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GinoTHEstud
19-09-2012, 07:29 AM
Hi All

May as well get a thread going for this tournament. I heard Keong has the draw, if you kindly post it please.



thanks

BenHague
19-09-2012, 06:38 PM
I'd quite like to see the draw as well, although as Mark Noble can testify my preparation doesn't always involve looking at my own games against an opponent.

CivicChessMan
20-09-2012, 07:41 AM
Draw is available at http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/calendar.html

Masters field is GM Darryl Johansen, IM Gary Lane, IM Ben Hague, FM Bruce Watson, FM Ewen Green, FM Tim Reilly, Luke Li, IM Chan Peng Kong, FM Bob Smith and FM Mike Steadman.

Qualifiers field is Gino Thornton, Thorben Koop, John Duneas, Ivan Dordevic, Hans Gao, Roger Perry, Nathan Goodhue, Mathew King, Hilton Bennett and Justin Davis.

Keong Ang
20-09-2012, 02:16 PM
Draw is available at http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/calendar.html

Masters field is GM Darryl Johansen, IM Gary Lane, IM Ben Hague, FM Bruce Watson, FM Ewen Green, FM Tim Reilly, Luke Li, IM Chan Peng Kong, FM Bob Smith and FM Mike Steadman.

Qualifiers field is Gino Thornton, Thorben Koop, John Duneas, Ivan Dordevic, Hans Gao, Roger Perry, Nathan Goodhue, Mathew King, Hilton Bennett and Justin Davis.

Isn't Ben Hague still a FM?
Thought he's in to earn an IM norm.
;)

BenHague
20-09-2012, 04:48 PM
Is a CivicChessMan IM title the same as a FIDE IM title?

CivicChessMan
21-09-2012, 09:12 AM
My mistake, Ben is still a FM.

Adamski
21-09-2012, 07:24 PM
Go Hard!! .Go Gary!!!

Keong Ang
24-09-2012, 09:33 AM
Timetable for both George Trundle Masters & Qualifiers 2012.


Players Meeting 1.30pm Saturday 29th September 2012 NZST

Round 1 2pm Saturday 29th September 2012 NZST
Round 2 2pm Sunday 30th September 2012 NZDT
Round 3 1pm Monday 1st October 2012 NZDT
Round 4 2pm Tuesday 2nd October 2012 NZDT
Round 5 2pm Wednesday 3rd October 2012 NZDT
Round 6 2pm Thursday 4th October 2012 NZDT
Round 7 2pm Friday 5th October 2012 NZDT
Round 8 2pm Saturday 6th October 2012 NZDT
Round 9 11am Sunday 7th October 2012 NZDT

New Zealand goes into daylight saving (+13GMT) on Sunday 30th September 2012.
Note earlier start times for Round 3 and Round 9.

Rate of play:
90 minutes for the first 40 moves followed by 30 minutes for the rest
of the game with an addition of 30 seconds per move starting from move
one.

All 5 boards for the Masters tournament should be broadcast live. Details later.

FA Keong Ang
Chief Arbiter

GinoTHEstud
26-09-2012, 05:37 PM
why not have 1 of the reserve boards live on the net?
Start with the top seed ;) then follow the highest scoring reserve player.

I realize no one really wants to follow our patzer games. But they should be entertaining...

Walden
27-09-2012, 10:49 AM
why not have 1 of the reserve boards live on the net?
Start with the top seed ;) then follow the highest scoring reserve player.

I realize no one really wants to follow our patzer games. But they should be entertaining...


Yep make sure it is the German Boy Wonders games

Keong Ang
27-09-2012, 11:05 AM
Yep make sure it is the German Boy Wonders games

I'll be setting up the equipment Friday night.

All 5 Masters boards are the priority, the rest are nice to have optional extras.

I don't think there are enough working eboards, or even cabling to go around. Plus we need to have spare pieces to handle underpromotion on the eboards. So far, promotions hardly happen and when they do it has always been to Q. Not having available R, B & N piece would break the live broadcast.

There's also the complication that we have not tested to broadcast 2 tournaments concurrently.

BenHague
27-09-2012, 04:41 PM
Plus we need to have spare pieces to handle underpromotion on the eboards. So far, promotions hardly happen and when they do it has always been to Q. Not having available R, B & N piece would break the live broadcast.

Unless we have a Albin fan I don't imagine it's likely that we'd have an underpromotion before the relevant piece has been exchanged off on one of the other boards.

