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Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:40 PM
The ACF December 2004 rating lists have been sent to the webmaster and State Rating Officers.

For the December 2004 rating period there were 119 Tournaments rated and 10402 games of which 6588 were in the ACF Classic rating system and 3814 were in the ACF Rapid rating system.


Top Players
2641!! 0 NSW Rogers, Ian [GM]
2508! 0 NSW Wallace, John-Paul [IM]
2485!! 10 VIC Johansen, Darryl K [GM]
2477! 0 NSW Lane, Gary W [IM]
2431!! 0 VIC Smerdon, David C [IM]
2420!! 7 NSW Zhao, Zong-Yuan [IM]
2419!! 20 QLD Solomon, Stephen J [IM]
2405! 1 SA Chapman, Mark [IM]
2395! 0 SA Tao, Trevor
2392!! 9 VIC Bjelobrk, Igor
2386!! 18 VIC Froehlich, Peter [IM]
2373! 0 VIC Teichmann, Erik [FM]
2364!! 14 VIC West, Guy [IM]
2358!! 10 VIC Sandler, Leonid [IM]
2351!! 43 NSW Xie, George
2348! 0 VIC Jordan, Bill [FM]
2328!! 10 VIC Depasquale, Chris J [FM]
2317! 0 NSW Drummond, Matthew
2311!! 16 NSW Canfell, Gregory J [FM]
2302!! 0 NSW Reilly, Tim [FM]
2296! 0 NSW Smirnov, Vladimir
2296! 7 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WFM]
2293! 0 VIC Baron, Michael [FM]
2291!! 5 VIC Rujevic, Mirko [IM]
2264! 1 NSW Scott, Ronald
2257!! 7 NSW Tan, Justin
2249!! 0 VIC Levi, Eddy L [FM]
2240! 9 NSW Cook, Roger S
2237! 0 NSW Feldman, Vladimir [IM]
2231! 0 VIC Hamilton, Douglas G [FM]
2225!! 6 NSW Rej, Tomek
2216!! 11 SA Zaric, Srboljub
2211! 0 NSW Kabir, Ruhul
2199! 6 VIC Chow, Samuel
2198! 0 NSW Tindall, Brett [FM]
2194! 0 NSW Salter, Michael
2192!! 1 NSW Goris, Robert
2188! 0 NSW Hirschhorn, Jeremy K
2188! 0 WA Painter, Julian
2182! 8 NSW Berezina - Feldman, Irina [IM]
2182! 8 QLD Sorokina, Anastasia [WIM]
2176!! 13 WA Boyd, Tristan
2176!! 17 NSW Bird, Andrew
2175!! 13 NSW Flatow, A (Fred) [FM]
2173! 0 VIC Anderson, Tim
2158! 0 VIC Partsi, Dimitry
2158! 0 WA Byrne, Stewart J
2152!! 15 NSW Ayvazyan, Armen
2147! 0 VIC Woodhams, Michael V
2146! 0 NSW Dwyer, Danny [FM]
2139! 10 NSW Fuller, Maxwell L [FM]
2138! 0 VIC Booth, Stewart
2137!! 7 WA Barber, Haydn J [FM]
2135!! 8 NSW Camer, Angelito
2129! 14 NSW Bouchaaya, Tony
2126!! 0 NSW Agulto, Edgardo
2126!! 14 SA Cowley, Robert G (Bob)
2125!! 7 SA Goldsmith, Alan D
2123! 0 WA Wilkins, Michael
2122!! 21 VIC Dragicevic, Domagoj

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:41 PM
Top Females
2296! 7 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WFM]
2182! 8 NSW Berezina - Feldman, Irina [IM]
2182! 8 QLD Sorokina, Anastasia [WIM]
2052! 0 SA Nguyen, Giang
2049!! 1 NSW Eriksson, Ingela
2016! 1 NSW Dekic, Biljana [WIM]
1985! 0 NSW Moylan, Laura A [WIM]
1968! 7 NSW Sarai, Slavica [WFM]
1960! 0 NSW Lip, Catherine [WFM]
1927! 0 NSW Klimenko, Veronica [WFM]
1799!! 0 NSW Lane, Nancy L [WIM]
1781!! 0 VIC Lee, Michelle
1779! 0 VIC Zivanovic, Andjelija
1771!! 31 NSW Song, Angela
1769!! 15 NSW Huddleston, Heather
1747!! 12 VIC Szuveges, Narelle S [WFM]
1709! 13 VIC Beggs, Diana
1686!! 5 WA Payne, Sophie
1671!! 25 NSW Reid, Vaness
1668! 0 NSW Shields, Sylvia

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:41 PM
Top Under 20
2431!! 19 VIC Smerdon, David C
2420!! 17 NSW Zhao, Zong-Yuan
2351!! 18 NSW Xie, George
2296! 17 QLD Caoili, Arianne B
2257!! 18 NSW Tan, Justin
2225!! 17 NSW Rej, Tomek
2199! 16 VIC Chow, Samuel
2176!! 19 WA Boyd, Tristan
2092!! 15 NSW Yu, Ronald
2091! 18 NSW Tian, Kuan-Kuan
2060!! 19 QLD Humphrey, Jonathan
2052! 18 SA Nguyen, Giang
2043!! 14 ACT Wei, Michael
2040!! 16 ACT Jovanovic, Peter
2025!! 18 VIC Nemeth, Janos
2025!! 17 VIC Bourmistrov, Denis
2006! 19 VIC Soloveychik, Sasha
1995!! 9 NSW Song, Raymond
1991! 15 NSW Lubarsky, Kostia
1984!! 14 VIC Stojic, Dusan

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:42 PM
Top Under 16
2092!! 15 NSW Yu, Ronald
2043!! 14 ACT Wei, Michael
1995!! 9 NSW Song, Raymond
1991! 15 NSW Lubarsky, Kostia
1984!! 14 VIC Stojic, Dusan
1944!! 13 VIC Wallis, Christopher
1942!! 13 SA Obst, James
1931!! 15 ACT Oliver, Gareth
1916!! 12 ACT Ikeda, Junta
1904!! 15 NSW Suttor, Vincent
1895!! 15 VIC Jager, Jesse
1883!! 14 QLD Barnard, Casey T
1881!! 12 QLD Ly, Moulthun
1856!! 14 NSW Cronan, James
1845!! 13 VIC Lugo, Ruperto
1839!! 11 NSW Illingworth, Max
1838!! 15 NSW Morris, Michael
1819!! 10 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1815!! 13 QLD Lazarus, Benjamin
1807! 15 VIC Lindberg, Douglas

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:43 PM
Top Under 12
1995!! 9 NSW Song, Raymond
1839!! 11 NSW Illingworth, Max
1819!! 10 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1771!! 11 NSW Song, Angela
1673!! 11 QLD Anderson, Daniel C
1588!! 11 NSW Harris, Benjamin
1584!! 11 NSW Wu, Edwin
1582!! 10 NSW Miranda, Adrian
1562! 11 NSW Zhu, Jonathan
1546!! 9 QLD Finke, Kelvin
1534!! 9 VIC Morris, James
1521!! 11 ACT Brown, Andrew
1502!! 10 NSW Xu, William
1501!! 11 WA Choong, Yita
1496! 11 QLD Xu, Mingda
1388!! 11 VIC Yu, Derek
1348!! 11 ACT Ung, Thomas
1333!! 10 VIC Tang, Jason
1301!! 11 VIC Glenton, Alan
1289!! 10 QLD Russell, Luthien

