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Capablanca-Fan
15-12-2013, 09:54 AM
Five myths about global Christian persecution (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/10/five-myths-about-global-christian-persecution/)
By Timothy Samuel Shah, December 10, 2013

Most of these victims will continue to be ignored, however, as long as five myths continue to cloud popular thinking about global Christian persecution. Based on an abundance of new evidence, the experts in Rome will show that the myths don't stand up to the facts.

Myth 1. Just a phenomenon in the Middle East. …

Myth 2. Christians aren't greatly impacted. …

Myth 3. Ramifications are just cultural. …

Myth 4. Christianity has been a net nuisance, bringing persecution onto itself. It's often assumed that Christian missionaries and proselytizers invite persecution. But the fact is that Christians have made longstanding and unique contributions to their societies. Christians may proselytize. But even more often their faith motivates them to build hospitals, serve the poor, educate children, and aid victims of disaster. There is statistical evidence that regions of the world that have welcomed these kinds of Christian efforts have reaped enormous economic, political, and social benefits

Myth 5. It couldn't happen here. A common myth is that it is just fear-mongering to imagine that Christians and other religious groups could suffer serious restrictions in Western countries. …

Timothy Samuel Shah is Associate Director and Scholar-in-Residence at the Religious Freedom Project, Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs at Georgetown University.

Rincewind
15-12-2013, 10:10 AM
Most of these victims will continue to be ignored, however, as long as five myths continue to cloud popular thinking about global Christian persecution. Based on an abundance of new evidence, the experts in Rome will show that the myths don't stand up to the facts.

Never thought I'd see the day when Jono was citing "experts in Rome".

Kevin Bonham
15-12-2013, 11:54 AM
Myth 5 is threadbare on the evidence front in the linked article to say the least. The one case it cites explicitly involves Hobby Lobby, a religious arts and crafts store that is objecting to being required to cover emergency contraception in health insurance plans for its employees. It does puzzle me that the US requires companies to pay for health insurance plans that cover expenses unrelated to work, but that's their system. I suppose an Australian analogy might be if a company indicates it has a moral objection to paying its employees any portion of a wage that might be spent on abortion, and therefore wants to place a no-abortion clause on its workforce. That would of course be illegal in Australia and it is hardly an unreasonable persecution of religion that it is so.

Desmond
15-12-2013, 12:26 PM
With some 300,000+ churches in the USA, you shouldn't have far to run to find shelter from the burning torches and pitchforks Jono. Probably can hardly throw a stone without hitting the side of one.

antichrist
15-12-2013, 07:51 PM
Jono from abov:
Myth 4. Christianity has been a net nuisance, bringing persecution onto itself. It's often assumed that Christian missionaries and proselytizers invite persecution. But the fact is that Christians have made longstanding and unique contributions to their societies. Christians may proselytize. But even more often their faith motivates them to build hospitals, serve the poor, educate children, and aid victims of disaster. There is statistical evidence that regions of the world that have welcomed these kinds of Christian efforts have reaped enormous economic, political, and social benefits

AC
now Jono what about native South American communities where Christians, for the purpose of spreading stupid superstition, infected whole tribes with diseases they had never had exposure to previously, so they died like flies. And they knowingly do it coz the science has been in for decades on it.

antichrist
15-12-2013, 07:54 PM
And Jono, your Roman Church in the Philippines has taken the Govt to highest court in an attempt to stop Reproduction Health Bill, that allows abortion and contraception in certain circumstances. Without that Bill millions more of poverty stricken children will be born. With little education, trade, capital, food, medicine etc - and many of the ladies will end up in brothels for first world males. That is what you are consigning them to.

Capablanca-Fan
27-12-2013, 12:47 PM
A grim outlook for Christianity (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/a-grim-outlook-for-christianity/story-e6frg71x-1226789792143)
THE AUSTRALIAN DECEMBER 26, 2013

RESEARCH showing Christianity is now the most widely persecuted religious group in the world should be an urgent wake-up call to all who value the principles of religious freedom and tolerance enshrined in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted 65 years ago this month. Indeed, Christianity could, after 2000 years, be facing the threat of extinction in its birthplace in the Middle East.

The outlook is unremittingly grim for Christians in many parts of the world. In some of the darker corners, there are Christians for whom attending a church service is no longer an act of faithful witness but, as British Labour MP Douglas Alexander has succinctly put it, "an act of life-risking bravery".

At last count, according to the Pew Research Centre, religious groups faced harassment in 160 countries. Christians were the targets in by far the largest number of them.

Rincewind
27-12-2013, 05:01 PM
At last count, according to the Pew Research Centre, religious groups faced harassment in 160 countries. Christians were the targets in by far the largest number of them.

Sounds like a very suspect statistic. Since small sovereign states are more likely to be of the non Christian kind it doesn't say anything about the number of Christian facing persecution for their belief.