GinoTHEstud
28-09-2012, 05:08 AM
why the hell is the game on monday starting at 1:00. It makes no logical sense, even with day light saving. (which begins saturday night)The game should just start at 2:00 like every other day. It is even more confusing for the game to begin at one. There was nothing on the entry form or the information that was put up prior about the game on Sunday at 1:00.

Lets just ask what everyone thinks on Saturday.

Keong Ang
28-09-2012, 09:38 AM
why the hell is the game on monday starting at 1:00. It makes no logical sense, even with day light saving. (which begins saturday night)The game should just start at 2:00 like every other day. It is even more confusing for the game to begin at one. There was nothing on the entry form or the information that was put up prior about the game on Sunday at 1:00.

Lets just ask what everyone thinks on Saturday.

Logically, starting earlier makes even less sense when you account for daylight saving starting. ;)
Sunday's game still starts at 2pm.

Only exceptions to start times are:
Round 3 starts 1pm on Monday 1st October 2012.
Round 9 starts 11am on Sunday 7th October 2012.

Monday is Auckland Chess Centre's regular club night that starts at 7.30pm.
Earlier Monday start is to ensure games are over before hordes of regular club members arrive for their club games.
The situation would be quite bad if there are players who are completing their complicated games under time pressure.

Final round (round 9) 11am start is due to players having to catch flights that evening.

I don't know how I'll make it for 1pm start on Monday... and something would have to be worked out before then as to who's the backup arbiter until I arrive.
Hopefully not a problem as in past events the players never had disputes.

These start times were set by the organisers and if you wish to alter them, you'd need to get unanimous agreement from them and every player involved. Personally, I'd prefer a uniform 2pm start time, but hey, I'm just the arbiter!!! :whistle: :whistle:

GinoTHEstud
28-09-2012, 10:37 AM
thank you for your excellent and detailed explanation.

GinoTHEstud
28-09-2012, 11:31 AM
Yep make sure it is the German Boy Wonders games

I agree, he owned McLaren , totally out played Ben. Was sort of lucky against Mike. Mike was winning that.....

Keong Ang
28-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Just got back from setting up for the Trundles... and planning to chuck in the towel. :( :wall: :wall:

There will be no live games for the Qualifiers.
Hopefully the Masters games would all be live.

Discovered that ALL the NZCF's DGT XL clocks have been taken down to Palmerston North for the NZ Interschools.
Even the clocks (confirmed to work with the eboards) that were specifically kept apart from the rest of NZCF stock have been taken!! :eek: :eek:

I think I've managed to get the club's few DGT XL clocks to work with the 5 Masters boards. We'll find out when round1 starts.
Doubt it is a good idea to use clocks that have been blitzed for live broadcast games. Then again, these are desperate times.

At least we know where the priorities are for chess in NZ. The schoolchildren get to play with the best clocks, while the Masters play with beat up DGT XL clocks. The Qualifiers don't even get considered and have to use DGT 2000 clocks. All resources to the future generation!!
:confused: :eh: :lol: :lol:

Craig_Hall
28-09-2012, 10:39 PM
Eh, digital clocks is digital clocks - as long as they work without problems, they'll do.

Keong Ang
29-09-2012, 08:16 AM
Eh, digital clocks is digital clocks - as long as they work without problems, they'll do.
These clocks may not be reliable. They may have problems.

The DGT XL's may self reset partway through the game.
The DGT 2000's have been through repairs and have been reinforced to withstand the rigours of club games. But that makes them noisy, the clocks squeak or clank louder when pressed.

Wonder if these issues would qualify as "problems". Still, we've overcome bigger problems in the past so everything should work out.

peter_parr
29-09-2012, 09:04 AM
The original DGT XL clocks often blanked out in the middle of a game. DGT in fact recalled all it's early DGT XL clocks and they were replaced by a new correct version of the DGT XL. All clocks I imported into Australia and ones I had sold were returned to DGT Netherlands.

Some suppliers however did not return the faulty clocks to the supplier. One Doeberl Cup a number of years ago started with these faulty clocks causing considerable problems.

This fault however only applies to the original DGT XL which were recalled and
presumably NZ returned the faulty ones at that time to DGT Netherlands.

Peter Parr IO, IA.

Keong Ang
29-09-2012, 09:33 AM
The original DGT XL clocks often blanked out in the middle of a game. DGT in fact recalled all it's early DGT XL clocks and they were replaced by a new correct version of the DGT XL. All clocks I imported into Australia and ones I had sold were returned to DGT Netherlands.

Some suppliers however did not return the faulty clocks to the supplier. One Doeberl Cup a number of years ago started with these faulty clocks causing considerable problems.