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:43 PM
Top Females Under 20
2296! 17 QLD Caoili, Arianne B
2052! 18 SA Nguyen, Giang
1960! 17 NSW Lip, Catherine
1781!! 13 VIC Lee, Michelle
1779! 19 VIC Zivanovic, Andjelija
1771!! 11 NSW Song, Angela
1769!! 14 NSW Huddleston, Heather
1686!! 18 WA Payne, Sophie
1671!! 14 NSW Reid, Vaness
1668! 19 NSW Shields, Sylvia
1644!! 17 ACT Oliver, Shannon
1612!! 14 NSW Harris, Rebecca
1562!! 14 QLD Jule, Alexandra
1489! 19 QLD Mowles, Karina
1452! 16 VIC Richter, Sally-Anne
1412!! 13 QLD Evans, Amy L
1391!! 13 VIC Hickman, Casey
1331! 18 WA Cassidy, Kelly
1298!! 14 ACT Ikeda, Miona
1289!! 10 QLD Russell, Luthien

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:44 PM
Top Seniors
2231! 63 VIC Hamilton, Douglas G
2216!! 64 SA Zaric, Srboljub
2175!! 67 NSW Flatow, A (Fred)
2058!! 66 NSW Ghenzer, Charles
2057!! 61 NSW Capilitan, Romeo
2049!! 77 NSW Viner, Phillip J
1958! 70 TAS Pavicic, Mile
1947!! 66 NSW Benson, Lachlan
1937! 68 NSW Hutchings, Frank P
1908! 76 WA Leonhardt, Wolfgang
1904!! 70 NSW Jens, Henk W
1865!! 61 NSW Winter, George
1850! 63 NSW Pilja, Djuro
1850! 67 NSW Bautista, Elpidio
1845! 71 NSW Lazaridis, Julius
1833!! 69 TAS Gibbs, Glen B
1824! 72 NSW Creech, Ken E
1804! 69 QLD Mehltreter, Otto
1804!! 62 NSW Gross, Mike C
1794! 64 NSW Macmillan, Malcolm

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:45 PM
Top Improvers
1211 218 SA Zulfic, Fedja
1276 196 VIC Potter, Michael
955 176 NSW Lau, Joshua
1289 136 QLD Russell, Luthien
1493 129 NSW To, Anthony
1459 124 NSW Baker, John A
1310 119 QLD Gearing, Michael
1448 117 QLD Olm-Milligan, Dominic
782 117 QLD McGarity, Molly
1209 116 QLD Kinder, Jessica
1673 110 QLD Anderson, Daniel C
1944 107 VIC Wallis, Christopher
1677 106 NSW Levin, Joshua
1289 104 NSW Northover, Shane
1288 103 QLD Lei, Yitao
807 103 QLD Webb, Christina
1220 102 VIC Raviganesh, Surya
948 99 SA Eustace, Sophie
1819 96 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
755 94 NSW Tsui, Edison
1663 94 SA Thiyagarajah, Prakash
1519 93 NSW Hornibrook, John
1657 93 NSW Pickering, Anthony
1729 91 NSW Tse, Jeffrey
1746 90 VIC Rice, Edward
1911 90 QLD Stawski, Nik V
1768 89 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1100 88 VIC Rozenblat, Vanja
1086 84 QLD Haron, Adric
1838 83 VIC Boasman, Ian

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:46 PM
Busiest Players
1289 58 QLD Russell, Luthien
1600 53 NSW Keuning, Anthony V
1841 43 ACT Grcic, Milan
2351 43 NSW Xie, George
1734 40 ACT Ali, Mosaddeque
1518 38 NSW Greenwood, Norman
1406 36 NSW Farrell, Keith R
2109 35 NSW Bolens, Johny
1443 35 NSW Sike, Paul
1819 35 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
1562 35 QLD Jule, Alexandra
1492 34 NSW Frias, Joe
1524 34 NSW Losh, Gary
1744 34 QLD Weller, Tony
1877 32 NSW Mendes da Costa, Alex
1771 31 NSW Song, Angela
786 31 QLD Rogers, Jim
1595 30 NSW Nichas, John
1489 30 NSW Kresinger, Frank
1511 29 NSW Sewell, Rob
1879 29 NSW Harp, Joel
1657 29 NSW Pickering, Anthony
1762 29 QLD Alkin, John
1990 28 NSW Murray, Bruce D
1454 28 NSW Tracey, Michael J
1367 28 NSW Parker, Trent
1995 28 NSW Song, Raymond
1534 28 VIC Morris, James
1981 28 TAS Bonham, Kevin
1660 27 NSW Canfell, Mike J
1438 27 NSW Skulimowski, Don
1385 27 NSW Brown, Phil
1286 27 VIC Butler, John M
1445 27 VIC Potter, Christopher
1138 27 VIC Potter, Daniel
1209 27 QLD Kinder, Jessica
1825 26 VIC Ly, Thai
1508 26 VIC Potter, Matthew
1276 26 VIC Potter, Michael
1637 26 QLD Davidson, Nathan P

