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Redmond Barry
11-04-2015, 07:52 AM
Thought and choice in chess - Adrian De Groot, Mounton and Co, 1965

I was just wondering if anybody has ever read this book or could recommend a similar title as amazon lists it between $100.38 - $276.31 and I cant see myself buying it.

A brief synopsis - "What does a chessmaster think when he prepares his next move? How are his thoughts organized? Which methods and strategies does he use by solving his problem of choice? To answer these questions, the author did an experimental study in 1938, to which famous chessmasters participated (Alekhine, Max Euwe and Flohr). This book is still usefull for everybody who studies cognition and artificial intelligence."

Cheers,
Bubbles.

Patrick Byrom
11-04-2015, 04:56 PM
Thought and choice in chess - Adrian De Groot, Mounton and Co, 1965

I was just wondering if anybody has ever read this book or could recommend a similar title as amazon lists it between $100.38 - $276.31 and I cant see myself buying it.

A brief synopsis - "What does a chessmaster think when he prepares his next move? How are his thoughts organized? Which methods and strategies does he use by solving his problem of choice? To answer these questions, the author did an experimental study in 1938, to which famous chessmasters participated (Alekhine, Max Euwe and Flohr). This book is still usefull for everybody who studies cognition and artificial intelligence."

Cheers,
Bubbles.
I have a second-hand copy of the book, but I've only had a brief look through it. It is interesting, but fairly dry.

I'd recommend researching this on the web, where there is plenty of free information - this website (http://www.chess.com/article/view/the-cognitive-psychology-of-chess?page=1), or this one (http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/complexity-and-the-ten-thousand-hour-rule), for example.

Redmond Barry
11-04-2015, 06:15 PM
I have a second-hand copy of the book, but I've only had a brief look through it. It is interesting, but fairly dry.

I'd recommend researching this on the web, where there is plenty of free information - this website (http://www.chess.com/article/view/the-cognitive-psychology-of-chess?page=1), or this one (http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/complexity-and-the-ten-thousand-hour-rule), for example.

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the informative chess.com link. Im not quite sure what type of subtle instruction I am looking for, but it would seem that the most important point from the information you have referenced and that which I have been browsing recently is that efficiency of calculation is increased with ones ability to memorise an adequate body of patterns to minimise the strain of calculating lengthy and accurate sequences.

Hardly a revelation, but an interesting subject to have browsed.

BTW, looks like my haste has resulted in myself overlooking this particular google result which has the entire book in e-format - http://dare.uva.nl/cgi/arno/show.cgi?fid=131466

Patrick Byrom
11-04-2015, 09:23 PM
Hi Patrick,
Thanks for the informative chess.com link. Im not quite sure what type of subtle instruction I am looking for, but it would seem that the most important point from the information you have referenced and that which I have been browsing recently is that efficiency of calculation is increased with ones ability to memorise an adequate body of patterns to minimise the strain of calculating lengthy and accurate sequences.
Hardly a revelation, but an interesting subject to have browsed.
BTW, looks like my haste has resulted in myself overlooking this particular google result which has the entire book in e-format - http://dare.uva.nl/cgi/arno/show.cgi?fid=131466
I'm glad it was helpful - although I didn't think of looking for de Groot's work as an e-book.

I think pattern recognition mainly helps you realise what calculations to actually carry out. For example, if you recognise a pattern (like a possible 'Greek Gift' sacrifice), you know to focus your calculations on that.

Kerry Stead
11-04-2015, 09:40 PM
I'm not at home, so don't have an immediate reference to my books, but the De Groot method & positions are referenced in a number of other chess books.
The ones that come to mind immediately are:
The Improving Chess Thinker (http://www.amazon.com/The-Improving-Chess-Thinker-Heisman/dp/0979148243) by Dan Heisman
Inside the Chess Mind (http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Chess-Mind-Players-Levels/dp/1857443578) by Jacob Aagaard
De Groot also gets mentioned in the following books:
Move First, Think Later (http://www.amazon.com/Move-First-Think-Later-Improving/dp/9056913980) by Willy Hendricks
I'm also pretty sure that Andrew Soltis mentions de Groot's work in a few places, but I'm not sure where these are exactly.

Redmond Barry
11-04-2015, 09:57 PM
I'm not at home, so don't have an immediate reference to my books, but the De Groot method & positions are referenced in a number of other chess books.
The ones that come to mind immediately are:
The Improving Chess Thinker (http://www.amazon.com/The-Improving-Chess-Thinker-Heisman/dp/0979148243) by Dan Heisman
Inside the Chess Mind (http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Chess-Mind-Players-Levels/dp/1857443578) by Jacob Aagaard
De Groot also gets mentioned in the following books:
Move First, Think Later (http://www.amazon.com/Move-First-Think-Later-Improving/dp/9056913980) by Willy Hendricks
I'm also pretty sure that Andrew Soltis mentions de Groot's work in a few places, but I'm not sure where these are exactly.

Thanks for that Kerry.

The reason why I am interested in the De Groot book is because it is mentioned in a "Blindfold Chess" section at Chesspublishing.com. I am not interested in the blindfold aspect so much, more so using it as a tool to create more accuracy and speed in visualisation whilst calculating.

I will check out those titles mentioned.

Cheers.

MichaelBaron
17-04-2015, 10:59 AM
Should not forget good old ''Think like a Grandmaster'' by Kotov

Adamski
17-04-2015, 08:23 PM
Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the informative chess.com link. Im not quite sure what type of subtle instruction I am looking for, but it would seem that the most important point from the information you have referenced and that which I have been browsing recently is that efficiency of calculation is increased with ones ability to memorise an adequate body of patterns to minimise the strain of calculating lengthy and accurate sequences.

Hardly a revelation, but an interesting subject to have browsed.

BTW, looks like my haste has resulted in myself overlooking this particular google result which has the entire book in e-format - http://dare.uva.nl/cgi/arno/show.cgi?fid=131466

Thanks for the link, Bubbles. I have downloaded the e-book.

MichaelBaron
25-11-2015, 09:54 AM
De Groot book is an interesting read (was looking at extracts from it today)...but certainly would not buy it at this price :)

Ian Rout
26-11-2015, 11:04 AM
De Groot book is an interesting read (was looking at extracts from it today)...but certainly would not buy it at this price :)
Amazon seems to have some algorithm along the lines that if a book was published some time ago and isn't selling much (and possibly stocks are low) they imagine it to have become rare and collectible and hike the price. Hence a 2001 book on an opening will have a higher price than a recent work on the same opening. For instance, "Beating the Anti-Sicilians" by Gallagher, published 1994, is listed at $39.24 (US) while the more substantial "Experts on the Anti-Sicilians" (various authors) from 2011 is $24.25.

I would guess the curator of their chess collection is not a chess player, or is a computer.

FM_Bill
04-12-2015, 01:53 PM
The is a review of some software inspired by De Groots experiment here.

http://www.chess-tuition.com/chessmemory.html