This fault however only applies to the original DGT XL which were recalled and
presumably NZ returned the faulty ones at that time to DGT Netherlands.

Peter Parr IO, IA.
Thanks for the info.

I'm not sure which batch these DGT XL clocks belong to. Neither am I familiar with the supply arrangements in NZ.

What I've noticed is that these DGT XL clocks tend to work themselves loose. They tend to rattle apart when in service over a long time. Once loose, they tend to reset themselves when a player presses the clock. The clock resets to the original power on state. My guess is that a player pressing the clock somehow causes the clock to twist in such a way that it switches itself off and then on.
Tightening the screw right down the centre of the clock (that requires a slender philip head screwdriver) seems to do the trick.
There are however a few clocks that seem to have the self reset issue despite the 'tightening' procedure. :hmm:

peter_parr
29-09-2012, 09:47 AM
DGT Netherlands gave a full list of serial numbers of the original faulty DGT XL clocks which suppliers were required to return to the Netherlands.

Some time later maybe you can check with your supplier or with DGT.

Keong Ang
29-09-2012, 11:16 AM
Live Masters tournament games available on:
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/tfd.htm

Round 1 games start 2pm 29th September 2012 NZST (+12GMT)

Keong Ang
29-09-2012, 05:08 PM
Masters tournament games PGN available in:
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/GTMasters2012/

GinoTHEstud
29-09-2012, 05:08 PM
Could you post the games on here, so we can play through them. Like they were done during the Olympiad.

would be great.

Keong Ang
29-09-2012, 05:25 PM
Vega generated tournament info available for the duration of the tournament on the following links.

Masters:
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/wwwTrundleMasters/

Qualifiers:
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/wwwTrundleQualifiers/

Keong Ang
29-09-2012, 05:29 PM
Could you post the games on here, so we can play through them. Like they were done during the Olympiad.

would be great.
Don't want to flood this thread with pages of games.
Would be easier to download the games PGN.

Off to get the tournament hall ready for tomorrow.
Remember, daylight savings starts!!!

GinoTHEstud
29-09-2012, 05:32 PM
what is the link to the pgn file?

Genrad
29-09-2012, 06:25 PM
what is the link to the pgn file?


I just found a "Download games" pgn link at :

http://newzealandchess.co.nz/results.html

With all the round 1 games :)

Keong Ang
30-09-2012, 11:18 AM
.....aaand right on cue, when the arbiter announces the start, the neighbours start mowing their lawn! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Keong Ang
30-09-2012, 12:11 PM
I have calculated that all players in the Masters tournament who does not already have an IM or above title would need to score at least 6.5points out of 9 to earn an IM norm.
Hope this is correct. :hmm:

Tony Dowden
30-09-2012, 02:26 PM
I agree, he owned McLaren ...

Dunno if I agree, as Leonard made a huge miscalculation early on and it was basically all over before it started.

:hmm: In my view Thorben played solid and sensible chess throughout the North Shore event. This seems to work especially well in NZ as we are often prone to playing the person rather than the position.

Qbert
30-09-2012, 02:44 PM
Dunno if I agree, as Leonard made a huge miscalculation early on and it was basically all over before it started.

:hmm: In my view Thorben played solid and sensible chess throughout the North Shore event. This seems to work especially well in NZ as we are often prone to playing the person rather than the position.

He's also quite well versed in endings - but none of his opponents in the NS Open lasted that long!:)
As the only Otago club member playing, I hope he does well in the Trundle - he picked up 35 rating points in the NS Open.

Keong Ang
30-09-2012, 04:23 PM
Masters games PGN as recorded by the DGT eboards are available for download from
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/GTMasters2012/DGTpgn/

Qualifiers games would be available in
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/GTMasters2012/
Contents would be changed whenever more appropriate files are done.

CivicChessMan
02-10-2012, 06:13 PM
After 4 rounds, Ben Hague has a perfect score and leads the Masters tournament by a point from Gary Lane. Luke Li is a further half a point back in third. Hague is definitely within striking range of an IM norm.

It's a lot closer in the qualifiers with three players on 2.5: Hans Gao, Thorben Koop and Gino Thornton with another five players on 2.

Adamski
03-10-2012, 12:15 AM
After 4 rounds, Ben Hague has a perfect score and leads the Masters tournament by a point from Gary Lane. Luke Li is a further half a point back in third. Hague is definitely within striking range of an IM norm.

It's a lot closer in the qualifiers with three players on 2.5: Hans Gao, Thorben Koop and Gino Thornton with another five players on 2.
Nice efficient win by IM Gary Lane against Bruce Watson in Round 4.

