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antichrist
31-03-2013, 04:51 PM
Jesus was a God for all peoples, as many Bible verses show. Start with John 3:16.

what is use being a god for all peoples when it lets them die by the millions ion the most terrible of conditions - your god is an [snip-mod] as far as I am concerned for letting that happen when it has the power to prevent it. A cruel cotempteous god. Better there be no god than one like that. Darwin has got god off the hook.

Adamski
31-03-2013, 10:57 PM
Bad things happen because of original sin. Man is fallen until he (or she) finds Jesus as Saviour. But it's all been argued before on the "Does God Exist" thread.

antichrist
31-03-2013, 11:07 PM
Bad things happen because of original sin. Man is fallen until he (or she) finds Jesus as Saviour. But it's all been argued before on the "Does God Exist" thread.

The Filipinos found Jesus 500 years ago but were still wiped out by Japanese during WW2

Kevin Bonham
31-03-2013, 11:33 PM
Bad things happen because of original sin.

In other words God is justified in punishing everybody because Adam made the odd faux pas? Moreover, the only way out is to worship the God who behaves in this way, and even then bad things remain likely to happen in this life but supposedly it all gets sorted out some other time?

Can you see how rational people who start from a viewpoint outside yours might consider such an approach absurd, unjust, warped, intimidatory, ridiculous and above all a cop-out?

Adamski
01-04-2013, 10:55 AM
God doesn't punish people. People make choices and sometimes make the wrong ones. Of course, there are many books on this, e.g. C S Lewis The Problem of Pain, John Dickson, If I Were God I'd End all the Pain, and books co-authored by Jono S.

antichrist
01-04-2013, 12:43 PM
God doesn't punish people. People make choices and sometimes make the wrong ones. Of course, there are many books on this, e.g. C S Lewis The Problem of Pain, John Dickson, If I Were God I'd End all the Pain, and books co-authored by Jono S.

Stalin had fervent Christians Siberiaed so what mistake of choice did they make? Can you guarantee them a clear path to Heaven? If you cannot then they would have been better becoming atheist or socialist/commo

Kevin Bonham
01-04-2013, 01:17 PM
God doesn't punish people.

Well of course not because God doesn't exist. But the hypothetical God of your account has the option of preventing the "bad things" from happening - an option which God would be in no way harmed or put out by exercising - and declines to exercise it on account of something for which humans are supposedly collectively accountable or deserving of withholding of reward. If that is not "punishment" then the word "punishment" has no meaning.

And it is nothing to do with choice because humans may suffer no matter what choice they make and irrespective of whether those choice was objectively the best one. Unless you are pushing the line that the fundamental problem is the choice not to "follow God" in the first place, and the fundamental problem with that is that not only is there no reliable evidence that such a choice even works but also there is no evidence at all that all or even most humans can choose their beliefs.

antichrist
06-07-2013, 09:30 AM
God doesn't punish people. People make choices and sometimes make the wrong ones. Of course, there are many books on this, e.g. C S Lewis The Problem of Pain, John Dickson, If I Were God I'd End all the Pain, and books co-authored by Jono S.

God punished Adam and EVe for eating a green Jonathan without washing first

Rincewind
06-07-2013, 10:29 AM
And it is nothing to do with choice because humans may suffer no matter what choice they make and irrespective of whether those choice was objectively the best one.

A concrete example of this is the Sandy Hook shooting. God could have prevented that by having the perp. discovered before shooting anyone. Or if he really wanted to make sure his existence was beyond question the gun could have miraculously changed to a snake or something. Either way it is hard to imagine a caring god not wanting to stop that senseless carnage. There were numerous innocent victims who died and ongoing emotional pain inflicted on the family of the completely innocent victims.

antichrist
06-07-2013, 10:46 AM
A concrete example of this is the Sandy Hook shooting. God could have prevented that by having the perp. discovered before shooting anyone. Or if he really wanted to make sure his existence was beyond question the gun could have miraculously changed to a snake or something. Either way it is hard to imagine a caring god not wanting to stop that senseless carnage. There were numerous innocent victims who died and ongoing emotional pain inflicted on the family of the completely innocent victims.`

A more concrete example was when building the Dooleys Catholic Club in Sydney the concrete floor above collapsed on the workers and killed a few and the poor guys ended up in concrete graves - maybe God's punishment because they were building a house of sin - a gambling den that was recently listed as one of the worst.