Also the bigger problem for the Christians is the dwindling market share in the large secular countries where little no persecution is evident. When people are staying away from churches in larger droves than ever before that is when "extinction" is an issue. Although Christianity will never be completely dead, not for a long time anyway. There is no doubt it is seen as increasingly irrelevant in secular western democracies.

antichrist
27-12-2013, 05:40 PM
The Christians in Palestine certainly feel that they are persecuted and with good reason.

Desmond
08-01-2014, 12:55 PM
Hot cross buns on sale in first week of January
(http://www.canberratimes.com.au/queensland/hot-cross-buns-on-sale-in-first-week-of-january-20140102-30796.html)

ER
08-01-2014, 01:25 PM
Hot cross buns on sale in first week of January
(http://www.canberratimes.com.au/queensland/hot-cross-buns-on-sale-in-first-week-of-january-20140102-30796.html)


lol maybe that Palestinian diplomat who took the tools of the trade in the office and blew himself up bought some of them for his last supper! :P

antichrist
09-01-2014, 11:52 AM
lol maybe that Palestinian diplomat who took the tools of the trade in the office and blew himself up bought some of them for his last supper! :P

at least he died for a just cause

Capablanca-Fan
02-02-2014, 02:03 AM
We must stand up for Middle East's persecuted Christians (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/31/must-stand-up-for-middle-east-persecuted-christians/)
By Johnnie Moore, January 31, 2014

Christianity began in the East, not the West, yet today Christians in the East are enduring an all-out-assault by Islamic terrorists, while Christians in the West live their lives largely oblivious to it all. This has to change.

This is no imaginary persecution; in Syria alone there have been reports of kidnappings, Christian communities intentionally displaced by militants and, worst of all, shootings and beheadings of Christians who refused to convert to Islam.

In Egypt radicals have recently destroyed dozens of churches, and the once vibrant Christian population in Iraq has been decimated.

See, what most American Christians don’t realize is that the “Islamic World” was once the Christian world. Some of the most well-known and influential leaders in the early church hailed from North Africa and the Middle East – like the warring theologians Athanasius and Arius, and the apologist Tertullian. It was for the library in Alexandria that the preeminent Greek version of the Torah (the “Septuagint”) was commissioned.

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Capablanca-Fan
16-08-2014, 02:15 PM
Why don't we hear about persecuted Christians? (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-01/moore-why-dont-we-hear-about-persecuted-christians/5641390)
By Natasha Moore, The Drum, 1 Aug 2014

Christians are persecuted in 139 nations around the world; it is estimated that up to four out of five acts of religious discrimination worldwide are directed against them. Countries that were previously moderate or avowedly secular have stepped up their hostility to Christians, such as Turkey, where over the last century the Christian presence has dwindled from 32% of the population to a tiny minority of 0.15 per cent. The Copts in Egypt, who have been continually present almost since the founding of Christianity, have long endured severe social, political and economic discrimination and in the wake of the Arab Spring have increasingly been the victims of mob violence, forced removals and the abduction of their girls and women who are then made to marry Muslim men.

Once you scratch the surface, it isn't difficult to multiply examples, whether in communist, post-communist, Muslim or South Asian countries. Yet so few of these stories filter through to the "Christian" West.

Kevin Bonham
25-08-2014, 10:45 AM
This supposedly ignored issue got an extensive airing from the supposedly left/secular ABC last night, with a lengthy and very sympathetic item very early in the Sunday news about persecution of Christians by the Islamic State scumbags.

antichrist
25-08-2014, 10:58 AM
I met a Christian Palestinian last night, from a rich and educated family with large land holdings in Palestine, be is most upset because just a few weeks ago the family land was confiscated. If he was from a certain other religion this would not have happened. He wanted to make a replica of Bethlehem for Christian pilgrims with all funds going to charity. Now his relos are in no-man's land. Not sure which thread to put in, sorry if wrong one

Actually when I have a second think about it, the persecution of Christians in other lands could also be a land grab in disguise.

Capablanca-Fan
23-10-2016, 01:09 PM
Unprecedented: Hungary Opens Office for Persecuted Christians (http://www.meforum.org/6327/hungary-persecuted-christians)
by Raymond Ibrahim, FrontPage Magazine, 14 October 2016

The nation of Hungary recently did something that is as unprecedented as it is commonsensical and humanitarian: it "has become the first government to open an office specifically to address the persecution of Christians in the Middle East and Europe."

Zoltan Balog, Hungary's Minister for Human Resources, explained:


Today, Christianity has become the most persecuted religion, where out of five people killed [for] religious reasons, four of them are Christians. In 81 countries around the world, Christians are persecuted, and 200 million Christians live in areas where they are discriminated against. Millions of Christian lives are threatened by followers of radical religious ideologies.

"Followers of radical religious ideologies" is of course code for Muslims—they who are responsible for the overwhelming majority of Christian persecution in the world (http://raymondibrahim.com/2016/03/07/muslims-claim-lions-share-of-christian-victims/).