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2012, 04:54 PM
Tricky rook ending Hague - Johansen. Suggestions and corrections welcome but it looks like black may have missed two wins here, and the strange thing about the position at one point is that going for taking the opponent's pawns is the wrong thing for both players to do and what really matters is king position.

1...Rd3+ 2.Kf2 c3 3.h4 h5 4.f5 Kg7 5.fxg6 fxg6 6.Rc6 Kf7 7.Kg2? [7.Rb6 Rd2+ 8.Ke3] 7...Rd2+? [7...Ke7 8.Kf2 (8.Rxg6) 8...Kd7 appears to win] 8.Kf3 c2 9.Ke3 Rh2 10.Kf4 Ke7 11.Kg5? [11.Ke4 appears correct.] 11...Kd7 12.Rc4 Rg2? [12...Kd6 13.Kxg6 Kd5 14.Rc3 Re2 15.Kxh5 Kd4 16.Rxc2 Rxc2 is a win for black] 13.Kxg6 [13.Kf4 appears to hold] 13...Rxg3+ [13...Kd6 is a better try but no longer wins eg 14.Kxh5 Re2 15.Kg6! Kd5 16.Rc3 Re6+ 17.Kg7 Rc6 18.Rxc2 Rxc2 19.h5 is a tablebase draw.] 14.Kxh5 Rg2 15.Kh6 Re2 16.h5 Re6+ 17.Kg7 Rc6 18.Rxc2 Rxc2 19.h6 Ke6 20.h7 Rc7+ A queen would win here but a rook can only draw. 21.Kg8 Rc8+ 22.Kg7 Rh8 Cute 23.Kxh8 Kf7 -

Adamski
03-10-2012, 09:45 PM
Gary won a 16 mover v the Singaporean and now threatens Ben Hague's lead.

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2012, 10:01 PM
Yes, that was just a one-move blunder by his opponent, albeit in a not very promising position so far as having the white pieces go. There were many ways of preventing that sac which was a very obvious threat.

CivicChessMan
04-10-2012, 04:21 PM
Gary Lane won quickly against Tim Reilly while Ben Hague drew with Bob Smith and they now share the lead with 5 from 6. Luke Li is alone in third on 4 with Darryl Johansen next on 3.5. Hague needs 1.5 from the last three rounds to achieve the IM norm.

ChrisBurns
04-10-2012, 04:24 PM
Another 16 move win again today for Lane, today's combo simple to see too.

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2012, 05:10 PM
Another 16 move win again today for Lane, today's combo simple to see too.

Even simpler than yesterday's, another total blunder. Christmas is coming early for Gary; his opponents are giving him presents! That said I think he played well in both games up to the point where the blunders occurred.

Capablanca-Fan
05-10-2012, 01:59 AM
Even simpler than yesterday's, another total blunder. Christmas is coming early for Gary; his opponents are giving him presents! That said I think he played well in both games up to the point where the blunders occurred.
Yes, I think he had a clear advantage against Reilly (good B, better Ps), and maybe a slight disadvantage in the other if the opp had stopped ... Bxg3 (more space, misplaced enemy R).

Sutek
05-10-2012, 09:02 AM
Tricky rook ending Hague - Johansen. Suggestions and corrections welcome but it looks like black may have missed two wins here, and the strange thing about the position at one point is that going for taking the opponent's pawns is the wrong thing for both players to do and what really matters is king position.

1...Rd3+ 2.Kf2 c3 3.h4 h5 4.f5 Kg7 5.fxg6 fxg6 6.Rc6 Kf7 7.Kg2? [7.Rb6 Rd2+ 8.Ke3] 7...Rd2+? [7...Ke7 8.Kf2 (8.Rxg6) 8...Kd7 appears to win] 8.Kf3 c2 9.Ke3 Rh2 10.Kf4 Ke7 11.Kg5? [11.Ke4 appears correct.] 11...Kd7 12.Rc4 Rg2? [12...Kd6 13.Kxg6 Kd5 14.Rc3 Re2 15.Kxh5 Kd4 16.Rxc2 Rxc2 is a win for black] 13.Kxg6 [13.Kf4 appears to hold] 13...Rxg3+ [13...Kd6 is a better try but no longer wins eg 14.Kxh5 Re2 15.Kg6! Kd5 16.Rc3 Re6+ 17.Kg7 Rc6 18.Rxc2 Rxc2 19.h5 is a tablebase draw.] 14.Kxh5 Rg2 15.Kh6 Re2 16.h5 Re6+ 17.Kg7 Rc6 18.Rxc2 Rxc2 19.h6 Ke6 20.h7 Rc7+ A queen would win here but a rook can only draw. 21.Kg8 Rc8+ 22.Kg7 Rh8 Cute 23.Kxh8 Kf7 -

The line you give after 13..Kd6 14.Kxh5 Re2 15.Kg6 black doesn’t play Kd5? but Re6+! and wins because of the trick of getting back to the c-file with check.

