whitt") opens from on 3/1 (Tues to Sun) so that's another place to check out. They hadn't finalised their menu when I put my booklet together but they do look a little more like the bistro-type prices like the Arlberg. On a Mt Buller map they are at O4 No 195.

arosar
30-12-2004, 03:09 PM
Job Vacancy: Chess organiser/admin

Skill set: A mom.

AR

Libby
30-12-2004, 03:11 PM
Job Vacancy: Chess organiser/admin

Skill set: A mom.

AR

:P and we're "mums" here anyway

Trent Parker
30-12-2004, 09:55 PM
tcn,

During the minor, you will not be able to go to mansfield unless you go by car very early or maybe if you have time between rounds (unlikely) from Jan 2 to 5 as you will be starting at 9am and finishing sometime at night. Therefore you would need to pick up your food at mansfield and shop for six days till Jan 6.

Cheers,

Garvin


I had actually planned on doing this anyhow.

My plan was to puchase stuff at Mansfield for brekky and lunch and then eat out at dinner.... But by the sounds of things restaurants are pretty full as well......

But aren't mothers wonderful :D

My mother bought some stuff for me to take so i wouldn't have to buy as much when i get to mansfield :D..... The chiddy's will still have to stop though.....

Don_Harrison
01-01-2005, 04:57 PM
All right; own up. Who was the smarty who cloned the friggin car?

jenni
01-01-2005, 05:04 PM
All right; own up. Who was the smarty who cloned the friggin car?
Well at least we know it is a live cam - I was starting to believe it was a fixed picture and they just added weather effects.
:)

Garvinator
01-01-2005, 06:08 PM
Well at least we know it is a live cam - I was starting to believe it was a fixed picture and they just added weather effects.
:)
i was in front of that cam for a few minutes yesterday at about 9am, guess no one saw me on it :P

jenni
01-01-2005, 06:49 PM
Yes the clothes drop is still recommended, could be snowing in a couple of days, you just never know ;) :cool:
Clothes drop safely executed, so Shannon now has coat, boots and sundry other bits. Thanks to the Chess Nut and friends. :)

Trent Parker
06-01-2005, 10:05 PM
oohhhh talk about being blown away!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say that Mt buller is absolutely beautiful!!!!
Hills were a bit tough for a very big unit like me..... but the view is definitely worth walking around the mountain.....

Garvinator
07-01-2005, 06:23 AM
oohhhh talk about being blown away!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say that Mt buller is absolutely beautiful!!!!
Hills were a bit tough for a very big unit like me..... but the view is definitely worth walking around the mountain.....
and it snowed last night again ;)

jenni
07-01-2005, 09:06 AM
and it snowed last night again ;)

Oh well at least Shannon now has a big coat, boots and lots of warm tops!

arosar
07-01-2005, 12:43 PM
oohhhh talk about being blown away!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say that Mt buller is absolutely beautiful!!!!

Beautiful? Mate, you shoulda come to Wanguanui! It's God's country down here. And next year, we're off to Queenstown. Now that is the angels' playground. Absolutely bloody beautiful. Murray Chandler was even interviewed by a broadsheet and he promoted it. All people should start saving money now and come to Queenstown NZ for 2006.

AR

Cat
07-01-2005, 07:02 PM
Beautiful? Mate, you shoulda come to Wanguanui! It's God's country down here. And next year, we're off to Queenstown. Now that is the angels' playground. Absolutely bloody beautiful. Murray Chandler was even interviewed by a broadsheet and he promoted it. All people should start saving money now and come to Queenstown NZ for 2006.

AR

Yes, I worked in NZ for 10 months, beautiful place with beautiful people, very welcoming.

Duff McKagan
07-01-2005, 07:43 PM
and it snowed last night again ;)

Hold on snow ... two more days!!

Trent Parker
08-01-2005, 01:21 PM
Beautiful? Mate, you shoulda come to Wanguanui! It's God's country down here. And next year, we're off to Queenstown. Now that is the angels' playground. Absolutely bloody beautiful. Murray Chandler was even interviewed by a broadsheet and he promoted it. All people should start saving money now and come to Queenstown NZ for 2006.

AR

You been up to Mt buller AR??

klyall
11-01-2005, 12:20 AM
A big thank you to Charles and Roland who tried to start my car. After 10 days it refused to budge an inch. The RACV had to come up from Mansfield to get me going. Thanks again.

Kevin Bonham
11-01-2005, 10:37 PM
Walk review:


The Village Circuit (EASY 3.12 km/1.5 hrs) and The Canyon (ADVANCED 300m/30mins) - This easy walk, over gently undulating terrain is a great way to orientate yourself with the Mt Buller Village. Offering fantastic views of Mt Stirling and the ranges to the south and east, the Village Circuit allows you to walk amidst grevilleas and snow gums. Incorporates a series of exercise stations for the fitness fanatics!

Pleasant stroll and generally very easy. Some of the bush is not too disturbed.


Along the Village Circuit you will find the short, but challenging Canyon walk. Perfect for those with a sense of adventure, the Canyon offers grand views and has its own private water stream.

Very short and not at all challenging - just steepish in places. So long as you can cope with a bit of slope don't let this guff about "challenge" put you off.


The Summit Nature Walk (EASY to INTERMEDIATE 3.6km return/1.5-2hrs) A chance to enjoy the views and enjoy the flora and fauna of the high country.

Highly recommend, especially the south side which goes around the basalt columns.


The Klingsporn Bridle Track (INTERMEDIATE 8.65km/3hrs one-way, down so you might want to be collected at the bottom!)

Only did the bottom 1 km or so while down at Mirimbah.


Mt Stirling via Corn Hill and Howqua Gap (INTERMEDIATE 16.4 kms via Corn Hill or 20.4 kms via the Quarry/5-7hrs return) Venture beyond the resort boundaries to Corn Hill and Mt Stirling, walking along a combination of 4WD tracks and walking trails. One of the longer trails around Mt Buller, this walk has a number of picnic locations along the way, a majestic Alpine Ash forest
to be explored and fantastic views back to the picturesque Mt Buller Resort.

For a fast walker, 4-5 hrs would be more reasonable. Not especially difficult but road is very steep in places so need sure footing especially coming down off Mt S. Very pretty walk on the whole but getting off the road for 4WDers between Howqua Gap and Mt S is annoying, I had to make way for about 25 of them ... then again it was New Year's Day. It's best to go via Corn Hill, nicer bush and less 4WDs, the long road's a fairly pointless drag by comparison.

Don_Harrison
12-01-2005, 07:36 PM
Well at least we know it is a live cam - I was starting to believe it was a fixed picture and they just added weather effects.
:)

Does anybody know who owns that car near the tennis courts at Bourke Street? As it doesn't seem to go anywhere, seems quite study and obviously durable, I might buy it to rent out as a lodge during winter - or rent to some destitute chess tragic who wants to go on a pilgramage to Mount Buller.

Mischa
22-01-2005, 09:57 PM
Kerry, answer your pm's please