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:47 PM
Normal Tournaments Rated
ACT
29/10/2004 57 7 2004 Belconnen Club Championships
29/09/2004 25 11 ACT Open Championship 2004
27/09/2004 22 7 Murrimbidgee Masters
NSW
29/11/2004 17 7 2004 Canterbury Open
08/10/2004 20 8 2004 City of Sydney Junior Championship - Under 15
08/10/2004 11 8 2004 City of Sydney Junior Championship - Under 18
14/11/2004 55 7 2004 Coffs Harbour Open
26/10/2004 6 5 2004 Collies Champs Prelim A
26/10/2004 6 5 2004 Collies Champs Prelim B
27/10/2004 2 1 2004 Collies Champs Prelim B - Playoff
26/10/2004 6 5 2004 Collies Champs Prelim C
27/09/2004 18 7 2004 Mingara Chess Club Championships
01/10/2004 10 5 2004 NSW Girls Championship - Under 18
08/11/2004 36 9 2004 St George Swiss
07/09/2004 18 9 2004 Wollongong Handicap
30/11/2004 112 1 Big Boards Second Leg North Sydney v St. George
07/09/2004 13 6 CCLCCC Winter 2004
30/11/2004 18 7 CCLCCC Championship 2004
07/11/2004 38 7 CCLCCC Gosford Open 2004
30/10/2004 8 7 Ettalong Spring 2004
06/11/2004 2 2 Ettalong Spring 2004 Playoff
03/10/2004 17 9 Fairfield RSL Chess Club
22/11/2004 20 7 Fishers Ghost 2004
20/09/2004 14 9 Hakoah Chess Club Championship 2004 Open
20/09/2004 19 9 Hakoah Chess Club Championship 2004 Under 1700
29/11/2004 21 5 Hetherington Memorial 2004
14/10/2004 46 7 Interleagues Premiership 2004
23/11/2004 69 9 John Ford Memorial 2004
31/10/2004 18 7 Laurieton Spring Open
31/10/2004 16 9 NSW State Championship 2004
31/10/2004 26 9 NSW State Championship 2004 U1600
31/10/2004 29 9 NSW State Championship 2004 U2000
02/08/2004 6 5 Newcastle Club 2004
21/11/2004 49 6 Ralph Seberry Memorial Weekender
22/11/2004 8 7 Rooty Hill Club Championship Division A 2004
22/11/2004 8 7 Rooty Hill Club Championship Division B 2004
22/11/2004 8 7 Rooty Hill Club Championship Division C 2004
22/11/2004 8 7 Rooty Hill Club Championship Division D 2004
22/11/2004 6 5 Rooty Hill Club Championship Division E 2004
27/09/2004 39 7 Rooty Hill Open 2004
04/10/2004 71 7 Ryde Eastwood Open 2004
21/11/2004 11 6 Western Teams
QLD
01/10/2004 38 6 2004 Australian Clubs' Teams Championship
12/09/2004 12 6 2004 Brisbane Junior Masters
28/11/2004 22 7 2004 Qld Under 1850 Ch
24/11/2004 21 8 2004 Redcliffe CC Championship
03/10/2004 35 6 2004 Redcliffe Challenge
26/08/2004 20 4 BCC Steinitz Memorial 2004
04/11/2004 17 4 BCC Tal Memorial 2004
07/10/2004 23 6 Brisbane Chess Club Championship 2004
15/09/2004 10 9 Hardys FIDE Rated Classic 2004
06/09/2004 27 8 Junior Masters 190704
08/09/2004 22 7 Lou Wilkinson Memorial
19/09/2004 76 7 Nell van de Graaff Classic 2004
26/09/2004 12 7 Queensland Girls Champiosnhips 2004
25/09/2004 14 13 The Gap CC - One Hour 2004
SA
19/10/2004 89 9 2004 Pennant
23/08/2004 30 7 City of Adelaide Chess Championship 2004
03/10/2004 14 7 Labour Day 2004
TAS
06/10/2004 16 15 HICC Club Champs 2004
31/10/2004 27 7 Hobart Weekender 2004
12/09/2004 19 7 Launceston Weekender 2004
VIC
29/10/2004 118 7 Box Hill Open
17/08/2004 29 6 Box Hill Rainbow Championships
26/10/2004 33 7 Box Hill Spring Swiss
10/09/2004 132 8 CV Winter Interclub (Eastern Zone)
21/10/2004 16 1 CV Winter Interclub (Interzone Finals)
08/09/2004 46 7 CV Winter Interclub (Western Zone)
01/09/2004 45 7 Dandenong Grades Tournament
14/11/2004 26 5 Hobsons Bay Best in the West
16/10/2004 4 3 Hobsons Bay Invitational
27/10/2004 19 5 Hobsons Bay Koshnitsky Cup
13/07/2004 10 9 Latrobe Valley Club Championship
19/10/2004 13 13 Latrobe Valley Winter Championship
25/10/2004 33 9 Melbourne Open
03/10/2004 11 11 Victorian Championship
03/10/2004 10 9 Victorian Qualifying Tournament #1
03/10/2004 6 10 Victorian Qualifying Tournament #2
03/10/2004 10 9 Victorian Reserves Championship
WA
26/10/2004 12 7 2004 Fremantle Club Championship
24/11/2004 12 7 2004 Midland Open
25/09/2004 14 7 2004 WA Junior Chess Championship - Open
25/09/2004 13 7 2004 WA Junior Chess Championship - Under 14
12/09/2004 13 6 Willetton Open

Bill Gletsos
01-12-2004, 11:48 PM
Rapid Tournaments Rated
ACT
19/09/2004 40 9 2004 ACT Under 12 Championship
12/09/2004 26 9 2004 ACT Under 8 Championship
28/11/2004 35 9 2004 ACTJCL Rapid Championship
28/11/2004 15 9 2004 ACTJCL Rapid Reserves
17/10/2004 26 5 2004 Developoment Squad October
06/10/2004 42 7 2004 October Development Day
03/11/2004 16 9 Charity Cup 2004
17/09/2004 21 5 Curtin Primary Term 3, 2004
25/10/2004 21 7 Namadgi Naturals
16/09/2004 20 8 Souths Term 3 2004
25/11/2004 25 7 Souths Term 4 2004
14/08/2004 10 7 Street Chess 14 August 2004
02/10/2004 12 7 Street Chess 2 October 2004
09/10/2004 14 7 Street Chess 9 October 2004
NSW
07/09/2004 30 9 2004 St. George Rapid
26/09/2004 20 7 Laurieton One Day chess
QLD
10/09/2004 40 6 2004 Brisbane High Schools Wave 2
10/09/2004 45 6 2004 Brisbane Primary Open Championship Wave 2
07/09/2004 20 6 2004 Fernvale Teams Tournament Open
10/10/2004 50 7 2004 Queensland High Schools Championship
10/10/2004 64 7 2004 Queensland Primary Schools Championship
31/08/2004 51 6 Fernvale Qualifying/Age Championships 2004
24/10/2004 63 9 Gold Coast Allegro 2004
29/08/2004 32 7 Suncoast Secondary Individual 2004
SA
08/10/2004 20 10 Under 18 Open, Girls & Under 11
TAS
06/10/2004 8 7 BCC Allegro A Tournament 2004
06/10/2004 8 7 BCC Allegro B Tournament 2004
VIC
24/08/2004 18 5 Box Hill Allegro (August)
05/11/2004 44 5 Box Hill Allegro (November)
10/09/2004 24 5 Box Hill Allegro (September)
22/09/2004 50 9 Dandenong Rapid Play Tournament
02/10/2004 16 9 Elwood Rapid Play Tournament
21/11/2004 67 7 Whitehorse Rookies & Queens Cup (November)
17/10/2004 55 7 Whitehorse Rookies & Queens Cup (October)
19/09/2004 72 7 Whitehorse Rookies & Queens Cup (September)

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 12:02 AM
Some regular BB posters ratings:

Ian Rogers - 2641!!
Greg Canfell - 2311!!
jeffrei - 2278
Tristan Boyd - 2176!!
Gareth Charles - 2118!!
Ronald Yu - 2092!!
Brian Jones - 2096!!
Lee Jones - 2054!!
bobby1972 - 2046!!
Kerry Stead - 1999!!
paulb - 2003
Ian Rout - 1948!!
Jason Chan - 1957!!
rob - 1937!!
Goughfather - 1973!!
Kevin Bonham - 1981!!
firegoat7 - 1930!!
Shaun Press - 1837!
David Richards - 1792!
Barry Cox - 1826!!
George Howard - 1680
Amiel Rosario - 1663!!
Candy Cane - 1671!!
starter - 1634!!
Bruce Dickinson - 1591!
antichrist - 1492!
Paul Sike - 1443!!
Recherché - 1442!!
Scott Colliver - 1394
Trent Parker - 1367!!
Matt Sweeney - 1324!!
Garvin Gray - 1188!!