But instead of 13…Rxg3+ (move played) or 13…Kd6 best is…

13...Re2! (not a easy one to spot) this wins as far as I can see because of once again the trick of getting the rook to the c-file with check and saving time.

fex. 13....Re2! 14.Kxh5 Kd6! 15.Kg6 Re6+! this is a neat trick and the same position as in the 13…Kd6 line.

16.Kg7 (or 16.Kg5 Re5+) 16...Re7+ 17.Kf6 Rc7 and black can catch the pawns.
In fact the tablebase says mate in 29.

Kevin Bonham
05-10-2012, 05:25 PM
Thanks Sutek. So that's a third won position then in that one.

Piece sac never looked on in Hague - Lane.

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 e6 6.e4 Bb4 7.Qc2 b5 8.Be2 Bb7 9.0-0 a6 10.Bg5 Nbd7 11.Ne5 [11.e5!? eg 11...h6 12.exf6 hxg5 13.fxg7 Rg8 14.Qh7 Nf6 15.Qh6 looks promising] 11...Qb6 12.Rad1 0-0 13.f4 c5 14.d5 Bxc3 15.bxc3 exd5 16.exd5 Qd6 17.Rf3 h6 18.Bxh6 gxh6 19.Qf5 Bc8 20.Rg3+ Kh8 21.Qh3 Kh7 22.Qf5+ Kh8 23.Qh3 Ne4 24.Ng6+ Kg7 [24...Kh7 is stronger eg 25.Nxf8+ Nxf8] 25.Nxf8+ Nxg3 26.Qxg3+ [26.Ne6+! fxe6 27.Qxg3+ Kh8 (27...Kh7 28.dxe6 Qxe6 29.Re1 Qd6 30.Bf3 Rb8=) 28.dxe6 Qxe6 29.Bg4 Qf7 and white has serious compensation for the piece. In the game he has none.] 26...Kxf8 27.Qh4 Bb7 28.Bg4 Qf6 29.Qh5 Rd8 30.d6 b4 31.Bxd7 Rxd7 32.Qxc5 Qg6 33.Rd2 bxc3 34.Re2 Qxd6 0-1

Capablanca-Fan
06-10-2012, 12:43 AM
Piece sac never looked on in Hague - Lane.
Still looked sounder than the one you got away with against Fritz 11 (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=344606#post344606) ;)

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 e6 6.e4 Bb4 7.Qc2 b5 8.Be2 Bb7 9.0-0 a6 10.Bg5 Nbd7 11.Ne5 [11.e5!? eg 11...h6 12.exf6 hxg5 13.fxg7 Rg8 14.Qh7 Nf6 15.Qh6 looks promising] 11...Qb6 12.Rad1 0-0 13.f4 c5 14.d5 Bxc3 15.bxc3 exd5 16.exd5 Qd6 17.Rf3 h6 18.Bxh6 gxh6 19.Qf5 Bc8 20.Rg3+ Kh8 21.Qh3 Kh7 22.Qf5+ Kh8 23.Qh3 Ne4 24.Ng6+ Kg7 [24...Kh7 is stronger eg 25.Nxf8+ Nxf8] 25.Nxf8+ Nxg3 26.Qxg3+ [26.Ne6+! fxe6 27.Qxg3+ Kh8 (27...Kh7 28.dxe6 Qxe6 29.Re1 Qd6 30.Bf3 Rb8=) 28.dxe6 Qxe6 29.Bg4 Qf7 and white has serious compensation for the piece. In the game he has none.] 26...Kxf8 27.Qh4 Bb7 28.Bg4 Qf6 29.Qh5 Rd8 30.d6 b4 31.Bxd7 Rxd7 32.Qxc5 Qg6 33.Rd2 bxc3 34.Re2 Qxd6 0-1

Kevin Bonham
06-10-2012, 01:33 AM
Still looked sounder than the one you got away with against Fritz 11 (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=344606#post344606) ;)

I'll post some comments about that on the thread because it that one is actually objectively sound.

Gary's ...Bc8 was a nice refutation in the Hague game, but I don't think it was even the only one. Maybe the sac was worth a go because otherwise white was just worse anyway, but black had lots of defensive resources and white's attack was pretty slow.