Most recently a report (http://national.deseretnews.com/article/20090/growing-concern-for-german-churches-muslim-refugees-harassing-christians.html)found that 88% of the 231 Christian refugees interviewed in Germany have suffered religiously motivated persecution in the form of insults, death threats, and sexual assaults. Some were pressured to convert to Islam. "I really didn't know that after coming to Germany I would be harassed because of my faith in the very same way as back in Iran," one Christian refugee said. "These are not isolated cases. I don't know of any refugee shelter from Garmisch to Hamburg where we have not found such cases," said a German authority.

Is persecuting religious minorities the behavior of people who are in need of a sympathetic welcome by Europeans and Americans? Or is this behavior yet another reminder that it is non-Muslims from the Middle East who are truly in need of sanctuary?

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In fact, it's the opposite: report after report has shown that in Western nations persecuted Christians are "at the bottom of the heap" of refugees to be granted asylum (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11846651/Lord-Carey-Britain-has-a-duty-to-rescue-Syrias-Christians.html). Despite the U.S. government's acknowledgement that ISIS is committing genocide against Christians in Syria (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8161/obama-refugee-policy), the Obama administration has taken in 5,435 Muslims, but only 28 Christians (http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-admin-accepting-only-28-christians-vs-5435-muslim-refugees-despite-isis-genocide-of-believers-165204/#wVp5FlKqIBYWR00M.99)—even though Christians are approximately 10 percent of Syria's population; in other words, to be on the same ratio with Muslims, at least 500 Christians should've been granted asylum, not 28.

There are even some benefits in taking in Mideast Christians instead of Muslims. Christians are easily assimilated in Western countries, due to the shared Christian heritage. Muslims follow a completely different blueprint, Islamic law, or Sharia—which condemns and calls for constant war (jihad) against all non-Muslims, and advocates any number of distinctly anti-Western practices (female subjugation and sex slavery, death for blasphemers and apostates, etc.). Hence it's no surprise that many Muslim asylum seekers are anti-Western at heart—or, as the German police union chief recently said, Muslim migrants "despise our country and laugh at our justice."

ER
10-04-2017, 08:38 AM
Meanwhile in Egypt

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39548645

ER
27-05-2017, 05:39 AM
and again in Egypt

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40059307

Capablanca-Fan
27-05-2017, 05:55 AM
↑↑ Atrocious! Of course, the Left don't care about the mass murders of Christians—unless they can exploit them to claim that Western discrimination against Christians is not nearly as bad as that in the Middle East.

Rincewind
27-05-2017, 11:11 AM
↑↑ Atrocious! Of course, the Left don't care about the mass murders of Christians—unless they can exploit them to claim that Western discrimination against Christians is not nearly as bad as that in the Middle East.

So you consider Copts Christians but yet consider the mostly Lutheran population of 1930s Germany as non-Crhistian?

Capablanca-Fan
27-05-2017, 11:19 AM
So you consider Copts Christians but yet consider the mostly Lutheran population of 1930s Germany as non-Crhistian?

Of course. The German church was infested with liberalism, except for the anti-Nazi Confessing Church.

Rincewind
27-05-2017, 11:40 AM
Of course. The German church was infested with liberalism, except for the anti-Nazi Confessing Church.

You're good for a laugh at least Jono.

Kevin Bonham
27-05-2017, 12:00 PM
↑↑ Atrocious! Of course, the Left don't care about the mass murders of Christians—unless they can exploit them to claim that Western discrimination against Christians is not nearly as bad as that in the Middle East.

I find the news of these ethnocidal attacks to be similarly sad to the news of the pointless attacks on random innocents in Manchester.

However there is no net Western discrimination against Christians, at least not in Australia. What you call discrimination against Christians refers to things like 18C that may impact upon certain extreme expressions of supposedly religious views, and not against Christians per se. But in fact the same positions that may be tripped up by anti-discrimination law continue to enjoy massive discrimination in their favour through their illiberal political influence on the laws of the land in areas such as same-sex marriage, euthanasia, abortion (still illegal on demand in Queensland) and censorship.

Patrick Byrom
16-12-2019, 10:17 PM
Sad to see Israel restricting religious freedom (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/israel-s-shameful-restrictions-on-christian-gazans-1.8268525):

Gaza’s Christian community numbers around 1,200 people. This year, 951 of them asked Israel for permission to leave the Strip and go to Bethlehem and Jerusalem in order to meet with relatives and attend Christmas Mass. But whereas in previous years between 300 and 500 people were given exit permits — some to Jordan and a few dozen to Bethlehem and elsewhere in the West Bank — this year the coordinator of government activity in the territories, Maj. Gen. Kamil Abu Rokon, issued only 100 permits, restricted to adults aged 45 and up. Moreover, as reported by Jack Khoury in Haaretz, these 100 lucky people were told that they would be allowed to travel abroad via the Allenby Bridge border crossing but not to visit the West Bank, where Christian holy sites are located, particularly Bethlehem, the primary place of worship for Palestinian Christians.