JGB
02-12-2004, 01:19 AM
Why can't I find a jeffrei (or anyone) rated 2278 on the master file although a BB poster is supposed to have this rating?
does it have something to do with the '!!' missing?

Alan Shore
02-12-2004, 02:03 AM
Why can't I find a jeffrei (or anyone) rated 2278 on the master file although a BB poster is supposed to have this rating?
does it have something to do with the '!!' missing?

3097856 2278! VIC Saw, Geoffrey

Alan Shore
02-12-2004, 02:06 AM
Kerry Stead - 1999!!

Serious bribery going on here.. Kerrence always manages to 'magically' wind up U2000 for the Grand Prix every year ;)

JGB
02-12-2004, 02:08 AM
3097856 2278! VIC Saw, Geoffrey
Why isn't he in the Bill's top players list?

Alan Shore
02-12-2004, 02:20 AM
Why isn't he in the Bill's top players list?

Option A: He is inactive, despite having a (!) reliable rating - top list is only for active players.

Option B: Bill made a cobblers.

At this stage I'd lean toward A though ;)

Rincewind
02-12-2004, 08:17 AM
Some regular BB posters ratings:

Ian Rogers - 2641!!
Greg Canfell - 2311!!
jeffrei - 2278
Tristan Boyd - 2176!!
Gareth Charles - 2118!!
Ronald Yu - 2092!!
Brian Jones - 2096!!
Lee Jones - 2054!!
bobby1972 - 2046!!
Kerry Stead - 1999!!
paulb - 2003
Ian Rout - 1948!!
Jason Chan - 1957!!
rob - 1937!!
Goughfather - 1973!!
Kevin Bonham - 1981!!
firegoat7 - 1930!!
Shaun Press - 1837!
David Richards - 1792!
Barry Cox - 1826!!
George Howard - 1680
Amiel Rosario - 1663!!
Candy Cane - 1671!!
starter - 1634!!
Bruce Dickinson - 1591!
antichrist - 1492!
Paul Sike - 1443!!
Recherché - 1442!!
Scott Colliver - 1394
Trent Parker - 1367!!
Matt Sweeney - 1324!!
Garvin Gray - 1188!!

Good job, Bill.

As an open question:

Are the >1900 rating range over represented on the board, or is it just that the <1900 range prefer to preserve their anonymity?

bobby1972
02-12-2004, 08:32 AM
good to see the ratings out,i got a feeling this will be my last ever rating over the magic 2000 at least for a few years.

alexmdc
02-12-2004, 08:41 AM
I had a feeling my rating wouldn't change much after some pretty average results, but it didn't change at all!

From 1877 to 1877. Maybe the rating system aint so bad after all :)

auriga
02-12-2004, 08:45 AM
i've uploaded bill's new ratings data so
the charts at

http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?p=ratings_aus

are updated.
there's a few bugs with name lookup, missing periods, etc. :confused:

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 09:48 AM
Option A: He is inactive, despite having a (!) reliable rating - top list is only for active players.

Option B: Bill made a cobblers.

At this stage I'd lean toward A though ;)
Actually its none of the above.

He is rated 2278 without a !! or a !.
Hence ineligible for the top lists.

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 09:52 AM
Why can't I find a jeffrei (or anyone) rated 2278 on the master file although a BB poster is supposed to have this rating?
does it have something to do with the '!!' missing?
He is on the Sept master list and active list rated 2278!.
he is on the unpublished dec master list and active list with a rating of 2278.

Recherché
02-12-2004, 10:02 AM
As an open question:

Are the >1900 rating range over represented on the board, or is it just that the <1900 range prefer to preserve their anonymity?

I think it's much more likely that those rated >1900 are over-represented on the board; after all, stronger players tend to be more active politically and generally in the chess community. :)

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 10:19 AM
Btw for those that are wondering. or have PM'ed me, I sent the ratings to the ACF webmaster along with all the State Rating Officers.

Unfortunately his email account is bouncing all mail because it is full.
Until he returns from overseas and clears it, I will not be able to send him the ratings reports again.
The ACF ratings will not appear on the ACF web site until that time.
As i understandf it he should be back this weekend. I would therefore currently expect this to be sometime next week.

Rincewind
02-12-2004, 10:28 AM
Btw for those that are wondering. or have PM'ed me, I sent the ratings to the ACF webmaster along with all the State Rating Officers.

Unfortunately his email account is bouncing all mail because it is full.
Until he returns from overseas and clears it, I will not be able to send him the ratings reports again.
The ACF ratings will not appear on the ACF web site until that time.
As i understandf it he should be back this weekend. I would therefore currently expect this to be sometime next week.

If you like, mail them to me and I will put them on my site. Of course, only if you like.

Recherché
02-12-2004, 10:38 AM
good to see the ratings out,i got a feeling this will be my last ever rating over the magic 2000 at least for a few years.

What makes you say that? If you take a look at your ratings graphs (http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?p=ratings_aus&a=Pecori,%20Ascaro#search) you can see that you've been over 2000 for four of the last eight ratings periods; your largest single period drop has been 38 points, and you've been in good form, increasing your rating for the last two periods, to reach a two-year high. Unless you've had a particularly terrible tournament just recently then it seems more likely than not that you'll be over 2000 in the next ratings period, at least.

In short, you've every reason for optimism; why not strive for 2100 instead of fearing the drop below 2000? At 2046 they're almost equidistant. :)

Recherché
02-12-2004, 10:51 AM
Recherché - 1442!!

Yay! 38 points is a slightly larger jump than I'd been expecting. :)

I'm hoping for a larger boost in March 2005, if I keep playing well. Lack of games might be a problem, though, with the holidays coming up. According to the graphs website, March 2004 only had 11 games for me, which would correspond to the two tournaments I'm playing in right now. Hmm... time to look for some summer tournaments! :D

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 10:54 AM
An error has been discovered in the 2004 Collies Champs Prelim A.

Although it only directly impacts 7 players there would be a minor flow on effect in other events on their opponents and their opponents and opponents.

I will correct this this evening when I get home and re-issue the rating reports.

No BB poster is directly effected. ;)

bobby1972
02-12-2004, 11:00 AM
yeah thanks for the encouragement ,its just that i paid for the oz open and i got free accommodation so i am playing just to get away from it all.but i have had some very big problems lately and i have not looked at chess much at all since oct and i know that i wont till first round at the oz

Trent Parker
02-12-2004, 11:05 AM
Yay! 38 points is a slightly larger jump than I'd been expecting. :)

I'm hoping for a larger boost in March 2005, if I keep playing well. Lack of games might be a problem, though, with the holidays coming up. According to the graphs website, March 2004 only had 11 games for me, which would correspond to the two tournaments I'm playing in right now. Hmm... time to look for some summer tournaments! :D

You are from Vic?

you could come up to sydney in a couple of weeks for the fairfield summer open. and in late january there is the Jan W/ender (old Aus day weekender)

Newcastle open should be in that period also.

Maybe even toukley U2000 tournament might be in that period.

Recherché
02-12-2004, 12:01 PM
^ It's a nice thought, but I don't have the funds to make it to Mt Buller, let alone Sydney/NSW. ;)

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 06:13 PM
An error has been discovered in the 2004 Collies Champs Prelim A.