Adamski
06-10-2012, 02:53 PM
Keep it up, Gary! Great stuff!

CivicChessMan
06-10-2012, 05:50 PM
Ben Hague got the result he was looking for against Mike Steadman and now needs just a draw against Luke Li in the final round to get his IM norm. Gary Lane drew with Darryl Johansen and is half a point ahead of Hague on 6.5. Lane plays Bob Smith in the final round. In third place are Johansen, Chan Peng Kong and Li on 4.5 points.

Gino Thornton grabbed the outright lead in the Qualifiers with a win over Hilton Bennett. His round 7 co-leaders Korben Toop and John Duneas drew their encounter. Thornton has 5.5 points, Toop and Duneas 5 with Hans Gao on 4.5. Gao is Thornton's opponent in the final round, Toop plays Dordevic and Duneas plays Pinic.

Mr Buss
06-10-2012, 06:09 PM
Im hoping to see a quick draw tomorrow when Ben plays Luke allowing Ben to get his norm

It would be a good time for Bob Smith to get his first win of the tournament tomorrow against Lane :) , but I'm predicting that one to be a draw shortly after Hague and Li shake hands.

I would imagine Hans Gao will be going all out to win seeing as he is a full point behind the lead. Hans is a dangerous opponent but Gino is playing well.
Come on Gino you can do it!

peter_parr
06-10-2012, 06:40 PM
players at all times should compete to the best of their ability

ChrisBurns
07-10-2012, 05:23 AM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if prize money is on offer for either the Masters or Qualifiers events? I suppose it will be an incentive for players to play their best.

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 08:02 AM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if prize money is on offer for either the Masters or Qualifiers events? I suppose it will be an incentive for players to play their best.
Yes, prize money is available for both events.
Divided equally for ties.

However Qualifiers spot for next year's Masters would be tie broken by S-B, then Koya then Most Wins as the tournament standings and info updated on the website stated from the beginning.

Now, I've got to start the final round.

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 08:08 AM
.....aaaand Ben's earned his IM norm.
:cool: :whistle:

CivicChessMan
07-10-2012, 08:37 AM
Two quick draws, Hague and Li in 3 moves, Lane and Smith in 5 moves. Obviously, no Queenstown Classic rules applying here.

Short Draws on top 10 boards: For games on any of the top 10 boards each day, agreed draws under 30 moves are banned. This ban includes tacit advance agreements to draw (i.e. deliberate repetitions) and pre-arranged draw agreements. The aim of this rule is to encourage a competitive, fighting tournament, and we trust all players will adhere to this in a sportsmanlike manner. Genuine draws by repetition are allowed.

Qbert
07-10-2012, 08:52 AM
.....aaaand Ben's earned his IM norm.
:cool: :whistle:
Congratulation Ben!:clap: :clap: :clap:
Congratulations Gary! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mr Buss
07-10-2012, 10:28 AM
Any updates on the qualifier games?

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 10:33 AM
Any updates on the qualifier games?
Boards 1 & 2 still going.

Qualifier Results so far:

Duneas - Pinic, 1-0
Dordevic - Koop, 1-0
King - Goodhue, 1F-0F (forfeit)

Mr Buss
07-10-2012, 10:36 AM
Thanks Keong

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 10:46 AM
Two quick draws, Hague and Li in 3 moves, Lane and Smith in 5 moves. Obviously, no Queenstown Classic rules applying here.

Short Draws on top 10 boards: For games on any of the top 10 boards each day, agreed draws under 30 moves are banned. This ban includes tacit advance agreements to draw (i.e. deliberate repetitions) and pre-arranged draw agreements. The aim of this rule is to encourage a competitive, fighting tournament, and we trust all players will adhere to this in a sportsmanlike manner. Genuine draws by repetition are allowed.
With hindsight, I should have put the top 2 Qualifiers boards on the eboards for broadcast. :hmm:
Much better use of resources. ;)

Short draws may be a downside from the spectator's point of view. But my opinion is somewhat biased in favour of short draws after experiencing numerous times of having to wait for ages just for the last game to end in a draw. :doh: :lol:

Craig_Hall
07-10-2012, 10:52 AM
Not to mention the "joy" of entering such games manually into a PGN...

Tony Dowden
07-10-2012, 11:01 AM
.....aaaand Ben's earned his IM norm.
:cool: :whistle:

Congrats Ben :)

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 11:15 AM
Qualifiers:
Perry - Bennett, 1-0

peter_parr
07-10-2012, 11:20 AM
When I was chief arbiter of the Sydney International in 1979 at my Chess Centre in the Sydney CBD a similar situation arose before the last round.

Ian Rogers needed a draw in the last round for his second IM norm. His opponent was the highly respected gentleman of Australian Chess IM Cecil Purdy the first World Correspondence Champion.

Purdy was elderly and in poor form - Rogers was 19 - young and in excellent form and having just scored his first IM norm in Brisbane.

Purdy made it very clear after the game that in his view it would be absolutely wrong to offer an early draw and give his opponent an IM norm without a fight.

Purdy played well and achieved a winning position. Rogers fought like a tiger and a gripping final round game saw Rogers winning the encounter. This was a fitting finish to a hard fought tournament.

I was proud of Purdy for his correct fighting spirit and pleased that Rogers had to fight for his norm.

A 3 move or 5 move draw would have been a bitter disappointment to me as arbiter.

Adamski
07-10-2012, 11:58 AM
:clap:
Congratulation Ben!:clap: :clap: :clap:
Congratulations Gary! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Ditto to both! Great to see Gary win a tournament again!

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 11:58 AM
All games over and results updated.

Masters:
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/wwwTrundleMasters/

Qualifiers:
http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/wwwTrundleQualifiers/

Eventually all info would be on:
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/results.html

Adamski
07-10-2012, 12:02 PM
Qualifiers:
Perry - Bennett, 1-0
Well done Roger. Any win against Hilton is a good win!

Keong Ang
07-10-2012, 05:21 PM
George Trundle Masters 2012 crosstable by standing


George Trundle New Zealand Masters
Auckland, NZL - 29/09/2012, 07/10/2012

Cross Table

Pos ID NAME Elo T Fed Pts | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
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1 1 Lane Gary W. 2391 IM AUS 7.0 | * 1 1 1 1 1
2 7 Hague Ben 2314 FM ENG 6.5 | 0 * 1 1 1 1 1
3 8 Johansen Darryl K. 2446 GM AUS 5.5 | * 1 1
4 3 Li Zuhao Luke 2249 -- NZL 5.0 | * 0 1 1
5 5 Chan Peng Kong 2245 IM SIN 5.0 | 0 0 1 * 1 1
6 9 Smith Robert W 2214 FM NZL 3.5 | * 0 0
7 6 Reilly Tim 2251 FM AUS 3.5 | 0 0 1 * 0
8 2 Steadman Michael 2200 FM NZL 3.5 | 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 * 1
9 4 Watson Bruce R 2300 FM NZL 3.0 | 0 0 0 *
10 10 Green Ewen M 2258 FM NZL 2.5 | 0 0 0 0 *

Remark:

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George Trundle Qualifiers 2012 crosstable by standing


George Trundle New Zealand Qualifiers
Auckland, NZL - 29/09/2012, 07/10/2012

Cross Table

Pos ID NAME Elo T Fed Pts | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
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1 5 Thornton Gino 2142 -- NZL 6.0 | * 1 0 1 1 1
2 7 Duneas John 2089 -- NZL 6.0 | 0 * 1 1 1 1
3 8 Dordevic Ivan 2085 -- NZL 5.0 | 1 * 0 1 1 0 0 1
4 10 Gao Hans 2017 -- NZL 5.0 | 0 1 * 1 0 1
5 2 Koop Thorben 2127 -- GER 5.0 | 0 0 * 1 1 1
6 9 King Mathew 1968 -- NZL 4.5 | 0 * +
7 6 Perry Roger 2007 -- NZL 4.5 | 0 0 0 * 1 1 1
8 4 Bennett Hilton 1959 -- NZL 3.5 | 0 1 1 0 * 0 0
9 3 Pinic Noel 2087 -- NZL 3.0 | 0 0 1 0 0 1 * 0
10 1 Goodhue Nathan 1990 -- NZL 2.5 | 0 0 0 0 - 0 1 1 *

Remark:
round 9: King Mathew - Goodhue Nathan = 1F-0F

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FA Keong Ang
Chief Arbiter

Tony Dowden
08-10-2012, 01:06 PM
When I was chief arbiter of the Sydney International in 1979 at my Chess Centre in the Sydney CBD a similar situation arose before the last round.

Ian Rogers needed a draw in the last round for his second IM norm. His opponent was the highly respected gentleman of Australian Chess IM Cecil Purdy the first World Correspondence Champion.

Purdy was elderly and in poor form - Rogers was 19 - young and in excellent form and having just scored his first IM norm in Brisbane.

Purdy made it very clear ...

... A 3 move or 5 move draw would have been a bitter disappointment to me as arbiter.