Although it only directly impacts 7 players there would be a minor flow on effect in other events on their opponents and their opponents and opponents.

I will correct this this evening when I get home and re-issue the rating reports.

No BB poster is directly effected. ;)
The corrected rating reports for the normal ratings have been sent to the State Rating Officers.

23 players ratings changed of which 13 changed only by 1 point.

Bill Gletsos
02-12-2004, 06:25 PM
Although the top improvers list remains the same the actual increase in rating points differs in some cases.


Top Improvers
1211 217 SA Zulfic, Fedja
1276 195 VIC Potter, Michael
955 176 NSW Lau, Joshua
1289 137 QLD Russell, Luthien
1493 129 NSW To, Anthony
1459 124 NSW Baker, John A
1310 119 QLD Gearing, Michael
1448 117 QLD Olm-Milligan, Dominic
782 117 QLD McGarity, Molly
1209 116 QLD Kinder, Jessica
1673 110 QLD Anderson, Daniel C
1677 107 NSW Levin, Joshua
1944 107 VIC Wallis, Christopher
1289 104 NSW Northover, Shane
1288 103 QLD Lei, Yitao
1220 102 VIC Raviganesh, Surya
807 102 QLD Webb, Christina
948 99 SA Eustace, Sophie
1819 96 VIC Lin, Zhigen Wilson
755 94 NSW Tsui, Edison
1663 94 SA Thiyagarajah, Prakash
1657 93 NSW Pickering, Anthony
1519 93 NSW Hornibrook, John
1729 91 NSW Tse, Jeffrey
1746 91 VIC Rice, Edward
1911 90 QLD Stawski, Nik V
1768 89 VIC Vijayakumar, Rukman
1100 88 VIC Rozenblat, Vanja
1086 84 QLD Haron, Adric
1838 83 VIC Boasman, Ian

Kevin Bonham
03-12-2004, 02:22 AM
Oh well, that's recovered some of the damage from March.

Rincewind
04-12-2004, 09:24 AM
Any idea when the official rating files will be available on the web?

Recherché
04-12-2004, 10:55 AM
Any idea when the official rating files will be available on the web?

Earlier in this thread:


Btw for those that are wondering. or have PM'ed me, I sent the ratings to the ACF webmaster along with all the State Rating Officers.

Unfortunately his email account is bouncing all mail because it is full.
Until he returns from overseas and clears it, I will not be able to send him the ratings reports again.
The ACF ratings will not appear on the ACF web site until that time.
As i understandf it he should be back this weekend. I would therefore currently expect this to be sometime next week.

Rincewind
04-12-2004, 11:23 AM
Earlier in this thread:

Yes I read that, I was hoping that a more precise estimate was available.

Kerry Stead
04-12-2004, 12:34 PM
Serious bribery going on here.. Kerrence always manages to 'magically' wind up U2000 for the Grand Prix every year ;)
No bribery whatsoever ... sometimes I surprise myself with the things I can do! ;) Now I just have to find time to PLAY in these tournaments ... although I have a feeling that I'll be playing in Toukley by hook or by crook!

Rincewind
06-12-2004, 12:18 PM
Yes I read that, I was hoping that a more precise estimate was available.

Dec 6, still ACF website is not updated. Any idea when this upload might occur?

Ian Rout
06-12-2004, 12:52 PM
Dec 6, still ACF website is not updated. Any idea when this upload might occur?
The ratings were supplied to State ratings officers so if it's going to be a while then perhaps State webmasters could put their sections on the State pages as a stop-gap measure pending Paul's return? (ACT's have been up for several days).

Rincewind
06-12-2004, 02:51 PM
The ratings were supplied to State ratings officers so if it's going to be a while then perhaps State webmasters could put their sections on the State pages as a stop-gap measure pending Paul's return? (ACT's have been up for several days).

Now there is a value-add idea for NSWCA members. While waiting for that, any chance of talking the ACT webmaster of expanding his coverage to include adjoining states? ;)

Recherché
06-12-2004, 06:21 PM
Now there is a value-add idea for NSWCA members. While waiting for that, any chance of talking the ACT webmaster of expanding his coverage to include adjoining states? ;)

Don't forget the data is also available at:

http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?p=ratings_aus

Rincewind
06-12-2004, 06:27 PM
Don't forget the data is also available at:

http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?p=ratings_aus

NB I'm well aware of that. It was from that data I picked up the problem with the Collies Champ Prelim A file. However, this is only active players and does not include the RD.

Recherché
06-12-2004, 06:34 PM
NB I'm well aware of that. It was from that data I picked up the problem with the Collies Champ Prelim A file. However, this is only active players and does not include the RD.

The RD isn't in the .csv file?

You could try emailing one (or all) of the state ratings reps. :) (or even Bill himself)

Rincewind
06-12-2004, 06:38 PM
The RD isn't in the .csv file?

No.


You could try emailing one (or all) of the state ratings reps. :) (or even Bill himself)

I could and that would fix the problem for me. However, it doesn't fix the bigger problem of the ACF web site being out of date. Better to drain the swamp than go around shooting crocodiles.

Recherché
06-12-2004, 06:57 PM
I could and that would fix the problem for me. However, it doesn't fix the bigger problem of the ACF web site being out of date. Better to drain the swamp than go around shooting crocodiles.

The fact the website is out of date is a known problem, with a solution on the way already. We're still in the "sometime next week" of Bill's estimate. In fact, we've only just started it. It may be five days since the info became available, but for all we know it's less than 24 hours since the webmaster has been back home.

Rincewind
06-12-2004, 07:18 PM
The fact the website is out of date is a known problem, with a solution on the way already. We're still in the "sometime next week" of Bill's estimate. In fact, we've only just started it. It may be five days since the info became available, but for all we know it's less than 24 hours since the webmaster has been back home.

Yes and I was simply asking if we had an ETA on that solution.

Bill Gletsos
06-12-2004, 07:50 PM
Paul is apparently back since his mailbox is no longer reporting its full.

I have just sent him a set of reports and as well as the SP trn files for the ACF web site.

Recherché
06-12-2004, 08:36 PM
Yes and I was simply asking if we had an ETA on that solution.

I feel I may be turning this into a needless squabble, however:

Everyone who really needs the file has it already. In Victoria, at least, the ratings info has already been distributed through to individual clubs, so most players should have access to their new rating. My club had a printout sitting on the desk on Friday night, the first club night after the release. The info is also available online (though, admittedly, only if you know where to look).

In this context, the (slight) delay in updating the official site is a minor problem. Moreover, there is a very good reason for it, of which we were informed before the ratings were even ready. We were all given an ETA a few days ago, which has not passed or expired. We have no reason to believe the ETA is not still entirely valid. Five days isn't a particularly wide interval for the estimate, either.

In short, there's no reason to be nagging. :P

Rincewind
06-12-2004, 08:58 PM
I feel I may be turning this into a needless squabble

:hmm: Perceptive.


Everyone who really needs the file has it already. In Victoria, at least, the ratings info has already been distributed through to individual clubs, so most players should have access to their new rating. My club had a printout sitting on the desk on Friday night, the first club night after the release. The info is also available online (though, admittedly, only if you know where to look).