Is there a thread for disappointed arbiters? ;)

Capablanca-Fan
08-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Is there a thread for disappointed arbiters? ;)
Indeed, the players are not there to appoint [what is the opposite of disappoint?] arbiters, but to make the best result they can. So good on them for achieving a tournament win and IM norm, with both temporary and lasting benefits, and for fighting so hard in the rest of the tourney that short draws sufficed.

Desmond
08-10-2012, 02:57 PM
Indeed, the players are not there to appoint [what is the opposite of disappoint?] arbiters, but to make the best result they can. Really; I thought they were there to play.

Capablanca-Fan
08-10-2012, 03:17 PM
Really; I thought they were there to play.
But play for what? Prizes and norms are part of what they play for. As long as they don't cheat, how they achieve their scores is their business.

Max Illingworth
08-10-2012, 03:24 PM
But play for what?

Pleasure and love of the game.

Tony Dowden
08-10-2012, 07:57 PM
Indeed, the players are not there to appoint [... So good on them for achieving a tournament win and IM norm... and for fighting so hard in the rest of the tourney that short draws sufficed.

My point exactly. The hard work came before the last round in the instance; not uncommon in a round-robin.

Tony Dowden
08-10-2012, 07:58 PM
Pleasure and love of the game.

You are such a romantic Max! :lol:

Vlad
08-10-2012, 09:14 PM
You are such a romantic Max! :lol:

That is why he is an IM.:) Sorry Tony, Jono and Michael.:lol:

I do agree with a general idea of the Peter's post. By no means it is a critique against Garry and Ben. I would most likely do exactly the same if I was either getting a required IM norm or winning outright. However, what exactly a young promising Luke trying to achieve by taking a short draw in the last round? A few rating points. Would not he get a lot more respect if he instead played on, possibly lost but showed that he is the future of NZ chess? I have seen young Smerdon going against the odds, young George Xie, Andrew Brown, etc. Anyway, I must be too romantic like Max.:lol:

Mr Buss
09-10-2012, 07:23 AM
However, what exactly a young promising Luke trying to achieve by taking a short draw in the last round? A few rating points. Would not he get a lot more respect if he instead played on, possibly lost but showed that he is the future of NZ chess? I have seen young Smerdon going against the odds, young George Xie, Andrew Brown, etc. Anyway, I must be too romantic like Max.:lol:[/QUOTE]

Luke already has everyones respect,
and already has shown he is the future of NZ chess.
He had the George Trundle trophy wrapped up (as highest finishing New Zealander) , so had bugger all to gain to go all out for the win,
in the last round of a long hard tournament.. And achieve what even if he won the game? Deny his club mate an IM norm ..
That would not have even been romantic..just pointless

Tony Dowden
09-10-2012, 08:26 AM
That is why he is an IM.:) Sorry Tony, Jono and Michael.:lol:

I do agree with a general idea of the Peter's post. By no means it is a critique against Garry and Ben. I would most likely do exactly the same if I was either getting a required IM norm or winning outright. However, what exactly a young promising Luke trying to achieve by taking a short draw in the last round? A few rating points. Would not he get a lot more respect if he instead played on, possibly lost but showed that he is the future of NZ chess? I have seen young Smerdon going against the odds, young George Xie, Andrew Brown, etc. Anyway, I must be too romantic like Max.:lol:

You have a point about Luke but perhaps he was showing too much respect or felt it wan't his time.

Good, you seem to be tacitly agreeing with Ben's short draw strategy. Peter and other pundits might also note we've seen similar short draw strategies towards the end of a number of Australian round-robin masters' events :rolleyes:

You a romantic?! No, in my view you are more technical/pragmatist. But Max is the real deal.

Vlad
09-10-2012, 12:49 PM
You a romantic?! No, in my view you are more technical/pragmatist. But Max is the real deal.

I presume you got this image mostly from recent times - usually too busy looking after others, hard to be romantic in your game, quite often the main goal is to survive. Like say the-8-move draw againt Greg Canfell in the last Australian open almost 2 years ago; I had to deliver a 3 hour lecture that day. Not much fun going to teach completely dead, especially given that I achieved the required norm by then.

Anyway, just a try to change your impression.:)

http://www.chess.com/games/view?id=985641
and
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1602929

Tony Dowden
09-10-2012, 05:09 PM
... Anyway, just a try to change your impression.:)



Nice games Vlad, I'm suitably impressed upon ;)

Capablanca-Fan
11-10-2012, 06:48 AM
Pleasure and love of the game.
Pleasure and love can't be forced. And could anyone say that David Bronstein lacked either, although he defended the occasional short draw.