OK So now we know that ACT and Victoria (at least those who have visited their club and that club has been organised enough to provide hardcopy output) have seen their ratings. Very good.


In this context, the (slight) delay in updating the official site is a minor problem. Moreover, there is a very good reason for it, of which we were informed before the ratings were even ready. We were all given an ETA a few days ago, which has not passed or expired. We have no reason to believe the ETA is not still entirely valid. Five days isn't a particularly wide interval for the estimate, either.

I thought the previous estimate had expired or at least those in the know (like Bill) might have been in communication with Paul B and a better estimate might be available.


In short, there's no reason to be nagging. :P

Good to hear. Please cease and desist.

Bill Gletsos
07-12-2004, 09:05 PM
The Dec 2004 ACF ratings plus SP master files are up on the ACF web site.

Rincewind
07-12-2004, 11:26 PM
The Dec 2004 ACF ratings plus SP master files are up on the ACF web site.

:clap:

Cat
08-12-2004, 01:09 AM
There has been some improved stabilty in the ratings of players on the Gold Coast over the last quarter. 39 juniors were active playing 462 games between them with an average rating point gain of 1.22pts per game. Given they played an average of 12 games in the quarter, this would lead to an average annual increase of around 60 pts.

By comparison 22 adults played 260 games with an average loss of 0.8 pts /game. This would equate to an annual loss of 38 pts.

This is a significant improvement on previous rating periods and would suggest that the gap between the adults and (underrated) juniors has closed considerably. It will be interesting to see if the improvement is maintained through the next quarter.

However, the Gold Coast adults are still loosing around 40pts year and I hope this will be noted by the ratings officers.

Garvinator
08-12-2004, 01:35 AM
the central point hasnt been addressed by the Gold Coast Chess Club though, that the juniors play more normal rated games. have a look at what gets rated regarding most of the juniors on the gold coast, rapid games.

Cat
08-12-2004, 07:55 AM
the central point hasnt been addressed by the Gold Coast Chess Club though, that the juniors play more normal rated games. have a look at what gets rated regarding most of the juniors on the gold coast, rapid games.

Garvin, you're talking out of your backside again, buddy. 39 juniors played an average of 12 games in the quarter which equates to 48 games/year. How many games would you like them to play? You're so determined on this point, why don't you tell me how many games you think they should be playing to deserve an appropriate rating? Then maybe show me which areas are regularly achieving better results than the Gold Coast (outside Canberra which I acknowledge perform brilliantly). Don't confuse smugness for wisdom.

Rincewind
08-12-2004, 08:20 AM
Garvin, you're talking out of your backside again, buddy. 39 juniors played an average of 12 games in the quarter which equates to 48 games/year. How many games would you like them to play? You're so determined on this point, why don't you tell me how many games you think they should be playing to deserve an appropriate rating? Then maybe show me which areas are regularly achieving better results than the Gold Coast (outside Canberra which I acknowledge perform brilliantly). Don't confuse smugness for wisdom.

Actually 12 games in the quarter is 12 games/year if they don't play any other games the other three quarters.

Taking the number of games from a single quarter and extrapolating is unlikely to provide an accurate estimate of games/year. Why not report with a graph showing the number of rated games in the last 12 months for all juniors at the club?

Cat
08-12-2004, 09:15 AM
Actually 12 games in the quarter is 12 games/year if they don't play any other games the other three quarters.

Taking the number of games from a single quarter and extrapolating is unlikely to provide an accurate estimate of games/year. Why not report with a graph showing the number of rated games in the last 12 months for all juniors at the club?

True but it's not an untypical period. In fact participation rates have been slowly rising over the last 12 months. There are many possible reasons for this but greater confidence in the rating system is perhaps one reason. Players may be seeing their amibitions more fully realised. There is a tangible improvement but this is only 1 period. A lot now rests with the rating officers to deal with this situation honestly. We can only hope they honour their commitment to apply corrections where they become aware of irregularities. What I am doing is ensuring they remain aware.

Alan Shore
08-12-2004, 01:10 PM
Isn't there going to be some adults only tournament run at GG centre next year?

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 02:45 PM
There has been some improved stabilty in the ratings of players on the Gold Coast over the last quarter. 39 juniors were active playing 462 games between them with an average rating point gain of 1.22pts per game. Given they played an average of 12 games in the quarter, this would lead to an average annual increase of around 60 pts.

By comparison 22 adults played 260 games with an average loss of 0.8 pts /game. This would equate to an annual loss of 38 pts.
Thats the most useless set of statistics I have seen in a long time.

As Barry correctly points out it is useless using one period to guess how many games might be played in a 12mth period.
Of course I showed figures for 12mths when you sprouted this rubbish last period.

Also avergae points gained or lost is fairly useless especially when selecting players based on a relatively loose criteria. e.g. three players are rated 1500, 1600 and 1700. In the next period they are rated 1490, 1540 and 1900. This gives an average 50 point increase. Overall a totally useless statistic.


However, the Gold Coast adults are still loosing around 40pts year and I hope this will be noted by the ratings officers.
No.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 02:47 PM
Actually 12 games in the quarter is 12 games/year if they don't play any other games the other three quarters.

Taking the number of games from a single quarter and extrapolating is unlikely to provide an accurate estimate of games/year. Why not report with a graph showing the number of rated games in the last 12 months for all juniors at the club?
I highlighted DR's problems with these sort of stats in a previous thread.

Its interesting to see he has learnt nothing in the intervening period.
Glad to see he didnt disappoint me.

Garvinator
08-12-2004, 02:51 PM
Thats the most useless set of statistics I have seen in a long time.
that is a big call :whistle:

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 02:54 PM
Garvin, you're talking out of your backside again, buddy. 39 juniors played an average of 12 games in the quarter which equates to 48 games/year.
As Barry pointed out above and I pointed out previously using average figures like this is meaningless and a waste of time.


How many games would you like them to play? You're so determined on this point, why don't you tell me how many games you think they should be playing to deserve an appropriate rating?
This was answered last time you raised it.
I see no reason for either myself of Garvin wasting their time on you.

Don't confuse smugness for wisdom.
Well you have none of the latter.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 02:56 PM
that is a big call :whistle:
Maybe, maybe not. ;)
I could possibly have qualified it as being with regards to ratings.

Garvinator
08-12-2004, 03:05 PM
Maybe, maybe not. ;)
I could possibly have qualified it as being with regards to ratings.
and still with respect to ratings it is still a big call ;)

ursogr8
08-12-2004, 03:30 PM
Maybe, maybe not. ;)
I could possibly have qualified it as being with regards to ratings.

I think everyone presumed you meant ratings. I mean, you could hardly have made the allegation about other metrics, or even title dates; could you? ;) :hand:

pballard
08-12-2004, 03:54 PM
i've uploaded bill's new ratings data so
the charts at

http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?p=ratings_aus

are updated.
there's a few bugs with name lookup, missing periods, etc. :confused:

Whoo-hoo. Time for a new signature.

--
Peter
Australia's 375th ranked active player.

Cat
08-12-2004, 04:54 PM
As Barry correctly points out it is useless using one period to guess how many games might be played in a 12mth period.
Of course I showed figures for 12mths when you sprouted this rubbish last period.

Also avergae points gained or lost is fairly useless especially when selecting players based on a relatively loose criteria. e.g. three players are rated 1500, 1600 and 1700. In the next period they are rated 1490, 1540 and 1900. This gives an average 50 point increase. Overall a totally useless statistic.


No.

Bill, you can't keep deriding the use of an average term. We all know what average means, there is no hidden mystique, we're all aware of variability within populations, an average is the mean, nothing more, nothing less. I use the average term in the normal statistical way, there is no chicanery, there is no distortion. The only liberty I have taken is to divide the player population into adult and junior for the purpose of comparison, everything else is standard.

The average is not meaningless, it is exactly what it says. It is a limited term which everyone understands and there can be no confusion about what the average is. It's very clever for you to demonstrate how an average is calculated, but we all already knew how to do that.

Do not pretend an average is anything more or less than it is. Averages are used as a legitimate way to present all types of information. Be a man Bill, and stop this stupid silliness. Accept the information gratiously, for goodness sake, so that we can all be adult about this thing. For once things are actually moving somewhat in your direction, you can build on this, see it as an opportunity.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 05:01 PM
Bill, you can't keep deriding the use of an average term.
I can when its used in a misleading mannnnnner.


We all know what average means, there is no hidden mystique, we're all aware of variability within populations, an average is the mean, nothing more, nothing less. I use the average term in the normal statistical way, there is no chicanery, there is no distortion. The only liberty I have taken is to divide the player population into adult and junior for the purpose of comparison, everything else is standard.
We all know what an average is.
You extrapolated data from the average to draw a conclusion that is not justified.


The average is not meaningless, it is exactly what it says. It is a limited term which everyone understands and there can be no confusion about what the average is. It's very clever for you to demonstrate how an average is calculated, but we all already knew how to do that.
If you did then you wouldnt be drawing your useless conclusions.


Do not pretend an average is anything more or less than it is. Averages are used as a legitimate way to present all types of information.
You are the one who is making the average out to be more than what it is.
I'm just pointing out that using the averages in the way you have is useless.


Be a man Bill, and stop this stupid silliness.
Be a man and stop posting useless information.


Accept the information gratiously, for goodness sake, so that we can all be adult about this thing. For once things are actually moving somewhat in your direction, you can build on this, see it as an opportunity.
I see none of your figures as an opportunity, other than to show the folly of them.

Cat
08-12-2004, 05:26 PM
You are the one who is making the avergae out to be more than what they are.
I'm just pointing out that using the averages in the way you have is useless.

Now I'll tell you whats silly - RD, now thats about as useless as an Alexander Downer in a diplomacy debate. Lets look at Starters question about the chances of a 3 players in 1 competition beating players 700+ pts above their rating. Now RD is equivalent to SD, and given an average RD of around 100 for the 3 players, that means their performances fell outside 7 SD's of their rating mean. Now statistically that gives a p<0.0001 or so. Now for that to happen 3 times, well I'm not saying its not possible, it can be said to be entirely consistant with the rating system -but we shouldn't expect to see a repeat for another couple of centuries. I guess it's a little more likely than a sperm whale changing into a bunch of pertunias, about as likely that I'll be playing centre-forward for Wales in the next World Cup, but many more times more likely than Mark Latham being the next prime minister of Australia.

So when it comes to useless stakes, maybe we should look in our own back yard before we start throwing mud around.

Cat
08-12-2004, 05:32 PM
I can when its used in a misleading mannnnnner.


We all know what an average is.
You extrapolated data from the average to draw a conclusion that is not justified.


If you did then you wouldnt be drawing your useless conclusions.


You are the one who is making the average out to be more than what it is.
I'm just pointing out that using the averages in the way you have is useless.


.
And what precisely was the conclusion I drew? As far as I can see, I drew no conclusions at all, I just simply presented the figures. I didn't comment on them other than they seemed better than previous periods. I think you're the one drawing false conclusions, buddy.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 05:49 PM
And what precisely was the conclusion I drew? As far as I can see, I drew no conclusions at all, I just simply presented the figures. I didn't comment on them other than they seemed better than previous periods. I think you're the one drawing false conclusions, buddy.
You made unsupportable assumptions.
There was no basis to assume their participation rates would be the same in the following 3 periods. You did likewise for the rating changes.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 05:55 PM
Now I'll tell you whats silly - RD, now thats about as useless as an Alexander Downer in a diplomacy debate. Lets look at Starters question about the chances of a 3 players in 1 competition beating players 700+ pts above their rating.
Which exact three games are you referring to.
Please specify thread and post number.

Cat
08-12-2004, 05:56 PM
You made unsupportable assumptions.
There was no basis to assume their participation rates would be the same in the following 3 periods. You did likewise for the rating changes.

I did that because I knew the information previously. Besides, that was only in respose to Barry's question. OK, I withdraw all assumptions I made about the data, it's just simply raw data.

Cat
08-12-2004, 05:57 PM
Which exact three games are you referring to.
Please specify thread and post number.

You'd have to ask Starter that one.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 06:04 PM
I did that because I knew the information previously.
And I previously demonstrated your use of average figures was useless in the Underated Juniors thread.


Besides, that was only in respose to Barry's question.
No it wasnt.
You posted your extrapolated figures based on averages regarding tratin points in post #54 of this thread. You posted extrapolated game numbers in post #56. Barry queried the use of the numbers in post #57.


OK, I withdraw all assumptions I made about the data, it's just simply raw data.
Thank you, but it would have been better not to have posted your extrapolations in the first place.

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2004, 06:07 PM
You'd have to ask Starter that one.
No, I'm asking you.
You just stated there was a 700 point difference for three players as mentioned by starter.
If that is a true statement then you must have read it in a post on this BB by starter.
As such quote the relevant post.

Cat
08-12-2004, 06:13 PM
You posted your extrapolated figures based on averages regarding tratin points in post #54 of this thread. You posted extrapolated game numbers in post #56. Barry queried the use of the numbers in post #57.



Ok I've removed all the extrapolations and retracted all assumptions, just raw data.

Cat
08-12-2004, 06:16 PM
No, I'm asking you.
You just stated there was a 700 point difference for three players as mentioned by starter.
If that is a true statement then you must have read it in a post on this BB by starter.
As such quote the relevant post.

Then you're asking the wrong person, aren't you? I read it some months ago and I sure as hell am not going to search Starter's corpulent body of posts.

ursogr8
08-12-2004, 06:22 PM
You'd have to ask Starter that one.

Dr.
We are an hour ahead of you down here in Mexico, but even that would not have helped me slowing down this post of yours. Listen mate, I am not sure I can back you up. And with Bill on the other side of the ring, I am not even sure I want to be a tagger.

Can you recall where I am supposed to have posted this? Perhaps round 1 of the VIC OPEN. Or an interclub round? Tell you what ...I will scout around amongst my posts...but there are an awful lot of them ...(dam.n, that doesn't sound like I wanted it to).

Hey Bill...how good are you with that 'search is your friend function'? Any ideas?

starter

Cat
08-12-2004, 06:26 PM
Dr.
We are an hour ahead of you down here in Mexico, but even that would not have helped me slowing down this post of yours. Listen mate, I am not sure I can back you up. And with Bill on the other side of the ring, I am not even sure I want to be a tagger.

Can you recall where I am supposed to have posted this? Perhaps round 1 of the VIC OPEN. Or an interclub round? Tell you what ...I will scout around amongst my posts...but there are an awful lot of them ...(dam.n, that dosn't sound like I wanted it to).

Hey Bill...how good are you with that 'search is your friend function'? Any ideas?

starter

I think it may have been re the Nell Van der Graff, but no matter, I'll retract that too. RD is really cool.

frogmogdog
08-12-2004, 08:15 PM
actually, i agree with DR that the briz/gold coast junior ratings are still a bit depressed. but the situation has definitely improved with glicko and the tweaks.

one thing i notice is that the strongest kids tend to have lower rapid ratings than standard ones. (whereas the weaker kids tend to have higher rapid ratings than standard because they don't play enough standard tournaments.)

i just quickly checked the ratings of 5 top SE Qld juniors - phachara, moulthun, toshi, casey and ben l.

unless i got my tables muddled (which is possible), all have higher standard than rapid ratings and i think most people would agree this is a little strange given their age. i know in moulthun's case, for one, that the shorter the time limit, the stronger he gets.

but i'm not sure how much this matters, i don't think the kids are that worried -- but perhaps DR is right that it's stopping some adults playing rapid tournaments, and i wouldn't be surprised if the ones that do regularly have lowish rapid ratings.

Alan Shore
08-12-2004, 09:50 PM
but i'm not sure how much this matters, i don't think the kids are that worried -- but perhaps DR is right that it's stopping some adults playing rapid tournaments, and i wouldn't be surprised if the ones that do regularly have lowish rapid ratings.

I know a friend of mine recently got punished in a GC rapid tournament.

[Alex]: Normal: 1752. Rapid: 1103.

JGB
08-12-2004, 09:54 PM
Is Australia the only country where a seperate rating list for rapid tournaments is kept? I have never heard of this in Europe that's all. It must be quite an extra strain on rating maintainance.

Garvinator
08-12-2004, 10:18 PM
I know a friend of mine recently got punished in a GC rapid tournament.

[Alex]: Normal: 1752. Rapid: 1103.
alex played to his current rapid rating standard :lol: :lol:

Cat
08-12-2004, 10:42 PM
Is Australia the only country where a seperate rating list for rapid tournaments is kept? I have never heard of this in Europe that's all. It must be quite an extra strain on rating maintainance.

Yes we have rapid, standard and state junior, an unnecessry duplication of effort given our resources are spread so thinly.

Bill Gletsos
09-12-2004, 12:21 AM
Is Australia the only country where a seperate rating list for rapid tournaments is kept? I have never heard of this in Europe that's all. It must be quite an extra strain on rating maintainance.
The USA runs a seperate rapid list.
FIDE has also experimented with a rapid list.

Bill Gletsos
09-12-2004, 12:25 AM
Dr.
We are an hour ahead of you down here in Mexico, but even that would not have helped me slowing down this post of yours. Listen mate, I am not sure I can back you up. And with Bill on the other side of the ring, I am not even sure I want to be a tagger.
Wise decision on your part. ;)


Can you recall where I am supposed to have posted this? Perhaps round 1 of the VIC OPEN. Or an interclub round? Tell you what ...I will scout around amongst my posts...but there are an awful lot of them ...(dam.n, that doesn't sound like I wanted it to).

Hey Bill...how good are you with that 'search is your friend function'? Any ideas?

There is no real way that search will help for finding those sort of posts.

Bill Gletsos
09-12-2004, 12:27 AM
I think it may have been re the Nell Van der Graff, but no matter, I'll retract that too. RD is really cool.
Yes why would starter be referring to the Nell Van der Graff event from QLD.

Alan Shore
09-12-2004, 12:33 AM
Yes we have rapid, standard and state junior, an unnecessry duplication of effort given our resources are spread so thinly.

Hey don't go knocking the Rapid ratings. I was the one who suggested the idea to then ACF President Graeme Gardiner as we kept getting ridiculous results at the old Gold Coast Masters events that were not representative of normal ratings in the slightest.

JGB
09-12-2004, 12:40 AM
...that were not representative of normal ratings in the slightest.

not in the slightest??? I think youll find thats wrong, there is a correlation between the two, not so fine but it must exist.

Alan Shore
09-12-2004, 12:55 AM
not in the slightest??? I think youll find thats wrong, there is a correlation between the two, not so fine but it must exist.

Yeah yeah, some exaggeration to be sure but even so we're talking multiple instances of performances +-400 points at least.

JGB
09-12-2004, 01:37 AM
Yeah yeah, some exaggeration to be sure but even so we're talking multiple instances of performances +-400 points at least.

You start wondering if these blokes are playing the same game in rapid and normal time frames? :D

Bill Gletsos
12-12-2004, 02:49 PM
Is Australia the only country where a seperate rating list for rapid tournaments is kept? I have never heard of this in Europe that's all. It must be quite an extra strain on rating maintainance.
Previously I mentioned the USA as an example of a country running a rapid list.

A more relevant answer with regards Europe would have been the Britsh Chess Federation.

Alan Shore
17-12-2004, 04:37 PM
Bill, can you tell me why Walter Browne isn't on the ACF master list?

Bill Gletsos
17-12-2004, 05:11 PM
Bill, can you tell me why Walter Browne isn't on the ACF master list?
Browne was not on the 1983 Master file.
I would assume that a previous ratings officer deleted known non residents back before 1983.
Graham Saint and I deleted the Polgars amongst others from the list around prior to April 2000.

ursogr8
17-12-2004, 08:19 PM
Bill

I know I have asked this before...but I have forgotten the answer.
Can we plebs get access to a ratings file without the !! etc being appended to the digits in the rating field? That is show them as a separate column. We would like the capability to sort by rating.

tks
starter

Rincewind
17-12-2004, 08:24 PM
I know I have asked this before...but I have forgotten the answer.
Can we plebs get access to a ratings file without the !! etc being appended to the digits in the rating field? That is show them as a separate column. We would like the capability to sort by rating.

Cut and paste it into Excel.
Delete the first column induced by the leading TAB.
Highlight the column with all the data and select Data->Text to columns.
When setting up the fixed width columns Excel will pick up all the column boundaries except the one between rating and RD. Just insert a column boundary in there manually and Robert's your mother's brother.

ursogr8
18-12-2004, 12:11 PM
Cut and paste it into Excel.
Delete the first column induced by the leading TAB.
Highlight the column with all the data and select Data->Text to columns.
When setting up the fixed width columns Excel will pick up all the column boundaries except the one between rating and RD. Just insert a column boundary in there manually and Robert's your mother's brother.

Baz
In what is a first, I have followed two pieces of advice
> Rob said RTFM
>> BC said ^^ (quote above).

And guess what, it worked :eek: .
I got the data sorted as I sought.

I could get to master this techo. stuff.


I read a bit further in the manual and it kept talking about ANY KEY. However, I can't see it on this laptop; perhaps left off to save weight?

tks, btw,
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